Obvious subliminal messages in department of Foreign affairs Lisbon treaty guide

Run_to_da_hills

This issue concerns another Pro Lisbon EU influenced Propaganda rag that has entered through my letterbox this week. THIS topic is about the IMAGES on this document and NOT the written content.

I have decided to create a separate thread for this issue because it is an entirely different publication than that of the other PRO Lisbon rag published by the IRC.

Again there is an obvious biased message on the cover of it to those that may only glance at it without looking through its entire content.

There are five figures in the front three colour and two black and white. Note on the cover the three colored figures have their hands up signifying a YES. You will also notice that one YES person is a collage graduate a person usually associated with having some degree of intelligence.



Notice the guy with the builders hat is a NO (Hand down) voter signifying a trades men or "working class", usually associated with someone with tabloid intelligrence.

Again It gets WORSE on the download version of this biased state issued propaganda document


On page one it shows a group of 12 people in the first page. There is a majority of 7 YES (Hands up) voters against 5 NO (Hands down) voters, I don't see any images of NO voters in colour.

The punk rocker, a person associated with anarchy and rebellion as a NO voter.

The guy with a stethoscope around his / her neck (A highly educated person associated with the medical profession ) in colour as a YES voter along with another college graduate.

Again this document was NOT put together by students as some school project. It was professionally manipulated at expense to play with peoples heads and again try to sway the undecided sheeple population of Ireland into Voting YES.

If I was an undecided voter and saw this obvious breach of conduct I would definitely VOTE NO on this issue.

weiss

i laughed at the punk rocker

the colours are definitely significant, red, green and blue for yes vote, while the no voters are dullish.

tbh, i don't think any pictures are necessary since it's no secret the government want a yes vote.

good catch.

Smyth

What about the "paddy" and the senile old woman?

It's laughably blatant.

weiss

it is promoting a yes vote, but then the government haven't made this a secret..

niallk

The only reason those people are voting no is because they only have one arm.

niallk

Also just noticed that the uncoloured people form 2 "Y"s and the coloured people form a third one.

Run_to_da_hills

This is also a waste of good TAX payers money promoting the biased YES campaign.

humanji

Ah you're seriously stretching at this point (but I noticed how you have a new way to post your propaganda pictures).

Firstly, you're the one claiming the working class are unintelligent, which I find horrifically insulting. And considering the working class are the backbone of this country, and he's been shown as voting no.

What about the colours? Why are come of the yes voters not coloured? Maybe because it's nothing to do with how you vote?

And why have someone who looks like a chav (the green guy) voting yes? Scumbags want Lisbon to pass? Hell, that's enought reason to vote no.

You've got the old woman voting no in the pic. The elderly always vote in large numbers and this is telling them to say no.

The punkrocker represents those who don't conform to the stereotypes and labels represented by the others. There's plenty of people like that and they're being told by this picture to vote no.

You're right! This is propaganda! The No side are creating these booklets to trick the populace! :rolleyes:

Seriously, do the No crackpots have such little regard for the Irish people and democracy that they have to lie and fantasize in order to trick people to vote their way?

humanji

Oh, and just so you know (but you'll ignore anyway) the people with their hands up represent people with questions about the treaty, not people who are voting yes.

Run_to_da_hills

humanji wrote: »

Firstly, you're the one claiming the working class are unintelligent, which I find horrifically insulting. And considering the working class are the backbone of this country, and he's been shown as voting no.

The Government is the one that is pigeon holing these people by associating them with the NO voting dregs of society.

If they were not they would have them as coloured images with their hand raised up along with doctors and college graduates. :rolleyes:

humanji wrote: »

What about the colours? Why are come of the yes voters not coloured? Maybe because it's nothing to do with how you vote?.

There are NO coloured personnel with their hands raised up on the cover of this corrupt document. This may be the only part of looked by much of the public before they rightly discard it in the bin.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There are NO coloured personnel with their hands raised up on the cover of this corrupt document. This may be the only part of looked by much of the public before they rightly discard it in the bin.

I'd bet money that this is the only part you've looked at.

And this is the same silly nonsense you claimed about the last one.

If this is such a corrupt document maybe you can point out the factual errors in it?
Or are we going to stick to made up subliminal messages?

meglome

humanji wrote: »

Oh, and just so you know (but you'll ignore anyway) the people with their hands up represent people with questions about the treaty, not people who are voting yes.

I'm still waiting to hear from him on all the things the EU have made us do. He can't even find one thing since 1973 and he's still going on with it.

Actually this is funny.

Introduction

On June 7th the people of the 26 Counties will be asked to vote on the Treaty of Nice - the fifth referendum on the European Union and, if passed, tying the Irish people, our political institutions and our economy closer to an EU superstate.

Sinn Fein believes that this treaty is NOT in Ireland's best interests. It will:

* undermine our sovereignty
* bring us closer into a European Army and NATO and
* relegate us to the second division of a two-tier European Union.

Since the Single European Act in 1987 the clear direction of EU development has been towards the creation of a giant state. More and more democratic control has been taken away from us in relation to both domestic and international affairs. The EU Commission and the EU Council of Ministers have become more powerful. The Nice Treaty increases that power and removes yet more democratic control from the hands of elected representatives in the Dáil. The Treaty of Nice is not about enlargement. It is about further centralising the EU, placing greater power in the hands of the larger states and allowing them to create a two-tier EU.

Séard is brí le flaitheas ná cearta daoine a aithint seachas cumhacht a bhronnadh ar feidhmeannaigh neamhtofa..

We want to see Europe defending our democratic rights, not eroding them.

Sinn Fein stands for democracy, accountability and equality within Europe. Sinn Fein are asking you to Vote NO.

http://www.sinnfein.org/releases/01/nicemanifesto.html

It's what Sinn Fein were saying about the Nice treaty 8 years ago. But they are still saying the exact same things now about Lisbon that didn't happen after Nice.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

I'd bet money that this is the only part you've looked at.

And this is the same silly nonsense you claimed about the last one.

If this is such a corrupt document maybe you can point out the factual errors in it?
Or are we going to stick to made up subliminal messages?

Read the OP. This topic is about the images and not about the written content. :rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Read the OP. This topic is about the images and not about the written content. :rolleyes:

So then no you can't point out any errors in the document, so you're just going to make **** up.

Wow exactly like you do with the Lisbon treaty.

So have you actually read this document or where you so overwhelmed by the magic subliminal messaging?

Run_to_da_hills

meglome wrote: »

I'm still waiting to hear from him on all the things the EU have made us do. He can't even find one thing since 1973 and he's still going on with it..

I would be more concerned about what the EU could force us us do should Lisbon be ratified.

You must remember that our constitution currently protects us from some certain draconian foreign legislation. We could loose all this with a YES vote. :eek:

Worse still in that our voting weight would be so minute that it would be a mere whisper at the back of the EU Parlament building :eek:

humanji

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The Government is the one that is pigeon holing these people by associating them with the NO voting dregs of society.

If they were not they would have them as coloured images with their hand raised up along with doctors and college graduates. :rolleyes:

There are NO coloured personnel with their hands raised up on the cover of this corrupt document. This may be the only part of looked by much of the public before they rightly discard it in the bin.

As I said before, there's a chav with his arm up. What degree does he have? Or what about all the people in the construciton industry with degrees? What about the old people with degrees? What about the punks with degrees? It is you who is pigeon holing these people.

And why do they have to be coloured? As I pointed out, there's a few with their arms up and they aren't coloured.

And as I said before, the hands raised signify people with questions, not those who are voting yes.

humanji

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would be more concerned about what the EU could force us us do should Lisbon be ratified.

Worse still in that our voting weight would be so minute that it would be a mere whisper at the back of the EU Parlament building :eek:

And you know that's all rubbish so why repeat it? Having a picture does nothing for your argument. Unless the picture itself is subliminal? Is it showing how the EU is going to destroy us?

Run_to_da_hills

humanji wrote: »

And you know that's all rubbish so why repeat it? Having a picture does nothing for your argument. Unless the picture itself is subliminal? Is it showing how the EU is going to destroy us?

The picture depicts a trap, the public must be properly informen before they vote. They must under stand that LIsbon will be the Vote to end all votes and will be the end of democracy as we know it in Ireland.

meglome

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would be more concerned about what the EU could force us us do should Lisbon be ratified.

You must remember that our constitution currently protects us from some certain draconian foreign legislation. We could loose all this with a YES vote. :eek:

Worse still in that our voting weight would be so minute that it would be a mere whisper at the back of the EU Parlament building :eek:

I tell you what Rtdh. I know what you've just said it a total lie and I think you know that. But I'm willing to step back here and let you show us all the part of the treaty with this in it. It's a legal document so it should be easy for you to do that, right?

weiss

humanji wrote:

What about the colours? Why are come of the yes voters not coloured? Maybe because it's nothing to do with how you vote?

And why have someone who looks like a chav (the green guy) voting yes? Scumbags want Lisbon to pass? Hell, that's enought reason to vote no.

You've got the old woman voting no in the pic. The elderly always vote in large numbers and this is telling them to say no.

The punkrocker represents those who don't conform to the stereotypes and labels represented by the others. There's plenty of people like that and they're being told by this picture to vote no.

Certainly colours could have an influence on the way you vote
Considering colour psychology, what effect colours have on the brain subconsciously.

RED. Physical
Positive: Physical courage, strength, warmth, energy, basic survival, 'fight or flight', stimulation, masculinity, excitement.
Negative: Defiance, aggression, visual impact, strain.

BLUE. Intellectual.
Positive: Intelligence, communication, trust, efficiency, serenity, duty, logic, coolness, reflection, calm.
Negative: Coldness, aloofness, lack of emotion, unfriendliness.

GREEN. Balance
Positive: Harmony, balance, refreshment, universal love, rest, restoration, reassurance, environmental awareness, equilibrium, peace.
Negative: Boredom, stagnation, blandness, enervation.

GREY.
Positive: Psychological neutrality.
Negative: Lack of confidence, dampness, depression, hibernation, lack of energy.

ORANGE.
Positive: Physical comfort, food, warmth, security, sensuality, passion, abundance, fun.
Negative: Deprivation, frustration, frivolity, immaturity.

humanji

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The picture depicts a trap, the public must be properly informen before they vote.

So as I said, it's subliminal messaging, trying to make people think that anything EU related is a trap (god forbid they should ever be allowed to decided for themselves).

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They must under stand that LIsbon will be the Vote to end all votes and will be the end of democracy as we know it in Ireland.

They must believe what you tell them, you mean? Shuoldn't they decide for themselves? You always go on about NWO etc taking away peoples freedoms, but you want to do it yourself. You complain about subliminal messages in booklets, but really you're the one using them in you posts with the dodgy pictures you claim are fact.

Do you honestly not see that you are doing exactly what you're complaining about?

humanji

weiss wrote: »

Certainly colours could have an influence on the way you vote
Considering colour psychology, what effect colours have on the brain subconsciously.

RED. Physical
Positive: Physical courage, strength, warmth, energy, basic survival, 'fight or flight', stimulation, masculinity, excitement.
Negative: Defiance, aggression, visual impact, strain.

BLUE. Intellectual.
Positive: Intelligence, communication, trust, efficiency, serenity, duty, logic, coolness, reflection, calm.
Negative: Coldness, aloofness, lack of emotion, unfriendliness.

GREEN. Balance
Positive: Harmony, balance, refreshment, universal love, rest, restoration, reassurance, environmental awareness, equilibrium, peace.
Negative: Boredom, stagnation, blandness, enervation.

GREY.
Positive: Psychological neutrality.
Negative: Lack of confidence, dampness, depression, hibernation, lack of energy.

ORANGE.
Positive: Physical comfort, food, warmth, security, sensuality, passion, abundance, fun.
Negative: Deprivation, frustration, frivolity, immaturity.

Going by that, both pictures can be considered very negative towards the treaty, so it doesn't really work out.

http://www.euinfo.ie/uploads/file/LT2-plus-p7-rural-small.pdf

Maybe you should discuss the magic subliminal messages in this one?

Or perhaps we can discuss the blatant lies and untruths in it?

Why can't anyone point out any factual errors in the pro lisbon one I wonder?

Mahatma coat

King Mob wrote: »

http://www.euinfo.ie/uploads/file/LT2-plus-p7-rural-small.pdf

Maybe you should discuss the magic subliminal messages in this one?

Or perhaps we can discuss the blatant lies and untruths in it?

Why can't anyone point out any factual errors in the pro lisbon one I wonder?

Because Mob, These threads are about the images in the Booklets, the text is irelevant to these threads, thats theo point of the discussion, how the disjointed images appear to the person who gets the booklet flicks thru it looks at teh pictures but throws it in the bin without reading it, this is a very specific target audience to the propaganda machine pumpin out these 'neutral' documents

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Because Mob, These threads are about the images in the Booklets, the text is irelevant to these threads, thats theo point of the discussion, how the disjointed images appear to the person who gets the booklet flicks thru it looks at teh pictures but throws it in the bin without reading it, this is a very specific target audience to the propaganda machine pumpin out these 'neutral' documents

So then the text in the document is completely correct then?

But as far as I'm concerned the only reason people are bringing up "subliminal messages" is because they can't find anything wrong in the booklets.

There is nothing in the document that is factually incorrect or shows any bias, so detractors like RdtH have to make stuff up.
Not strike you as dishonest?

And considering that the "subliminal messages" consist of variations of colour and the postition of the hand while the blatant propaganda imagery in the No booklet (as well as the factually incorrect information inside) gets ignored make this thread laughable.

niallk

A simple game of join the hands:

humanji

King Mob wrote: »

So then the text in the document is completely correct then?

But as far as I'm concerned the only reason people are bringing up "subliminal messages" is because they can't find anything wrong in the booklets.

There is nothing in the document that is factually incorrect or shows any bias, so detractors like RdtH have to make stuff up.
Not strike you as dishonest?

And considering that the "subliminal messages" consist of variations of colour and the postition of the hand while the blatant propaganda imagery in the No booklet (as well as the factually incorrect information inside) gets ignored make this thread laughable.

Well, in fairness, the lies in the No campaign literature can be proven, so should be in Politics. If the subliminal messages had any truth to them they'd get posted there too.

indough

Undergod

niallk wrote: »

A simple game of join the hands:

You left out 4 hands. You left out an entire person.

King Mob wrote: »

http://www.euinfo.ie/uploads/file/LT2-plus-p7-rural-small.pdf

Maybe you should discuss the magic subliminal messages in this one?

That's a great link, reminding us all that caricatures equal politics.

niallk

Undergod wrote: »

You left out 4 hands. You left out an entire person.

The four hands I left out were part of the most obvious letter "Y".
The person I left out is basically a green tick.

Undergod

It goes deeper than any of you have realized!!!:rolleyes:


The Referrendum Commission are NWO puppets!

and maybe they're behind...


they could be attempting to intorduce the legalization of cannabis to help placate the sheeple


You can also clearly see advertising in the face of the man in the cap, proving the Dept of Foreign Affairs have sold out to the German businesses already


If you take the main sppech bubble, you'll notice in the bottom right corner there is a trianlge (an NWO/Masonic symbol). If you bisect the base of this triangle (where it touches the speech bubble) and draw line through the apex, it clearly points to one figure... one figure with his hand raised!


What I want to know is


Are they trying to warn us about this man? or all the people with their hands raised?



Maybe it's all just a load of

niallk

Fun game, isn't it?
You have to admit though the "Y" is pretty blatent.

Undergod

No I don't.

smokingman

I think this is a bloody disgrace!
Where are the representatives from the NO! campaign in this thing?

I see absolutely no paedophiles, terrorists, communists or american military neo-cons on there!

Bloody disgrace! :mad:

Riamfada

Is there a reason they all look like Hitlers!!!!

6th

smokingman wrote: »

I think this is a bloody disgrace!
Where are the representatives from the NO! campaign in this thing?

I see absolutely no paedophiles, terrorists, communists or american military neo-cons on there!

Bloody disgrace! :mad:

Suggesting that anyone who would vote NO is one of the things you listed is blatant trolling. Have yourself an infraction.