Live Webcast Lisbon Debate on now!

Euro_Kraut

Sorry, if this has already been posted but this is news to me.

Right now http://www.rte.ie/live/ is hosting a retuers.com debate from the Shelboure Hotel. Its features Mary Lou McDonald, Dick Roche, David Begg and Nigel Farage (UKIP).

Just starting now. Should be interesting.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Oh christ... Dick Roche...

PopeBuckfastXVI

Farage gone straight for immigration.

Follows it up with Turkey.

Shocked that he avoids what Lisbon actually does...

marco_polo

No more referendums ever. Check :rolleyes:

PopeBuckfastXVI

Boom... sucker punches with the Article 48 'Big Lie'...

PopeBuckfastXVI

Nigel Farage is concerned I'm being 'bullied' into voting again.

I'm ok thanks Nige...

Dinner

Farage spouting on about the usual ****e about the Dutch and French being ignored and the Irish being bullied.

He really doesn't care about any sort of facts.

PopeBuckfastXVI

So doesn't actually mention anything in Lisbon.

And he's on the 'no' side!? :eek:

marco_polo

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Oh christ... Dick Roche...

Not terrible so far, mind he hasn't had to talk to other people yet. :pac:

Dinner

Good aul Mary Lou planting the seeds of doubt "but the decision could be overturned"...

BlitzKrieg

and the mistake is no one shoots down mary lou's *the gaurantee's are worthless* argument, that will pay dividends for her argument for days to come.

AuRevoir

Fair play to Nigel Farage for pointing out Dick Roche's false prophecies on immigration regarding Nice.

flamez911

Why the hell is Nigel Farage being invited to debate Lisbon in Ireland- if he had his way he wouldn't be allowed in our country without a visa because the EU would be dissolved.

PopeBuckfastXVI

AuRevoir wrote: »

Fair play to Nigel Farage for pointing out Dick Roche's false prophesies on immigration regarding Nice.

Yes I always love to see people dragging irrelevancies into a debate. I'm sure you're delighted he didn't even mention a single article or aspect of the Lisbon treaty also...

PopeBuckfastXVI

Here we go:

Mary Lou dragging 'the banks' into it...

AuRevoir

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Yes I always love to see people dragging irrelevancies into a debate. I'm sure you're delighted he didn't even mention a single article or aspect of the Lisbon treaty also...

I'm sure the point Farage was making was that Roche was utterly wrong on Nice and he's more than likley utterly wrong on Lisbon too.

Dinner

AuRevoir wrote: »

I'm sure the point Farage was making was that Roche was utterly wrong on Nice and he's more than likley utterly wrong on Lisbon too.

Farage also made the point that 84% of German laws come from the EU. Another lie from Nige. So it's more than likely he's utterly wrong on Lisbon too.

PopeBuckfastXVI

AuRevoir wrote: »

I'm sure the point Farage was making was that Roche was utterly wrong on Nice and he's more than likley utterly wrong on Lisbon too.

I'm sure that's the inference he was trying to draw, and I'm sure there are fools who will follow it...

Other people just refer to it as an ad hominem fallacy and deal with the subject at hand...

marco_polo

AuRevoir wrote: »

I'm sure the point Farage was making was that Roche was utterly wrong on Nice and he's more than likley utterly wrong on Lisbon too.

Not nearly as wrong as Mary Lou and the rest of her ilk.

undermine our sovereignty
bring us closer into a European Army and NATO and
relegate us to the second division of a two-tier European Union.

Check out all this BS
http://www.sinnfein.org/releases/01/nicemanifesto.html

PopeBuckfastXVI

Farage again attacks the Euro... nothing to do with Lisbon...

You're not in blighty anymore Nige, get with the programme...

Euro_Kraut

So the UKIP believes Ireland should leave the Euro.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Mary Lou: Membership of EU irrelevant to FDI.

Thank christ she'll never be in charge of a ministerial portfolio...

Euro_Kraut

Bridgit Laffen lays into UKIP!!! Go on girl!

marco_polo

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Bridgit Laffen lays into UKIP!!! Go on girl!

Ouch for unite too. British region

Dinner

Farage's response to Laffen was to attack her character. Well done.

marco_polo

Farange discharges shotgun into foot.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Yep, if you can't play the ball you can always hack at the man...

marco_polo

FT asking question?

Euro_Kraut

Dinner wrote: »

Farage's response to Laffen was to attack her character. Well done.

She is well known in Ireland. No need to explain who she was.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Mary Lou doesn't care what the treaty does, just what it says...

genius...

Euro_Kraut

marco_polo wrote: »

Ouch for unite too. British region

I guess this is what she was on about: http://www.unitetheunion.com/regions.aspx

marco_polo

Good question thrown at ML. Apparently 26 member will states out to get us later on and reverse the commissioner decision. :rolleyes:

PopeBuckfastXVI

ML: Intel doesn't recognise Unions and they are calling for a Yes! :eek:

I wonder does David Begg recognise Unions...

Farage lies about legal status about guarantees...

Edit:
F*cking pulled up on it!

Dinner

Seems like Farage is trying to fill the space left by Ganley.

I'm not sure who I dislike more.

AuRevoir

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

She is well known in Ireland. No need to explain who she was.

I assume you are a Monnet professor?

Effectively paid to indoctrinate people.....

Ouch.

marco_polo

Guarantees worthless, check. Getting caned by the guy who asked the question.

marco_polo

AuRevoir wrote: »

I assume you are a Monnet professor?

Effectively paid to indoctrinate people.....

Ouch.

Indeed even I was embarrassed for him.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Farage's guy hit's back with Nice 1 & immigration.

Do they have any other points... you know, one's related to the treaty?


Oh wait he does! No to Lisbon to berid us of FF!

Euro_Kraut

Dinner wrote: »

Seems like Farage is trying to fill the space left by Ganley.

Ganley is a far more polished performer. Farage relies on theatrics. I don't think that Farage will make much of an impact here.

PopeBuckfastXVI

ML: You say people with a 'different point of view' are liars.

Didn't he actually say people who tell lies are liars!?

PopeBuckfastXVI

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Ganley is a far more polished performer. Farage relies on theatrics. I don't think that Farage will make much of an impact here.

I hope he will...

marco_polo

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Ganley is a far more polished performer. Farage relies on theatrics. I don't think that Farage will make much of an impact here.

I think he will have a big impact, and I look forward to seeing more of him in debates.

Euro_Kraut

Just to clarify, by impact I mean ability to convince people of his position.

Isn't mad that SF are now the most respectable face of the NO campaign.

marco_polo

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Just to clarify, by impact I mean ability to convince people of his position.

Isn't mad that SF are now the most respectable face of the NO campaign.

Gathered that

marco_polo

Apparently Webcast will available on reuters.com soon for anyone arriving too late.

mickstupp

Well, Farage definitely convinced me... that he's a knobend.

Scofflaw

AuRevoir wrote: »

I assume you are a Monnet professor?

Effectively paid to indoctrinate people.....

Ouch.

Interesting. I thought I'd go and see how the same debate played out on politics.ie...and there were these two comments:

I assume you are a Monnet professor?

Effectively paid to indoctrinate people.....

Ouch.

That's by a poster called He3.

Fair play to Nigel Farrage for pointing out Roche's false prophesies on immigration regarding Nice.

That's by FutureTaoiseach, who is not unknown here. You have posted the same comments word for word - would you like to give an explanation that casts you in an extremely creditable light?

moderately,
Scofflaw

skearon

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Mary Lou: Membership of EU irrelevant to FDI.

Thank christ she'll never be in charge of a ministerial portfolio...

Even more unlikely now that she has no electoral mandate what so ever.

Defeated for the Dáil, and now defeated as a MEP - she's a bit of a slow learner...

marco_polo

Finally tracked down the podcast of this on rte.ie.

Lisbon Debate 7th September (1hr 30 mins)