The ultimate sleeper

VolvoMan · 23-09-2009 8:21pm #1

I've just spotted this on carzone recently and was fooled by it for a minute: http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volvo/S60/2.4-T-LE/200938195258627/advert?channel=CARS

After checking it out on mywheels it appears that it is a T5. The first owner obviously specified it with the intention of it being a sleeper, as it is de-badged and is in quite a subtle colour too.

Is it possible I wonder to get a car any more subtle that has 260bhp and tops out at 150mph+?

ytareh · 23-09-2009 8:25pm

Sleeper?I nearly fell asleep looking at it anyway ...I can only imagine the shock on the boy racers faces...Mad!I wonder does it handle though?

galwaytt · 23-09-2009 8:28pm

...pity it's manual.

VolvoMan · 23-09-2009 8:56pm

ytareh wrote: »

I wonder does it handle though?

I'd say handling is more safe than entertaining.

unkel · 23-09-2009 9:13pm

And pity it's not her sisteR

The T is just about fast enough to upset a hot hatch, but ultimate sleeper and FWD don't really go together, do they?

.Longshanks. · 23-09-2009 9:21pm

unkel wrote: »

And pity it's not her sisteR

The T is just about fast enough to upset a hot hatch, but ultimate sleeper and FWD don't really go together, do they?

I'd agree. I had one pull up beside me on the motorway last week. Same as the one linked above but it was a '06 model. I was in cruise control at 130kmph the some young lad pulled level with me and beeped the horn and gestured for a race.
I smiled and let him at it. He took off and my feet never even touched the pedals :rolleyes:
They are definitely quick, but i know my own car won't set the world on fire when already cruising at that type of speed. It must have been the fathers car cos its an old mans car as well as a sleeper

Beta Ray Bill · 23-09-2009 9:31pm

VolvoMan wrote: »

I've just spotted this on carzone recently and was fooled by it for a minute: http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volvo/S60/2.4-T-LE/200938195258627/advert?channel=CARS

After checking it out on mywheels it appears that it is a T5. The first owner obviously specified it with the intention of it being a sleeper, as it is de-badged and is in quite a subtle colour too.

Is it possible I wonder to get a car any more subtle that has 260bhp and tops out at 150mph+?

not really as "Plain Jane" as the Swede

but a sleeper none the less:
Vauxhall Vectra VXR
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squod · 23-09-2009 9:36pm

It's front wheel drive, rightly selling it before he ends up upside-down in a hedge.

Beta Ray Bill · 23-09-2009 9:37pm

squod wrote: »

It's front wheel drive, rightly selling it before he ends up upside-down in a hedge.

.... sideways!

VolvoMan · 23-09-2009 9:45pm

grahambo wrote: »

not really as "Plain Jane" as the Swede

but a sleeper none the less:
Vauxhall Vectra VXR

In the T5's defense, it is not an out and out performance car like an M3 or Audi S4 and isn't meant to look like one. Think of it as more of a rival to a top of the line 3 Series than anything else.

I've been in one before by the way and they are bloody quick!

tossy · 23-09-2009 10:01pm

The perfomance of the R over the T isn't that great when you add everything up,the R has around 35bhp more and weighs over 200kgs more so only hits 60 slightly quicker,it does have 4wd though :cool:

VolvoMan · 23-09-2009 10:09pm

tossy wrote: »

The perfomance of the R over the T isn't that great when you add everything up,the R has around 35bhp more and weighs over 200kgs more so only hits 60 slightly quicker,it does have 4wd though :cool:

That's it really, although it does have the 4C chassis as standard and looks slightly more distinctive. The engine is basically the same with a bigger turbo and intercooler, producing 300bhp.

maidhc · 23-09-2009 10:10pm

squod wrote: »

It's front wheel drive, rightly selling it before he ends up upside-down in a hedge.

A RWD in the wet is more likely to do that to you to be fair.

tossy · 23-09-2009 10:26pm

yeah a 2wd with 260 ponies is more than likely just going to torque steer into the gate post as you drive out of the house

BArra · 23-09-2009 10:32pm

why would any sane individual put the foot down in anything with that kinda engine when they have the steering wheel turned, its just asking to be wrapped around a ditch.... :rolleyes:

colm_mcm · 23-09-2009 10:34pm

a car that does 0-60 in over 7 seconds is harldy a sleeper is it?

tossy · 23-09-2009 10:36pm

Torque steer happens when going in a straight line.

tossy · 23-09-2009 10:37pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

a car that does 0-60 in over 7 seconds is harldy a sleeper is it?

Thats the million dollar question Colm,what is fast? and what the ratio of fast v's appearance to make a car a sleeper.

Gary ITR · 23-09-2009 10:51pm

I was in a 3 mps at the weekend and I have to say from the outside you are not expecting it to be as blistering as it is.

The one I was a passenger in just needed a better driver tbh

colm_mcm · 23-09-2009 11:03pm

tossy wrote: »

Thats the million dollar question Colm,what is fast? and what the ratio of fast v's appearance to make a car a sleeper.

I see what you're saying.
Bit like when you get eaten by a TDI that's been rebadged to look like a TDI

We've all been there.

Johnny Utah · 23-09-2009 11:04pm

Now, this is a sleeper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A203ShFM854

tossy · 23-09-2009 11:04pm

Onkle wrote: »

I was in a 3 mps at the weekend and I have to say from the outside you are not expecting it to be as blistering as it is.

The one I was a passenger in just needed a better driver tbh

that's what happens when you give a Mazda driver power

tossy · 23-09-2009 11:06pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

I see what you're saying.
Bit like when you get eaten by a TDI that's been rebadged to look like a TDI

We've all been there.

If you get eaten by a TDI you haven't got a fast car in the first place

HashSlinging · 24-09-2009 9:06am

Is this what your talking about, ricers NSFW.

ikillcopiers · 24-09-2009 10:49am

Ooohh a type 85 Audi, nice!

Most likely a 90 with a 10/20v 5 turbo dropped in,
very popular engine around Scandinavia, big power
if tuned properly.

Great car those, like a UR quattro without
having to loosen your belt to buy one (damn that Ashes To Ashes!)

Biro · 24-09-2009 10:58am

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200934340077163/sort/priceasc/search-target/usedcars/make/mercedes-benz/model/c_class/keywords/c32%20amg/postcode/w127rj/page/1?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fresults%2Fusedcars%2Fpostcode%2Fw127rj%2Fmake%2Fmercedes-benz%2Fmodel%2Fc_class%2Fkeywords%2Fc32%2520amg%2Fpage%2F1%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc&anchor=advert200934340077163&logcode=p
Kind of sleepery! Also available in estate. 2002 ones are only about €2,900 to clear.

Saab Ed · 24-09-2009 11:00am

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1058726.htm

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JHMEG · 24-09-2009 11:01am

tossy wrote: »

yeah a 2wd with 260 ponies is more than likely just going to torque steer into the gate post as you drive out of the house

You don't have to press the pedal to the floor when exiting the driveway!

smash · 24-09-2009 11:10am

I don't get the sleeper idea, it doesn't appeal to me. Powerful cars should look the part!

HashSlinging · 24-09-2009 11:17am

I prefer the sleeper look compared to the sheep in wolves clothing strategy!

i.e. This BMW

stealthyspeeder · 24-09-2009 11:21am

unkel wrote: »

but ultimate sleeper and FWD don't really go together, do they?

I beg to differ!

tossy wrote: »

yeah a 2wd with 260 ponies is more than likely just going to torque steer into the gate post as you drive out of the house

tossy wrote: »

Torque steer happens when going in a straight line.

Have you driven a FWD car with 260 bhp and a Limited Slip Differential? torque steer is only noticable when accelerating hard with the wheels turned, accelerating hard over very uneven surfaces!

Onkle wrote: »

I was in a 3 mps at the weekend and I have to say from the outside you are not expecting it to be as blistering as it is.

The one I was a passenger in just needed a better driver tbh

Im going to ignore that low blow..... for now!

tossy wrote: »

that's what happens when you give a Mazda driver power

The RX7 lads smile and chuckle at your comment!

jdf · 24-09-2009 11:40am

I've been driving a T5 now for 18 months and to be fair to the car it isn't ment to be an out and out sports saloon. It is an everyday car which sits in traffic and is all but invisible. I agonised over de-badging it when I first got it, but you know what? Most people have no idea what a T5 is. I park mine all over the place and don't give it a second thought. I like that about it, I don't need to worry about her, alone on the street being mugged or worse.

0-60 is 6.5 on paper, but that doesn't really tell the whole story. 2nd gear will get you into trouble and 3rd will loose you your licence. You can be the wrong side of 100mph in no time if you are in 3rd at 50mph.

I've grown accustomed to having 265bhp on call at all times and I have yet to find any occasion when I needed more. Now obviously I've not driven Porches or the like but a hotted up turbo diesel the T5 ain't. I have yet to be phased by a GTi or any other hot hatch. Not that I go looking for trouble though.

So to sum up, it ain't flash, looks pretty much like any other S60, can give a good account of itself, has a Tonganese half brother with a gimpy leg and can transport a family about in comfort and pass the cop test with ease.

tossy · 24-09-2009 3:51pm

JHMEG wrote: »

You don't have to press the pedal to the floor when exiting the driveway!

I was joking.i love winding the FWD boys up

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

Have you driven a FWD car with 260 bhp and a Limited Slip Differential? torque steer is only noticable when accelerating hard with the wheels turned, accelerating hard over very uneven surfaces!

The RX7 lads smile and chuckle at your comment!

Again Rick i was joking,and maximum respect to the RX7 great car.I have driven powerful FWD cars with a decent LSD and it makes some difference.

Personally i love the sleeper look.

bostoncommon · 24-09-2009 3:56pm

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/S6/4.2-V8-Q/200906191760081/advert?channel=CARS

HashSlinging · 24-09-2009 4:02pm

Damn you could really have some fun in that with a little bit of imagination. Speaker outside with a 1.9TDI sound track.

stealthyspeeder · 24-09-2009 4:06pm

tossy wrote: »

Again Rick i was joking,and maximum respect to the RX7 great car.I have driven powerful FWD cars with a decent LSD and it makes some difference.

Personally i love the sleeper look.

Grrrrrrrrrr!! lol!

SpannerMonkey · 27-09-2009 12:07am

i say ultimate sleepr that at least looks good it the Mazda 6 Mps

SV · 27-09-2009 1:47am

My car.
Great sleeper.. Well, not right now but as stock.

Who expects to be taught a lesson by a clio?

Dartz · 27-09-2009 2:02am

135i BMW. 3-litre twin turbo. 300bhp. RWD. In a small 4-door hatchback. (I think you can get it with this body style) Then add 116i badges for the added effect.

This is my dream car.

Light... ish. Quick. Comfy. Anonymous as hell, because how many 1-series do you see that are just plane old 1.6-2 litre models?

Blue850 · 27-09-2009 7:46am

action starts @ 2.00

-Chris- · 27-09-2009 10:50am

A customer of mine bought an A6 4.2 quattro tip. The first thing he did was switch around the badge on the back so it says 2.4!

It doesn't have the S6 alloys or any of that stuff, so in traffic it looks pretty normal, but you should hear the noise out of it when you put the foot down... savage!

:D

unkel · 27-09-2009 12:33pm

-Chris- wrote: »

A customer of mine bought an A6 4.2 quattro tip. The first thing he did was switch around the badge on the back so it says 2.4!

Class :cool:

Although a 1.8 or a 1.9 TDI badge might have been even better

junkyard · 27-09-2009 1:52pm

I was expecting to read about M5's, S8's and 500E's but Volvo's and Mazda's??? Ffs lads, ye need to get out more!!!:D

stealthyspeeder · 27-09-2009 2:55pm

junkyard wrote: »

I was expecting to read about M5's, S8's and 500E's but Volvo's and Mazda's??? Ffs lads, ye need to get out more!!!:D

Think your missing the point about sleepers! anybody who knows anything about cars knows that M5's, S8's are fast as f**k! a sleeper is something that doesnt look fast but is! I dont think M5's etc look slow!

Graham_B18C · 27-09-2009 3:29pm

I've never been a fan of the whole sleeper thing, I am also one to think that powerful cars should look good.

I do like the MPS and I know they can move...very quickly. And I can also see why people are a fan of sleepers.

But Tossy, i'd hardly call your car a sleeper...it's a very mean looking machine! And the 'ring sticker on the back is a bit of a givaway!!!

VolvoMan · 27-09-2009 4:24pm

junkyard wrote: »

I was expecting to read about M5's, S8's and 500E's but Volvo's and Mazda's??? Ffs lads, ye need to get out more!!!:D

I would comment on this statement but it would be probably be best if I didn't.

junkyard · 27-09-2009 5:07pm

VolvoMan wrote: »

I would comment on this statement but it would be probably be best if I didn't.

Feel free Volvoman that's what the whole forum thing is about but before you do i've driven or owned pretty much every car mentioned on here at some stage in my life and I didn't just make a sweeping statement, that said i'm not here to fight with ye either.:eek:

tossy · 27-09-2009 5:23pm

Grahamo999 wrote: »

But Tossy, i'd hardly call your car a sleeper...it's a very mean looking machine! And the 'ring sticker on the back is a bit of a givaway!!!

I suppose but most people don't know what a ring sticker is

plus very few people expect a Bora to be able to shift

VolvoMan · 27-09-2009 6:32pm

junkyard wrote: »

Feel free Volvoman that's what the whole forum thing is about but before you do i've driven or owned pretty much every car mentioned on here at some stage in my life and I didn't just make a sweeping statement, that said i'm not here to fight with ye either.:eek:

It's just I find all those cars you like a bit ostentatious. There are a lot of great cars out there that you haven't driven probably because you haven't noticed them for a second.

junkyard · 27-09-2009 8:54pm

VolvoMan wrote: »

It's just I find all those cars you like a bit ostentatious. There are a lot of great cars out there that you haven't driven probably because you haven't noticed them for a second.

Well i've driven almost everything at this stage, some I remember well and some don't even register as they we're nothing special really.

The ultimate sleeper

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