Revolution?

El Siglo

After reading this thread and generally agreeing with the op in it, I have to pose this question:

Why not start a revolution?

I mean seriously, can't we not just take to the streets of Dublin (not being pro-Dublin or anything, it's just that it's the capital and everything is more or less run from there), take over Leinster House and the Four Courts, and start a new government, a popular peoples' government, in a bloodless coup. I mean, we're fucked anyway, we're not too far off of the IMF intervening into our economy if NAMA goes belly up. No matter who comes into power (Labour, Fine Gael etc...) we're still faced with footing the bill of developers and banks (i.e. taxed to the balls), because they only care about the 'haves' and the rest of us can forget about it!

What if we all started this revolution, cancelled everyone's debts or cancelled the interest rate repayments (except for developers) and nationalised the banks. Then, if this hypothetical government would introduce a fair rate of tax, possibly higher in some respects it's got to do with the next bit (public services), rationalised public service provision (e.g. abolish the HSE). With this, what if we then invest the money in employment schemes (e.g. like 'the new deal', trying to get people off the dole) and use the higher rate of tax to pay for adequate health care and education. Is this ridiculous, crazy socialism or am I making some sense?

I suppose what I'm trying to say is best said on James Larkin's statue on O'Connell Street:

Les grands ne sont grands que parce que nous sommes à genoux: Levons-nous.

Ní uasal aon uasal ach sinne bheith íseal: Éirímis.

The great appear great because we are on our knees: Let us rise.

phasers

I can't be bothered tbh

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

The time for a revolution was about 18 months ago. Best of luck.

galwayrush

It would never work unless you were to make someone like me supreme ruler afterwards.:pac:

Ostrom

I dont have much faith in the alternative either. I think someone mentioned 'dropping the bomb' somewhere else...

My name is URL

Revolutions never stop, it just takes a bump on the road to buckle the wheel, then it needs to be replaced

I seriously think Ireland is on sleds though, on a steep slope to the 3rd world

Euro_Kraut

Will it televised?

AckwelFoley

only after i master the art of sucking my own bone will ever have the time to be involved in such frivilous activities as a revolution

phasers

snyper wrote: »

only after i master the art of sucking my own bone will ever have the time to be involved in such frivilous activities as a revolution

You'll have to get ribs removed for that I'm afraid

osnola ibax

My name is URL wrote: »

Revolutions never stop, it just takes a bump on the road to buckle the wheel, then it needs to be replaced

I seriously think Ireland is on sleds though, on a steep slope to the 3rd world

I had the same shocking thought today, it's a doomsday scenario but I think we are ****ed altogether, mass unemployment, mass poverty - we don't know what were doing

AckwelFoley

phasers wrote: »

You'll have to get ribs removed for that I'm afraid

.. already thought of my good lady.

As we speak, im booked into a clinic in slovakia for Jan 2010

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

You should just have one mass protest on a particular day - people cna protest abotu whatever they like - that'll get the numbers up.

El Siglo

Well they weren't too long rewording NAMA to include the banks in the burden sharing of the toxic assets, can you imagine what people could do if properly organised etc...

queequeg

There's protest due on 19th against NAMA and one on 30th against
the reduction of children's allowance.
Everyone should join these protests.

Bring back the guillotine!!!! that'll learn them.

OPENROAD

What is the alternative to NAMA?

Zillah

I have such an awesome vision of Mary Harney taking on dozens of revolutionaries in a brawl on the street. She hurls them against walls and breaks them over her knee, and when they dog pile her she throws them all off going "Raawwr! Harney crush!"

AckwelFoley

OPENROAD wrote: »

What is the alternative to NAMA?

Iceland

donmeister

Somebody has been listening waaay too much of Tracy Chapman.

Whiskey Devil

If no one out there understands
Start your own revolution and cut out the middleman

Riddle101

El Siglo wrote: »

After reading this thread and generally agreeing with the op in it, I have to pose this question:

Why not start a revolution?

I mean seriously, can't we not just take to the streets of Dublin (not being pro-Dublin or anything, it's just that it's the capital and everything is more or less run from there), take over Leinster House and the Four Courts, and start a new government, a popular peoples' government, in a bloodless coup. I mean, we're fucked anyway, we're not too far off of the IMF intervening into our economy if NAMA goes belly up. No matter who comes into power (Labour, Fine Gael etc...) we're still faced with footing the bill of developers and banks (i.e. taxed to the balls), because they only care about the 'haves' and the rest of us can forget about it!

What if we all started this revolution, cancelled everyone's debts or cancelled the interest rate repayments (except for developers) and nationalised the banks. Then, if this hypothetical government would introduce a fair rate of tax, possibly higher in some respects it's got to do with the next bit (public services), rationalised public service provision (e.g. abolish the HSE). With this, what if we then invest the money in employment schemes (e.g. like 'the new deal', trying to get people off the dole) and use the higher rate of tax to pay for adequate health care and education. Is this ridiculous, crazy socialism or am I making some sense?

I suppose what I'm trying to say is best said on James Larkin's statue on O'Connell Street:

Les grands ne sont grands que parce que nous sommes à genoux: Levons-nous.

Ní uasal aon uasal ach sinne bheith íseal: Éirímis.

The great appear great because we are on our knees: Let us rise.

A Revolution can only happen with a powerful influencial leader who people look up to and people believe when he talks. Someone on the internet proposing we start a revolution is hardly going to influence people to pick up arms and fight against the government. Long story short, people ain't going to rebel without proper leadership and unless you turn out to be the next Che Guevara a Revolution won't happen.

pikachucheeks

El Siglo wrote: »

I mean seriously, can't we not just take to the streets of Dublin

Take it to the Dublin forum!

j1smithy

Stupid thread is stupid.

Why are there so many "Revolution" threads? Was one not enough, soon we'll have rival revolutions going on.

ScumLord

queequeg wrote: »

Bring back the guillotine!!!! that'll learn them.

Learn them to behead protesters more like.

Mrmoe

j1smithy wrote: »

Stupid thread is stupid.

Why are there so many "Revolution" threads? Was one not enough, soon we'll have rival revolutions going on.

Yea the People's Front Of JudeaIreland really suck balls, Irish Peoples Front FTW.

Adamisconfused

Riddle101 wrote: »

A Revolution can only happen with a powerful influencial leader who people look up to and people believe when he talks. Someone on the internet proposing we start a revolution is hardly going to influence people to pick up arms and fight against the government. Long story short, people ain't going to rebel without proper leadership and unless you turn out to be the next Che Guevara a Revolution won't happen.

We need Jim Larkin.

danjo-xx

My 2nd recession and never saw the tiger's tail never mind his assets, and I am amazed there hasn't been mass protest marches around the country. I can't speak for you young wans, but us older ones, most of us have seen it all before and who can blame us for throwing are hands up in the air.

Power corrupts and always has done and will going forward.:mad:

squod

phasers wrote: »

I can't be bothered tbh

Yep, you'd never get parking for a start!

Jack Sheehan

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

That's all the revolution I'm comfortable with tbh.

K-Ren

I'm just thinking of that little Mother's Day card from Futurama.

squod

Jack Sheehan wrote: »

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

That's all the revolution I'm comfortable with tbh.

If that's some beatles related lyric, I'm gonna vomit.

Poor Uncle Tom

snyper wrote: »

.. already thought of my good lady.

As we speak, im booked into a clinic in slovakia for Jan 2010

Why bother, just enjoy the pain, maso' style.....:cool:

battered and bruised but satisfied.....

mikom

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Jack Sheehan

squod wrote: »

If that's some beatles related lyric, I'm gonna vomit.

Too cool for the beatles are we?

tripe tripe tripe.

Kazuma

Ahhh, dear sir, the requirement of lacking two ribs is complete fabrication!
It's entirely possible to do it if you possess both A) a massive dong, and extreme flexibility