R.O.F Question

Leftyflip

Hi guys,
I was just wondering, would a high speed gear set do the same thing as a high speed motor?
Asking it becuase I installed a stronger spring and R.O.F has gone wayyy down.
Thanks!

Masada

It shouldn't be a dramatic drop but you will usually see a slight slow down. Hispeed gears wouldnt necessarily be the first thing to do though, Id shim it and slap in some bearings.
What sort of gun is it?

Firekitten

As Richie's said, A good shim job can make a huge difference... Had to reshim someone's Aug recently... poor job made it quite lethargic... Fixing that gave it 5rps more atleast. Also a good greasing goes a long way, but again, conversely, not too much...

High speed gears generally are gears designed for going at high speed, not that they themselevs will 'increase' the RPS much alone. A highspeed motor like the guarder m120 will do nicely. Although it depends what your rof is now... and on what battery... A lower rate of fire is somethimes a good thing.

Leftyflip

I just reshimmed it now, so there is no wobble in the gears, I'm getting new bushings next week, so I'll see what its like then, I don't want a crazy rate of fire, just want it up a little.
Thanks for that!

Masada

What kinda gun is it G?

Any chance it could be the motor alignment issue?

Leftyflip

Masada wrote: »

What kinda gun is it G?

Any chance it could be the motor alignment issue?

It's a Dboys M4, I don't think so, its in nice and level, I might need to tune it a bit. I'll mess aorund with it anyway and see what's what.

@Firekitten: I'm not sure how many rps I was getting before, but I'm definitely getting less now. I'm using an 8.4V. It doesn't bother me I was just curious.

Firekitten

Good idea, best places to start Imo... you can generally tweak a few out by making it as economical as possible. Also the best place to start before going down the high speed zoomy motor route.

Do you know what size bushings your gearbox takes?

Masada

Feel free to drop it into me and i'll see if i can make it run any better man,

If its all fine you could go the G&P M120 route, lovely motors, you'll see a huge difference.

Leftyflip

Masada wrote: »

Feel free to drop it into me and i'll see if i can make it run any better man,

If its all fine you could go the G&P M120 route, lovely motors, you'll see a huge difference.

Ah it's alright, it's my birthday soon so I'm gonna upgrade the sh*t out of the gearbox, if it doesn't run right then, I'll bring it in to you :P

Firekitten

I'd be fitting a guarder if he went down that route... the g&p m120 (both make an m120 yes) is a little more prone to locking up its shaft.

Masada

lol, no bother man,

Leftyflip

Firekitten wrote: »

Do you know what size bushings your gearbox takes?

7mm one's I believe.

Masada

Firekitten wrote: »

I'd be fitting a guarder if he went down that route... the g&p m120 (both make an m120 yes) is a little more prone to locking up its shaft.

Not in any of my rifles it isnt. And thats quite a lot.

Firekitten

Lefty: http://www.fire-support.co.uk/product-info.php?id=2690 <- very nice tbh.. i use them in several, much nicer than systemas or promys

Masada: I've had 6 come past me that locked up, required the shaft twisting with pliers to unstick, but acted as if the anti reversal was locked with the motor out of the gun... Perhaps a bad batch, But I've seen less trouble fro the guarder version of the same motor, especially as they were the original makers of it.

Leftyflip

Firekitten wrote: »

Lefty: http://www.fire-support.co.uk/product-info.php?id=2690 <- very nice tbh.. i use them in several, much nicer than systemas or promys

Thanks for that!

Masada

Firekitten wrote: »

Masada: I've had 6 come past me that locked up, required the shaft twisting with pliers to unstick, but acted as if the anti reversal was locked with the motor out of the gun... Perhaps a bad batch, But I've seen less trouble fro the guarder version of the same motor, especially as they were the original makers of it.

Theres 2 main reasons that could happen to a motor, I have never seen it with all of mine so it might suggest a problem with the ones you saw.

1st, is a bent motor shaft, again something ive never seen with one but this causes some systema motors to bind.

2nd, is a collapsed bearing on the motor shaft, this leaves small metal filings and pieces in the motor that cause it to bind.

If i saw this on a gun, as i have with a number of VFC Scars and 416s, i would change the motor. unjamming it with a pliers is simply putting it off until it binds again.,:)

Firekitten

Havent had one back yet... Though I can see your point there...
I think its most likely an odd batch.