(GAMING) It's Finally Out - Bow To The King

Solitaire

Yep, the GTX285 finally got whipped. Very, very badly. Then again the HD5870 is about as powerful as a HD4870X2 (drivers and possibly memory bus holding it back a bit; should be faster actually!) Power consumption should be about the same as outgoing cards. In theory. X-Bit wasn't satisfied with the usual tests (in which the HD5870 clocked 100W, but this is believed to be erroneously low) as they don't think the HD5870 was very well utilized. FurMark puts it around 160W, but this is believed to be erroneously high even for a test known to be a worse-than-worse-case-scenario monkey (eh, Linpack? )

Sadly it looks like that until nVidia counter-attacks, gaming-grade 40nm AMD cards are going to carry one heck of a price premium - the HD5870 is shaping up to be about as expensive as the outgoing HD4870X2. Sadly, it also looks like the HD5850 is going to be about as expensive as a cheap GTX285 for a while, but given that it may not be that much faster I'm hoping it'll come down a fair bit in price when stock levels improve. Still no HD5850 reviews though! :mad:

kaimera

It didnt beat the 295?

and the x2 was pretty equal from the review I read (single review, didn't get time to read more today) but then you can't seem to buy it many places so irrelevant I guess.

AMD was shooting to beat the GTX 295 with the 5870, but in our benchmarks that’s not happening. The 295 and the 5870 are close, perhaps close enough that NVIDIA will need to reconsider their position, but it’s not enough to outright dethrone the GTX 295. NVIDIA still has the faster single-card solution, although the $100 price premium is well in excess of the <10% performance premium.

Solitaire

HD5870 = HD4890X2 (unreleased) > HD4870X2. AMD has a habit of poor performance on early drivers, and in most reviews they were actually using beta drivers so the bulk of the explanation lies there methinks Same with OC - saw this with the HD4850 last time around too. 10-15MHz max increase at the beginning of the run and (in the HD4850s case at least) 100MHz+ possible OC once the drivers matured

Also, I noticed improved SLI scaling a lot in the benches. nVidia had been attacking those issues with driver updates a fair bit lately so the GTX295 is leaner and meaner than before with both matured SLI and matured drivers. Bit of an uphill struggle for the HD5870 to gun for that while still beta!

game4it70

Have you seen Komplett pricing of them compared to Ocuk?
Wtf is all i can say.

http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=498317 :eek::eek:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-214-SP

meepins

game4it70 wrote: »

Have you seen Komplett pricing of them compared to Ocuk?
Wtf is all i can say.

http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=498317 :eek::eek:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-214-SP

Komplett price gouging?! shocked

Solitaire

Fail Of The Week!

Kirby

I noticed that myself. Couldn't believe it when I saw it. I think my exact words aloud were "Gouging scumbags!"

I can't see them selling many at that price. Only the uninformed are going to pay that.

cherryghost

you whore!

and 40 mins before your thread too

PogMoThoin

Now if they'd only start appearing at some decent prices, can't shop on OCUK, they're registered for Vat here. They're for pre order on Scan.co.uk, but priced too high

anyone wanna buy a 4870X2?

kaimera

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Now if they'd only start appearing at some decent prices, can't shop on OCUK, they're registered for Vat here. They're for pre order on Scan.co.uk, but priced too high

anyone wanna buy a 4870X2?

I might actually!

cherryghost

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Now if they'd only start appearing at some decent prices, can't shop on OCUK, they're registered for Vat here. They're for pre order on Scan.co.uk, but priced too high

anyone wanna buy a 4870X2?

i will if the price is right

jonny72

One particular 5850 is listed at 222 euros on hws.

From the benches on techpowerup it seems to beat the more expensive GTX 285.

DX11 and underperforming to boot..

Seems v good to me might get one.

Hasuki

I asked them is it was an error they said no.

What asses. Elara have them up for €345. Cheapest I found was LambaTek for £278.

Griffin87

Ebuyer and Novatech should have them in stock tommorow.


http://www.ebuyer.com/search?store [...] ubcat=2999

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech [...] 800Series/

Griffin87

Hasuki wrote: »

I asked them is it was an error they said no.

What asses. Elara have them up for €345. Cheapest I found was LambaTek for £278.

thats a good price. i have never bought from them before, anyone know the delviery charge to ireland ?

Hasuki

15-20

Usually get it next day though. they are the best store I used, great customer service also.

Blazer

I ordered from dabs.ie the last time..
Might take a few days to arrive but they're cheaper than komplett...
Remember I bought my 4870X2 for €424 on there at launch day.
About €150 cheaper than those gougers on OC and Komplett.


http://www.dabs.ie/products/sapphire-technology-ati-radeon-5870-hd-1gb-ddr5-pci-express-dvi-661N.html?q=5870

5870 going for €347 this time around.

kaimera

The 5850 equates to what then?

Griffin87

i think im going to wait till nvidia brings out there new cards before i buy.

uberpixie

Griffin87 wrote: »

i think im going to wait till nvidia brings out there new cards before i buy.

Prices will have come down a little then for the ATI stuff and they will no doubt have launched their 5870x2 to counter what ever Nvidia brings out.

You still on a 8800GTS 640mb?

Solitaire

When are nVidia releasing the G300? Should kick off a nice little price war if they can stay in contention otherwise the HD5000 are a wee bit pricey right now IMHO...

Farcear

For those of us who don't have 6 spare screens lying around to take advantage of eyefinity ( http://media.bestofmicro.com/C/Z/223379/original/ATI-Eyefinity-3x2-Codemasters-GRID.jpg ) and with no DX11 titles coming out for a while, I can't see how anyone could reasonably justify the price tag on the 5870 at the moment:, there doesn't seem to be any real point to getting a 5870 at the moment.

As for the Komplett pricing... wow... just wow...

(Though, to be fair, they probably only need to sell 1 to make up for about 10 other lost sales!)

Solitaire

The only reason is so you can invest in a single-GPU card that, with mature drivers, can whip a GTX295's ass :P

The HD5850 is a lot more down-to-earth; its darn pricey but still a very good option for those mulling over the classic mid-high-end question: One HD4890 or two?

EDIT: Its begun; HWVS has dropped the Club HD5850 down from la-la-land to under the €210 mark

Solitaire

Okay, I'm digressing a bit, but... something that may interest some of you. techPowerUp did an oddball HD5870 review, with reference to PCIe lane width. The results may surprise some of you Full article here.

StopNotWorking

That's no suprise to me, I dont think people really understand how powerful the PCI-E 2.0 socket is. Loads of my friends were saying the P55 chipset is useless because they didn't up the NB to support two x16 lanes. I couldn't believe them :eek:

Rezident

Solitaire wrote: »

When are nVidia releasing the G300? Should kick off a nice little price war if they can stay in contention otherwise the HD5000 are a wee bit pricey right now IMHO...

Rumours are it's badly delayed due to very low yields.

Griffin87

uberpixie wrote: »

Prices will have come down a little then for the ATI stuff and they will no doubt have launched their 5870x2 to counter what ever Nvidia brings out.

You still on a 8800GTS 640mb?

No have a HD4870 1gb, put the 8800 in my mothers pc didnt bother to sell it. My brother said he would by the the card i have now so when the prices drop it should be a cheap enough upgrade.

kaimera

5850 reviews

http://hothardware.com/Articles/AMD-ATI-Radeon-HD-5850-Performance-Review/

http://techreport.com/articles.x/17652

the Radeon HD 5850 performed right on par with or just ahead of the GeForce GTX 285. The Radeon HD 5850 was also significantly faster than the Radeon HD 4890, but it trailed the more powerful and more expensive cards, like the Radeon HD 4870 X2, GeForce GTX 295, and of course the Radeon HD 5870.

Venom

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5850-review-crossfire/1

Guru3D's review with 5850 both single and crossfire

Time to upgrade my 8800GT I reckon lol.

cherryghost

yes right now the 5850 definately looks like amazing value for the price! will be considering it

Effluo

WOW
Better than a 285 and around 70 euro cheaper!!!!

WOW

Did you see the amount guru3d overclocked that too!!! And that's with it's new drivers....

Venom

5850 €347 on Komplett.ie :eek:

WTF they turning into a brick and mortar store !

Peats are selling the 5850 for €239 and the 5870 for €349.

Solitaire

Venom, read the first page of this article - I posted a little image from Komplett...

Peats have always had "good days" when they decided to be pretty frickin' competitive. Guess this is one of those days - those are very good prices for bricks-and-mortar

That RivaTuner beta points the finger at a botched CCC beta for the OC issues, just as I'd predicted... Deffo getting a HD5850 for my new build...

Oh, and to cap it off: DX11. Something that could easily make CUDA obsolete, given that Microsoft is effectively endorsing and pushing GPGPU regardless of hardware vendor, and due to that programmers will look to that rather than isolate 60%+ of the audience with ATi or Intel solutions... maybe the reason the G300 is delayed is because those anti-competitive twats in nVidia are still crying into their beer? :P

Venom

Solitaire wrote: »

Venom, read the first page of this article - I posted a little image from Komplett...

Peats have always had "good days" when they decided to be pretty frickin' competitive. Guess this is one of those days - those are very good prices for bricks-and-mortar

That RivaTuner beta points the finger at a botched CCC beta for the OC issues, just as I'd predicted... Deffo getting a HD5850 for my new build...

Oh, and to cap it off: DX11. Something that could easily make CUDA obsolete, given that Microsoft is effectively endorsing and pushing GPGPU regardless of hardware vendor, and due to that programmers will look to that rather than isolate 60%+ of the audience with ATi or Intel solutions... maybe the reason the G300 is delayed is because those anti-competitive twats in nVidia are still crying into their beer? :P

Yeah I saw the price of the 5870 you posted but Komplett have always been pretty good on prices so was kinda shocked to see Peats of all places being so much cheeper than them. gonna be interesting to see what ATI can do driver wise as being a Nvidia user for years Iv always though that ATI drivers were never the best.

Solitaire

Venom wrote: »

gonna be interesting to see what ATI can do driver wise as being a Nvidia user for years Iv always though that ATI drivers were never the best.

Where've you been for the last few years? :P Dodgy drivers were the catalyst (sic) that made me jump from nVidia to ATi

Venom

Solitaire wrote: »

Where've you been for the last few years? :P Dodgy drivers were the catalyst (sic) that made me jump from nVidia to ATi

Iv been in 8800GT land where its hard to justify a upgrade when the card is just so good.

Hasuki

Really impressed with ATI at the moment. Great cards and even better prices, and Komplett.ie, LOL

Hasuki

ASUS HD5870 is €568 on komplett.ie:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Shop around and you could get 2 of em for about €680

Blazer

Disgraceful pricing by komplett...actually has any1 dropped into the komplett forums here on boards to let them know?

actually it is

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055690760&page=2

Solitaire

Usually I'd be on Bob's side but the excuses are so hilariously flimsy I can't stick up for them at all this time. Guesstimate?! Even AMD was putting up official RRPs long before Komplett received stock...