After bias

assetmadman

The Lisbon Treaty is dead. We had a fair referendum the last time and the answer was no. For some to be suggesting that we should overturn that result after what has happened is frankly insulting, in my opinion anyway. I would have voted no in any event. Funny thing is I still haven’t heard the arguments made that I would have put forward. However, I’m not going to make those arguments now, least I give cover to those who aren’t man or woman enough to accept their fate.

To Fianna Fail the only thing that needs to be said is: Planning permission has been revoked. Time to disappear from the Irish political map.

I would like my privacy to be respected. Of course certain people will do their worst. But at least now the Irish people are resolved that these types won’t be running the country when they’re doing it.

Scofflaw

Is this a blog entry? Come on, you can do better than this. Leaving open for the moment to see if this generates any debate, but not holding out much hope.

moderately,
Scofflaw

patrickthomas

assetmadman wrote: »

The Lisbon Treaty is dead. We had a fair referendum the last time and the answer was no. For some to be suggesting that we should overturn that result after what has happened is frankly insulting, in my opinion anyway. I would have voted no in any event. Funny thing is I still haven’t heard the arguments made that I would have put forward. However, I’m not going to make those arguments now, least I give cover to those who aren’t man or woman enough to accept their fate.

To Fianna Fail the only thing that needs to be said is: Planning permission has been revoked. Time to disappear from the Irish political map.

I would like my privacy to be respected. Of course certain people will do their worst. But at least now the Irish people are resolved that these types won’t be running the country when they’re doing it.

It will take at least a decade if not a whole lot more to recover from the gombeen men that we have allowed to run this country.

I will vote no, but will feel no disappointment whatsoever if the yes side succeed after using every main political party against a side with no representation.

If the no vote wins then we will be blamed at every turn for the calamity that is about to befall this country, none of it will be true at all. The result of this vote will have no effect on the economy that is doomed to collapse completely.

I said at the peak of the celtic tiger that this period would go down in history as one of the most disgraceful in our history as an independent state. If the yes vote wins we can smile as we watch the meltdown taking place and the yesmen will have no-one to blame.

Voting no,:pac: is a no lose situtation.

meglome

yawn

Our constitution says we can vote.
Our constitution says we can also vote again.

and just yawn.

patrickthomas

meglome wrote: »

yawn

Our constitution says we can vote.
Our constitution says we can also vote again.

and just yawn.

wake up!
our constitution says we can vote a zillion times if we want!
why?

View

patrickthomas wrote: »

wake up!
our constitution says we can vote a zillion times if we want!
why?

Because way back in the 1930s, the Oireachtas proposed such a constitution and the people of Ireland approved it in a democratic referendum. But, of course, why should we respect that democratic decision of the electorate since it inconveniences our No side today?

meglome

patrickthomas wrote: »

wake up!
our constitution says we can vote a zillion times if we want!
why?

Just to add to view above.

The point is you can't have it both ways. Our constitution gives us the right to have referenda but also sets no limit on the number of those referenda. I've never seen anyone campaigning to have this changed, have you?

How is having more democratic votes not more democratic?

View

meglome wrote: »

Just to add to view above.

The point is you can't have it both ways. Our constitution gives us the right to have referenda but also sets no limit on the number of those referenda. I've never seen anyone campaigning to have this changed, have you?

How is having more democratic votes not more democratic?

Any minute now some No poster is going to claim the electorate were biased in favour of the Yes to Lisbon campaign when they approved the constitution in the 1930s...

meglome

View wrote: »

Any minute now some No poster is going to claim the electorate were biased in favour of the Yes to Lisbon campaign when they approved the constitution in the 1930s...

I heard God was biased against the No campaign.

ei.sdraob

meglome wrote: »

I heard God was biased against the No campaign.

well the Church are supporting Lisbon

so that puts Coir in a difficult spot no?

anyways i couldnt care whos side god is on, most people are quite secular nowadays, there are better reasons to vote YES than having god on your side

religion and politics dont mix, and when they do it gets ugly

O'Morris

ei.sdraob wrote:

anyways i couldnt care whos side god is on

I'm on the no side.

ei.sdraob

O'Morris wrote: »

I'm on the no side.

you are not god

PopeBuckfastXVI

The Constitution conferred our right to have the first referendum.
The Constitution conferred the governments right to have the second.

That is all.

ixtlan

patrickthomas wrote: »

I will vote no, but will feel no disappointment whatsoever if the yes side succeed after using every main political party against a side with no representation.

I don't understand this. It sounds like you are describing the Yes side as some entity outside the Irish political scene. The Yes side is the Irish political scene.

The No side does have some political representation, but most representation is on the Yes side, simply because that is who the public have voted for. Just a few months ago the public had another opportunity to elect anti-Lisbon MEPs... and it went from for/against 11/2 to 11/1, which seems pretty clear.

Ix.

assetmadman

[FONT=&quot]I repeat. The Lisbon Treaty is dead.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Myself, I suspect that anyone showing divided loyalties at this time, who might seem to be serving two masters and not putting their country first, after what has happened, will not be easily forgiven (most of all, for not having the kop on to realise this).[/FONT]

K-9

assetmadman wrote: »

[font=&quot]I repeat. The Lisbon Treaty is dead.[/font]

[font=&quot]Myself, I suspect that anyone showing divided loyalties at this time, who might seem to be serving two masters and not putting their country first, after what has happened, will not be easily forgiven (most of all, for not having the kop on to realise this).[/font]

Hmmmm. looks at Martin Ferris!

meglome

assetmadman wrote: »

[FONT=&quot]I repeat. The Lisbon Treaty is dead.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Myself, I suspect that anyone showing divided loyalties at this time, who might seem to be serving two masters and not putting their country first, after what has happened, will not be easily forgiven (most of all, for not having the kop on to realise this).[/FONT]

So 27% of the electorate voted no to Lisbon but it's dead cause you say so?

Divided loyalties? I'm wondering how many times my sense of nationalism can be insulted before it's really gonna piss me off.

assetmadman

Why would anyone object to a little advice? I suppose to be in a position to offer it must be it's own reward.

assetmadman

Only advise. The good people who've put in the time should decide the issue, as far as possible, as if this had never happened. No to bias should mean no to bias.

assetmadman

[FONT=&quot]I was out for a while and there was something very very strange. Things upside-down! [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Am I seeing straight? Or what is the country coming to at all?[/FONT]

oscarBravo

Madness this way lies.