When Abortions became illegal in ireland

slade_x

I have to say i never cared for the subject but im curious when they became illegal in this country originally and why they still are today.

Im only thinking about this now because a good friend of my sisters became pregnant a while back, when it first happened she didnt want it to happen at all but couldnt get an abortion here, she even pursued the option of travelling to england to get it done but couldnt, so it turned out that she learned to live with it. up until recently she was quite excited about having it, during the week though however she had a miscarriage and is now devastated.

Right now i cant understand why its not legal here up to a certain point of course, and i sure as hell would never interfere with someones choice as i feel its theirs to make. this is really more of a rant than anything else i suppose.

PomBear

Well some people, myself included believe it to be murder.

Sulmac

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

(someone had to say it)

PomBear

PomBear wrote: »

Well some people, myself included believe it to be murder.

If abortion is murder, then blowjobs are cannibalism and masturbation is mass genocide.

Nevyn

http://www.ifpa.ie/index.php/eng/Media-Info-Centre/Ireland%E2%80%99s-Sexual-and-Reproductive-Health-History

Offences Against the Person Act 1861 criminalises women who "procure a miscarriage". The punishment is penal servitude for life. The Act also makes it crime to help a woman "procure a miscarriage". The punishment is penal servitude for three years. These criminal laws remain on the Irish Statute books and are interpreted to criminalise abortion in all circumstances. Subsequent amendments to the Constitution and court cases have interpreted further the dimensions of abortion, however, the 1861 Act remains the basis of criminal law on abortion in Ireland.

There you go.

PomBear

Deleted User wrote: »

If abortion is murder, then blowjobs are cannibalism and masturbation is mass genocide.

Pretty ignorant statement to many peoples strong belief.

afatbollix

I think the choice should be there for people who need it...

The law isent stopping them getting on a plane or the boat...

IBTL...

BaconZombie

And you calling it murder is not!?!?!?

PomBear wrote: »

Pretty ignorant statement to many peoples strong belief.

Edit:

IBTL

PirateShampoo

PomBear wrote: »

Pretty ignorant statement to many peoples strong belief.

And that ignorant statment works both ways.

Adamcp898

IBTL

Post count ftw

yada yada yada Mary Harney

PomBear

PomBear wrote: »

Pretty ignorant statement to many peoples strong belief.

I think you have it the wrong way around.They are ignorant of my strong beliefs.;)

Edit:why are ye all saying IBTL? Stop derailing the thread.

ziggy23

I don't agree with it at all and I think if it was legal here people would start using it like the morning after pill.

MagicMarker

PomBear wrote: »

Pretty ignorant statement to many peoples strong belief.

Those people are idiots.

PomBear

PirateShampoo wrote: »

And that ignorant statment works both ways.

No because i'd gladly and peacefully debate with a pro choice believer on all aspects without resorting to childish jokes

Biggins

A topic for maybe here? http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=21

This one will clearly go nowhere good fast.

samson09

PomBear wrote: »

Well some people, myself included believe it to be murder.

That's because thats exactly what it is.

If you f*ck up, you deal with the consequences.

I do think tho that people who have been raped should have a choice, upto a certain stage in development. It's only fair.

PirateShampoo

PomBear wrote: »

No because i'd gladly and peacefully debate with a pro choice believer on all aspects without resorting to childish jokes

I wasn't making a joke, why is he ignorant for believing in the opposite to you?

PomBear

PomBear wrote: »

No because i'd gladly and peacefully debate with a pro choice believer on all aspects without resorting to childish jokes

What if I find it childish that you call it murder?

PirateShampoo

samson09 wrote: »

That's because thats exactly what it is.

If you f*ck up, you deal with the consequences.

I do think tho that people who have been raped should have a choice, upto a certain stage in development. It's only fair.

But thats hypocritical isn't it?

samson09

Deleted User wrote: »

What if I find it childish that you call it murder?

Then, my dear friend, you are an idiot.

MagicMarker

samson09 wrote: »

That's because thats exactly what it is.

If you f*ck up, you deal with the consequences.

I do think tho that people who have been raped should have a choice, upto a certain stage in development. It's only fair.

So it's okay to kill a ''baby'' when it's father is a rapist?

Jesus, you lot are like vegetarians who eat fish & eggs.

PomBear

PirateShampoo wrote: »

I wasn't making a joke, why is he ignorant for believing in the opposite to you?

he's not being ignorant for believing in the opposite, he's ignorant for putting it in such a childish way with view to causing humour out of a topic people on both sides have strong feelings about

afatbollix

wheres that ban hammer


O wait im not a mod:rolleyes:

samson09

PirateShampoo wrote: »

But thats hypocritical isn't it?

Emmm.....no.

If something happens thats not your fault, you should have a choice.

If you couldnt be arsed bothering with a johnny, tough sh*t. Deal with it.

MagicMarker

samson09 wrote: »

Emmm.....no.

If something happens thats not your fault, you should have a choice.

If you couldnt be arsed bothering with a johnny, tough sh*t. Deal with it.

What if protection was used and is ineffective? Is it okay to kill then?

Coriolanus

Personally I think that everyone should be sterilised before hitting puberty and only get their sexcells back after passing rigourous examination of parental abilities, but failing that, abortions are a valid option.
Unfortunately, it's been shown that religion is found in an overwhelming ration in the lower socio-economic stratas, somewhat dampening the effects that free and easy access to abortion would have on birth rates.

samson09

MagicMarker wrote: »

What if protection was used and is ineffective? Is it okay to kill then?

IMO, no. People know most contraceptives arent 100% effective.

Buy the ticket, take the ride.

PirateShampoo

MagicMarker wrote: »

What if protection was used and is ineffective? Is it okay to kill then?

Or if uve just mated with a minger and have a strong suspicion uve just conceived the Anti-Christ!

Is it ok then?

MagicMarker

samson09 wrote: »

IMO, no. People know most contraceptives arent 100% effective.

Buy the ticket, take the ride.

But it's not their fault it didn't work. Therefore by your logic they should have a choice.

MikeC101

I don't really get the "abortions are murder unless it was rape" mindset.

Surely, if you believe that it's murder to abort a foetus, then it's murder regardless of how said foetus was conceived?

Or is it still seen as murder?

samson09

samson09 wrote: »

Then, my dear friend, you are an idiot.

Careful now.;)

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Oh no... not the abortion thread again...

WHY??? WHY GOD DAMN IT!!!

Dudess

samson09 wrote: »

Emmm.....no.

If something happens thats not your fault, you should have a choice.

If you couldnt be arsed bothering with a johnny, tough sh*t. Deal with it.

But how does that make it not murder? Rape or no rape resulting in pregnancy, abortion is still the same thing.

Horsefumbler

wait till the baby is old enough to talk and then ask him if would mind being aborted thats the only fair way. but of course its also impossible as you'd have to have the baby to do it and therein lies the problem....

candy-gal1

ziggy23 wrote: »

I don't agree with it at all and I think if it was legal here people would start using it like the morning after pill.

not so much as it costs 700-1000 euros lol

samson09

MagicMarker wrote: »

So it's okay to kill a ''baby'' when it's father is a rapist?

Jesus, you lot are like vegetarians who eat fish & eggs.

I dont think its ever ok to kill a "baby" and I'm sure many people who have had abortions are haunted for the rest of their lives.

I do think that in extreme circumstances (ie rape) a women should have the right to do whatever she wants.

However, many people who have abortions often say that they felt their "circumstances" werent good enough (ie didnt want to be tied down with a child at an early stage of their life). IMO, this is BS and these people should be put against a wall and shot.

ludwit

Abortion is an unfortunate necessity.

ziggy23

candy-gal1 wrote: »

not so much as it costs 700-1000 euros lol

Well you would get idiots who think that it would be worth it rather than 'ruin their life' :rolleyes:

deecom

PomBear wrote: »

Well some people, myself included believe it to be murder.

Well i dont believe what you people believe. There should be a right to choose. Therefore abortion should be legal. But the original question has been answered so lets move along......

samson09

samson09 wrote: »

I dont think its ever ok to kill a "baby" and I'm sure many people who have had abortions are haunted for the rest of their lives.

I do think that in extreme circumstances (ie rape) a women should have the right to do whatever she wants.

However, many people who have abortions often say that they felt their "circumstances" werent good enough (ie didnt want to be tied down with a child at an early stage of their life). IMO, this is BS and these people should be put against a wall and shot.

I think you would go down well in North Korea.

994

Deleted User wrote: »

If abortion is murder, then blowjobs are cannibalism and masturbation is mass genocide.

Not really, as sperm are not organisms, they are just body cells. And many people who are anti-abortion have no problem with terminating a zygote (single cell) or an early embryo (a clump of cells without a brain).

samson09 wrote: »

That's because thats exactly what it is.

If you f*ck up, you deal with the consequences.

I do think tho that people who have been raped should have a choice, upto a certain stage in development. It's only fair.

I dunno about rape. Either the unborn child is or is not a human, and the method by which sperm entered his/her mother is not the baby's fault and should not impact on whether the foetus/embryo is a human being or not.

PirateShampoo

samson09 wrote: »

I dont think its ever ok to kill a "baby" and I'm sure many people who have had abortions are haunted for the rest of their lives.

I do think that in extreme circumstances (ie rape) a women should have the right to do whatever she wants.

However, many people who have abortions often say that they felt their "circumstances" werent good enough (ie didnt want to be tied down with a child at an early stage of their life). IMO, this is BS and these people should be put against a wall and shot.

So murder for some, ok for others?

candy-gal1

samson09 wrote: »

I dont think its ever ok to kill a "baby" and I'm sure many people who have had abortions are haunted for the rest of their lives.

I do think that in extreme circumstances (ie rape) a women should have the right to do whatever she wants.

However, many people who have abortions often say that they felt their "circumstances" werent good enough (ie didnt want to be tied down with a child at an early stage of their life). IMO, this is BS and these people should be put against a wall and shot.

no no never! :mad: i mean if you just dont use anything then it is your fault but if u use everything and it happens you should be let get rid!!
and btw has everyone forgotton that you can have it and get adopted??!! sounds like a beter option than killing it or keeping it to me!

Sharpshooter

samson09 wrote: »

Then, my dear friend, you are an idiot.

Don't resort to personal abuse.
Banned.

PomBear

deecom wrote: »

Well i dont believe what you people believe. There should be a right to choose. Therefore abortion should be legal. But the original question has been answered so lets move along......

but why should one person have the right to terminate another life? lets discuss it in a mature manner, those who discuss in an immature matter are immature, simple

PirateShampoo

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Don't resort to personal abuse.
Banned.

You mean Aborted

MrStuffins

Instead of calling each other idiots, i'd like to ask a (perhaps silly) question to those who believe abortion is murder.

Obviously **** isnt murder, so at what point DOES it become murder, to kill the sperm after it has fertilised an egg is murder? Is that right?

The question really is, at what point does the killing of this "seed" or whatever become murder?

Max Power1

PirateShampoo wrote: »

So murder for some, ok for others?

Abortions for some, tiny US flags for others

ziggy23

MrStuffins wrote: »

Instead of calling each other idiots, i'd like to ask a (perhaps silly) question to those who believe abortion is murder.

Obviously **** isnt murder, so at what point DOES it become murder, but to kill the sperm after it has fertilised an egg is murder? Is that right?

The question really is, at what point does it become murder?

well sperm on it's own does not make a baby so I'd say when it's fertilised an egg

MikeC101

PomBear wrote: »

but why should one person have the right to terminate another life? lets discuss it in a mature manner, those who discuss in an immature matter are immature, simple

Just to get an idea, given that you've stated you consider abortion to be murder, do you think abortion should be allowed in the case of rape?

Max Power1

MrStuffins wrote: »

Instead of calling each other idiots, i'd like to ask a (perhaps silly) question to those who believe abortion is murder.

Obviously **** isnt murder, so at what point DOES it become murder, to kill the sperm after it has fertilised an egg is murder? Is that right?

The question really is, at what point does the killing of this "seed" or whatever become murder?

plus a million!!!