"No to Nuts" - Anti-Coir campaign

ixoy

Anyone else seen the Anti-Coir posters? I spotted a poster (attached to the post) giving one of the best reasons to vote "Yes" so far ... as a protest against Coir (apologies if it's been posted previously, but I couldn't find it in a search).

It came about thirty seconds after I had briefly entertained such an idea myself and put a smile on my face on my way home.

My name is URL

Yeah, it's fantastic that an important Treaty on the future of Europe is turning into a diluted mud slinging event for those on both sides.

*goes off to make some 'No to Campaign Posters' posters

meglome

The poster may make a good point but I don't think it helps the campaign. I will admit though it does amuse me to see the No campaigns tactics used against them.

jhegarty

ixoy wrote: »

Anyone else seen the Anti-Coir posters? I spotted a poster (attached to the post) giving one of the best reasons to vote "Yes" so far ... as a protest against Coir (apologies if it's been posted previously, but I couldn't find it in a search).

It came about thirty seconds after I had briefly entertained such an idea myself and put a smile on my face on my way home.

So to be clear.

Voting no as a protest to the government a bad thing

Voting yes as a protest to coir a good thing

Do I have this right ?

Daftendirekt

jhegarty wrote: »

So to be clear.

Voting no as a protest to the government a bad thing

Voting yes as a protest to coir a good thing

Do I have this right ?

Nope.

Mario007

jhegarty wrote: »

So to be clear.

Voting no as a protest to the government a bad thing

Voting yes as a protest to coir a good thing

Do I have this right ?

none of the above is right of course. but its quite funny seeing the same tactics used against coir. though i wouldn't go as far as to say 'vote no to shut coir up' kind of stuff.

btw speaking of posters why arent there any of posters saying 'keep our commissioner, vote yes'?

Wacker

My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah, it's fantastic that an important Treaty on the future of Europe is turning into a diluted mud slinging event for those on both sides.

*goes off to make some 'No to Campaign Posters' posters

Like that Mitch Hedberg quote: "I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to express it".

ixoy

jhegarty wrote: »

So to be clear.

Voting no as a protest to the government a bad thing

Voting yes as a protest to coir a good thing

Do I have this right ?

Nope - it's just amusing seeing their scaremongering tactics ridiculed.

It'd be pretty ridiculous to vote on the Treaty based on any of the posters that are up at the moment since they've no substance (at best), lies, or veiled threats. So one that at least amuses me takes my notice, even though it won't affect my vote.

ei.sdraob

ixoy wrote: »

Nope - it's just amusing seeing their scaremongering tactics ridiculed.

yep agree its funny and the use of a monkey symbolic after the use of monkeys last year :pac:

ShooterSF

Mario007 wrote: »

none of the above is right of course. but its quite funny seeing the same tactics used against coir. though i wouldn't go as far as to say 'vote no to shut coir up' kind of stuff.

btw speaking of posters why arent there any of posters saying 'keep our commissioner, vote yes'?

That's a curious one alright. Possibly the same reason the side that was telling us lisbon would streamline the commission aren't out demanding a no vote to do so as laid out in nice.

Elba101

I think the posters are great!! I was undecided until the Coir posters went up and they solidified my yes vote!

Does anyone know who made this new poster??

Rb

FF are a better reason to vote No than Coir are to vote yes.

meglome

Rb wrote: »

FF are a better reason to vote No than Coir are to vote yes.

Why would you vote No to an EU treaty because of FF?

ei.sdraob

meglome wrote: »

Why would you vote No to an EU treaty because of FF?

sure why vote on anything to do with treaty

it worked great last time for the NO side

considering some of the people who voted no admitted they did it didnt vote on anything to do with the treaty :mad:

Spiritoftheseventies

Sorry isnt there another Coir thread already. What is point of this?

ei.sdraob

bayviewclose wrote: »

Sorry isnt there another Coir thread already. What is point of this?

this is an Anti Coir thread


aint it obvious?

Spiritoftheseventies

ei.sdraob wrote: »

this is an Anti Coir thread


aint it obvious?

And there is one up already isn't there ie Coir what is it good for?

ei.sdraob

bayviewclose wrote: »

And there is one up already isn't there ie Coir what is it good for?

the thread was started by a moderator

why don't you ask him? or bring it up to the help desk

Spiritoftheseventies

ei.sdraob wrote: »

the thread was started by a moderator

why don't you ask him? or bring it up to the help desk

It was started by "a" Moderator. Of which there are many.

ixoy

ixoy wrote: »

Anyone else seen the Anti-Coir posters? I spotted a poster (attached to the post) giving one of the best reasons to vote "Yes" so far ... as a protest against Coir (apologies if it's been posted previously, but I couldn't find it in a search).

It came about thirty seconds after I had briefly entertained such an idea myself and put a smile on my face on my way home.

Yup, and they break campaign rules as they do not name the organisation who paid for and distribute them. More Yes side smearing.

BTW I do not agree with Coirs claims. I just do not like it when cowardly organisations resort to dirty tactics like that.

meglome

Deleted User wrote: »

Yup, and they break campaign rules as they do not name the organisation who paid for and distribute them. More Yes side smearing.

BTW I do not agree with Coirs claims. I just do not like it when cowardly organisations resort to dirty tactics like that.

I agree on the poster and I don't like the Yes sides posters in general.

However if you want to see cowardly organisations just look at all of the No posters. Some people seem to only see a problem when the Yes campaign resorts to sneaky tactics, when the No campaign is built on them. Very selective aren't we.

meglome

meglome wrote: »

I agree on the poster and I don't like the Yes sides posters in general.

However if you want to see cowardly organisations just look at all of the No posters. Some people seem to only see a problem when the Yes campaign resorts to sneaky tactics, when the No campaign is built on them. Very selective aren't we.

As far as I am aware the No posters all have on the poster the name of the organisation that funded them, this nuts one does not..
Make what you will of that but in my mind that makes them cowards, oh and there is the small matter of what they are doing is illegal!

Mario007

Deleted User wrote: »

As far as I am aware the No posters all have on the poster the name of the organisation that funded them, this nuts one does not..
Make what you will of that but in my mind that makes them cowards, oh and there is the small matter of what they are doing is illegal!

isnt it obvious? its a snickers ad:D

P. Breathnach

Deleted User wrote: »

As far as I am aware the No posters all have on the poster the name of the organisation that funded them, this nuts one does not..
Make what you will of that but in my mind that makes them cowards, oh and there is the small matter of what they are doing is illegal!

But which side are they on? The dominant word on their posters is "No".

meglome

Deleted User wrote: »

As far as I am aware the No posters all have on the poster the name of the organisation that funded them, this nuts one does not..
Make what you will of that but in my mind that makes them cowards, oh and there is the small matter of what they are doing is illegal!

I'm not disagreeing with you. Just like when Cóir put up their posters a couple of days early around my way.

P. Breathnach

P. Breathnach wrote: »

But which side are they on? The dominant word on their posters is "No".

Thats a lie, it reads, No to Nuts Yes to Lisbon. With the Yes far more obvious than the No
See:
With tag line that goes along the line sick of nuts like coir,vote Yes to Lisbon

How you think the No is the dominant word is beyond me!!

P. Breathnach

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats a lie...

No. It's a joke. I hate having to explain jokes, even bad ones.

P. Breathnach

P. Breathnach wrote: »

No. It's a joke. I hate having to explain jokes, even bad ones.

Pretty bad one though!

The_Minister

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0914/1224254475259.html

In the Irish Times today.
And on radio apparently.

Coir are having them taken down, and are claiming they are offensive to people with psychiatric illness

PopeBuckfastXVI

The_Minister wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0914/1224254475259.html

In the Irish Times today.
And on radio apparently.

Coir are having them taken down, and are claiming they are offensive to people with psychiatric illness

Can I have Coir's posters taken down? They are offensive to people with a sense of honesty...

PopeBuckfastXVI

The posters, which were erected along several of the capital’s busiest thoroughfares last week, have been taken down by Dublin City Council.

Mr Greene declined to speculate as to who was behind the posters but said he believed they represented “a huge own goal for the Yes side” as they were deeply offensive to people who suffered from psychiatric illness.

He said he was concerned that Cóir posters were being taken down illegally across the country, especially in Dublin and Cork, and that the group had made a formal complaint to the Garda.

Coir don't do irony... but if they did they'd probably lie about it...

Rb

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Can I have Coir's posters taken down? They are offensive to people with a sense of honesty...

In that case you can get FF and FG's posters taken down too.

I'd love to see the lot gone actually.

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Coir don't do irony... but if they did they'd probably lie about it...

Bit of a difference between asking for the posters of a faceless smear campaign to be taken down and making a complaint that their own organisation's posters have been taken down illegally.

PopeBuckfastXVI

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Coir don't do irony... but if they did they'd probably lie about it...

Coir's posters listed Coir as the group that paid for the posters. The bunch of cowards who put these anti Coirs ones did not.

Its not irony, its the law...but I wouldnt expect someone as biased as you to understand that.

ei.sdraob

Deleted User wrote: »

Coir's posters listed Coir as the group that paid for the posters. The bunch of cowards who put these anti Coirs ones did not.

Its not irony, its the law...but I wouldnt expect someone as biased as you to understand that.

who is to say it wasnt Coir themselves who put up these posters?

in order to generate yet more controversy

P. Breathnach

The_Minister wrote: »

... Coir are having them taken down, and are claiming they are offensive to people with psychiatric illness

Are they offensive to Cóir members?

ei.sdraob

ei.sdraob wrote: »

who is to say it wasnt Coir themselves who put up these posters?

in order to generate yet more controversy

LOL, one tin foil hat on its way to you!

ei.sdraob

Deleted User wrote: »

LOL, one tin foil hat on its way to you!

im just trying to get in the same mindset as Coir

know and understand your enemy they say ....

SkepticOne

ei.sdraob wrote: »

im just trying to get in the same mindset as Coir

"Battle not with monsters..."

ei.sdraob

ei.sdraob wrote: »

im just trying to get in the same mindset as Coir

know and understand your enemy they say ....

Dont worry you've been there all along, just a different side of the same coin

Het-Field

Coir have to make you laugh !

Offensive this, offensive that. What about the pictures of burned, and destroyed foetusus which they throw in peoples faces every Saturday on Washington Street, Eyre Square, and O Connell Street ?

What about the picketing of Family Planning Clinics, on a level of which the Phelps family would be proud.

No organisation should ever be charged with being offensive by the wingnuts, liers and freaks in Coir

Almanac

SkepticOne wrote: »

"Battle not with monsters..."

Don't know that quote.

Rb

Het-Field wrote: »

Coir have to make you laugh !

Offensive this, offensive that. What about the pictures of burned, and destroyed foetusus which they throw in peoples faces every Saturday on Washington Street, Eyre Square, and O Connell Street ?

What about the picketing of Family Planning Clinics, on a level of which the Phelps family would be proud.

No organisation should ever be charged with being offensive by the wingnuts, liers and freaks in Coir

Indeed, hence why I don't get why their posters are brought up in discussions about the dishonesty of FF and FG in their widely published posters. They're not on the same playing field whatsoever and noone should be paying attention to Coir in any way, shape or form.

Those who do pay attention to Coir are themselves not worth any attention, such as staunch pro-lifers or militant theists.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Rb wrote: »

Indeed, hence why I don't get why their posters are brought up in discussions about the dishonesty of FF and FG in their widely published posters. They're not on the same playing field whatsoever and noone should be paying attention to Coir in any way, shape or form.

Those who do pay attention to Coir are themselves not worth any attention, such as staunch pro-lifers or militant theists.

Unfortunately people are paying attention to Coir...

However, Cóir spokesman Richard Greene said: “We’ve got a huge response to our first series of posters.

“So much so that Cóir’s campaign website is now the most popular Irish website on Lisbon.

From the linked article. I know the source is slightly biased, but I've heard of 'yes' canvassers having to fight Coirs lies, so while it's easy to dismiss them and their lies when they are on the same side as you (win/win eh?) we on the other side of the room have to take them extremely seriously.

Het-Field

Rb wrote: »

Indeed, hence why I don't get why their posters are brought up in discussions about the dishonesty of FF and FG in their widely published posters. They're not on the same playing field whatsoever and noone should be paying attention to Coir in any way, shape or form.

Those who do pay attention to Coir are themselves not worth any attention, such as staunch pro-lifers or militant theists.

Now that Libertas have returned, Coir will be relegated. Ganely has re-entered the field at the right time. The speculation has come true, and he will get all the coverage over the next three weeks.

While I will be voting yes, and I have been campaigning for a yes vote, Im delighted that Libertas are back, as it relegates Coir to the background.

Het-Field

Het-Field wrote: »

Now that Libertas have returned, Coir will be relegated. Ganely has re-entered the field at the right time. The speculation has come true, and he will get all the coverage over the next three weeks.

While I will be voting yes, and I have been campaigning for a yes vote, Im delighted that Libertas are back, as it relegates Coir to the background.

Agreed Coir are nuts! This should bring some respectability back to the No side as unfortunately Coir had been getting the majority of media coverage lately, even though they only represent a tiny fraction of the No side. I wonder why the pro Lisbon press would do such a thing??
hmmm...ahhh yes agenda...

ei.sdraob

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed Coir are nuts! This should bring some respectability back to the No side as unfortunately Coir had been getting the majority of media coverage lately, even though they only represent a tiny fraction of the No side. I wonder why the pro Lisbon press would do such a thing??
hmmm...ahhh yes agenda...

that still leaves UKIP....

ei.sdraob

ei.sdraob wrote: »

that still leaves UKIP....

You a provo?

Rb

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Unfortunately people are paying attention to Coir...
From the linked article. I know the source is slightly biased, but I've heard of 'yes' canvassers having to fight Coirs lies, so while it's easy to dismiss them and their lies when they are on the same side as you (win/win eh?) we on the other side of the room have to take them extremely seriously.

I'm ashamed to have an organisation like Coir in my "corner", I'd much rather they weren't. I'd much, much rather hear people say they're voting No because they're against any further integration or enlargement than "The minimum wage will be 3 yen after Lisboon" or whatever other sh1te Coir are trying to sell.

I won't say vote against Coir, as voting against any political party in itself is stupid, but if you can't find a reason that isn't one of Coirs to vote No then abstain from voting or spoil the ballot.

I guess people will pay attention to Coir, but those people are idiots. 15% support for the Fianna Fail party as of the recent poll is more than enough proof that we've a lot of idiots in this country so it's no surprise some might believe Coir.

Het-Field wrote: »

Now that Libertas have returned, Coir will be relegated. Ganely has re-entered the field at the right time. The speculation has come true, and he will get all the coverage over the next three weeks.

While I will be voting yes, and I have been campaigning for a yes vote, Im delighted that Libertas are back, as it relegates Coir to the background.

Good point.

ei.sdraob

Deleted User wrote: »

You a provo?

nope but thanks for reminding me about SF too (who opposed every single EU treaty including joining it)


i dont like UKIP their whole policy revolves around dismantling the EU and they have some history

and as I said their entry on the NO side makes it very hard for NO side to claim to be "Pro EU"

Het-Field

ei.sdraob wrote: »

nope but thanks for reminding me about SF too (who opposed every single EU treaty including joining it)


i dont like UKIP their whole policy revolves around dismantling the EU and they have some history

and as I said their entry on the NO side makes it very hard for NO side to claim to be "Pro EU"

I think most of the No Sides try to qualify their statements by claiming to be "Pro Europe". However, the vast majority of the No Camp are anti EU. Virtually all have their roots in campaigning against accession, and the SEA. The likes of Sinn Fein are NOT pro EU by any standards. Equally, the People's Movement, and the National Platform are anti EU.

Rb

Het-Field wrote: »

I think most of the No Sides try to qualify their statements by claiming to be "Pro Europe". However, the vast majority of the No Camp are anti EU. Virtually all have their roots in campaigning against accession, and the SEA. The likes of Sinn Fein are NOT pro EU by any standards. Equally, the People's Movement, and the National Platform are anti EU.

Tbh, I'd imagine Irish people's attitudes towards the EU are similar to the UK's.