Galway Football Manger = Joe Kernan

sgthighway

As it says in the title; Joe Kernan has been ratified as the new manager of the Galway Senior Football Team.

flahavaj

Biggest question is can he transfer his obvious passion for Armagh football to another county. They tried the same with Loughnane and the hurlers and it fell flat, I wonder will the same happen again. Certainly a change in styles for Galway football is in store.

ShamoBuc

The Galway hurlers needed someone to get them to unite and they did, they will be dangerous next year. The footballers needed someone who was bigger and better than they ever had before , and they have got him. The man is a footballing managerial machine , Connaught champions in 2010 is as good as guaranteed, after that toss a coin. The West is awake again I feel.

Tomthepost

Right man and the wrong time for Galway methinks!
First thing to do is to tell P Joyce and a few of the other older heads that they have been great servants but their service is no longer required.
Great to see big Joe back and will be very interesting to see how it goes. I would put money on them playing Kildare in the quarter finals or qualifiers next season.

Tomthepost

flahavaj wrote: »

Biggest question is can he transfer his obvious passion for Armagh football to another county. They tried the same with Loughnane and the hurlers and it fell flat, I wonder will the same happen again. Certainly a change in styles for Galway football is in store.

Q: Galway have won the Sam Maguire twice in the last 10 years but what county was the manager of those teams from?

Lemlin

Kernan is a great manager. I would have loved to see him come to Cavan but, alas, even he can see there's nothing there to work with.

I think he'll make a success of Galway and we could easily see them launch a good bid for Sam in the next two to three years.

They were disappointing this year but have good players and Kernan will change their style and get them working hard from 1 to 15.

LowOdour

The only real old heads left in the team or joyce and declan meehan. Until he finds a better forward than joyce it will be hard to drop him...even if his performances havent been great of late. He is coming in at a bad time, but there are some decent players in that squad and with the right man (which kernan is) they could progress well in the next few years.
Because of the physicality in the side, i dont think he will get away the style of play he did with armagh, plus he doesnt have a gifted set of players as he did with them (mcconvile, bellew, clarke, McDonnell, McGeeney etc)
Really happy about this appointment...think i may do a little dance!

Lemlin

LowOdour wrote: »

The only real old heads left in the team or joyce and declan meehan. Until he finds a better forward than joyce it will be hard to drop him...even if his performances havent been great of late. He is coming in at a bad time, but there are some decent players in that squad and with the right man (which kernan is) they could progress well in the next few years.
Because of the physicality in the side, i dont think he will get away the style of play he did with armagh, plus he doesnt have a gifted set of players as he did with them (mcconvile, bellew, clarke, McDonnell, McGeeney etc)
Really happy about this appointment...think i may do a little dance!

Galway have a more gifted set of players than most counties. Bergin, Meehan, Armstrong - they are all gifted players and I'm sure there are more. Big Joe wouldn't take the job unless he knew there was something there to work with.

I think we'll see the Galway lads bulk up a bit more now and introduce a more physical aspect to their game. I also think Joe will get them working harder and really pressuring opponents on the ball.

Pride Fighter

Lemlin wrote: »

Galway have a more gifted set of players than most counties. Bergin, Meehan, Armstrong - they are all gifted players and I'm sure there are more. Big Joe wouldn't take the job unless he knew there was something there to work with.

I think we'll see the Galway lads bulk up a bit more now and introduce a more physical aspect to their game. I also think Joe will get them working harder and really pressuring opponents on the ball.

Dont think they need to bulk up, they are all strong lads. Kernan will mainly work on implementing a 1-15 man defensive system, if Galway can keep any team to 10 points they will win as with their forwards they will always score more.

MfMan

Lemlin wrote: »

Galway have a more gifted set of players than most counties. Bergin, Meehan, Armstrong - they are all gifted players and I'm sure there are more. Big Joe wouldn't take the job unless he knew there was something there to work with.

I think we'll see the Galway lads bulk up a bit more now and introduce a more physical aspect to their game. I also think Joe will get them working harder and really pressuring opponents on the ball.

Jeez, as a Galwayman I've yet to see any discernible sign of skill in Joe Bergin, sadly. Kernan has his work cut out for him as the players he's inheriting are nowhere near as good as everyone outside the county seems to think; he'll probably put steel into them that Sammon couldn't do but there simply aren't enough good players there to make the extra push.

Lemlin

MfMan wrote: »

Jeez, as a Galwayman I've yet to see any discernible sign of skill in Joe Bergin, sadly. Kernan has his work cut out for him as the players he's inheriting are nowhere near as good as everyone outside the county seems to think; he'll probably put steel into them that Sammon couldn't do but there simply aren't enough good players there to make the extra push.

Bergin is a better midfielder than most counties have. The thing about Kernan is that he is the sort of manager who can lift average players to deliver something extra.

The_Kew_Tour

Kernan is the type of man that Galway needed. Im sure he will bring in a toughness they so badly need

Just listening to him on radio. His mum is Galway woman.

Joyce Country

As long as we don't expect miracles this year. It will take a year for kernan to stamp his authority and style on the team. still can't see us getting past quarters AI next year but 2011/2012 i would be hopeful about!

O.A.P

Im sorry to see Liam Salmon go, I like that style of football and very few counties bother to try and play that way anymore. If big Joe can mix that style with pace and hunger through out the field while keeping the good sharp foward line we are going places. I hope he can.

munsterdevil

Joe Kernan is one of the most overrated managers in the history of the GAA, one All Ireland with Armagh that they were fortunate to win, done nothing after that. Galway are making a mistake.

O.A.P

munsterdevil wrote: »

Joe Kernan is one of the most overrated managers in the history of the GAA, one All Ireland with Armagh that they were fortunate to win, done nothing after that. Galway are making a mistake.

Well we are about to find out, I hope your wrong. Armagh deserved that all Ireland though. Galway only won by one point in the quaterfinal of 2001 the best match we got that year. Apart from the Rossies in Tuam that year better say that.

stepbar

munsterdevil wrote: »

Joe Kernan is one of the most overrated managers in the history of the GAA, one All Ireland with Armagh that they were fortunate to win, done nothing after that. Galway are making a mistake.

Aye and the club All Irelands with the Cross. Underrated eh? :rolleyes:

munsterdevil

stepbar wrote: »

Aye and the club All Irelands with the Cross. Underrated eh? :rolleyes:

Big difference between club and inter-county.;)

stepbar

munsterdevil wrote: »

Big difference between club and inter-county.;)

Is there now? Are you telling me that bringing a club team to an All Ireland and winning it is something to be looked down upon in a managers career? Answer that one with a bit of honesty.

munsterdevil

stepbar wrote: »

Is there now? Are you telling me that bringing a club team to an All Ireland and winning it is something to be looked down upon in a managers career? Answer that one with a bit of honesty.

I'd really appreciate if you didn't take me out of context, at no stage did I say that winning an All Ireland Club Final is to be looked down upon. What I'm saying is there is a massive difference between club grade and intercounty grade, and if you have any knowledge of GAA you'd know that.

Diabhal Beag

All this bull**** about Galway being Connacht champs next year is nonsense. We have a team with hardly any hunger ATM and that stems from all these Mattew Clancy types who do **** all but are given a starting place. I hope Kernan whips the **** out of them and makes us All-Ireland contenders in his three year spell.

Thanks for nothing Mr.Sammon

stepbar

munsterdevil wrote: »

I'd really appreciate if you didn't take me out of context, at no stage did I say that winning an All Ireland Club Final is to be looked down upon. What I'm saying is there is a massive difference between club grade and intercounty grade, and if you have any knowledge of GAA you'd know that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Kernan_(Gaelic_footballer)#Managerial_career

The difference between inter county and club has nothing got to do with this argument at all. In fact if you knew anything about club football, it's probably harder to motivate a team of club players because in most cases the player produced can be quite limited in terms of skill.

To say Kernan is overrated is mindblowing to say the least.

LeoB

Think Galway were carrying 1 or 2 lads last year. As for the comment about Liam Salmon I think its very unfair. Liam Salmon is recognised as an excellent coach but when you have 1 or 2 lads who dont pull their weight you are in trouble and this is a problem Galway and some other counties have. For any manager to be succesful he needs the full backing of the county board and the clubs once he is elected and as we know this has not been the case in Galway

Joyce should stay and so should Declan Meehan. Joe Bergin, Micheal Meehan, Sean Armstrong, Kieran Fitzgerald Cormac Bane and that Ginger lad who played half back this year are all good players and they have the basis for a fairly decent team next year.
He wont take any crap from prima donna types thats for Sure.
Joe Kernan will do a good job.

munsterdevil

stepbar wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Kernan_(Gaelic_footballer)#Managerial_career

The difference between inter county and club has nothing got to do with this argument at all. In fact if you knew anything about club football, it's probably harder to motivate a team of club players because in most cases the player produced can be quite limited in terms of skill.

To say Kernan is overrated is mindblowing to say the least.

Look, your obviously letting your emotions get the better of you. Joe Kernan won one All Ireland with Armagh, and how many did Mickey Harte win?

Take Padjoe Whelahan of Birr for example, won numerous All Irelands with Birr of Offaly, but when he took over Offaly he could do nothing. Likewise Kernan won one All Ireland (dueto Kerry collapsing in the 2nd half) and everyone thought he was the best thing since sliced pan. Done nothing after it.

stepbar

munsterdevil wrote: »

Look, your obviously letting your emotions get the better of you. Joe Kernan won one All Ireland with Armagh, and how many did Mickey Harte win?

Take Padjoe Whelahan of Birr for example, won numerous All Irelands with Birr of Offaly, but when he took over Offaly he could do nothing. Likewise Kernan won one All Ireland (dueto Kerry collapsing in the 2nd half) and everyone thought he was the best thing since sliced pan. Done nothing after it.

So now it's no big deal to win an All Ireland now is it? And what about the other titles, 4 Ulster and 1 League? No big deal is it? BTW, putting a bit of context to the whole lot, Kernan managed Armagh for 6 years, got to 2 All Ireland finals, won one and 5 other titles. Not a bad return considering that Ulster is the toughest championship.

Ask any man, woman or child what they think of Joe Kernan and come back to me.

BTW, I have no friends, family or otherwise in Armagh.

munsterdevil

stepbar wrote: »

So now it's no big deal to win an All Ireland now is it? And what about the other titles, 4 Ulster and 1 League? No big deal is it?

Ask any man, woman or child what they think of Joe Kernan and come back to me.

BTW, I have no friends, family or otherwise in Armagh.

He could have won more with the players he had, lets face it when they won the Ulster titles there was very little in their way. Mickey Harte is known as a good manager because he won 3 All Irelands, not because of 1 league or 3 Ulster Titles he won, likewise with any Kerry manager in Munster, and look at Dublin, what good have all those Leinster titles done them?

munsterdevil

Just to clarify something as well, I'm not necessarily saying Kernan is a bad manager, but is he overrated.....yes.

stepbar

munsterdevil wrote: »

He could have won more with the players he had, lets face it when they won the Ulster titles there was very little in their way. Mickey Harte is known as a good manager because he won 3 All Irelands, not because of 1 league or 3 Ulster Titles he won, likewise with any Kerry manager in Munster, and look at Dublin, what good have all those Leinster titles done them?

Mickey Harte - 2003 to present - 3 All Ireland, 3 Provincal and 1 League.
Joe Kernan - 2001 - 2007 - 1 All Ireland, 4 Provincial and 1 League

Two All Ireland and 1 Provincial being the difference and if I remember correctly, Armagh met Tyrone in the All Ireland in 2003. So Mickey Hartes 3 All Irelands could have been easily 2.

Added to that Mickey Harte had not the level of success at Club level that Joe Kernan had. On the otherside Mickey Harte has had more success with underage teams. To say Joe Kernan is overrated is ridiculus.

munsterdevil

Two All Ireland and 1 Provincial being the difference and if I remember correctly, Armagh met Tyrone in the All Ireland in 2003. So Mickey Hartes 3 All Irelands could have been easily 2.

Where is the logic in that? The point is they didn't beat Tyrone, and Tyrone were the better team that day.

Added to that Mickey Harte had not the level of success at Club level that Joe Kernan had. On the otherside Mickey Harte has had more success with underage teams. To say Joe Kernan is overrated is ridiculus.

I'm not talking about underage or club, I'm talking about inter-county football, Joe Kernan is overrated as an intercounty football manager.

stepbar

munsterdevil wrote: »

Where is the logic in that? The point is they didn't beat Tyrone, and Tyrone were the better team that day.

Sure they were, on on a different day Kerry could have won in 2002. Football isn't an exact science and sometimes a bit of luck helps. That's the point.

munsterdevil wrote: »

I'm not talking about underage or club, I'm talking about inter-county football, Joe Kernan is overrated as an intercounty football manager.

That's not what you said.

munsterdevil wrote: »

Joe Kernan is one of the most overrated managers in the history of the GAA, one All Ireland with Armagh that they were fortunate to win, done nothing after that

munsterdevil

Sure they were, on on a different day Kerry could have won in 2002. Football isn't an exact science and sometimes a bit of luck helps. That's the point.

Tyrone did not beat Armagh by luck

That's not what you said.

Oh dear, somehow I knew you would say that, what I meant was in inter-county, what I mentioned was the one All Ireland with Armagh, surely you would have known from that I wasn't talking about his club career, if I was I would have mentioned it.

flahavaj

Tomthepost wrote: »

Q: Galway have won the Sam Maguire twice in the last 10 years but what county was the manager of those teams from?

With respect this has nothing whatsoever to do with my post.

K-9

stepbar wrote: »

Mickey Harte - 2003 to present - 3 All Ireland, 3 Provincal and 1 League.
Joe Kernan - 2001 - 2007 - 1 All Ireland, 4 Provincial and 1 League

Two All Ireland and 1 Provincial being the difference and if I remember correctly, Armagh met Tyrone in the All Ireland in 2003. So Mickey Hartes 3 All Irelands could have been easily 2.

Added to that Mickey Harte had not the level of success at Club level that Joe Kernan had. On the otherside Mickey Harte has had more success with underage teams. To say Joe Kernan is overrated is ridiculus.

I have a notion the reason Tyrone had 2 and Kernan 1 in his time, was the 05 AI SF. It was there for the winning with 5 minutes to go and to this day, I don't understand taking McGeeney of.

As for Munsterdevils comments, YEP, Armagh winning in 02 was due to Kerrys collapse. Nothing else! Their record in Ulster, the most competitive province there is, where every single county reached the Ulster Final this decade, is first class.


Overall, I think this is good for Galway. They need to become a team that is feared.

munsterdevil

K-9 wrote: »

As for Munsterdevils comments, YEP, Armagh winning in 02 was due to Kerrys collapse. Nothing else! Their record in Ulster, the most competitive province there is, where every single county reached the Ulster Final this decade, is first class.

That is just glossing over statistics, because since 1999, only Armagh and Tyrone have won the Ulster Title, I hardly call that competitive. In Leinster and Connaught more than four teams have won their provincial championship since 1999.

K-9

munsterdevil wrote: »

That is just glossing over statistics, because since 1999, only Armagh and Tyrone have won the Ulster Title, I hardly call that competitive. In Leinster and Connaught more than four teams have won their provincial championship since 1999.

It is not, as you well know. 2 different AI Champions, 5 different Semi Finalists, 6 different Quarter Finalists, 8 reached the last 12 and the other 1 got to the Ulster Final.

Connacht had 1 AI Finalist, 2 Semi Finalists and 3 Quarter Finals.

Leinster had 1 AI Champions, 3 Semi Finalists and 3 Quarter Finalists.

Munster, well we all know!

But this isn't the thread for it.

munsterdevil

K-9 wrote: »

It is not, as you well know. 2 different AI Champions, 5 different Semi Finalists, 6 different Quarter Finalists, 7 reached the last 12 and the other 2 got to the Ulster Final.

Connacht had 1 AI Finalist, 2 Semi Finalists and 3 Quarter Finals.

Leinster had 1 AI Champions, 3 Semi Finalists and 3 Quarter Finalists.

Munster, well we all know!

But this isn't the thread for it.

NO, I do not "well know", they can reach as many QF's SF's as they want, but none of them only Armagh and Tyrone made it to the AI final. As a matter of interest (I'm not calling you a liar) where are you getting the information above from?

aidan24326

munsterdevil wrote: »

I'd really appreciate if you didn't take me out of context, at no stage did I say that winning an All Ireland Club Final is to be looked down upon. What I'm saying is there is a massive difference between club grade and intercounty grade, and if you have any knowledge of GAA you'd know that.

Managing a club team to All-Ireland success is nothing to be sniffed at. If anything a club All-Ireland is harder to win, there's so many games and it's a long slog from the first round of the county championship all the way to Croke Park the following March.

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

All this bull**** about Galway being Connacht champs next year is nonsense. We have a team with hardly any hunger ATM and that stems from all these Mattew Clancy types who do **** all but are given a starting place. I hope Kernan whips the **** out of them and makes us All-Ireland contenders in his three year spell.

Thanks for nothing Mr.Sammon

You're being very harsh on Matthew Clancy, he always runs his socks off and gives you 100%. Not the man to be picking on. As for Liam Sammon he gave it his best shot but perhaps he's not suited to intercounty management.

Personally, as a Galwayman I think Joe Kernan is potentially a good appointment. That said, I don't believe we have the players to win an All-Ireland at the moment, but we do have enough ability in the panel to do alot better than what Galway showed this year. If Kernan can get the best out of them that's all we can ask for, what the limit of that will be remains to be seen.

munsterdevil

Managing a club team to All-Ireland success is nothing to be sniffed at. If anything a club All-Ireland is harder to win, there's so many games and it's a long slog from the first round of the county championship all the way to Croke Park the following March.

I never said it was anything to be sniffed at, I just meant there is a huge difference in syles of management. Besides you said it yourself when you replied to Diabhal Beag

As for Liam Sammon he gave it his best shot but perhaps he's not suited to intercounty management.

Lemlin

munsterdevil wrote: »

That is just glossing over statistics, because since 1999, only Armagh and Tyrone have won the Ulster Title, I hardly call that competitive. In Leinster and Connaught more than four teams have won their provincial championship since 1999.

So you'd class the likes of Monaghan and Derry as being uncompetitive? Just because various teams have won provincial championships doesn't make the standard of football any more competitive.

In terms of Leinster, it has actually shown up how poor the standard of football is. Westmeath won Leinster in 2004 and then lost to Derry in the quarter finals, a second rate Ulster team at the time.

Armagh and Tyrone have been two of the great teams of the past decade. Would Mayo and Galway or Dublin and Laois be classed the same? I don't think so.

sgthighway

How many selectors did Joe have when with Armagh.

I heard he only wants one selector in his new job and he won't be picking a selector until after the New York Trip.

munsterdevil

Lemlin Said:

So you'd class the likes of Monaghan and Derry as being uncompetitive? Just because various teams have won provincial championships doesn't make the standard of football any more competitive.

Every team is competitive come Championship time including London and New York

Armagh and Tyrone have been two of the great teams of the past decade. Would Mayo and Galway or Dublin and Laois be classed the same? I don't think so.

I would rate Tyrone as one of the great teams, Armagh were good, but not great.

aidan24326

munsterdevil wrote: »

I would rate Tyrone as one of the great teams, Armagh were good, but not great.

Armagh were a bit unlucky though. They might well have beaten Tyrone in 2003 but for a brilliant blockdown by Conor Gormley, and the 2005 semi final was absolutely 50-50, Tyrone just got the bit of luck with that late free.

Lemlin

munsterdevil wrote: »

Lemlin Said:


Every team is competitive come Championship time including London and New York



I would rate Tyrone as one of the great teams, Armagh were good, but not great.

You're talking utter tripe now. When did London or New York last win a game in the football championship? Competitive me ar$e!

Ulster is the toughest province because, with the exception of Antrim and Cavan, pretty much every team is competitive most years.

I'd see Armagh as great tbh. They've won seven Ulster championships in the last ten, constantly bettering the Tyrone team you call great.

1999, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008

They've also had great players like Oisin McConville who have broken records.

Either way, Kernan is a fine manager. Who would you rate above him that is managing currently? There are very few I'd put above him.

munsterdevil

Lemlin wrote: »

You're talking utter tripe now. When did London or New York last win a game in the football championship? Competitive me ar$e!

Ulster is the toughest province because, with the exception of Antrim and Cavan, pretty much every team is competitive most years.

I'd see Armagh as great tbh. They've won seven Ulster championships in the last ten, constantly bettering the Tyrone team you call great.

1999, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008

They've also had great players like Oisin McConville who have broken records.

Either way, Kernan is a fine manager. Who would you rate above him that is managing currently? There are very few I'd put above him.

There is a difference between being competitive and being good enough, just because a team doesn't win, it doesn't mean that they are not trying their best, i.e. London and New York.

You mention that Armagh constantly betters Tyrone in Ulster! which do yo think a player would rather win Ulster or the All Ireland?

Lemlin

munsterdevil wrote: »

There is a difference between being competitive and being good enough, just because a team doesn't win, it doesn't mean that they are not trying their best, i.e. London and New York.

You mention that Armagh constantly betters Tyrone in Ulster! which do yo think a player would rather win Ulster or the All Ireland?

Yes and their best clearly isn't competitive or they would have won a game in recent history. I'm taking competitive here to mean that the teams in question provide opposition. From dictionary.com:

"well suited for competition; having a feature that makes for successful competition"

New York and London provide very little opposition and certainly do not make for "successful competition".

In terms of being the toughest championship to win, Ulster is by far the hardest with teams like Armagh, Monaghan, Derry and Tyrone. Not to mention Down who have won alot of silverware at youth level and Donegal/Fermanagh who have been decent over a few seasons.

We could argue all day on this but I think Ulster is clearly the hardest province to win. I also think rthat if the Ulster teams hadn't been drawn against each other in the qualifiers (Armagh vs. Monaghan, Derry vs Monaghan, Derry vs. Donegal) then teams like Monaghan and Derry would have went alot further as they'd beat most sides from Munster/Connacht/Leinster.

The matter of which they would prefer (AI or Ulster) doesn't come into it. Of course players would prefer an All-Ireland, that goes without question.

The fact though is that you labelled Tyrone great above. I agree with that assessment but this great Tyrone team have won four Ulster titles over the last eleven years to Armagh's seven. Therefore I think Armagh are also a great side.

As I asked above, what managers would you rate above Kernan that are managing today?

munsterdevil

In terms of being the toughest championship to win, Ulster is by far the hardest with teams like Armagh, Monaghan, Derry and Tyrone. Not to mention Down who have won alot of silverware at youth level and Donegal/Fermanagh who have been decent over a few seasons.

We could argue all day on this but I think Ulster is clearly the hardest province to win.

It was hard for anyone but Tyrone or Armagh to win, but that is now changing, and it's not a case of the rest catching up to Tyrone and Armagh, it's a case of Tyrone and Armagh getting weaker, Tyrone only slightly, but Armagh considerably.

The fact though is that you labelled Tyrone great above. I agree with that assessment but this great Tyrone team have won four Ulster titles over the last eleven years to Armagh's seven. Therefore I think Armagh are also a great side.

Look how many Leinster Titles Dublin have won, and they were always blown out of proportion, Cork have also won numerous Munster titles in the last 20 years but the last All Ireland they won was in 1990.

As I asked above, what managers would you rate above Kernan that are managing today?

As I have said previously on this thread I am not calling Joe Kernan a bad manager, but I am calling him overrated. The following I would rate as on par or better than him.

Conor Counihan(on par, but may improve)
Jack O'Connor
Pat O'Shea
John O'Mahoney
Mickey Harte
Seán Boylan(I know he's not an Inter County manger at the present but he could be persuaded like Kernan was)
Paidí O'Sé
Mick O'Dwyer

akaredtop

Why have a proud football county like Galway picked this guy as manager. The guy is the most negative manager around. Galway have always played the game in the right way.Will this change now?

K-9

munsterdevil wrote: »

NO, I do not "well know", they can reach as many QF's SF's as they want, but none of them only Armagh and Tyrone made it to the AI final. As a matter of interest (I'm not calling you a liar) where are you getting the information above from?

Ah, it was easy enough. You'll be aware of Tyrone and Armagh.

Donegal, SF 03, QF 3 times
Derry SF 01, 04, QF 07, could be more
Fermanagh SF 04, QF 03, maybe another one.

Monaghan QF 07,08

Down Last 12 08, 03.
Cavan 05.

All 9 Ulster counties reached the Ulster Final.

Winning 7 Ulsters obviously is an achievement, unlike other provinces.

munsterdevil

K-9 wrote: »

Ah, it was easy enough. You'll be aware of Tyrone and Armagh.

Donegal, SF 03, QF 3 times
Derry SF 01, 04, QF 07, could be more
Fermanagh SF 04, QF 03, maybe another one.

Monaghan QF 07,08

Down Last 12 08, 03.
Cavan 05.

All 9 Ulster counties reached the Ulster Final.

Winning 7 Ulsters obviously is an achievement, unlike other provinces.

Yes but realistically since 1999, only Derry and Donegal had a chance of dethroning Armagh and Tyrone, and it was pretty slim at that. While this may look impressive on paper, another factor as well is that many Ulster teams met each other in the qualifiers along the way to the QF's and SF's, for some uncanny reason Ulster teams more than any other province seem to be drawn against each other (it's not a conspiracy, it's just chance). I'm not saying this is the sole reason, but it has happened a lot.

K-9

munsterdevil wrote: »

Yes but realistically since 1999, only Derry and Donegal had a chance of dethroning Armagh and Tyrone, and it was pretty slim at that. While this may look impressive on paper, another factor as well is that many Ulster teams met each other in the qualifiers along the way to the QF's and SF's, for some uncanny reason Ulster teams more than any other province seem to be drawn against each other (it's not a conspiracy, it's just chance). I'm not saying this is the sole reason, but it has happened a lot.

You do realise that them drawing each other reduces their chances of getting to QF's?

Eg. Monaghan beat Armagh, Derry beat Monaghan this year and then Donegal beat Derry, so that knocks 3 out and last year, Monaghan beat Donegal and then Derry.

Generally, when Ulster teams draw Non Ulster teams, they win, barring the big 3 obviously.

munsterdevil

You do realise that them drawing each other reduces their chances of getting to QF's?

Not necessarily, if 4 Ulster teams are paired in the last 12 it guarantees 2 teams go forward to the QF's, if they were all kept apart none of them might go through.