Girls v Girls

Jules

Got linked to this a little while ago, an interview with Megan Fox and this extract kinda got me thinking,

She said: “Girls are awful. But I think girls are awful because of the way society is set up and that we're forced to constantly be in competition for male attention. I think we're raised the wrong way with the wrong standards and our fathers raise us wrong. And so we search the rest of our lives for boys to pay attention to validate us.”

You can read the full thing from the link below but this from the "most beautiful woman in the world" What do you think?

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/entertainment/fox-frightened-of-supernatural-sexual-power-426866.html#ixzz0RSHfpuWB

Silverfish

Speak for yourself Ms Fox.

I'm in competition with no-one, in the same way I'm not in competition in the 100m sprint.

Kiera

I find its only young girls who compete with each other (ie.16-23 yr olds). The older you get the less you care (or more sense you get).

Nevyn

Not all girls are but a lot are.
It is something I am aware of with my 9 year old daughter and try make sure she gets enough time with her dad in a positive manner.
But I don't have a lot of time for Ms Fox who did have plastic surgery and called wonderwoman crap.

Jules

As thead said some do, and i think a lot more women look to men for validation then care to admit it.

Kiera

Kiera wrote: »

I find its only young girls who compete with each other (ie.16-23 yr olds). The older you get the less you care (or more sense you get).

Dear god I think it only starts proper when weddings and offspring come into the picture.

Jules

The programme on Sky "4 Weddings" is a typical example of competition, yeah i know its slightly different but have you seen how mean they can be to each other!

Wibbs

Jules wrote: »

As thead said some do, and i think a lot more women look to men for validation then care to admit it.

Doubly so for the women who've been judged on and judge themselves by their looks and desirability. I think that's why manwhores will tell you the best looking woman in the room is often the easiest to get, but only if you don't play the game. If you dont accept her based on her looks. You'll actually hear those kind of women say thinsg like "but... but do you not think I'm pretty?" If the guy ignores that(in a nice way) they'll jump through hoops to keep his attention as it's entirely how they value and validate themselves.

Kiera

Oops totally read your OP wrong, Jules

Loomis

"Our fathers raise us wrong"?

Her mother have nothing to do with how she turned out? Sounds like she has issues with her da and nothing more. She comes across as a total tool anytime you hear her talk anyway

metaoblivia

I think that not only are some girls competitive, but some women are too. I do think it a lot of it goes away with age, but I'm thinking more 50+, once the looks fade and the children are starting to set out on their own, or whenever it is they stop perceiving other women as a threat. Even then, some women still keep it up.

And I'm not surprised about that Megan Fox quote. Despite the many doors her beauty has opened, I would imagine she had to deal with a lot of jealously from other girls because of it. I can see where it would be hard for her to form relationships with other girls at this stage in her life because many of the women her age would feel threatened by her in one way or another.

Kiera

Moonbaby wrote: »

Dear god I think it only starts proper when weddings and offspring come into the picture.

Maybe. I've had neither so dont know about all that

Nevyn

metaoblivia I don't think it stops for some of them, they find different ways to still compete in the same often sly manner, be it via thier kids or other things they get involved with.

metaoblivia

Thaedydal wrote: »

metaoblivia I don't think it stops for some of them, they find different ways to still compete in the same often sly manner, be it via thier kids or other things they get involved with.

Oh yeah, that's what I meant by "even then some women still keep it up." My paternal grandmother was a good example of this. She had terrible relationships with other women her entire life because she would always try and undermine them. She had an incredible inferiority complex and in some ways, it just got worse as she aged and her insecurities heightened. She died last Christmas, and only two people - her husband and my father, her only child - attended her service.

Wibbs

metaoblivia wrote: »

And I'm not surprised about that Megan Fox quote. Despite the many doors her beauty has opened,

I would say all her doors have been opened by that. She's well aware she's in a biz that concentrates on that aspect in women, so she's been judged by that constantly and in her movie circle she'd well feel it. Outside that circle she would likely get static from other women for the reasons you gave too.

Oh The Humanity

Thaedydal wrote: »

But I don't have a lot of time for Ms Fox who did have plastic surgery and called wonderwoman crap.

But there is nothing wrong with getting plastic surgery?

I mean, as long as you dont end up looking like Jordan or someone. Megan Fox is beautiful surely whatever she's had done looks natural.....so what harm!?

metrovelvet

Women do not have the same competitive outlets as men do. Make your daughters do sports.

LivingDeadGirl

I'm not sure where I sit with the actual question this thread is posing, but LOL @ the most beautiful woman in the world part! She looks like a streetwalker!

Piste

I'm a competitive person, my gender has nothing to do with it. I do have an awful habit of turning everything into a competition, whether I'm competing against guys or girls doesn't matter. It's not a very nice trait really.

starflake

I'm getting flashbacks from pride and prejudice.. Fighting eachother off to marry some rich guy!

scanlas

She said in an interview that it's easy for women to win in a relationship because they have a vagina. It didn't realise relationships were a competition.

pikachucheeks

Piste wrote: »

I'm a competitive person, my gender has nothing to do with it. I do have an awful habit of turning everything into a competition, whether I'm competing against guys or girls doesn't matter. It's not a very nice trait really.

I wouldn't agree that it's not a very nice trait - Being competitive can be good on some levels ; It can make you a very determined, driven person - with ambition and focus. Nothing wrong with that!

However, no one can 'win' everything in life. Things do go wrong. So as long as you can handle and cope with not getting your way sometimes - or losing, it's all good.

As for Megan Fox, I see where she's coming from regarding women fighting for male attention.
I've seen it happening and as a teenager, I've even been involved in it happening.
From my experience, I'd say the reason I did was out of my own personal insecurities. I thought that if I could win a guy's attention, beating another girl who liked him, that would reassure me about myself and make me feel prettier, more desirable. At the end of the day, it just made me like a bitch, to be honest.

I realised afterwards that I don't want to compete with another woman. If a guy likes me, fair enough. If he likes someone else, I won't try to change his mind or get myself into a difficult, awkward situation. If he likes someone else and me ... I'll walk away and advise him to go for her. I won't get into a competition of that sort again.

I'm not sure if I could put an age on when it starts or stops happening. I just think it's something that can happen to anyone. Eventually, you realise how wrong and unsatisfying it is.

Húrin

Of course women compete for male attention. Men compete for female attention. It's the way of the world. I don't see how it can be changed or why one should complain about it. Natural selection wouldn't function without this tendency.

The person who wrote the linked article was a muppet solely by calling her "the most beautiful woman in the world". How can you ever know who is the most beautiful woman in the world? There are so many of them!

Novella

I think it's really sad that there's this sort of "competition" between women for mens approval. I've never felt like I needed the approval of a man, or that of anyone else actually, to make me feel better about myself in my life.

If a guy told me that he liked me but that he liked someone else as well, I wouldn't feel, "Oooh, I gotta do something to make him like me more". I'd be turned off by that. It kinda says to me that he thinks he deserves to have two girls fighting over him or whatever and I'm not interested in that. Also, why would I want to be with a guy I had to 'fight' for? It's not that I think I deserve all the attention and a guy can like me and only me, but I don't wanna feel like I'm being pressured to be better than some other girl, if that makes sense!

I'm not the sort of person who would ever want to be in competition with someone over something stupid and I would just bow out. I don't want women to have the impression that I am a bitch and I don't want men to think I'll do anything to have their attention, including hurt other people.

johnathan woss

On the contrary to what Megan Fox is saying; any evolutionary psychology I've read suggests that it is women who drive men to compete.

i.e. the main reason why men compete for power, riches, material objects, etc is for access to women; as women in general will select men with relative power and riches.

Dudess

Yes, it would appear some women undermine other women all right:

Megan Fox wrote:

“Girls are awful.”

minidazzler

LivingDeadGirl wrote: »

I'm not sure where I sit with the actual question this thread is posing, but LOL @ the most beautiful woman in the world part! She looks like a streetwalker!

There are very few if any street walkers who look like that, maybe a high-class escort?

One of the prettiest women in the world really, but not by a long shot the most beautiful, I know more beautiful girls than her who are not as pretty.

Novella wrote: »

If a guy told me that he liked me but that he liked someone else as well, I wouldn't feel, "Oooh, I gotta do something to make him like me more". I'd be turned off by that. It kinda says to me that he thinks he deserves to have two girls fighting over him or whatever and I'm not interested in that. Also, why would I want to be with a guy I had to 'fight' for? It's not that I think I deserve all the attention and a guy can like me and only me, but I don't wanna feel like I'm being pressured to be better than some other girl, if that makes sense!

I have never understood why fella's play this card really. I've never done it myself, probably because I've never had 2 girls like me enough at the same time that I could. But I don't understand why a dude would have girls competing for his attention, sure it's flattering, but that would be annoying as it's likely to be the girl who undermines that wins.

On the flip side, I never get into competitions competing for a girls attention either because no matter who I am against, I am too self-deprecating about myself that I can't. I have seen friends do it, and it is not a nice thing. I generally take the side of one friend unconsciously and hope the other just backs off and be a man about it. The only problem with my stepping aside is that when the relationship ends, if it's a girl I really like, I can't touch her for at least 6 months and even then it gets called sloppy seconds, (Even though he never got further than a kiss:D)

IMO, ALOT of young girls do like to compete for a guys attention. Mostly because they don't yet know the power that they have over guys or they don't know how to use that power. But that's just my €0.02.

LivingDeadGirl

minidazzler wrote: »

There are very few if any street walkers who look like that, maybe a high-class escort?

One of the prettiest women in the world really, but not by a long shot the most beautiful, I know more beautiful girls than her who are not as pretty.

I've seen hookers in Hamburg and Toronto who resembled her.

Can't agree with that at all! Her face is so harsh and pinched looking, full of botox and clearly operated on, she looks like an unfriendly Barbie. She wears an awful lot of make up sometimes too, orange yuckiness. In my eyes she's just another Jordan with less ridiculous boobs.

pikachucheeks

Regardless of whether she's had surgery or not, I think she's very pretty. I can see why people are attracted to her.

She obviously puts effort into her appearance and she looks good. Fair play to her!

Dudess

She was young and beautiful anyway - why was it deemed necessary for her to get all that plastic stuff done? Even if she chose it, why would a woman be thinking like that in her early 20s? Although I think she looks older - wouldn't be surprised if she was lying about her age too. She really seems like an ultimate example of someone caving in to Hollywood pressure.

metrovelvet

I have a theory about this which I doubt anyone will agree with and I have no science articles to back it up - it's just my theory, that's all.

I think female competition is atavistic. I think we are all born with it because hisotircally we have all had our survival threatened by being the second sex, either through being killed at birth, as in china, or having your head chopped off, or witch hunts, or various other forms that people came up with to eradicate the feminine.

Women compete for male attention because in evolutionary terms we have been dependent on them for our lives. No matter what anyone says you cant change thousands of years of adaptation in 20.

just my 2c.

metrovelvet

Dudess wrote: »

She was young and beautiful anyway - why was it deemed necessary for her to get all that plastic stuff done? Even if she chose it, why would a woman be thinking like that in her early 20s? Although I think she looks older - wouldn't be surprised if she was lying about her age too. She really seems like an ultimate example of someone caving in to Hollywood pressure.

Women way younger than that think about it and do it. When I was in high school, a classmate [15] had a nose job.

The pressure is there.