I voted for Brian Lenihan

Dartz

I'm so sorry. So very, very sorry. He was all nice when I met him outside Supervalue, so corteous and welcoming... and then.... and then...

34k Euro per head to NAMA.

I'm sorry okay, but the promise of a footbridge over the Royal Canal was too good to ignore. Yous'dve done the same in yous're place. DONT HATE ME!!1onetwo

PLEASE1

*sob...sob...sob...

Karoma

You're worse than a Nazi.

artanevilla

A picture is worth a thousand words.

aftermn

go on ya blind bastard,

would'nt hurt the unfortunates of this world.

We forgive ya

But remember, if my neighbours dog bites me once, shame on him, if he bites my twice, shame on me.

cherryghost

to make up for your wrongdoing, you have to thank every post in this thread

starbelgrade

Dartz wrote: »

34k Euro per head to NAMA.

It's actually €34k per family, according to Labour, not per head.

Either way, I hope that the footbridge over the canal collapses under your weight & that you are sent to the watery grave to which you deserve.

Stephen

Just promise to never vote for FF again and we'll forgive you.

teddy_303

starbelgrade wrote: »

It's actually €34k per family, according to Labour, not per head.

Either way, I hope that the footbridge over the canal collapses under your weight & that you are sent to the watery grave to which you deserve.

€34 K per family that's in the country at the time of going to print, I'd bet my home on it. I'm sure it will probably will be €34 K per person once all the non national families living here get wind of whats the real deal with regard to the ridiculous level of tax they will be joining the rest of us poor unfortunates in paying for ever and beyond. :mad:

Well might leg it myself. Leger, Leger, Leger, Leger.

:eek:

And before any1 attempts to give me any grief, pay attn to what's follow:

I was just lucky enough to have worked right through the good times, without ever being unlucky enough to have being remotely considered for a mortgage. All this was happening while working my arse off to make rent, having to deal with scabby landlords and a miserably unscrupulous employer, who bled me dry professionally, personally, psychologically and spiritually, while the unemploy - ed / able got free homes and disposable income.

:mad:

I don't mean to sound harsh on the weaker members of society, but good god I was glad to be fortunate enough not to be in their position, and could have ended up in that situation so easily, but I just couldn't allow it. I have posted this information in another earlier post, Re: That the full employment level, which has being mentioned so fondly, quite falsely, and yet so repetitively by this government, has an accepted level of 4.4%. Please see results published:

central statistics office / csi.ie[/B]

% July

4.3 -- 2004

4.5 -- 2005

4.5 -- 2006

4.5 -- 2007

6.4 -- 2008

12.2 -- 2009


In addition to this information, seasonally adjusted figures, as presented by "Our publicly funded broadcaster", these figures are not susceptible to alterations in that regard. This is the same season as it was 5 years ago, in 2004. I have posted this info previously, only to have it disputed by some people who don't, or can't see whats right in front of them. :mad:

This means that from the 4.2 % all time low that these figures show, unemployment is up not the 12.2% these clowns would have us believe, while the old boys network close ranks, sacking staff because. they have troublesome staff, who need to be re placed with some more agreeable staff, who are prepared to work free of charge when needed to, and they need to mislead people about our detrimental impending doom, to put the squeeze on us all, ie. why not raise tax by a few % points? No good. It's going to tax their own social circle. How could these crooks be expected to enjoy their week ends while they tax their own? I know, a "Levy". A third "new income tax". Not content with having PAYE workers paying tax on their PRSI, while paying PRSI on their tax, they now have to, on top of all the established deductions, have to pay the 1% levy on their Tax and PRSI, and so on.

It is just a case of, as "economics graduates" would call it

"Lick Flexibility!

[B]Which means in Lay mans terms, the practice of getting rid of "trouble some " staff IE. Staff members who stand up for their workers rights, and by doing so, the workers rights of their colleagues, weather they deserve their rights to be represented or not. Only to be replaced with docile, easily manipulated staff, who don't ask difficult questions, or any questions at all preferably! Any form of recession, be it national or international, would be a very conducive and familiar ground for this practice to occur.

People earning over €100,000. I know it has been dropped, but that was only because of the Righteous indignation of the tax paying public. Does anyone seriously think these media leaks are a co-incidence anymore? :mad:

I sincerely hope not. The government just wants to avoid another OAP
Revolution. This country needs a full social revolution, which means the full works, and everyone doing their bit. We cannot have a youth culture driven by middle aged white established rock stars, who are well past their sell by date. Sorry U2, you've had your chance, people do not want to listen to your " do not copy our albums, Just buy them, seen as how
we've asked", in conjunction with West Life, The Corrs and that total and complete twat Ronan Keating , along with the other non entity BZoners

:mad:

This is not a socially intact statement, it's a pile of sh1te. These millionaires parading themselves as Irish, while they contribute to another economy, the dutch ome, and try to tell the rest of us who have to actually earn a living what we should do with our hard earned tax € 's.

:mad:

Which reminds me, where does Dustin stand on these issues?

:mad:

No much of him since BIFFO, The FF gangster got into the Royal Box.

:mad:

Or is it me not seeing enough daytime TV, or did someone "ave a word"?

:mad:

Maybe it's a bit too edgy for making fun of?Who would have thought it?

:mad:

Never thought I;d say this but, come beck Bertie, I forgive u at least!

:mad:

Or perhaps it is all your fault brother? CJ did used to call u the "Sly Fox"

:mad:

DamoDLK

Is that per family per year or one off? ffs, is there no end to the damage caused by that bloody incompetent Government. :mad:

Quackles

They should take 68k off your family and none off mine, I sure as hell didn't vote for any of them :P Now, your penance is one our father and ten hail marys.

thomond2006

Dartz wrote: »

I'm so sorry. So very, very sorry. He was all nice when I met him outside Supervalue, so corteous and welcoming... and then.... and then...

[patronising voice] I know....I know.... [/patronising voice]

Biggins

Dartz wrote: »

I'm so sorry. So very, very sorry. He was all nice when I met him outside Supervalue, so corteous and welcoming... and then.... and then...

34k Euro per head to NAMA.

I'm sorry okay, but the promise of a footbridge over the Royal Canal was too good to ignore. Yous'dve done the same in yous're place. DONT HATE ME!!1onetwo

PLEASE1

*sob...sob...sob...

At least you have the balls to admit it and you've learned from your mistake!
Welcome to the club of those that are more clued in to how FF is continuing to screw us all and the country!

Now if we could only get the dumb blind blinkered sheep of this country to kop themselves on!
That said, yesterday was a national sad joke and a disgrace for both sides of the fence in the Dail. Why?
To quote "unitedpeople.ie"

The two main parties yesterday showed yet again according to some public, their true colours in the Dail upon its previous earlier in the week re-opening. To silence the news stories, the public talking and any further media coverage on the John O'Donoghue affair, they have decided not to push for his resignation and have meekly accepted his maybe forced apology.
Fianna Fail don't want him sacked because he is still a Fianna Fail member and as such holds a seat for them - keeping the majority in the Dail. Fine Gael doesn't want to push the issue further as doing so will further expose their own still secret expenses mistakes and worse, their perhaps secret abuses of the Dail monetary system.
They could have - SHOULD HAVE - jumped at the opportunity (even on behalf of their ground members who work tirelessly for them) to lessen Fianna Fail's majority but they willingly sacrificed that chance in order perhaps so that their own expenses scandals should go unreported. This could have happened if Fianna Fail was to lash back at the opposition in retort for pushing Mr O'Donoghue out of office.

Instead now, all the main parties want the expenses issue to go quietly away. They are afraid that the issue of expenses will blow up in their faces like the British version of events recently. The real losers in their actions is apparently the Irish public who will continue for the foreseeable future continue to be taxed and levied so that their many, many expense claims can be paid for also!

The TDs also from both sides also still continue to refuse to clock in/out of the Dail as they know this would mean the public would finally be able to find out just how much time they actually spend in the Dail doing their nationally elected duty.

An indication of their expenses see HERE.

Blazer

This is bloody ridiculous...how much longer will the Irish people put up with this crap before fighting back.

To be honest...I think we need to dump all the government parties.
Maybe go back to a Presidential governed Island..
Everyone can vote on the President, however he is only governing the country.
He cannot bring in his own people etc to run Health/Finanace/Welfare etc.
Instead of assigning TDs to various departments assign an accountant to Finance, a Doctor to Health etc and pay top rate for them so we get the good ones.
Run the country like a business.

Theta

Berkut wrote: »

This is bloody ridiculous...how much longer will the Irish people put up with this crap before fighting back.

To be honest...I think we need to dump all the government parties.
Maybe go back to a Presidential governed Island..
Everyone can vote on the President, however he is only governing the country.
He cannot bring in his own people etc to run Health/Finanace/Welfare etc.
Instead of assigning TDs to various departments assign an accountant to Finance, a Doctor to Health etc and pay top rate for them so we get the good ones.
Run the country like a business.

That is a terrible idea, most put money and profit before people

But I do think that an economist/accounment should be running or at least in charge of the department of finance.

And FF has made a balls of it all and wont be voted into government again for a long time. BUT they are the only one who came up with a someway viable solution and who knows in the history books it may be one of the things that "saved" some of the economy.

Mark200

I support NAMA. €34k per family sounds like a lot, but if the bank system in Ireland is allowed to collapse it will cost us as a country a whole lot more. Just because a few of their stupid ideas got us into this mess doesn't mean that all their ideas should immediately be labelled as stupid. I think they've got this one right.

I didn't vote for Fianna Fail, but I don't really understand the bashing that all those who voted for them are getting. Do you REALLY think Fine Gael would have done a significantly better job? I seriously doubt it. If they had got elected in the last election we'd still be in this mess, and the only difference would be that people would be starting topics apologising for electing that fool Enda Kenny.

I don't know who I'll be voting for in the next election. I've hardly got an abundance of choice. What kind of Government will there be when/if Fianna Fail lose miserably in the next election? Labour and Fine Gael? Fine Gael are further right wing than Fianna Fail, and Labour are further left wing. How on Earth is that going to make a stable Government? Labour want less cuts, Fine Gael want more cuts. The Green Party are fools, as we have learned. Sinn Fein? Well they don't have a clue, but neither do any of the other politicians from the other parties.

Fine Gael will most likely get elected in the next election but that will only be throuogh Fianna Fail's mistakes rather than the belief that Fine Gael can actually help us.

Caoimhín

I am no FF supporter, never voted for them and NAMA is the greatest gamble in the history of mankind.

However, I think Brian Lenihan is an honest and intelligent man. I do not subscribe to the theory that he is doing this just to look after the banks and builders. He may be misguided but I do think he has good intentions at heart.

Riamfada

You voted on someone based on the fact they were nice to you when they wanted to talk to you outside supervalue?

Im suprised the Dail isnt populated by knackers looking to bum a smoke.

themadchef

Caoimhín wrote: »

I am no FF supporter, never voted for them and NAMA is the greatest gamble in the history of mankind.

However, I think Brian Lenihan is an honest and intelligent man. I do not subscribe to the theory that he is doing this just to look after the banks and builders. He may be misguided but I do think he has good intentions at heart.

Is that you Brian?

Biggins

Grimes wrote: »

You voted on someone based on the fact they were nice to you when they wanted to talk to you outside supervalue?
'Im suprised the Dail isnt populated by knackers looking to bum a smoke.

LOL ...or charity collectors! :pac:

Banter Joe

irlmarc wrote: »

That is a terrible idea, most put money and profit before people

I think the point about everyone in the country having the opportunity to vote for the leader of the country is a far better system than the current one.

I didn't vote for Brian Cowen to lead this country. Nobody but those in Fianna Fáil had an oppurtunity to do that. That seems a bit crazy to me.

Wazdakka

Rabble, Rabble, Rabble.

Caoimhín

Wazdakka wrote: »

Rabble, Rabble, Rabble.

Thats getting old.

That_Guy

OP I can't believe you voted for a giant douche.

Biggins

That_Guy wrote: »

OP I can't believe you voted for a giant douche.

LOL Why not? At one stage part of Dublin (I think) was voting for a stuffed dummy Turkey (Dustin)!
Why not vote for a bath tool? :pac:

Sam Vimes

It's not actually going to cost €34K per family. They're buying assets worth ~€47 billion for €54 billion because if they gave the actual figure of €47 billion the banks still wouldn't have enough money to start lending again. Over the next few years those assets are going to be sold off and in theory they'll increase in value so NAMA could make a profit (unlikely though).

The point is that whatever the ultimate value of these properties, they're never going to be worth €0 which is the only way it would cost everyone €34K

That_Guy

Biggins wrote: »

LOL Why not? At one stage part of Dublin (I think) was voting for a stuffed dummy Turkey (Dustin)!
Why not vote for a bath tool? :pac:

Whatever Biggins. You know that Turd Sandwich is the superior here.

Bob_Harris

Sam Vimes wrote: »

It's not actually going to cost €34K per family. They're buying assets worth ~€47 billion for €54 billion because if they gave the actual figure of €47 billion the banks still wouldn't have enough money to start lending again. Over the next few years those assets are going to be sold off and in theory they'll increase in value so NAMA could make a profit (unlikely though).

The point is that whatever the ultimate value of these properties, they're never going to be worth €0 which is the only way it would cost everyone €34K

Why will they increase in value when the "market" knows there is €54bn (€77bn) worth of assets waiting to be dumped on the market?

Mark200

Bob_Harris wrote: »

Why will they increase in value when the "market" knows there is €54bn (€77bn) worth of assets waiting to be dumped on the market?

They'd most likely be "dumped" gradually, rather than all at once. Similar to how OPEC tries to control the price of oil. The oil reserves are finite, but the prices go up and down depending on how much OPEC makes available on the market at any time compared to the demand that there is for it.

ART6

Grimes wrote: »

You voted on someone based on the fact they were nice to you when they wanted to talk to you outside supervalue?

Im suprised the Dail isnt populated by knackers looking to bum a smoke.

Where have you been. That's exactly who it's populated by. They've just graduated from bumming smokes to bumming higher things.;)

Bob_Harris

Mark200 wrote: »

They'd most likely be "dumped" gradually, rather than all at once. Similar to how OPEC tries to control the price of oil. The oil reserves are finite, but the prices go up and down depending on how much OPEC makes available on the market at any time compared to the demand that there is for it.

There is a constant, if variable, global demand for oil.

You can't say that about land, abandoned building sites and property in Ireland.

Biggins

ART6 wrote: »

Where have you been. That's exactly who it's populated by. They've just graduated from bumming smokes to bumming higher things.;)

Aye. US.
We are all getting it up the ass!
Cum the next budget, even more so. Take the pain, take the pain....

DublinDilbert

Dartz wrote: »

the promise of a footbridge over the Royal Canal was too good to ignore.

Did you ever get the bridge? or was it just another FF election promise?

That_Guy

DublinDilbert wrote: »

Did you ever get the bridge? or was it just another FF election promise?

It's a metaphorical bridge. You have to overcome a series of life challenges and learn morals before you can cross the bridge.

veryangryman

"Ermmm ....I dont have your money...Its in Bills house...and Freds House!"

Morlar

veryangryman wrote: »

"Ermmm ....I dont have your money...Its in Bills house...and Freds House!"

Difference is I don't think anyone will stop lenihan jumping off the nearest bridge. In fact if he walks too close anytime soon he will be pushed over.

The thing that pisses me off most about nama is that you just know it is going to be a mixture of incompetence and corruption with a total lack of any kind of meaningful accountability to taxpayers. I guarantee you that in a few years there will be documentaries on rte/tv3 etc bemoaning the levels of corruption and mistakes that they are going to make & how much they are going to be fleeced by.

Mark200

Bob_Harris wrote: »

There is a constant, if variable, global demand for oil.

You can't say that about land, abandoned building sites and property in Ireland.

The population is only getting bigger. Granted that there may well be more than enough houses already for a good while, there will always be people who always want to move house, or move out of their parents house. The reason why houses aren't selling now (besides the fact that they were overpriced anyway) isn't because of a sudden drop in the amount of people who want/need to move, but a lot of these people are either short on money or scared of the recession and have decided to postpone, but not cancel, their plans. And if the population continues to grow, it's inevitable that the demand for houses and land will grow too. The question is how long before the demand grows enough for NAMA to actually make a profit.

brianthebard

Biggins wrote: »

To quote "unitedpeople.ie"

Is that not just you quoting yourself??

That_Guy

veryangryman wrote: »

"Ermmm ....I dont have your money...Its in Bills house...and Freds House!"

"What the hell you doing with my money in your house Fred"

Cue beatings.

Biggins

brianthebard wrote: »

Is that not just you quoting yourself??

No, Others work on the site uploading material.
I have my own business to run to be honest.

ejmaztec

brianthebard wrote: »

Is that not just you quoting yourself??

Biggins wrote: »

No, Others work on the site uploading material.

I have my own business to run to be honest.

Fremen

The Financial times had a good article on what we need to do. Instead of paying way over the odds, essentially donating money to the banks, we should strip them of all their good assets, set up some new banks which are initially supported by the government, and leave the bad stuff to rot.

Biggins

FF voters that have seen the light shouldn't be knocked.
We all at some stage support something that turns out to be off course or not what we thought it to be.
The better of us will admit openly and/or privately that mistakes are made.
(Hell, it would be a miracle if ALL could be avoided.)

So fair play to someone who has the guts to say in his own eyes, I might have made a mistake but I learned from it.

We should all be so lucky to be so honest.

brianthebard

Biggins wrote: »

No, Others work on the site uploading material.
I have my own business to run to be honest.

Its your site though right, you are in charge of running it? Its just to someone who didn't know it looked like you were quoting a source which you'd found online and had no connection to, which clearly wasn't the case because you had an interest in using your own website as a source.

Biggins

brianthebard wrote: »

Its your site though right, you are in charge of running it? Its just to someone who didn't know it looked like you were quoting a source which you'd found online and had no connection to, which clearly wasn't the case because you had an interest in using your own website as a source.

I fork out for the costs of the site.
The issues raised on it come from a variety of sources and like-minded people who think and report along the same lines as I would if I had the time.
Submissions are always welcome (submit@unitedpeople.ie). Want a meeting displayed? (from any side of a political argument) Seeking help? ... its free advertising.
Unitedpeople is (for the record) about people that although they have differences most times, at other times are united in a common cause, idea, etc.
Its a place where they could also seek like minded individuals for help and support.
You are never alone although it might seem that way a lot of the time.
The problem we face today, is how to get in contact with each other.
Someone has to go first and say "this is what I believe, does anyone agree and wish to join me? We can agree to have our differences in other areas but for the sake of "this issue" let's chat."

Hope that helps to clarify. All the best.

(apologies about sidetracking the theme of the thread!)