Kerry win all ireland hurling

djmc

Look out kilkenny kerry have started playing hurling
http://www.kerrygaa.ie/

DDC1990

Brilliant, and thats to go with the Minor B All Ireland.

soccymonster

LOL!
Watch out kilkenny is right .

grenache

Lads, dont be making fun. This victory represents good progress for hurling in Kerry. There are some seriously good hurlers in Kerry. The problem being that the hurling pocket in North Kerry is just not big enough. It is however, a very intense hurling area. In places like Ballyheigue, Causeway, Abbeydorney, Lixnaw, etc, there is hurling, hurling, and little else. They wouldn't even look at a football. If the same amount of time and effort was invested in hurling that's is put into football in the county, we would have 6 strong hurling counties in Munster. Offaly have a similar size hurling base to Kerry, and they've won 4 All Irelands in the last 28 years. No reason Kerry shouldn't be aiming to match this success.

Dapos

Well done to them.

DDC1990

@grenache

This is true. And the main problem is that a lot of the best hurlers in Kerry wont actually play for the Senior Hurling team. They play only for their club. Not sure of the reasons behind this, but it must have something to do with the intense rivalry between clubs.
Causway hate Ballyduff. Lixnaw hate Crotta... everyone hates Kilmoyley (the Kilkenny of Kerry hurling).
Whats great is that the guys coming through at underage don't harbour that same hate and are willing to play with rival clubmen.
But the future is bright for Kerry Hurling.
Players like Pádraig Boyle at minor (he's only 15!) scoring 2-5 or 2-6 every game.
Or Darragh O'Connell and James Flaherty at U-21 are only 18 and 19.
Both have played senior hurling for their clubs for the last 3 years.

helpisontheway

Causeway Comprehensive also won the All Ireland A u16 vocational schools hurling title beating teams from Tipp,Galway and Cork on the way.
Kerry has produced some class hurlers down through the years who would make most top class hurling teams,ie.John Mike Dooley,Shane Brick,Michael Conway,Mike Boxer Slattery etc.The problem is they get very little recognition in Kerry due to football.
In relation to the rivalary between clubs stopping them playing with Kerry i feel that has stopped to an extent.I have always felt that the social aspect of senior hurling in north kerry takes precident over training and matches etc.Year in year out we hear guys saying they are off the drink for the championship and are going to train really hard for it!:D They just dont understand that 8-12 weeks of training isnt going to cut it,it takes years of dedication for at least 9/10 months of the year!

Orizio

All thanks to the Kerry Minors playing Premier Minor Club Championship in Cork. :pac:

Should happen in more counties.

DDC1990

Orizio wrote: »

All thanks to the Kerry Minors playing Premier Minor Club Championship in Cork. :pac:

Should happen in more counties.

This is true. I'm open to Correction here but there was no Vocational Schools Hurling championship in Kerry last year, as only Causeway and my own school were interested. So we entered the Cork Vocational Schools "C" championship and ended up winning it.
It was v.tough (yes even the Cork C championship is tougher then anything Kerry can provide) but brilliant to be able to play hurling at a much higher level available to us in our own county. And there's nothing more satisfying then beating the rebels at their "own" game :P

DublinDes

Orizio wrote: »

All thanks to the Kerry Minors playing Premier Minor Club Championship in Cork. :pac:

Should happen in more counties.

That's interesting. I believe that hurling clubs in north Down play in the Antrim Co. championship.

netwhizkid

Hurling is very active in South East Kerry also particularly in Kenmare and Kilgarvan, Kilgarvan in 2007 became the first Kerry club ever to win a Club championship game representing Kerry in the Munster Junior Club Championship, the equalled that success in 2008 and went onto the Munster Final the first Kerry club to make a Munster Final ever.

Football is still where it is always though, Hurling is being abandoned is droves in Kerry for football coinciding with the successes of our Senior Team and the collapse of Hurling as a competitive sport. In 50 years time Hurling will be a game fondly remembered in the likes of the GAA Museum, the sport is dying and it went from its peak in the 90's when teams like Clare and Offaly were winning All-Irelands to its lowest ebb yet with Kilkenny winning 7 all-Ireland's in decade with no meaningful opposition bar this years challenge from Tipp and a Cork team which had they been unified would have won alot more.

Orizio

netwhizkid wrote: »

Hurling is very active in South East Kerry also particularly in Kenmare and Kilgarvan, Kilgarvan in 2007 became the first Kerry club ever to win a Club championship game representing Kerry in the Munster Junior Club Championship, the equalled that success in 2008 and went onto the Munster Final the first Kerry club to make a Munster Final ever.

Football is still where it is always though, Hurling is being abandoned is droves in Kerry for football coinciding with the successes of our Senior Team and the collapse of Hurling as a competitive sport. In 50 years time Hurling will be a game fondly remembered in the likes of the GAA Museum, the sport is dying and it went from its peak in the 90's when teams like Clare and Offaly were winning All-Irelands to its lowest ebb yet with Kilkenny winning 7 all-Ireland's in decade with no meaningful opposition bar this years challenge from Tipp and a Cork team which had they been unified would have won alot more.

If you say so. :rolleyes:

helpisontheway

Yes it seems to be an avenue that clubs in Kerry may have to go down by playing in other county leagues to improve standards.Camogie in Kerry has taken off in the last few years and thats a route they went down almost immediately.Its common sense really that if two avarage teams are playing against each other at best they will be average;playing teams just above your level on a regular basis can only bring improvement hense why the likes of Kilkenny,Cork etc dominate hurling.
I do think its a disgrace though that Kilkenny do nothing in relation to football as its the GAA not the HAA!Can you imagine the Kerry GAA having 4/5 extra football clubs to pick from along with 4/5 more dual clubs focusing only on football rather than promoting both.

MementoMori

There is at least a bit of a mini-boom in underage hurling in Killarney.
Nearly died of shock when I saw a picture of the Monastery (primary school in Killarney) hurling team in the Killarney Advertiser a few months back.

Was talking to someone about it after and they were saying that there was a lot of interest at underage in hurling. If hurling is going to develop in Kerry it will probably at least need some assistance outside the traditional areas.

In saying that it might be a while yet as one of my cousins was playing with St Pats against the Kilmoley B team in a junior game a while back and was saying that they got a bit hockeyed.:)

Flukey

North Kerry has always had strong hurling. Kerry have one senior All-Ireland, which they won in 1891. The current Kilkenny team have beaten 5 of the 6 Munster counties in the All-Ireland final in this decade. Maybe Kerry, could be the one to stop them next year. They should be playing in the Munster championship if must be said.

ShamoBuc

I hope it will be a good few years before Kerry play Tipp, Waterford, Cork.... in a championship match , otherwise it will put hurling in Kerry back even further than it did the last time.

Pride Fighter

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I hope it will be a good few years before Kerry play Tipp, Waterford, Cork.... in a championship match , otherwise it will put hurling in Kerry back even further than it did the last time.

Why would it put them back? Didnt they beat Waterford in the very recent past.

homerjay2005

good progress made this year, taking a step further in the christy ring is one, getting to the semi and taking it to a replay is progress. 2 all ireland titles at b level is also decent.

at all levels, we are never going to beat the likes of tipp and cork, but running limerick and clare to less than 10 points and being on a par with Laois and Antrim has to be a goal. sadly, it would take a massive effort to do that and i dont think it is there. i hope that we may have say 4/5 lads from each team that can progress to senior and win teh christy ring cup next year. we have some quality hurlers and if we keep some of these lads for 2 or 3 years, we may go somewhere. Shane Brick is the declan Browne of hurling, hed walk on alot of teams, defo cork and limercik who both wanted him. injuries have kept him quite last 3 years but he is still quality.

djmc

I think its great to see hurling in kerry
A lot of areas dont play it at all though when I went to school in knocknagoshel and castleisland which is north kerry I never once saw a hurley or never played a game of it

dungeon

Well done Kerry. Only problem is that Kerry is unfortunate to be in the strongest province for hurling with all the other counties being contenders - Cork, Waterford, Tipperary, Limerick and Clare. It's hard to shine when the competition is that good.

corcaigh07

great to see Kerry trying hard at hurling, shame the county board only seem interested in success as shown by the fixture clash with the footballers earlier in the year. hopefully kilkenny will try and up their performances in football in the near future.

suitcasepink

In fairness to them they do play a bit of good hurling.
They had a north kerry team in the camogie secondary schools munster final thing. We did beat them kinda bad but they had to play a few teams to get to it :pac:

And Pride Fighter when I read this thread I was only waiting for someone to post that... One of the worst days for waterford hurling..

helpisontheway

deise_girl wrote: »

In fairness to them they do play a bit of good hurling.
They had a north kerry team in the camogie secondary schools munster final thing. We did beat them kinda bad but they had to play a few teams to get to it :pac:

Yep Causeway Comprehensive once again and from talking to some of the people involved all the team are underage again this school season.

flahavaj

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Why would it put them back? Didnt they beat Waterford in the very recent past.

1993, a black day for Waterford hurling.:mad:

Pride Fighter

flahavaj wrote: »

1993, a black day for Waterford hurling.:mad:

We all have them. Dublin had one recently against Westmeath, look at us now:)

ShamoBuc

Great to see a hurling interest in Kerry, but were they to play in the Munster hurling championship it would do them no good at the momnet. I know Cork played Kerry ten or so years ago in Tralee and the Cork lads were told only to go for points and not to go for goals. They scored something like 27 points and Alam Browne sliced a shot and it went into the net. The Kerry manager thanked the Cork management for taking it easy. If kerry played in the Munster championship for the next few years how many similar situations would they find themselves in? What would a 'full tilt' Tipp side do to Kerry? If the continued development in underage is continued, let them play in the minor and under 21 grades first to gain more experience. If they continued to get hammered then obviously not a good idea, but if promise was shown then why not, baby steps though.

Flukey

It is up to them to get to that standard. They can take the videos of the big teams and see what they do, work on their own skills, take on some mid-division clubs from stronger counties, get some top coaches in and do lots of other things. It is important to have the right approach from the county board down to the ordinary players. There are plenty of lads in Kerry that would love to see Liam McCarthy being paraded through the streets of Killarney, Tralee and other Kerry towns, as Sam Maguire has. The Kerry and Kilkenny county boards could do a bit of swapping of coaches to get both counties to being dual counties. Before we know it, Sam Maguire will be in Kilkenny and Liam McCarthy in Tralee.

homerjay2005

Flukey wrote: »

Before we know it, Sam Maguire will be in Kilkenny and Liam McCarthy in Tralee.

kerry are better at hurling than Kilkenny are at football! IMO, kerry would be ranked 12/13th in the hurling range if all players were fully tuned in.

Het-Field

homerjay2005 wrote: »

kerry are better at hurling than Kilkenny are at football! IMO, kerry would be ranked 12/13th in the hurling range if all players were fully tuned in.

And if I had wheels Id be a wagon !

blackbelt

homerjay2005 wrote: »

kerry are better at hurling than Kilkenny are at football! IMO, kerry would be ranked 12/13th in the hurling range if all players were fully tuned in.

Lets see,

Kilkenny
Tipp
Waterford
Galway
Limerick
Dublin
Cork
Clare
Wexford
Antrim
Offaly
Laois
Carlow
Westmeath

There is 14 teams right there that are definitely better than Kerry so 15th would be place you'd be looking at with strong challenges from Down,London,Meath and Fingal (if they were an all year round team)

As for Kerry being better at hurling than Kilkenny at football,Kilkenny are ranked 33rd or 34th.I always wanted to know if Kilkenny could beat New York.

Tomthepost

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Great to see a hurling interest in Kerry, but were they to play in the Munster hurling championship it would do them no good at the momnet. I know Cork played Kerry ten or so years ago in Tralee and the Cork lads were told only to go for points and not to go for goals. They scored something like 27 points and Alam Browne sliced a shot and it went into the net. The Kerry manager thanked the Cork management for taking it easy. If kerry played in the Munster championship for the next few years how many similar situations would they find themselves in? What would a 'full tilt' Tipp side do to Kerry? If the continued development in underage is continued, let them play in the minor and under 21 grades first to gain more experience. If they continued to get hammered then obviously not a good idea, but if promise was shown then why not, baby steps though.

That sounds like bull to me. It wasn't an u-12 friendly game and Kerry hurling has a bit more pride then that.
Kerry wont get any better playing the teams they do in Christy Ring and division 2 (or is it 3 next year?)
Think of a talented young lad coming through the ranks in Kerry. Will he be dreaming of beating Carlow in Portlaoise in front of 200 people to win a Christy Ring Cup medal or would he prefer the chance to measure his skills against Cork in the first round of the Munster Championship? The sooner Kerry are left back in the better. They will suffer demoralising defeats no doubt for a few years but I am fairly sure it would benefit them in the long run and inspire them to improve.
Kerry are about 15th in the country at the moment. They took Carlow to a replay in the Christy Ring semi this year. Carlow won the final easily.
Traditionally Kerry would be 10th or 11th. For years there was four teams more or less on par (Laois, Dublin, Kerry Antrim)
These teams were no where near the top tier teams but way too good for anything else.
Remember it is only 2 years since Dublin beat Kerry in the Div 2 League final.

blackbelt

Tomthepost wrote: »

That sounds like bull to me. It wasn't an u-12 friendly game and Kerry hurling has a bit more pride then that.
Kerry wont get any better playing the teams they do in Christy Ring and division 2 (or is it 3 next year?)
Think of a talented young lad coming through the ranks in Kerry. Will he be dreaming of beating Carlow in Portlaoise in front of 200 people to win a Christy Ring Cup medal or would he prefer the chance to measure his skills against Cork in the first round of the Munster Championship? The sooner Kerry are left back in the better. They will suffer demoralising defeats no doubt for a few years but I am fairly sure it would benefit them in the long run and inspire them to improve.
Kerry are about 15th in the country at the moment. They took Carlow to a replay in the Christy Ring semi this year. Carlow won the final easily.
Traditionally Kerry would be 10th or 11th. For years there was four teams more or less on par (Laois, Dublin, Kerry Antrim)
These teams were no where near the top tier teams but way too good for anything else.
Remember it is only 2 years since Dublin beat Kerry in the Div 2 League final.

Not to say they couldn't break into the top ten but the GAA structure for the hurling championship only gives weaker teams something to play for rather than progressing to the next level.

I was annoyed that Westmeath couldn't compete in Leinster and the GAA wanted to relegate one team from the McCarthy Cup and replace them with Christy Ring Cup winners Carlow who should already be in Leinster and the McCarthy.

Until the GAA review the structures,Kerry hurling will probably be held back a bit longer.

adrian522

Until they win the Christy Ring Cup they shouldn't be competing in the Liam McCarthy, the last thing hurling needs is more one sided games in the championship

Tomthepost

adrian522 wrote: »

Until they win the Christy Ring Cup they shouldn't be competing in the Liam McCarthy, the last thing hurling needs is more one sided games in the championship

You must be from Kilkenny!
Young talented hurlers want to play against the best. Shane Brick from Kerry for instance deserves to play against the best. Gaelic Footballers are allowed that privilege so should hurlers.
One sided matches might not be in the interest of Kilkenny but is the only way to go for weaker counties.
I find this whole 'getting well beaten by stronger counties' arguement as lazy and it has also proven to be untrue. Since Kerry dropped out of the Liam McCarthy the county hurling team has regressed. Kerry would have considered Carlow, Wicklow Meath, Mayo, Derry, Down and Westmeath as cannon fodder. Not anymore.

suitcasepink

I kinda agree with adrian.
I mean if they can't beat the 2nd group of teams if they go into the top group they are just going to get beaten badly and thats not going to help Kerry hurling either. I think leave them in the Christy Ring and wait until they win it then see whats the next step.

It's all very well deserving something, there are many Waterford players and ex players that 'deserved' an all ireland medal, don't see other counties letting them win so they can get what they deserve do you?
Also on the note of having good players deservin gto play the top leval look at the lub championships. I'm sure their are players on their county teams in different countys who play intermediate with their club. Again i'm not 100% that this is in all countys but im sure its very likely.

But even after all this I think every county should be allowed play in their provenice and then if/when knocked out they have someway that the lesser countys go into the Christy ring and then others qualifiers.. Not really sure how this would work, just what i'd idealy like :pac:

rant over. :cool:

adrian522

Tomthepost wrote: »

You must be from Kilkenny!

Indeed I am!!

Tomthepost wrote: »

Young talented hurlers want to play against the best. Shane Brick from Kerry for instance deserves to play against the best. Gaelic Footballers are allowed that privilege so should hurlers.

They may want to play against the best, but it is of no benefit to anyone to have them in the top tier competition. In the Christy Ring they have a serious shot at winning something and if they win that competition its great for the county to have won something and they then get promoted to the top tier, similar to Carlow this year. This helps to gradually increase the standard of all counties and is how most sport operates. I much prefer this system to the current one in football where over 30 counties compete but realistically only 3 or 4 have a shot at Sam.

There are fewer top tier matches in hurling but almost all are meaningful and most games involve a team with a serious chance at being in Croke park in September.

Tomthepost wrote: »

One sided matches might not be in the interest of Kilkenny but is the only way to go for weaker counties.

One sided matches are in the interest of neither Kilkenny or Kerry or anybody else.

Tomthepost wrote: »

I find this whole 'getting well beaten by stronger counties' arguement as lazy and it has also proven to be untrue.

It has not proven to be untrue quite the opposite when you look at the progress made by Carlow, Westmeath and Dublin for example.

Tomthepost wrote: »

Since Kerry dropped out of the Liam McCarthy the county hurling team has regressed. Kerry would have considered Carlow, Wicklow Meath, Mayo, Derry, Down and Westmeath as cannon fodder. Not anymore.

That probably says more about the work being done in those other counties than it does about Kerry competing in the Christy Ring Cup. If they were that far ahead they would be winning or appearing in the final every year but they are not. The question must be asked is this the fault of the structures or are other counties progressing faster than Kerry?

feargale

netwhizkid wrote: »

Football is still where it is always though, Hurling is being abandoned is droves in Kerry for football coinciding with the successes of our Senior Team and the collapse of Hurling as a competitive sport. In 50 years time Hurling will be a game fondly remembered in the likes of the GAA Museum, the sport is dying and it went from its peak in the 90's when teams like Clare and Offaly were winning All-Irelands to its lowest ebb yet with Kilkenny winning 7 all-Ireland's in decade with no meaningful opposition bar this years challenge from Tipp and a Cork team which had they been unified would have won alot more.

People also said hurling was doomed when Tipp won 4/5 1961-65, and probably said it when Cork won 5/6 1941-46. However, I do agree that second chance championship has screwed all counties other than Ck, Kk and Tipp. Every significant soccer country has 2 club competitions, knockout and all play all. Time was when the GAA had the same. Now there is neither one nor the other.

ShamoBuc

feargale wrote: »

People also said hurling was doomed when Tipp won 4/5 1961-65, and probably said it when Cork won 5/6 1941-46. However, I do agree that second chance championship has screwed all counties other than Ck, Kk and Tipp. Every significant soccer country has 2 club competitions, knockout and all play all. Time was when the GAA had the same. Now there is neither one nor the other.

That's so 3 years ago fella...:pac:

feargale

ShamoBuc wrote: »

That's so 3 years ago fella...:pac:

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ShamoBuc

feargale wrote: »

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Zombie thread fella.....:D

feargale

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Zombie thread fella.....:D

I'm sorry. I have no idea what you mean or what point you are making.

ShamoBuc

feargale wrote: »

I'm sorry. I have no idea what you mean or what point you are making.

I was only pointing out that the last post before yours was over 3 years ago, hence a zombie thread - don't worry about it.

DDC1990

DDC1990 wrote: »

@grenache

This is true. And the main problem is that a lot of the best hurlers in Kerry wont actually play for the Senior Hurling team. They play only for their club. Not sure of the reasons behind this, but it must have something to do with the intense rivalry between clubs.
Causway hate Ballyduff. Lixnaw hate Crotta... everyone hates Kilmoyley (the Kilkenny of Kerry hurling).
Whats great is that the guys coming through at underage don't harbour that same hate and are willing to play with rival clubmen.
But the future is bright for Kerry Hurling.
Players like Pádraig Boyle at minor (he's only 15!) scoring 2-5 or 2-6 every game.
Or Darragh O'Connell and James Flaherty at U-21 are only 18 and 19.
Both have played senior hurling for their clubs for the last 3 years.

Every county has club rivalry to be fair. i think its due to the money and preparation invested in hurling by the respective county boards of the so called weaker counties