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Satellite engineers organisation

  • 06-09-2009 05:03PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭


    It's about time a group of us "real experts" got together and enquired about forming a real professional satellite installer group ie : As CAI in the UK.

    1) Engineers having insurance.
    2) proper equipment.
    3) some sort of telecom training.
    4) H+S training.
    5) Company/Business VAT Numbers.

    Any Takers ?

    Lets first get a Name together ?

    If we don't do something then this business will go to the dogs,
    and who will suffer "The customer" which some of us don't want.


    Regards,


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  • Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 3,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭St Senan


    What About a name like ICSAI
    IRISH CABLE, SATELLITE AND AERIAL INSTALLERS.

    To be honest the only way to keep this buisness real is to make this buisness licenced like with Alarms and CCTV.
    This will sort out the long term Expiernced installers from the Quick buck Amateurs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭vsat


    Not bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭mjsmyth


    The problem is that anyone with a bit of sense can install a satellite system.... The difference between the fly by nights and the pros is the quality of the install and product.

    My main game is IT Consultant, hardware, software, networking, cabling and so on. There are plenty of cowboys out there in that field too, guys who have fixed their mates PC and think they can fix anything.

    I have, for some clients, installed a satellite system. I have done enough of them by now to do a reasonable job, but I know my limits and know that I am a far from a pro. installer.

    With regards to the Lidl kit, I bought one of their kits 5 years ago as an entry point to the world of satellite. The receiver lasted about 3 months before it died. That seemed to be a common problem back then. the bracket was crap, it bounced around like a baywatch honey running down a beach! In the end, I had a custom bracket made by a friend. The only part that still remains of the original install is the Dish...

    The idea for a register for installers seems like a good idea, it could / should offer the customer a level of assurance when it comes to their install.

    mj


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,193 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    vsat wrote: »
    It's about time a group of us "real experts" got together and enquired about forming a real professional satellite installer group ie : As CAI in the UK.

    1) Engineers having insurance.
    2) proper equipment.
    3) some sort of telecom training.
    4) H+S training.
    5) Company/Business VAT Numbers.

    Any Takers ?

    Lets first get a Name together ?

    If we don't do something then this business will go to the dogs,
    and who will suffer "The customer" which some of us don't want.


    Regards,
    Interesting idea. CAI seems a good benchmark in the UK, they even list rogue traders, who use the logo without a licence!

    Personally, I think it'd be good if CAI had an Irish arm, since their direction and setup is already well established. I think people here can register with CAI, though don't get some of the benefits, like insurance reductions.


  • Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 3,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭St Senan


    There is a lot of so called Satellite/Sky Experts coming out of the woodwork at moment. The amount of flyers and adds posted up in local papers and shops around country supplying cheap Free to air is going to damage the Aerial and Satellite market. A group of us installers here in co Wexford have been talking about this lately one of the guys who is a long time Aerial rigger has said that this buisness should be licenced like with the alarm and cctv installers. Another Expierienced installer said he pays x amount every year in tax/vat and public liabilaty
    and joe soap /fly by night down the road pays nothing and is able to do an install for up to €100 less.


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  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,193 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Mod Edit: I've moved posts from the other thread into here where they're relevant.

    For a brand, I don't think the brand should suggest "engineers" but instead either installers or riggers or maybe not refer to the job at all, but the overall category, akin to Confederation of Aerial Industries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭John mac


    P.F.J. :D:D:D

    couldnt resist..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,362 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    I was once a member of the CAI and gained very little from it to be brutally honest. Not all together surprising since its UK based but I thought since they had memebers in the North some benefit would accrue.

    byte wrote: »
    Personally, I think it'd be good if CAI had an Irish arm, since their direction and setup is already well established. I think people here can register with CAI, though don't get some of the benefits, like insurance reductions.

    Owner: satellite.ie



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭vsat


    Would some of the installers, who placed there remarks on this subject be interested in a face to face meeting to talk and maybe get this project up and running.

    With the digital change taking place in the next few years,"Terrestrial " it would be good, if we had a standard in place, for installation of digital terrestrial and other up and coming technolgies in this business : ie laser distrubition for satellite smatv systems.

    I have worked for a number of techo companies, and the amount of so called experts is unreal in the industry, with very little knowledge, and the bad work they do.
    PM me if interested ?

    We could put all this knowledge on this forum to good use, and into practice.


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,193 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    John mac wrote: »
    P.F.J. :D:D:D

    couldnt resist..
    Que? :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭mjsmyth


    P.F.J.

    petty freelance journalism....

    But this is the wrong forum for that :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭vsat


    All,

    Have a number of interested parties so far, anymore takers.
    This could be the beginging of a good thing for this business.:)

    Regards,

    PM me if interested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭John mac


    byte wrote: »
    Que? :confused:


    sorry! was watching The life of Brian.. (Peoples Front of Judea) etc etc...



    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,362 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    I wonder if we could get a better insurance deal on public liability?

    Owner: satellite.ie



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭oldyouth


    Tony wrote: »
    I wonder if we could get a better insurance deal on public liability?
    PM me on that issue if you wish


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭vsat


    I'm sure we could, but lets get this organisation up and running first, with the proper proposal for the insurance company, and all info first.

    Regards,

    Gerry


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭Nehaxak


    I'm no longer in the game these days but I think this is a good idea for those of you who are.
    I would highly recommend the GVF (www.gvf.org) for general advice/assistance/certification and for legal advice if needed I would personally highly recommend Christian Hyde from hydeandassociates.com
    EutelSat also carry out personal or small group training/certification sessions at their teleport in Paris (done this myself couple years back).

    If you put together a group and any of the above you find of interest and are ever stuck at all with making contacts with the above, just let me know and I'll help out. I mean as a group or representative of, not people PM'ing me asking me individual favours please :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,362 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    Agreed, just throwing out possible benefits.

    vsat wrote: »
    I'm sure we could, but lets get this organisation up and running first, with the proper proposal for the insurance company, and all info first.

    Regards,

    Gerry

    Owner: satellite.ie



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 meath01


    vsat wrote: »
    I'm sure we could, but lets get this organisation up and running first, with the proper proposal for the insurance company, and all info first.

    Regards,

    Gerry


    I'd be interested in the concept of an installers group, every other trade has one, and to be honest 12 years of experiance, and people still or want to pay nixer rates as 'joe down the road said he'd do it for 50euro'.

    I'm not for ripping people off, but when it comes to quoting for work other than one off domestic, I would prefer not to have to compete with 'joes' pricing. Sure just look at the sky digital market, its dead for a small firm to try make a living from.

    @gerry you should have my number??

    Noel F


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭vsat


    All,

    going very well,
    we have interest in the midlands, North west, Dublin, Cork, and Wexford.
    Where's the rest of the country ?

    regards,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    Count me in Limerick midwest area....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Rippy


    Just back from hols and just seen this . Very interested.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭vsat


    All,


    Irish Satellite and Aerial Association. ( ISAA )


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,193 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    vsat wrote: »
    All,


    Irish Satellite and Aerial Association. ( ISAA )
    Sounds good to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    Second that sounds great....does exactly what it says on the tin...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 meath01


    vsat wrote: »
    All,


    Irish Satellite and Aerial Association. ( ISAA )


    nice idea,

    but ISAA.ie is the irish schools athletics association, or irish ship agents association.

    to buy isaa.com is 4850usd.

    Noel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Rippy


    meath01 wrote: »
    nice idea,

    but ISAA.ie is the irish schools athletics association, or irish ship agents association.

    to buy isaa.com is 4850usd.

    Noel

    Could turn it around of course.
    IASA
    Irish Aerial and Satellite Association.
    Does not clash with any Irish initials that Google can find me and .ie available.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭vsat


    ISAA.tv

    is available,

    any suggestions ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Rippy


    vsat wrote: »
    ISAA.tv

    is available,

    any suggestions ?

    Good Idea.
    .tv works well for my own website


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    If ISAA is the skating assocition then flip the name...to IASA(IRISH Aerial And Satellite Association)....I personally think that a dot.ie address is essential but also feel a second domain name of dot.tv is a brillant idea.

    www.iasa.ie is currently available...but iasa.tv is some king of spirtuality site..


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