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Call to all Irish people!

  • 15-09-2009 8:25pm
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    In that post i want say that it:

    You are last chance for freedom.

    In the message i show you TRUE Lisbon Treaty. A totalitarian monster document.

    Sorry for English.

    Let's start - SHOW MUST GO ON.

    1. EU in YOUR Irish names can take interantional contracts. Read that:

    "
    Article 216

    1. The Union may conclude an agreement with one or more third countries or international organisations where the Treaties so provide or where the conclusion of an agreement is necessary in order to achieve, within the framework of the Union's policies, one of the objectives referred to in the Treaties, or is provided for in a legally binding Union act or is likely to affect common rules or alter their scope.

    2. Agreements concluded by the Union are binding upon the institutions of the Union and on its Member States."

    2. That's only start. Look next. Our constitution's go to past. European law supremacy:

    " 17. Declaration concerning primacy

    The Conference recalls that, in accordance with well settled case law of the Court of Justice of the European Union, the Treaties and the law adopted by the Union on the basis of the Treaties have primacy over the law of Member States, under the conditions laid down by the said case law.

    The Conference has also decided to attach as an Annex to this Final Act the Opinion of the Council Legal Service on the primacy of EC law as set out in 11197/07 (JUR 260):
    "Opinion of the Council Legal Service
    of 22 June 2007

    It results from the case-law of the Court of Justice that primacy of EC law is a cornerstone principle of Community law. According to the Court, this principle is inherent to the specific nature of the European Community. At the time of the first judgment of this established case law (Costa/ENEL,15 July 1964, Case 6/641) there was no mention of primacy in the treaty. It is still the case today. The fact that the principle of primacy will not be included in the future treaty shall not in any way change the existence of the principle and the existing case-law of the Court of Justice."






    3.Union decide about national parlaments.

    "
    Article 12
    National Parliaments contribute actively to the good functioning of the Union:

    (a) through being informed by the institutions of the Union and having draft legislative acts of the Union forwarded to them in accordance with the Protocol on the role of national Parliaments in the European Union;

    (b) by seeing to it that the principle of subsidiarity is respected in accordance with the procedures provided for in the Protocol on the application of the principles of subsidiarity and proportionality;

    (c) by taking part, within the framework of the area of freedom, security and justice, in the evaluation mechanisms for the implementation of the Union policies in that area, in accordance with Article 70 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, and through being involved in the political monitoring of Europol and the evaluation of Eurojust's activities in accordance with Articles 88 and 85 of that Treaty;

    (d) by taking part in the revision procedures of the Treaties, in accordance with Article 48 of this Treaty;

    (e) by being notified of applications for accession to the Union, in accordance with Article 49 of this Treaty;

    (f) by taking part in the inter‑parliamentary cooperation between national Parliaments and with the European Parliament, in accordance with the Protocol on the role of national Parliaments in the European Union."


    4. 18 commisares decided about all Union. Commision is new gouvernament. Commision is uneligible. Union don't give you a Constant Commisar. That lie, becouse that not be ratification in all countries.



    "
    Article 17
    1. The Commission shall promote the general interest of the Union and take appropriate initiatives to that end. It shall ensure the application of the Treaties, and of measures adopted by the institutions pursuant to them. It shall oversee the application of Union law under the control of the Court of Justice of the European Union. It shall execute the budget and manage programmes. It shall exercise coordinating, executive and management functions, as laid down in the Treaties. With the exception of the common foreign and security policy, and other cases provided for in the Treaties, it shall ensure the Union's external representation. It shall initiate the Union's annual and multiannual programming with a view to achieving interinstitutional agreements.

    2. Union legislative acts may only be adopted on the basis of a Commission proposal, except where the Treaties provide otherwise. Other acts shall be adopted on the basis of a Commission proposal where the Treaties so provide.

    3. The Commission's term of office shall be five years.

    The members of the Commission shall be chosen on the ground of their general competence and European commitment from persons whose independence is beyond doubt.
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    In carrying out its responsibilities, the Commission shall be completely independent. Without prejudice to Article 18(2), the members of the Commission shall neither seek nor take instructions from any Government or other institution, body, office or entity. They shall refrain from any action incompatible with their duties or the performance of their tasks.

    4. The Commission appointed between the date of entry into force of the Treaty of Lisbon and 31 October 2014, shall consist of one national of each Member State, including its President and the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy who shall be one of its Vice-Presidents.

    5. As from 1 November 2014, the Commission shall consist of a number of members, including its President and the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, corresponding to two thirds of the number of Member States, unless the European Council, acting unanimously, decides to alter this number.

    The members of the Commission shall be chosen from among the nationals of the Member States on the basis of a system of strictly equal rotation between the Member States, reflecting the demographic and geographical range of all the Member States. This system shall be established unanimously by the European Council in accordance with Article 244 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

    6. The President of the Commission shall:

    (a) lay down guidelines within which the Commission is to work;

    (b) decide on the internal organisation of the Commission, ensuring that it acts consistently, efficiently and as a collegiate body;

    (c) appoint Vice-Presidents, other than the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, from among the members of the Commission.

    A member of the Commission shall resign if the President so requests. The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy shall resign, in accordance with the procedure set out in Article 18(1), if the President so requests.
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    7. Taking into account the elections to the European Parliament and after having held the appropriate consultations, the European Council, acting by a qualified majority, shall propose to the European Parliament a candidate for President of the Commission. This candidate shall be elected by the European Parliament by a majority of its component members. If he does not obtain the required majority, the European Council, acting by a qualified majority, shall within one month propose a new candidate who shall be elected by the European Parliament following the same procedure.

    The Council, by common accord with the President-elect, shall adopt the list of the other persons whom it proposes for appointment as members of the Commission. They shall be selected, on the basis of the suggestions made by Member States, in accordance with the criteria set out in paragraph 3, second subparagraph, and paragraph 5, second subparagraph.

    The President, the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy and the other members of the Commission shall be subject as a body to a vote of consent by the European Parliament. On the basis of this consent the Commission shall be appointed by the European Council, acting by a qualified majority.

    8. The Commission, as a body, shall be responsible to the European Parliament. In accordance with Article 234 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, the European Parliament may vote on a motion of censure of the Commission. If such a motion is carried, the members of the Commission shall resign as a body and the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy shall resign from the duties that he carries out in the Commission.


    5. Now... foreign politic.

    Article 24
    (ex Article 11 TEU- lie!)

    1. The Union's competence in matters of common foreign and security policy shall cover all areas of foreign policy and all questions relating to the Union's security, including the progressive framing of a common defence policy that might lead to a common defence.

    The common foreign and security policy is subject to specific rules and procedures. It shall be defined and implemented by the European Council and the Council acting unanimously, except where the Treaties provide otherwise. The adoption of legislative acts shall be excluded. The common foreign and security policy shall be put into effect by the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy and by Member States, in accordance with the Treaties. The specific role of the European Parliament and of the Commission in this area is defined by the Treaties. The Court of Justice of the European Union shall not have jurisdiction with respect to these provisions, with the exception of its jurisdiction to monitor compliance with Article 40 of this Treaty and to review the legality of certain decisions as provided for by the second paragraph of Article 275 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
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    2. Within the framework of the principles and objectives of its external action, the Union shall conduct, define and implement a common foreign and security policy, based on the development of mutual political solidarity among Member States, the identification of questions of general interest and the achievement of an ever-increasing degree of convergence of Member States' actions.

    3. The Member States shall support the Union's external and security policy actively and unreservedly in a spirit of loyalty and mutual solidarity and shall comply with the Union's action in this area.

    The Member States shall work together to enhance and develop their mutual political solidarity. They shall refrain from any action which is contrary to the interests of the Union or likely to impair its effectiveness as a cohesive force in international relations.

    The Council and the High Representative shall ensure compliance with these principles.


    Foregin politic? Yes! But only in Union interest!!!


    "
    Article 34
    (ex Article 19 TEU - little lie(two but very important words was changed))

    1. Member States shall coordinate their action in international organisations and at international conferences. They shall uphold the Union's positions in such forums. The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy shall organise this coordination.

    In international organisations and at international conferences where not all the Member States participate, those which do take part shall uphold the Union's positions.

    2. In accordance with Article 24(3), Member States represented in international organisations or international conferences where not all the Member States participate shall keep the other Member States and the High Representative informed of any matter of common interest.

    Member States which are also members of the United Nations Security Council will concert and keep the other Member States and the High Representative fully informed. Member States which are members of the Security Council will, in the execution of their functions, defend the positions and the interests of the Union, without prejudice to their responsibilities under the provisions of the United Nations Charter.

    When the Union has defined a position on a subject which is on the United Nations Security Council agenda, those Member States which sit on the Security Council shall request that the High Representative be invited to present the Union's position.





    Foregin politic - only on the Union line!!


    6. New competention for Union. All competention of national state. That's loongggg post, that looong point ;) In real thats not fun.

    "
    Article 3
    1. The Union shall have exclusive competence in the following areas:

    (a) customs union;

    (b) the establishing of the competition rules necessary for the functioning of the internal market;

    (c) monetary policy for the Member States whose currency is the euro;

    (d) the conservation of marine biological resources under the common fisheries policy;

    (e) common commercial policy.

    2. The Union shall also have exclusive competence for the conclusion of an international agreement when its conclusion is provided for in a legislative act of the Union or is necessary to enable the Union to exercise its internal competence, or in so far as its conclusion may affect common rules or alter their scope.
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    Article 4
    1. The Union shall share competence with the Member States where the Treaties confer on it a competence which does not relate to the areas referred to in Articles 3 and 6.

    2. Shared competence between the Union and the Member States applies in the following principal areas:

    (a) internal market;

    (b) social policy, for the aspects defined in this Treaty;

    (c) economic, social and territorial cohesion;

    (d) agriculture and fisheries, excluding the conservation of marine biological resources;

    (e) environment;

    (f) consumer protection;

    (g) transport;

    (h) trans-European networks;

    (i) energy;

    (j) area of freedom, security and justice;

    (k) common safety concerns in public health matters, for the aspects defined in this Treaty.

    3. In the areas of research, technological development and space, the Union shall have competence to carry out activities, in particular to define and implement programmes; however, the exercise of that competence shall not result in Member States being prevented from exercising theirs.
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    4. In the areas of development cooperation and humanitarian aid, the Union shall have competence to carry out activities and conduct a common policy; however, the exercise of that competence shall not result in Member States being prevented from exercising theirs.

    Article 5
    1. The Member States shall coordinate their economic policies within the Union. To this end, the Council shall adopt measures, in particular broad guidelines for these policies.

    Specific provisions shall apply to those Member States whose currency is the euro.

    2. The Union shall take measures to ensure coordination of the employment policies of the Member States, in particular by defining guidelines for these policies.

    3. The Union may take initiatives to ensure coordination of Member States' social policies.

    Article 6

    The Union shall have competence to carry out actions to support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States. The areas of such action shall, at European level, be:

    (a) protection and improvement of human health;

    (b) industry;

    (c) culture;

    (d) tourism;

    (e) education, vocational training, youth and sport;

    (f) civil protection;

    (g) administrative cooperation.


    In real all that competention will be lose, becouse:

    Article 4 (another article 4 - for another treaty, but who will be law)


    3. 3. Pursuant to the principle of sincere cooperation, the Union and the Member States shall, in full mutual respect, assist each other in carrying out tasks which flow from the Treaties.

    The Member States shall take any appropriate measure, general or particular, to ensure fulfilment of the obligations arising out of the Treaties or resulting from the acts of the institutions of the Union.

    The Member States shall facilitate the achievement of the Union's tasks and refrain from any measure which could jeopardise the attainment of the Union's objectives.
    !

    7. President of Europe.


    5. The European Council shall elect its President, by a qualified majority, for a term of two and a half years, renewable once. In the event of an impediment or serious misconduct, the European Council can end the President's term of office in accordance with the same procedure.

    6. The President of the European Council:

    (a) shall chair it and drive forward its work;

    (b) shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council in cooperation with the President of the Commission, and on the basis of the work of the General Affairs Council;

    (c) shall endeavour to facilitate cohesion and consensus within the European Council;

    (d) shall present a report to the European Parliament after each of the meetings of the European Council.

    The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy, without prejudice to the powers of the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.

    The President of the European Council shall not hold a national office.


    8. Army of Europe - Euroarmy. All section two. That is that what i say:



    " 3. Member States shall make civilian and military capabilities available to the Union for the implementation of the common security and defence policy, to contribute to the objectives defined by the Council. Those Member States which together establish multinational forces may also make them available to the common security and defence policy.

    Member States shall undertake progressively to improve their military capabilities. The Agency in the field of defence capabilities development, research, acquisition and armaments (hereinafter referred to as "the European Defence Agency") shall identify operational requirements, shall promote measures to satisfy those requirements, shall contribute to identifying and, where appropriate, implementing any measure needed to strengthen the industrial and technological base of the defence sector, shall participate in defining a European capabilities and armaments policy, and shall assist the Council in evaluating the improvement of military capabilities.


    9. Politcal controled policy!!


    "
    Article 88
    (ex Article 30 TEU)
    1. Europol's mission shall be to support and strengthen action by the Member States' police authorities and other law enforcement services and their mutual cooperation in preventing and combating serious crime affecting two or more Member States, terrorism and forms of crime which affect a common interest covered by a Union policy.

    2. The European Parliament and the Council, by means of regulations adopted in accordance with the ordinary legislative procedure, shall determine Europol's structure, operation, field of action and tasks. These tasks may include:

    (a) the collection, storage, processing, analysis and exchange of information, in particular that forwarded by the authorities of the Member States or third countries or bodies;

    (b) the coordination, organisation and implementation of investigative and operational action carried out jointly with the Member States' competent authorities or in the context of joint investigative teams, where appropriate in liaison with Eurojust.

    These regulations shall also lay down the procedures for scrutiny of Europol's activities by the European Parliament, together with national Parliaments.
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    3. Any operational action by Europol must be carried out in liaison and in agreement with the authorities of the Member State or States whose territory is concerned. The application of coercive measures shall be the exclusive responsibility of the competent national authorities.


    and:





    Article 12
    National Parliaments contribute actively to the good functioning of the Union:

    (c) by taking part, within the framework of the area of freedom, security and justice, in the evaluation mechanisms for the implementation of the Union policies in that area, in accordance with Article 70 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, and through being involved in the political monitoring of Europol and the evaluation of Eurojust's activities in accordance with Articles 88 and 85 of that Treaty;


    10. Power.

    Article 288
    (ex Article 249 TEC)

    To exercise the Union's competences, the institutions shall adopt regulations, directives, decisions, recommendations and opinions.

    A regulation shall have general application. It shall be binding in its entirety and directly applicable in all Member States.

    A directive shall be binding, as to the result to be achieved, upon each Member State to which it is addressed, but shall leave to the national authorities the choice of form and methods.

    A decision shall be binding in its entirety. A decision which specifies those to whom it is addressed shall be binding only on them.

    Recommendations and opinions shall have no binding force.


    11. Death penalty. Look c!



    (a) Article 2(2) of the ECHR:

    "Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this article
    when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:

    (a) in defence of any person from unlawful violence;
    (b) in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully
    detained;
    !(c) in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection."!

    (b) Article 2 of Protocol No 6 to the ECHR:

    "A State may make provision in its law for the death penalty in respect of acts
    committed in time of war or of imminent threat of war; such penalty shall be applied
    only in the instances laid down in the law and in accordance with its provisions…"




    12. We can leave the Union...

    Article 50
    1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

    2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.
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    3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

    4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

    A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

    5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.


    ...IF UNION ACCEPT THAT.


    13. Central Planning.

    Article 43
    (ex Article 37 TEC - 3 is wrote only in lisbon treaty.)
    3. The Council, on a proposal from the Commission, shall adopt measures on fixing prices, levies, aid and quantitative limitations and on the fixing and allocation of fishing opportunities.


    That's a only few articles. I can give you more.


    For you, and our FREEDOM, VOTE NO! NO ! NO ! NO !


    NO FOR EU SUPERSTATEMENT!

    This is a consolidated text of all 3 treates (real constitution is not only lisbon treaty)
















Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    I really hope this isn't going to be "vote in the particular way I want you to even though we didn't bother requiring a referendum ourselves in our constitution" week.

    This is a discussion forum, not Speakers Corner in Hyde Park. There's already a "vote in the particular way I want you to even though we didn't bother requiring a referendum ourselves in our constitution" thread down the page.

    I'm being curt I know but please check to see if there's an existing thread discussing what you want to pimp - this isn't a noticeboard. That obviously applies to supporters of both sides of the discussion - a quick check isn't requiring you to make much of an effort.


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