House plans change

tred

Folks, just wondering, if i want to change around the internals of a house but not modify exterior or windows, do i still need to apply for retention? This is a house that hasnt started yet. what i mean is basically, say i have 2 very large rooms, but maybe consolidate them into 3.

johnny_adidas

if as described above, no

tred

johnny_adidas wrote: »

if as described above, no

I didnt think so. we might have to move the hot press but else all diminsionsa will be the same..

thanks.

Poor Uncle Tom

It depends on the planning permission. Is there a condition saying the dwelling should be constructed in accordance with the details submitted (or something like that). If so, then you could be in breech of your planning permission if you do not get clearence from your LA for any changes.

tred

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

It depends on the planning permission. Is there a condition saying the dwelling should be constructed in accordance with the details submitted (or something like that). If so, then you could be in breech of your planning permission if you do not get clearence from your LA for any changes.

Ill check wiht them and see. its all internal. nothing changing outside. i cant seee itas a problem. as i know you can open up rooms wihtout applying for planning on it.

Poor Uncle Tom

tred,
Normally it isn't an issue, and even most internal changes can be dealt with by letter from the planner. It can become a problem if changes are made to the layout from what was granted planning permission, where a condition as described exists, and a Certificate of Compliance is required. This then becomes a Building Control issue and the breeches hurdle is difficult to get over after the fact.

Penn

You shouldn't need planning so long as you don't change the overall scope of the development such as making 2 bedrooms into 3 bedrooms

muffler

Where is the additional window going?

Mellor

Speak to the planner, if could be fine, but if you for example, made a change that affected a bedroom, making it unsuitable then you would get a bit of bother with certs etc, hence everything needed in writing

tred

muffler wrote: »

Where is the additional window going?

no extra windows. Just a change of lay out upstairs. I am only thinking aloud about it now. Ill chat to planner as you suggested as well.

muffler

tred wrote: »

no extra windows. Just a change of lay out upstairs. I am only thinking aloud about it now. Ill chat to planner as you suggested as well.

But if you are turning 2 rooms into 3 are you not going to have an additional window?

Bear in mind if the 3rd room becomes an "inner room" it will need a window or door as a means of escape.

johnny_adidas

2 windows already in one room....a storage room accessed directly off a hallway.....an en suite.
not exactly rocket science

sorry to sound like this but you seem to be making more out of the problem than there appears to be. OP has already said he's going to discuss it with local planner before doing anything

muffler

johnny_adidas wrote: »

2 windows already in one room....a storage room accessed directly off a hallway.....an en suite.
not exactly rocket science

No its not rocket science when its fully expalined what the changes are except I didnt see the OP post anything along the lines of what you have described above. How come you know more about this than the rest of us?

johnny_adidas wrote: »

sorry to sound like this but you seem to be making more out of the problem than there appears to be. OP has already said he's going to discuss it with local planner before doing anything

I am trying to be helpful here. As i said its logical to assume that if anyone is going to turn 2 rooms into 3 then 9 times out of 10 an additional window will be necessary. Its not my fault that a full description of the proposed changes wasnt posted up here and its therefore difficult to advise accordingly.

And you can drop the attitude too while we're on the subject. Back seat modding will gain you nothing here.

tred

muffler wrote: »

No its not rocket science when its fully expalined what the changes are except I didnt see the OP post anything along the lines of what you have described above. How come you know more about this than the rest of us?


I am trying to be helpful here. As i said its logical to assume that if anyone is going to turn 2 rooms into 3 then 9 times out of 10 an additional window will be necessary. Its not my fault that a full description of the proposed changes wasnt posted up here and its therefore difficult to advise accordingly.

And you can drop the attitude too while we're on the subject. Back seat modding will gain you nothing here.

lads calm down. No windows needed. Ample windows included int he design. ITs a big house, i am not talking about 3 small rooms. The general question is if i Dont need additional windows and any changes to exterior of house, but would like to modify a few internal walls from original planning application do i need to apply for retention. Ill speak to planner and let you know..

johnny_adidas

Didnt see it as back seat modding to be honest, merely it appeared the best solution had been offered and accepted.

Given the OPs description and the indication that an additional window would not be required, 2 very large rooms could have more than one window in either which could be divided between the 3 proposed. Or one the other situations I guessed.
The OP also stated on 3 occasions that it was going to be internal alterations only :eek:

All that said, I probably could've chosen my words a bit better, so rather than witness more mod muscle flexing ill leave it at that

Mellor

johnny_adidas wrote: »

Given the OPs description and the indication that an additional window would not be required, 2 very large rooms could have more than one window in either which could be divided between the 3 proposed. Or one the other situations I guessed.
The OP also stated on 3 occasions that it was going to be internal alterations only :eek:

All that said, I probably could've chosen my words a bit better, so rather than witness more mod muscle flexing ill leave it at that

Well the problem is that the OP has no knowledge or experience in this area. If he did then the thread wouldn't be needed. It is hardly beyond possibility that the OP did a rough sketch and missed the fact that the new room was without a window. He may have also missed the fact that the internal modifications may have knock on effects. First floor support for example.

Its best to flag an issue and be told its not a problem than to take an unqualified opinion at face value.