Derren Brown predicts Lotto

Hyzepher

Any one going to watch this? Anyone have any idea what the illusion will entail?

MooseJam

I'll be tuning in, he's always impressive but I can't see this as being anything but fail - it's on at 10.35 on 4, that's kinda late what time is the english lotto draw at

???

The draw starts at 10.35 as well but they ****e on for a few minutes beforehand.

I'm unsure as to what he is actually doing to be honest, predicting the lotto is very easy but you can't show the prediction til after the event happens.

Whatever happens, it will not 'fail'. It could well be a cover for a different effect or it could be something like 'The System' which was great.

All in all it should be worth watching.

PCPhoto

MooseJam wrote: »

I'll be tuning in, he's always impressive but I can't see this as being anything but fail - it's on at 10.35 on 4, that's kinda late what time is the english lotto draw at.

??? wrote: »

The draw starts at 10.35 as well but they ****e on for a few minutes beforehand.

I'm unsure as to what he is actually doing to be honest, predicting the lotto is very easy but you can't show the prediction til after the event happens.

All in all it should be worth watching.

Ok....so he's on at 10.35..... the draw starts at 10.35 .... not sure what he's doing ........ is he just calling out the numbers tonight :P

in fairness - its great to predict the numbers - minutes/seconds before they come up (after you cant get any more tickets)

luvs2spooge

Well he got em right anyway!

Made for good watching!

An eloborate stunt indeed.........intriguing none the less!
Will be good to see the programme Friday night bout it.

Did he actually do the lotto or was he just predicting for the fun of it??.....sickner if he didnt...lol

IMC042

he did it. i thought he was going to tell us the numbers for the next draw so we could do a ticket so really was kind of pointless. who's going to watch friday night to see him explain it? bet he'll say it was some stupid illusion. i want to win the lotto!!!



ps: i wonder if he did a ticket himself? why wouldn't he ?

Penn

I think he said that he wouldn't buy a ticket because if anybody else really won, they'd only get half the money. Same with telling us next weeks numbers, if everyone entered, they'd only get a small fraction of the jackpot. He wasn't allowed to interfere with the actual process of 'random selection of numbers - people winning' as part of his agreement with the Lotto people

so wait, did he say the numbers before the draw and after you can buy tickets?

otherwise, i'm completely indifferent..

MooseJam

always impressive will be watching on friday his show on now is good too.

Na0

Put it this way a PREdiction would have been viable, anything could have been going on to put those numbers on the balls as they were drawn..

Like think about it this way why did derren not get someone from his family that no one could have known that was related to him or paid someone random infact to do a ticket with his '5 numbers' on it then it would have been timestamped and sealed with 'authenticity'?

i didnt see any bookies taking odds on him getting them right and do they take bets on tv programs xfactor anyone? lol

zuroph

lol at people arguing that its fake. of course its fake, its called an illusion. its guessing the method is the entertaining part, hence giving us two days to speculate.

Na0

zuroph wrote: »

lol at people arguing that its fake. of course its fake, its called an illusion. its guessing the method is the entertaining part, hence giving us two days to speculate.

ive only heard about this since monday and any real 'illusionist' would have turned each ball as it was called (thus making the illusion atleast xxx times better) presuming derren has ears and a remote control after the fuss about them only being able to broadcast so many mins of bbc, im not saying its not fake because it blatantly is,

If predicting random numbers and spouting random ****e about people only getting half the money then the rain man would have been skull******* bill gates as steve jobs poured him a martini...

with the money he could have made, oh not forgetting 'according to derren brown' conman

zuroph

Na0 wrote: »

ive only heard about this since monday and any real 'illusionist' would have turned each ball as it was called presuming derren has ears and a remote control after the fuss about them only being able to broadcast so many mins of bbc, im not saying its not fake because it blatantly is,

If predicting random numbers and spouting random ****e about people only getting half the money then the rain man would have been skull******* bill gates as steve jobs poured him a martini...

with the money he could have made, oh not forgetting 'according to derren brown' conman

but he's admitting its an illusion, why are you so stressed about him doing it? and no illusionist could possibly turn each ball as it was announced live, unless he's got one hell of a steady thumbwriter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZ2mQczkcg

Na0

im not stressed lol, i didnt even know he was calling it an illusion until u told me so i dont know why im posting about him if thats the case :P

banchang

Na0 wrote: »

im not stressed lol, i didnt even know he was calling it an illusion until u told me so i dont know why im posting about him if thats the case :P

agree

ScumLord

I'll be expecting a full explanation here by close of business tomorrow. :pac:

ArmCandyBaby

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZ2mQczkcg

Might as well have a stab at this...

Check out around the 5.10 mark on this video, the camera goes completely still against the background for about 2 seconds (concentrate on the left of the video where the balls are) while during the rest of the time it's swaying very slightly.

Anybody else see this and make anything of it? I was hoping it wouldn't be just camera trickery and actually be something really clever worth revealing.

Futurism

23 35 11 28 39 02 (15)?

spartan1

I think it had somet to do with that board he was writing on ...........or , that little stand that the balls were on was on fact a little printer and as the numbers were printed it rotates the balls up to their position, actually, that wouldnt be hard at all to do.................wheres my black suit...........:cool:

IMC042

The numbers could not have been printed on the balls as they were called out because they were in chronological order. That gave him about 10 seconds from the last ball called to revealing what numbers he had. I think we can rule out a printer. It's confusing me. He must really have found a way to predict them!!! How can it possibly be an illusion ?? Any logical suggestions?

spartan1

IMC042 wrote: »

The numbers could not have been printed on the balls as they were called out because they were in chronological order. That gave him about 10 seconds from the last ball called to revealing what numbers he had. I think we can rule out a printer.

im not saying for certain that is what he did but I do think that it is enough time...........tis plenty, very fast printer

its unlikely maybe........but certainly possible, its also as logical as anything, like saying there was someone standing there putting on the numbers on a cut half of the screen, invisible to us.........could have been a green screen or whatever they call it......again i dont know, but anything is possible, im sure he had a cool method.........

silverharp

he said t was the product of a years work , so it would be very lame if its just some electronic trick.

Hyzepher

Looks like it definately a split screen camera trick. If you keep your eye on the left most ball (right most once he rotates the stand) you will notice that the ball isn't touching the bottom of the placeholder - before the trick begins it is. So whoever replaced the balls didn't push it down far enough. It looks like Derren noticed this and that's why it touches the balls afterward to replace it.

banchang

From The Times

Last night he claimed that an earlier meeting with Camelot, the lottery organiser, had established that the BBC had exclusive rights to announce the winning numbers first. This meant he could not show us the numbers on his ping-pong balls before the draw was made. But that, surely, was nonsense. It cannot be illegal to announce your prediction. He just didn’t want us to see them.

oeb

banchang wrote: »

From The Times

Last night he claimed that an earlier meeting with Camelot, the lottery organiser, had established that the BBC had exclusive rights to announce the winning numbers first. This meant he could not show us the numbers on his ping-pong balls before the draw was made. But that, surely, was nonsense. It cannot be illegal to announce your prediction. He just didn’t want us to see them.

I think that had he revealed them beforehand, this could have damaged the integrity of Camelot. Secondly, he can not really predict the future, it is just a trick. It is unlikely that he knew what the numbers were before hand.

Dublin_Gunner

I'd say it was very simply done.

He was given the numbers, before the 'live' lotto broadcast, showed the draw.

There is always going to be a little delay in between the recording of the 'live' broadcast, and it actually going out on air.

An ear-piece with someone telling him the numbers as they are drawn is all it would have taken.

banchang

also in the Times

Easily done by a split-screen effect, after giving the viewer the illusion that a hand-held shaky camera is being used (it isn't, it's on a tripod - look at left-hand side of screen when Derren says "28" - there is a sudden freeze for a couple of seconds). Between Derren saying "23" & "28", the left-hand ball moves upwards! (clearly the moment of mixing from split-screen to full-screen again, after correct-numbered balls have been placed). At the end when camera zooms in to Derren behind the balls, the camera is now magically rock-steady, even though it is a zoom shot so should be less steady! (they forgot to add the post-production-shake in here, oops!)

ScumLord

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

I'd say it was very simply done.

He was given the numbers, before the 'live' lotto broadcast, showed the draw.

There is always going to be a little delay in between the recording of the 'live' broadcast, and it actually going out on air.

An ear-piece with someone telling him the numbers as they are drawn is all it would have taken.

Or even if they could somehow put a TV right in front of him so he could see the numbers being drawn.

sbsquarepants

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Tellox

It took a full year of his life - and in around 5:13 of the broadcast, he turns the live tv off, the motion gets a little funny (slower and faster), he stares at a spot on the ground and stands perfectly still there, while a clicking noise is heard as he walks on.

My bet - he pre-recorded not all, but millions of combinations over the past year. Probably gave himself a 1/3 - 1/2 chance of winning.

And I hope it's not split screen camera trickery - that'd be such an insult to his fans.

silverharp

Tellox wrote: »

It took a full year of his life - and in around 5:13 of the broadcast, he turns the live tv off, the motion gets a little funny (slower and faster), he stares at a spot on the ground and stands perfectly still there, while a clicking noise is heard as he walks on.

My bet - he pre-recorded not all, but millions of combinations over the past year. Probably gave himself a 1/3 - 1/2 chance of winning.

And I hope it's not split screen camera trickery - that'd be such an insult to his fans.

good idea, he did that before with a coin toss trick he did, and horse bet so would fit in with his style of tricks

Hyzepher

The ball were definately tampered with so it looks like a split screen effect.

voxpop

if its split screen, then its a load of bollix. Any fool can do a split screen camera trickery "illusion".

Linguo

We thought about the coin trick as well but it seems like it would take FOREVER to get the combo you wanted out of the lotto balls, I really hope it's something clever and not a split screen thing, he had us stumped anyway, can't wait for the reveal tomorrow!

tisnotover

a blog has been set-up for possible explanations:

http://derrenbrownlotteryprediction.wordpress.com/

Linguo

ArmCandyBaby wrote: »

Might as well have a stab at this...

Check out around the 5.10 mark on this video, the camera goes completely still against the background for about 2 seconds (concentrate on the left of the video where the balls are) while during the rest of the time it's swaying very slightly.

Anybody else see this and make anything of it? I was hoping it wouldn't be just camera trickery and actually be something really clever worth revealing.

This is interesting actually I wonder if that's something to do with the trick!! Derren brown is brill, bf just finished his book and said its awesome

jonnyfingers

I've followed Derren Brown's work from the start, right back when he was a fantastic card magician and only dabbled in tricks of the mind. I believe all the shaky camera effects and the fact that the camera appeared still for a crucial second or two are just examples of misdirection, gently directing you down the wrong path of discovery. And it seems to be working as that's the explanation most people seem to have. I can't wait to see how he did the trick tomorrow. However as has been done with a few of his previous explanations I predict that he will give a false explanation for the trick to protect the real one.

To my mind the only actual method he has ever revealed has been the Chess Method where he played 8 simultaneous games of chess against 8 grand masters, drawing some games and actually winning a few of them.

I will be a bit disappointed if the method turns out to be purely camera tricks but I must give it to the man, this is one of the best publicity stunts in recent times. Far better than David Blaine sitting in a bloody box!

zuroph

Im fairly certain ive it worked out now. its not a split screen thing.

Handsome Bob

Yeah I mean, if as a previous poster claimed that Brown said this took a year to perfect, surely it could not be down to something as straight forward as a split screen?

horgan_p

I've followed Derren since "the devils picture book" days, I really hope its a clever one ahead type situation (how ,i dont know).I keep being reminded of an effect I saw once performed by Keith Barry with a prediction in a balloon , however that method just wouldn't work here.

Bear in mind that all predictions are based on either altering the prediction after the fact or influencing the event being predicted.
Looking forward to seeing the explanation , however with Andy Nyman on board, my guess is its something very very cheeky.
One of the best dvds i've bought in years is "get Nyman" it is truly amazing and very cheeky at the same time.

I really , really hope it isnt split screen.

zuroph

i'll put money on it not being split screen with someone...

bit of a bogey

What rubbish! His tricks and programs are getting worse. I was once a big fan but I wudnt be bothered watchin him anymore. My guess would be he used as split screen. I hope he doesnt try and give some bull method of how he influenced the results. Im just not buying it.

I would be more impressed if I heard nothing about this stunt but instead read in the newspaper the next morning that Derren Brown won the lotto last nite and is now sitting on a beach in the bahamas. Now that would get me wondering!

There was no reason why he coulnt have shown his prediction before the draw. Instead he gives us rubbish about how its illegal. You can't buy lottery tickets 5 mins before a draw anyway!

Also Derren Brown is known for doing stuff in front of a live audience. There was no reason why he couldn't have at least done that! A cheap publicity stunt!

bit of a bogey

Regardless if a split screen was used or not, there is no way in hell that Derren Brown would come on the TV on Friday night and explain in one line that his biggest public stunt was done using a split screen!

ShooterSF

bit of a bogey wrote: »

What rubbish! His tricks and programs are getting worse. I was once a big fan but I wudnt be bothered watchin him anymore. My guess would be he used as split screen. I hope he doesnt try and give some bull method of how he influenced the results. Im just not buying it.

I would be more impressed if I heard nothing about this stunt but instead read in the newspaper the next morning that Derren Brown won the lotto last nite and is now sitting on a beach in the bahamas. Now that would get me wondering!

There was no reason why he coulnt have shown his prediction before the draw. Instead he gives us rubbish about how its illegal. You can't buy lottery tickets 5 mins before a draw anyway!

Also Derren Brown is known for doing stuff in front of a live audience. There was no reason why he couldn't have at least done that! A cheap publicity stunt!

bit of a bogey wrote: »

Regardless if a split screen was used or not, there is no way in hell that Derren Brown would come on the TV on Friday night and explain in one line that his biggest public stunt was done using a split screen!

So no explanation of the trick will satisfy you? How could he show the numbers before hand? If he could do that he would need toactually predict the numbers. Which is impossible.

bit of a bogey

Did he not say he was going to predict the lotto??

ShooterSF

bit of a bogey wrote: »

Did he not say he was going to predict the lotto??

Yes but he's an illusionist. His job is to make it look like he did and confuse you in how he did. Surely you didn't expect him to actually predict it? There is no way to predict the lotto unless your psychic and no one is.

ScumLord

zuroph wrote: »

i'll put money on it not being split screen with someone...

I'm a firm believer in the engineering term KISS (Keep it simple stupid) that's why most of the more complicated solutions don't fly with me but the split screen theory is just to obvious to make it onto telle.

zuroph

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm a firm believer in the engineering term KISS (Keep it simple stupid) that's why most of the more complicated solutions don't fly with me but the split screen theory is just to obvious to make it onto telle.

Which is why i think its a perspective trick

ScumLord

zuroph wrote: »

Which is why i think its a perspective trick

Probably, and given the way he walked in from the side showing that their where no mirrors (that we could see) and giving a fairly wide view of the place it would be impressive and I'm looking forward to seeing how he pulled it off.

zuroph

ScumLord wrote: »

Probably, and given the way he walked in from the side showing that their where no mirrors (that we could see) and giving a fairly wide view of the place it would be impressive and I'm looking forward to seeing how he pulled it off.

i think the backdrop is much much closer than it appears, and the reflections on the floor are painted/printed on also. the whole backdrop is flat and close. if you watch, he steps in very carefully behind the balls at the end, like he hasnt much space behind the stand to move. If he has to fill a show on how he did it, it could be a fly on the wall type documentary on the progress of setting up for the trick.