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Stopped by Garda, Presented Insurance Etc within 10 Days, Still got Summons?

  • 07-09-2009 12:36pm
    #1
    3DataModem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭


    Hi,

    In Dec 2008 I got stopped in the Bus Lane in Clontarf by a Garda from Clontarf Station, and told to present my licence and insurance information at a Garda station within 10 days.

    I did so in Howth Station about 4 or 5 days later.

    However, I got a summons in the post today! Agh.

    So what's the best thing to do here...

    > contact the Garda in Clontarf
    > contact Howth Garda station
    > do something else?


Comments

  • #2
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Dont worry.

    If the license and insurance are in order then contact the Garda a few days before the court date and explain it to him. Then again on the morning of the Court date show up with the papers, show the Garda who stopped you and he will simply withdraw the matter..well 9 times out of 10 anyway.

    End of story.


  • #3
    3DataModem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Dont worry.

    If the license and insurance are in order then contact the Garda a few days before the court date and explain it to him. Then again on the morning of the Court date show up with the papers, show the Garda who stopped you and he will simply withdraw the matter..well 9 times out of 10 anyway.

    End of story.

    Thanks PG.

    Everything was in order (Tax, Insurance, Licence, etc) so I'm not worried.

    I got the fine in the post and paid it too pretty sharpish.

    So I really will have to turn up in court? Any way of avoiding that?


  • #4
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,808 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Ring the station that sent the summons. Tell them you presented in X Station on such a date and let them chase it up from there.


  • #5
    ScouseMouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭ScouseMouse


    What does the summons say? If its for being in a bus lane, well - you were !

    A couple of years ago, this happened to me. I got three summons for no licence, insurance and tax. Then three more for not presenting to the station.

    However, I did have them and did present them to Tallaght station.

    It turned out the guard at the station never entered it into the system so the guard that stopped me could only assume I didnt have them.

    I contacted the sergent in the station and explained and kicked up a bit of a stink. As it was a summons, I had to attend the court but as the guard had seen my paperwork outside, when the case was called he just asked for it to be withdrawn. It was, and that was that.

    Its probably just a mistake. But the first thing you need to do is get onto that guard.

    Good luck, and tell us how you get on.


  • #6
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    3DataModem wrote: »
    Thanks PG.

    Everything was in order (Tax, Insurance, Licence, etc) so I'm not worried.

    I got the fine in the post and paid it too pretty sharpish.

    So I really will have to turn up in court? Any way of avoiding that?

    Yes it is best to turn up.

    The sneaky cop might change his mind and let the matter go before the Judge even though he might tell you not to bother turning up..if you are not there the Judge will do you. Better to play it safe. If the cop does withdraw it..then you dont have to do anything and just wait for the Judge to strike it out.


    What did you get fined for? A fixed notice charge?


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  • #7
    3DataModem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    superscouse wrote: »
    What does the summons say? If its for being in a bus lane, well - you were !.

    The summons seems to be for not presenting insurance info.

    The Bus Lane thing was a fair cop, and I told the Garda this at the time and also paid the fine when it came in the door a few weeks later.

    I've left a message at the Garda station in question. I'll explain to him that I presented the doc's at Howth and see what he says. My recollection is that he was a very sound chap so finger's crossed.


  • #8
    3DataModem
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    partyguinness wrote: »
    What did you get fined for? A fixed notice charge?

    I believe so - can't remember what it said but it was definitely for the bus lane.


  • #9
    ScouseMouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭ScouseMouse


    Take an hour to go up to the station and ask for the seargent. Take the insurance document with you and explain you did present it. Show it to them again and even if the guard doesnt reply to your message, the seargent will mention it to him.

    Thats what I did. I took them to the court and showed the guard as well, and that was it.

    Mistakes happen, the guard will know that, unless he wants to be awkward...


  • #10
    3DataModem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    superscouse wrote: »
    Take an hour to go up to the station and ask for the seargent. Take the insurance document with you and explain you did present it. Show it to them again and even if the guard doesnt reply to your message, the seargent will mention it to him.

    Thats what I did. I took them to the court and showed the guard as well, and that was it.

    Mistakes happen, the guard will know that, unless he wants to be awkward...

    Sounds like a plan.

    I'll drop up to Clontarf station tomorrow if he hasn't called me back by then.

    I'll also dig out last year's insurance cert to show I was insured then.

    I'll also book the day off work on the day of the case - just in case!


  • #11
    3DataModem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    superscouse wrote: »
    unless he wants to be awkward...

    Definitely did not seem like the awkward type.


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  • #12
    Stainless_Steel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭Stainless_Steel


    3DataModem wrote: »
    I'll also book the day off work on the day of the case - just in case!

    Not meaning to cause a stir or anything, but I find these mistakes unacceptable when one has to take time off work etc. to go to court.

    What if you were in a trade where you were losing hundreds of euro because you had to go to court? Would the garda pay for your losses? :pac:


  • #13
    ScouseMouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭ScouseMouse


    Stainless_Steel wrote: »
    Not meaning to cause a stir or anything, but I find these mistakes unacceptable when one has to take time off work etc. to go to court.

    What if you were in a trade where you were losing hundreds of euro because you had to go to court? Would the garda pay for your losses? :pac:

    Advice like that will not help this situation. Unacceptable? maybe, but following this up is pointless. Dont bother going there, the last thing you want to do is annoy them. They can still be awkward if they want.

    There is no point even going there. I stood for four hours in Richmond Court with half the skangers in dublin just to hear "Case Dismissed"

    But the final result was OK.

    DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT CAUSING A FUSS.


  • #14
    3DataModem
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    Stainless_Steel wrote: »
    but I find these mistakes unacceptable

    Mistakes happen, I can accept it. As far as the Garda is concerned there is no mistake... hopefully I can convince him otherwise.


  • #15
    3DataModem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    superscouse wrote: »
    DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT CAUSING A FUSS.

    I am one of the lucky ones whose only had to ever call the Gardai once, and they saved my life as a result.

    So no grief from me. I'll enjoy the Friday off, and maybe pop up to see "Moon" in the Lighthouse Cinema afterwards.


  • #16
    ScouseMouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭ScouseMouse


    3DataModem wrote: »
    I am one of the lucky ones whose only had to ever call the Gardai once, and they saved my life as a result.

    So no grief from me. I'll enjoy the Friday off, and maybe pop up to see "Moon" in the Lighthouse Cinema afterwards.

    Followed by a nice cool pint.....


  • #17
    3DataModem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    superscouse wrote: »
    Followed by a nice cool pint.....

    Preceded and followed.

    3 day weekend.... lovely.


  • #18
    3DataModem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    Update: dropped into Clontarf today. Spoke to a friendly Garda.

    Basically when I presented my insurance info at Howth Station it didn't cover the date in question. This was because my OH had passed get test during the year and we had been issued a new cert for the period between the date of passing and renewal.

    Fair enough I suppose.

    He told me when the Garda is next on duty, so he suggested I get the correct doc and show it to him.


  • #19
    Jax Teller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭Jax Teller


    happened to me i got six summons to court for no insurance , not producing insurance , no nct , not producing nct, no licence, not producing licence. although i had everythin and produced it all, went down the station i produced to asked them to make sure i produced them. the guard checked it out for me and said he would ring the other guard who summonsed me . i didn trust him to to this so i made the effort of going to the other guards station till i got a chance to see her , took 3 or 4 times to actually see her , when i did she remembered me and said it was all a mistake and that she knew i had everything and produced everything and that there was no need to go to court but the guard who said he would call her never bothered his arse of course


  • #20
    Jo King
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭Jo King


    Even when the guard says he will apply to have the charges struck out, my policy is to always go to court on the day, with all of the documents. It can be an absolute mess if something goes wrong.
    It might be several weeks before you realise there has been a conviction. If you have been banned from driving there is nothing you can do until the appeal is heard. You will be off the road and will have to advise your insurance company of the conviction.


  • #21
    Hooch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    Jo King wrote: »
    Even when the guard says he will apply to have the charges struck out, my policy is to always go to court on the day, with all of the documents. It can be an absolute mess if something goes wrong.
    It might be several weeks before you realise there has been a conviction. If you have been banned from driving there is nothing you can do until the appeal is heard. You will be off the road and will have to advise your insurance company of the conviction.

    +1....I'd go.....Gardaí are human. Human errors can be made and the application for a strike out can be genuinely forgotten.


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