Kerry team of the 2000's Decade!

netwhizkid

Champions: 2000, 2004, 2006, 2007

Finalists: 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008

National Football League Champions: 2004, 2006, 2009

Defeated AI Finalists: 2002, 2005, 2008,

Munster Champions: 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007

Reached every All-Ireland Semi-Final this decade

Unbeaten in a Quarter final

Tyrone by contrast have: 2003, 2005, 2008

It is quite clear that Kerry are the team of the decade, also fair play to Cork for helping us Achieve this feat. And might I add that 2009 is not even finished yet and with a bit of luck we might make an unprecedented 6th All-Ireland final appearance in a row!

UP THE KINGDOM

Pride Fighter

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I would find it more impressive if a team like Charlton Athletic won 3 premiership titles in England but Manchester United won 4 in the same decade.

Tyrone had nothing coming into this decade, they had no tradition of winning, unlike Kerry who had about 30 all Irelands. When a county has tradition of winning it is easier for them to win. Look at the other semi final this year, Mayo have a tradition of choking and a poor Meath team beat them to make the semi. Even though this Meath team is poor, they have a great tradition of winning with seven all Irelands. Tyrone may have won one less all Ireland than Kerry, but they have started from nothing to get where they are. They also have invented their own style of football, which they have invented on their own which is extremely effective.

Tyrone are the team of the decade, it is that simple. They also beat the team with the most titles off the park whenever they played them;)

netwhizkid

Tyrone

Whatever, History remembers Winners and not losers and your rant harks of Sour Grapes, if Tyrone were the team of the Decade they would have beaten this Cork team and gone on to beat Kerry in the All-Ireland final if we makes it.

Kerry football went through upheaval in the period of 2001 to 2004 and the team since is practically a new team and Kerry have adopted to the challenges. Germany won a few battles in WWII but lost the War. In the Annals of Kerry football this has been a very successful decade and ties with the 1970's as our 3rd most successive decade ever. Should Kerry win this year it will equal the record of the Golden Years Kerry team set in the 1980's with 5 All-Ireland titles in the decade.

1903, 1904, 1909, Dublin team of the Decade
1913, 1914, Wexford team of the Decade
1924, 1926, 1929, Kerry team of the Decade
1930, 1931, 1932, 1937, 1939, Kerry team of the Decade
1940, 1941, 1946, Kerry team of the Decade
1953, 1955, 1959, Kerry team of the Decade
1962, 1969, Galway team of the Decade
1970, 1975, 1978, 1979, Kerry team of the Decade
1980, 1981, 1984, 1985, 1986, Kerry team of the Decade
1997, Meath team of the Decade
2000, 2004, 2006, 2007 Kerry team of the Decade

Tyrone are a flash in the pan and had Kildare defeated them they would be into the All-Ireland final no questions as Cork cannot score. Kieran Donaghy will be back if Kerry makes the Final and while it will not be like 2007 Kerry will top off what has been a great decade by the Kerry team who are the greatest Kerry team ever who have faced back doors, trap doors and wasps and referees notebooks. There is no arquement Kerry are the Team of the Decade and have sounded a warning shot heading into the 2010's and beyond.

Pride Fighter

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netwhizkid wrote: »

your rant harks of Sour Grapes,

What rant?? I was not ranting. I am also a Dub, so its not as if I am a Tyrone man.

DDC1990

Tyrone

@netwhizkid
Errr... Tyrone... as much history as we have with them are not just a "flash in the pan".
They have the second greatest manager of all time in charge of them (behind Micko), who had a team that could adapt to almost any team.
Fine they had their unsavoury mometns... but you don't win 3 All Irelands by being a Flash in the Pan.

Its really a pity Kerry hadn't been out there instead of Cork. I would have loved to put this "Kerry can't beat Tyrone" ****e behind us. Fair play to Tyrone for winning those All Irelands. And hard luck today. Ye were beaten by a better team.

rossie1977

netwhizkid wrote: »

Tyrone are a flash in the pan.

what are you 5 :rolleyes: i am not a tyrone or even an ulster man before you start replying with those words :pac:

the same flash in the pan team that kerry haven't come close to beating despite 3 attempts, the real litmus test were those kerry and tyrone games two A-I finals, tyrone were dominant, it doesn't matter that kerry beat mayo or fermanagh or clare or whoever, when they came up against tyrone EVERY time they failed

tyrone are no flash in the pan, they have been building years to get to where they got

recent minor all-irelands 1998, 2001, 2004, 2008

Tyrone recents Under 21s A-I
1991, 1992, 2000, 2001

netwhizkid

Tyrone

Kerry have defeated Tyrone several times in the National League and most recently when they did there was near riot up there, which included the suspension of Ryan McMenamin. Tyrone enjoyed the success of 3 All-Ireland titles, they are not traditional footballing superpowers and will slowly fade out of the scene like Armagh did. Antrim are the next Ulster team to watch out for imo. Winning three All-Ireland non back to back is not greatness, Kerry successfully defended their 2006 title in 2007 and became the first team since Cork in 1990 to do so.

Kerry defended their 2004, 2005 and 2007 titles all the way to the final in each occasion.

Tyrone set themselves a new record today by defending their all-Ireland title the furthest to the semi-final, they lost their 2003 title in 2004 to Mayo in the All-Ireland Quarter final. In 2006 Laois unceremoniously dumped them in round two of the qualifiers. Meath defeated them in the 2007 All-Ireland Quarter final and today was the furthest this Tyrone "team of the decade" :rolleyes: ever got in defending their title. How does this warrant the team to be consistent wheras if Kerry make the All-Ireland this year it will be our 8th All-Ireland final appearance this decade and still we are only 2nd best in the eyes of some, and they call the Kerry supporters animals! I wonder do the Kilkenny team face such cynicism?

K-9

netwhizkid wrote: »

1997, Meath team of the Decade

Nope, Down, 91 & 94 and arguably the 60's.

Think I see a pattern here! :rolleyes: Hint, teams that Kerry can't beat!

Think you should wait to after the AI too, because losing 4 finals isn't a great record with an easier run to AI Q/F's.

rossie1977

netwhizkid wrote: »

Kerry have defeated Tyrone several times in the National League and most recently when they did there was near riot up there, which included the suspension of Ryan McMenamin.

national league , my county roscommon beat tyrone and kerry in the national league up in tyrone and down in kerry as well as here in roscommon in the early 2000s, were we better than kerry or tyrone back then, i would like to think we were but i ain't that silly we continually beat mayo in the fbd league, we even beat them this year two months before the connaught championship, hell of alot of good that did us :mad:

Tyrone enjoyed the success of 3 All-Ireland titles, they are not traditional footballing superpowers and will slowly fade out of the scene like Armagh did. Antrim are the next Ulster team to watch out for imo. Winning three All-Ireland non back to back is not greatness, Kerry successfully defended their 2006 title in 2007 and became the first team since Cork in 1990 to do so.

maybe not arguing that and no antrim are not the next ulster team to watch, they will be lucky to win ulster (which i highly doubt), this tyrone team will be there or thereabouts for a while yet, they have some fantastic players coming through, last years winning minors e.g.

I wonder do the Kilkenny team face such cynicism?

no because kilkenny have beat cork on multiple occasions in the championship and have proved they are far and away the best team this decade by beating their closest rival in terms of A-I wins, kerry did not beat tyrone despite numerous chances, huge huge difference

netwhizkid

Tyrone

K-9 wrote: »

Nope, Down, 91 & 94 and arguably the 60's.

Think I see a pattern here! :rolleyes: Hint, teams that Kerry can't beat!

Think you should wait to after the AI too, because losing 4 finals isn't a great record with an easier run to AI Q/F's.

The Galway team won three in-a-row in the 1960's out of four final appearances and are the only team to ever defeat Kerry in two consecutive all-Ireland finals and it was the only time in history that Kerry lost consecutive all-Ireland's. Galway are definitely the team of that decade without a shadow of a doubt.

Meath contested four All-Ireland's in the 1990's winning two and won the Leinster Provincial championship on four occasions going onto make the All-Ireland each time. Meath also won the NFL in 1990 and 1994 whereas Down won no NFL title.

Down by comparison won the Ulster Championship on only two occasions in the same decade.

The most recent winner always claims the points in table and rank and hadf Tyrone won the All-Irl this year they would have won only 4 all-Irelands and despite Kerry having a better track record most people would declare Tyrone team of the decade when they were not.

History remembers the winners not the losers.

cruiserweight

Tyrone

netwhizkid wrote: »

1903, 1904, 1909, Dublin team of the Decade
1913, 1914, Wexford team of the Decade
1924, 1926, 1929, Kerry team of the Decade
1930, 1931, 1932, 1937, 1939, Kerry team of the Decade
1940, 1941, 1946, Kerry team of the Decade
1953, 1955, 1959, Kerry team of the Decade
1962, 1969, Galway team of the Decade
1970, 1975, 1978, 1979, Kerry team of the Decade
1980, 1981, 1984, 1985, 1986, Kerry team of the Decade
1997, Meath team of the Decade
2000, 2004, 2006, 2007 Kerry team of the Decade

That should be Wexford 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918

K-9

netwhizkid wrote: »

The Galway team won three in-a-row in the 1960's out of four final appearances and are the only team to ever defeat Kerry in two consecutive all-Ireland finals and it was the only time in history that Kerry lost consecutive all-Ireland's. Galway are definitely the team of that decade without a shadow of a doubt.

Meath contested four All-Ireland's in the 1990's winning two and won the Leinster Provincial championship on four occasions going onto make the All-Ireland each time. Meath also won the NFL in 1990 and 1994 whereas Down won no NFL title.

Down by comparison won the Ulster Championship on only two occasions in the same decade.

The most recent winner always claims the points in table and rank and hadf Tyrone won the All-Irl this year they would have won only 4 all-Irelands and despite Kerry having a better track record most people would declare Tyrone team of the decade when they were not.

History remembers the winners not the losers.

I'm afraid you have Kerry logic on this one! Leagues don't matter!

Suppose seeing as that Meath team hammered Kerry in 01, you'd probably see them as great. The Ulster Championship in the early 90's was like winning a mini All Ireland in itself with Donegal, Derry and Tyrone in it.

Even Tyrones 3 Ulsters this decade is an achievement equal to 6 Munsters.

Anyway, if Kerry lose the SF or Final, there is question marks over them.

netwhizkid

Tyrone

cruiserweight wrote: »

That should be Wexford 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918

The dates given are All-Ireland victories by Kerry and the corresponding team of the decade.

To add to Meath's credibility as the team of the nineties they resurfaced in 2001 and gave Kerry the biggest defeat ever suffered by a Kerry team in Croke Park and Graham Geraghty rose from the dead in 2007 to help Meath defeat Tyrone also. Meath have alot more football in them than people give them credit for, they also have 7 All-Ireland titles and are in fourth position in terms of greatness behind Kerry, Dublin and Galway.

I await them next Sunday with a health warning as Meath will rise their game but Kerry will still have too much in the tank overall I think.

grenache

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Tyrone had nothing coming into this decade, they had no tradition of winning, unlike Kerry who had about 30 all Irelands. When a county has tradition of winning it is easier for them to win. Even though this Meath team is poor, they have a great tradition of winning with seven all Irelands.

Tyrone are the team of the decade, it is that simple. They also beat the team with the most titles off the park whenever they played them;)

While i agree with you that Tyrone are the team of the decade, i think Kerrys tradition/Tyrone's lack of one is irrelevant on the team of the decade debate. For me, one of the criteria to judge who was the better team is who had the harder run in during each years in which they won All Irelands. Both counties have to beat whats in front of them. But it could be said that Kerry have it much easier in Munster than Tyrone have it in Ulster. Apart from Cork (and sometimes Limerick) Kerry have no other challengers in the province. Tyrone have Armagh, Derry, Donegal, Monaghan, Fermanagh, Down, Cavan and now Antrim too, to compete with in Ulster. Dont get me wrong, Kerry have played some super football througout this decade and its a very close call. But the deciding factor for me is the championship meetings between the two sides. Tyrone win this battle 3-0.


I do think you're being very unfair on Meath calling them a poor team. Poor teams dont reach All Ireland semi's. Having seen them in action myself, they have some wonderfully talented guys like Joe Sheridan, Cian Ward, Nigel Crawford, not to mention Stephen Bray. They'll be a lot closer to Kerry than people think. Meath have a lot of resilience about them. They're skillful while also being dogged.

K-9

grenache wrote: »

While i agree with you that Tyrone are the team of the decade, i think it is Kerrys tradition/Tyrone's lack of one is irrelevant on the team of the decade debate. For me, one of the criteria to judge who was the better team is who had the harder run in. Both counties have to beat whats in front of them. But it could be said that Kerry have it much easier in Munster than Tyrone have it in Ulster. Apart from Cork (and sometimes Limerick) Kerry have no other challengers in the province. Tyrone have Armagh, Derry, Donegal, Monaghan, Fermanagh, Down, Cavan and now Antrim too, to compete with in Ulster. Dont get me wrong, Kerry have played some super football througout this decade and its a very close call. But the deciding factor for me is the championship meetings between the two sides. Tyrone win this battle 3-0.

The other factor over looked is how many games it took for counties to win or reach AI S/F's or even a Q/F. Kerry usually play 5/6 games at most, this year being the exception because they met Cork in the Munster SF.

Tyrone played 7 games last year to win it and I think 10 in 05.

They had in fact won their last 10 championship matches until today.

tororosso

The whole team of the decade notion is an absolute joke. What does it mean anyway??
Whoever coined it to describe Tyrone has now set up this tedious reaction from Kerry people! Why cant there be two teams of this decade??!
Seriously though, I think Tyrone has been given this 'accolade' for beating their nearest rival in the last 3 All Irelands that they came up against them..pure and simple. The other reason that people favour Tyrone over Kerry for the esteemed 'accolade' of being best of last ten years is that Tyrone had to beat serious opposition to win their All Irelands (including Kerry) whereas Kerry came up against sadly brittle Mayo and Cork teams for 3 of those All Irelands.

Another thing is the current structure of the All Ireland series where some provinces are highly packed with relatively decent quality teams and others have one, maybe two, decent teams in a given year....Tyrone came from the former province while Kerry come from the latter...

mrgaa1

The best three teams of the decade have been Kerry, Tyrone & Armagh.
Kerrys record is excellent as previously stated in other posts - Tyrone have won 3 all -irelands this decade, Armagh won an All-Ireland, made another final, won the national league and 6 Ulster titles.
Anyhow its silly because the team that played in 2001 are not the same as 2009.

newmills

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netwhizkid wrote: »

Whatever, History remembers Winners and not losers and your rant harks of Sour Grapes, if Tyrone were the team of the Decade they would have beaten this Cork team and gone on to beat Kerry in the All-Ireland final if we makes it.

Kerry football went through upheaval in the period of 2001 to 2004 and the team since is practically a new team and Kerry have adopted to the challenges. Germany won a few battles in WWII but lost the War. In the Annals of Kerry football this has been a very successful decade and ties with the 1970's as our 3rd most successive decade ever. Should Kerry win this year it will equal the record of the Golden Years Kerry team set in the 1980's with 5 All-Ireland titles in the decade.

1903, 1904, 1909, Dublin team of the Decade
1913, 1914, Wexford team of the Decade
1924, 1926, 1929, Kerry team of the Decade
1930, 1931, 1932, 1937, 1939, Kerry team of the Decade
1940, 1941, 1946, Kerry team of the Decade
1953, 1955, 1959, Kerry team of the Decade
1962, 1969, Galway team of the Decade
1970, 1975, 1978, 1979, Kerry team of the Decade
1980, 1981, 1984, 1985, 1986, Kerry team of the Decade
1997, Meath team of the Decade
2000, 2004, 2006, 2007 Kerry team of the Decade

Tyrone are a flash in the pan and had Kildare defeated them they would be into the All-Ireland final no questions as Cork cannot score. Kieran Donaghy will be back if Kerry makes the Final and while it will not be like 2007 Kerry will top off what has been a great decade by the Kerry team who are the greatest Kerry team ever who have faced back doors, trap doors and wasps and referees notebooks. There is no arquement Kerry are the Team of the Decade and have sounded a warning shot heading into the 2010's and beyond.

Absolute tripe

Flash in the pan......no

Have kerry beaten them in the championship this decade....no

Cork cannot score......rubbish

I will happily take a bet with you, following on from another post of yours claiming that antrim are going to be the next big team in ulster - I will give €50 to a mod of your choice at the start of each championship for the next 5 years. At the end of 5 years the team with more success - tyrone or antrim - the money will be paid out if antrim are more successful.

By the way congratulations to cork today...truly magnificent. No shame in being beaten by a better team.

K-9

newmills wrote: »

Absolute tripe

Flash in the pan......no

Have kerry beaten them in the championship this decade....no

Cork cannot score......rubbish

I will happily take a bet with you, following on from another post of yours claiming that antrim are going to be the next big team in ulster - I will give €50 to a mod of your choice at the start of each championship for the next 5 years. At the end of 5 years the team with more success - tyrone or antrim - the money will be paid out if antrim are more successful.

By the way congratulations to cork today...truly magnificent. No shame in being beaten by a better team.

Kerry probably will go down as team of the decade, though the 2000 team can hardly be compared to this years team. They need to win this AI or even in future years, it will be arguable.

What will live on is like Down, people will know Tyrone as a county that has no fear of Kerry! That's why this Team of the decade is so important to a Kerry man like the OP.

netwhizkid wrote:

The Galway team won three in-a-row in the 1960's out of four final appearances and are the only team to ever defeat Kerry in two consecutive all-Ireland finals and it was the only time in history that Kerry lost consecutive all-Ireland's. Galway are definitely the team of that decade without a shadow of a doubt.

Not without a shadow of a doubt. Down beat Kerry 2 years in a row too, in the 60 Final and 61 S/F and for good measure the Final in 68, so on that yardstick Down equal Galway, even better them.

I did say it is arguable, but the 3 in a row gives it to Galway with Down a very close second. A lot of that team came back in 68, like Meath in 01.

Flukey

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Well, after today's result the debate of who is the team of the decade has been decisively decided beyond any doubt and any argument. It is, without a shadow of a doubt, Tyrone. Yet again, Kerry will be unable to beat them in the championship. Tyrone have today managed to maintain their 100% record against Kerry in the championship in this decade. So it has to be Tyrone as team of the decade. There are no other contenders.

Going a bit wider than this decade, Cork have maintained their all-time 100% record against Tyrone in the championship, whereas Kerry only have a 25% all-time success record against them. So that puts Cork above Kerry. Then of course with Dublin being the last team to have beaten Tyrone in an All-Ireland final, you'd put them up ahead of Kerry, and then add in the fact that they have beaten them twice as many times in the championship as Kerry have, you move Kerry down further. Before today, the last team to beat Tyrone in the championship was Down, a team that Kerry have never beaten in a championship match.

So if Kerry people think they can take anything out of today's result, in terms of this decade and beyond, they are sadly mistaken. Even Kerry people themselves were saying that the result of last year's final would definitively decide which of Kerry and Tyrone were the team of the decade, and we know what the result of that was. This debate was decided at the final whistle of last year's All-Ireland final, so it isn't an issue now. So there you have it by total consensus, with the full support and agreement of Kerry fans starting from the moment they and we knew who would contest last year's final, Tyrone are the undisputed team of the decade. Nothing more to see here, move on, move on.

soundsham

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started @ 5:12 today enough said:rolleyes:

K-9

Flukey wrote: »

Well, after today's result the debate of who is the team of the decade has been decisively decided beyond any doubt and any argument. It is, without a shadow of a doubt, Tyrone. Yet again, Kerry will be unable to beat them in the championship. Tyrone have today managed to maintain their 100% record against Kerry in the championship in this decade. So it has to be Tyrone as team of the decade. There are no other contenders.

Going a bit wider than this decade, Cork have maintained their all-time 100% record against Tyrone in the championship, whereas Kerry only have a 25% all-time success record against them. So that puts Cork above Kerry. Then of course with Dublin being the last team to have beaten Tyrone in an All-Ireland final, you'd put them up ahead of Kerry, and then add in the fact that they have beaten them twice as many times in the championship as Kerry have, you move Kerry down further. Before today, the last team to beat Tyrone in the championship was Down, a team that Kerry have never beaten in a championship match.

So if Kerry people think they can take anything out of today's result, in terms of this decade and beyond, they are sadly mistaken. Even Kerry people themselves were saying that the result of last year's final would definitively decide which of Kerry and Tyrone were the team of the decade, and we know what the result of that was. This debate was decided at the final whistle of last year's All-Ireland final, so it isn't an issue now. So there you have it by total consensus, with the full support and agreement of Kerry fans starting from the moment they and we knew who would contest last year's final, Tyrone are the undisputed team of the decade. Nothing more to see here, move on, move on.

I'd say the Kerry players wanted Tyrone, because of the above. They have nothing to prove against Cork whereas Cork have something to prove!

Flukey

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soundsham wrote: »

started @ 5:12 today enough said:rolleyes:

No, no, no. It did not start at 5:12pm today. This debate started when the pairing for last year's final was first known, as you would know if you were looking in here then, and that result still stands. So by what Kerry fans were saying around this time last year and right up until the All-Ireland final, this debate started last August and finished definitively at the final whistle of last year's final. They can try and go back on their word now, as they have tried since that final whistle, but it was decided last September that Tyrone are the team of the decade. There was no longer a debate then and there hasn't been for the past 11 months, no matter what happened since, or what is still to happen. That's according to what the Kerry fans were saying in late August and for much of September, until a certain whistle blew. Kerry people know their football, so we have to go along with what they were saying and agree with them that Tyrone are the team of the decade, as decided once and for all and beyond any dispute, at the final whistle of last year's All-Ireland final. So as I said, move on, move on, there is nothing to see here any more. Have you no homes to go to?

K-9

Flukey wrote: »

No, no, no. It did not start at 5:12pm today. This debate started when the pairing for last year's final was first known, as you would know if you were looking in here then, and that result still stands. So by what Kerry fans were saying around this time last year and right up until the All-Ireland final, this debate started last August and finished definitively at the final whistle of last year's final. They can try and go back on their word now, as they have tried since that final whistle, but it was decided last September that Tyrone are the team of the decade. There was no longer a debate then and there hasn't been for the past 11 months, no matter what happened since, or what is still to happen. That's according to what the Kerry fans were saying in late August and for much of September, until a certain whistle blew. Kerry people know their football, so we have to go along with what they were saying and agree with them that Tyrone are the team of the decade, as decided once and for all and beyond any dispute, at the final whistle of last year's All-Ireland final. So as I said, move on, move on, there is nothing to see here any more. Have you no homes to go to?

Sure hammering Mayo is so much sweeter than beating Tyrone!

What makes the Tyrone team great despite not winning a 2 in a row is beating Kerry! As Netwhizzkid argued, beating Kerry was the benchmark in the 60's!

Somethings never change!

lukin

netwhizkid wrote: »

Whatever, History remembers Winners and not losers and your rant harks of Sour Grapes, if Tyrone were the team of the Decade they would have beaten this Cork team and gone on to beat Kerry in the All-Ireland final if we makes it.

Kerry football went through upheaval in the period of 2001 to 2004 and the team since is practically a new team and Kerry have adopted to the challenges. Germany won a few battles in WWII but lost the War. In the Annals of Kerry football this has been a very successful decade and ties with the 1970's as our 3rd most successive decade ever. Should Kerry win this year it will equal the record of the Golden Years Kerry team set in the 1980's with 5 All-Ireland titles in the decade.

1903, 1904, 1909, Dublin team of the Decade
1913, 1914, Wexford team of the Decade
1924, 1926, 1929, Kerry team of the Decade
1930, 1931, 1932, 1937, 1939, Kerry team of the Decade
1940, 1941, 1946, Kerry team of the Decade
1953, 1955, 1959, Kerry team of the Decade
1962, 1969, Galway team of the Decade
1970, 1975, 1978, 1979, Kerry team of the Decade
1980, 1981, 1984, 1985, 1986, Kerry team of the Decade
1997, Meath team of the Decade
2000, 2004, 2006, 2007 Kerry team of the Decade

Tyrone are a flash in the pan and had Kildare defeated them they would be into the All-Ireland final no questions as Cork cannot score. Kieran Donaghy will be back if Kerry makes the Final and while it will not be like 2007 Kerry will top off what has been a great decade by the Kerry team who are the greatest Kerry team ever who have faced back doors, trap doors and wasps and referees notebooks. There is no arquement Kerry are the Team of the Decade and have sounded a warning shot heading into the 2010's and beyond.

And you were doing so well there....

netwhizkid

Tyrone

lukin wrote: »

And you were doing so well there....

Did you see the amount of missed chances they had in the 2nd half today against Tyrone, if Cork scored only about 50% of their missed opportunity they would have Tyrone sent out the gate beaten by 10 points or more. Cork can score but wasted alot of opportunities, if Kerry are lucky enough to meet them Cork will need to improve their accuracy alot from todays performance. The 2nd half was more a stale mate and I can't see either Meath or Kerry letting them off so lightly.

K-9

netwhizkid wrote: »

Did you see the amount of missed chances they had in the 2nd half today against Tyrone, if Cork scored only about 50% of their missed opportunity they would have Tyrone sent out the gate beaten by 10 points or more. Cork can score but wasted alot of opportunities, if Kerry are lucky enough to meet them Cork will need to improve their accuracy alot from todays performance. The 2nd half was more a stale mate and I can't see either Meath or Kerry letting them off so lightly.

It's Tyrone, you will miss chances. I'd worry more about the missed free kicks than wides from play. Tyrone missed chances too as did Kerry in the AI final last year.

Pride Fighter

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Dublin, 6 Leinster titles.





I am joking

Kingdom

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Marc O'Sé

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Mike McCarthy

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Tom O'Sullivan


Tomás O'Sé

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Seamus Moynihan

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Aidan O'Mahoney

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Seamus Scanlon---Dara O'Sé

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Paul Galvin

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Declan O'Sullivan

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Liam Hassett


Maurice Fitz

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Kieran Donaghy

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Colm Cooper

brandon_flowers

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Dublin, 6 Leinster titles.

And still haven't played in Croke Park in September since 1995. :rolleyes:

This debate was started by Breheny in the Indo about 2 weeks before last years final. I had a big rant typed up earlier but couldnt be bothered doing it again. Its complete rubbish anyway, Tyrone were a great team and Kerry still are for the moment anyway. I dont think its fair to call anyone a team of the decade. Take the 70's for example Dublin won 3 AIs and played in 6 finals in a row with almost the exact same team each year. Kerry won it in 1970 again in 75 and again in 78, 79. They used about 35 players for them victories therefore its impossible to say they were the "team" of the decade. County of the Decade may be more apt.
And calling Kerry a team of the decade holds no meaning really - the sound of 36 All Irelands has a far better ring to it.

blackbelt

netwhizkid wrote: »

Champions: 2000, 2004, 2006, 2007

Finalists: 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008

National Football League Champions: 2004, 2006, 2009

Defeated AI Finalists: 2002, 2005, 2008,

Munster Champions: 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007

Reached every All-Ireland Semi-Final this decade

Unbeaten in a Quarter final

Tyrone by contrast have: 2003, 2005, 2008

It is quite clear that Kerry are the team of the decade, also fair play to Cork for helping us Achieve this feat. And might I add that 2009 is not even finished yet and with a bit of luck we might make an unprecedented 6th All-Ireland final appearance in a row!

UP THE KINGDOM

Sorry but I had to reply to this as it is quite hypocritical or untrue.If anything,this statement is totally the opposite of what you think Netwhizkid.If anything,Cork got in the way of what Kerry wanted to really achieve and thats beat Tyrone in an All Ireland Final.Now that Kerry won't get the chance,Kerry are no closer to realising that they are the team of the decade.If Kerry win Sam on 20th September,the debate will be over and Kerry declared team of the decade BUT I still like to say that Kerry can't beat Tyrone in the All Ireland series.The records state the facts and it is 3-0 to Tyrone.

What we have here is a sad circumstance that a team of the decade can have this team that beat them 3 times and that suffered some years with injuries and loss of a teammate Cormac McAnallen.2004,2006 and 2007 were all years that Kerry won Sam with ease.These just hapened to be the same years where Tyrone were off the scene with the aforementioned reasons.

Tyrone at this point in time for me are the team of the decade until Sam is won this year.If Kerry lose,Tyrone are the team of the decade.

I also highlighted the finalists statistic.You mentioned in another post that nobody remembers losers.If this is true,2005 and 2008 are years where Kerry aren't "remembered" and the final appearance means nothing.Just going by your logic.

homerjay2005

Tyrone

The only advantage Tyrone have over Kerry is that they beat them 3 times. Every other statistic is in favour of Kerry.

Its not Kerrys fault that each year Tyrone have been champions, that they didnt last the pace long enough for Kerry to play them.

Tyrone are a great team, but can only manage a burst once every 2/3 years. They were poor yesterday and have been for most of this year and the one pity i have so far is that we didnt get them in the 1/4.

its all ifs and buts but 4 all irelands and 7 finals IMO beats 3 and 3 any day in any sport.

its a bit like saying that cos Liverpool have beaten United 2 times last season therefore were the best team in England last year.

pigiron

Other (Please state)

Kerry do deserve the mantle of team of the decade simply because they won more All-Irelands than anyone els. However this Tyrone team definetely had the better of them in head to head encounters and that will continue to stick in the craw of Kerrymen.
By the way Pat Spillane was a disgrace on RTE yesterday - he completely lost his temper and should be fired from the Sunday Game programme. I know that i lost any respect i had for him after his tirade yesterday.

Kingdom

Tyrone

Obviously I was jesting slightly with my previous post.

I felt sad for Pat Spillane yesterday. It said a lot that his first comment after yesterdays match was in relation to this "team of the decade" rubbish. Its rubbish because this decade (differently to any other) has seen such evolution in the game its slightly headwrecking. Its rubbish because so many outside factors contribute to making an outright decision on the best team this decade is unfair.

The two outstanding counties of this decade are Tyrone and Kerry, of that there is no question. Kerry are spanning 2000- 2009, and while there has never been wholesale changes, the squad has constantly evolved with each period (PSe, JOC, POShea, JOC) with subtle changes here and there. However, while Tyrone are spanning the breakthrough year 2003 - 2009, they have had the one squad, with two major losses, one expected, the other most definitely not.
Kerry received a couple of drubbings along the way, Meath 01, Tyrone 03. They hurt of course, but not so much because the defeats showed up a man, that while a credit to his sport, was tactically inept on the line. They also showed that times were a changing, and that Kerry would have to change too.
All defeats hurt, but the 2002 and 2005 ones hurt the most. 2002 because it was definitely avoidable; to loss a one point game and have so many chances to draw (and win) and not take them is disappointing.
2005 was hard to take, because while there was a score to settle (to a degree) I don't feel that Kerry team were inferior to Tyrone, and in the end it was a piece of footballing genuis that decided the game. No different to Maurice in 97 or 00.
That was a hard defeat to take, as it fuelled the conception that Kerry teams couldn't handle the Northies, a point exascerbated (ridiculously really) by the wins of 2004,2006 and 2007. When a Northern team was presented, and beaten, they either weren't good enough (Mons, Derry) or they were finished (Armagh).

I was disappointed Tyrone didn't get through. I'm being honest in that I feel Kerry will have too much for Meath, so yes I was hoping for A Tyrone Kerry final. It means that in the likely departure (as was suggested yesterday) of some of the Tyrone panel, Kerry won't have beaten the only team equal to them of this decade, and while it shouldn't take away from any of their championship wins it does leave a massive asterix beside Kerry 2000-2009 unfortunately, in the same way that most who talk about Kerry through the ages always mention the Down and Galway sides that edged Kerry through the 60's.

As for Tyrone, well they've been a revelation of a team. I don't particularily like a lot of their team, or what some of them do, but they deserve the credit they get. They're humble, no superstars, and don't court the limelight. They rarely, if ever, make excuses for losing. Their win in 03 was sensational, and it killed off an Armagh team that never really recovered in the All-Ireland series, and Armagh team that really had better individual players.
Some of the setbacks they suffered through the years were shocking too, absolutely shocking, and its a testament to their courage, discipline, and self belief that they kept going as a unit and regrouped when Cormac MacAnallen passed away. You could grant them an exemption on 2004 for that alone.
But, like Kerry, they too have an asterix beside them. 04 aside, they didn't get to a final to try and retain their title the following year, a feat Kerry did, and achieved no matter how much it was derided and disrespected.

So, no team of the decade for me, because this was a decade of more than just stats, a decade of contributing factors, and two great teams, with two great asterix' beside their names.

Ciarraí Abú.

homerjay2005

Tyrone

mods, can we add a public poll please?

public so we see who is voting for who!

would be nice for Kerry people and anti kerry people to abstain from voting, but if that happened, there would be few voters!

Pride Fighter

Other (Please state)

brandon_flowers wrote: »

And still haven't played in Croke Park in September since 1995. :rolleyes:

This debate was started by Breheny in the Indo about 2 weeks before last years final. I had a big rant typed up earlier but couldnt be bothered doing it again. Its complete rubbish anyway, Tyrone were a great team and Kerry still are for the moment anyway. I dont think its fair to call anyone a team of the decade. Take the 70's for example Dublin won 3 AIs and played in 6 finals in a row with almost the exact same team each year. Kerry won it in 1970 again in 75 and again in 78, 79. They used about 35 players for them victories therefore its impossible to say they were the "team" of the decade. County of the Decade may be more apt.
And calling Kerry a team of the decade holds no meaning really - the sound of 36 All Irelands has a far better ring to it.

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Dublin, 6 Leinster titles.





I am joking

You did not quote me fully. Highlight my entire post and you will realise something.

rossie1977

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its a bit like saying that cos Liverpool have beaten United 2 times last season therefore were the best team in England last year.

no it would be more like if liverpool played man utd in the european cup quarter final in 2003 and knocked them out and also played them in the 2005 and 2008 european cup final and beat man utd both times, each time with something to spare

homerjay2005

Tyrone

rossie1977 wrote: »

with something to spare

3 points in the last 70 seconds just after your keeper pulls off the save of the season when a point up, aint exactly something to spare is it?

the 2005 final was described as one of the best in 20 years, hardly a one sided game either was it? if i remember correctly, there was only a point in it going into the last couple of minutes also.

cruiserweight

Tyrone

Public poll added

premierstone

Tyrone

Ok I voted for Kerry just for sheer consistency and longevity but seriously why is this even a debate, who really gives a fcuk its a meaningless title created by a bored media bored because two teams have dominated the decade and they have shag all else to write about and to see such legends of the game like Pat Spillane geting so hung up on such trivial matters is patethic really.

K-9

There is an other option? :cool:

Pride Fighter

Other (Please state)

K-9 wrote: »

There is an other option? :cool:

Only other contender is Armagh IMO.

cruiserweight

Tyrone

I had considered the following options

• I hate Kerry so Tyrone
• I hate Tyrone so Kerry
• I genuinely think Kerry
• I genuinely think Tyrone
• Other
• Could not care less

These might have been more accurate

K-9

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Only other contender is Armagh IMO.

Some team alright, 6 Ulsters I think this decade. I think they left 05 behind them more so than 03. The only other option could be Cork, but no AI's kind have ruins that one.

Pride Fighter

Other (Please state)

K-9 wrote: »

Some team alright, 6 Ulsters I think this decade. I think they left 05 behind them more so than 03. The only other option could be Cork, but no AI's kind have ruins that one.

Definitely, 6 Ulster titles, 7 in the last 10 years. Winning an Ulster title is nearly like winning the AI itself. They have a national league as well, which is a nice honour to have. Cork and Mayo would be other options, maybe Galway and Dublin too, 6 provincial titles is impressive, although of all the teams I have mentioned they are the worst.

K-9

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Definitely, 6 Ulster titles, 7 in the last 10 years. Winning an Ulster title is nearly like winning the AI itself. They have a national league as well, which is a nice honour to have. Cork and Mayo would be other options, maybe Galway and Dublin too, 6 provincial titles is impressive, although of all the teams I have mentioned they are the worst.

Galway suffer because they straddled the late 90's and early 00's, which kind of makes deciding teams like this pointless.

delspeed78

Team of the decade?...Ptfff, couldn't care less.
The only prize in this game is the Sam Maguire. Anything else is hearsay.

Flukey

Other (Please state)

It isn't the amount of All-Ireland titles alone that decides who is the best team. There is a lot more to consider. Kerry may have won 4 All-Ireland's to Tyrone's 3, but you also have to look at the years that Kerry did not win the All-Ireland. We have their three annus horribilis of 2001, 2002 and 2003. Their 2 -14 to 0 - 5 hammering in 2001 by Meath, was their biggest ever defeat in the championship. That was followed by their defeat by Armagh in 2002, in which they scored just 3 points in the second half. Then of course there is that famous defeat in 2003, that coined the term "puke football", although it was anything but that. In 2004, Kerry came in search of Armagh and Tyrone, but got Derry and a poor Mayo. In a similar pattern to 2002, Kerry gave a blistering start to the 2005 final, but were blown away in the second half. They got the Armagh monkey off their back in 2006, and came up against a poor Mayo team and in 2007 Cork were poor too. But when they came up against it in 2008, they fell to Tyrone for the third time. Tyrone: 3 Kerry: Nil.

There are other things to think about too. Tyrone have overcome more adversary in this decade than Kerry have, and still come back again and again. The McAnallen tragedy and particularly their major injury problems in 2006 might have stopped them winning another All-Ireland. Seeing as they beat Kerry in 2 finals, Kerry can't argue that they got soft ones, and they wouldn't say the 2003 win was either. As was the case with Tyrone's wins in 2005 and 2008, they beat the reigning All-Ireland champions in 2002 also. Even if Kerry win this year, when you weigh it all up, Tyrone have achieved a lot more and are without doubt the team of the decade.

newmills

Other (Please state)

Kingdom wrote: »

Obviously I was jesting slightly with my previous post.

I felt sad for Pat Spillane yesterday. It said a lot that his first comment after yesterdays match was in relation to this "team of the decade" rubbish. Its rubbish because this decade (differently to any other) has seen such evolution in the game its slightly headwrecking. Its rubbish because so many outside factors contribute to making an outright decision on the best team this decade is unfair.

The two outstanding counties of this decade are Tyrone and Kerry, of that there is no question. Kerry are spanning 2000- 2009, and while there has never been wholesale changes, the squad has constantly evolved with each period (PSe, JOC, POShea, JOC) with subtle changes here and there. However, while Tyrone are spanning the breakthrough year 2003 - 2009, they have had the one squad, with two major losses, one expected, the other most definitely not.
Kerry received a couple of drubbings along the way, Meath 01, Tyrone 03. They hurt of course, but not so much because the defeats showed up a man, that while a credit to his sport, was tactically inept on the line. They also showed that times were a changing, and that Kerry would have to change too.
All defeats hurt, but the 2002 and 2005 ones hurt the most. 2002 because it was definitely avoidable; to loss a one point game and have so many chances to draw (and win) and not take them is disappointing.
2005 was hard to take, because while there was a score to settle (to a degree) I don't feel that Kerry team were inferior to Tyrone, and in the end it was a piece of footballing genuis that decided the game. No different to Maurice in 97 or 00.
That was a hard defeat to take, as it fuelled the conception that Kerry teams couldn't handle the Northies, a point exascerbated (ridiculously really) by the wins of 2004,2006 and 2007. When a Northern team was presented, and beaten, they either weren't good enough (Mons, Derry) or they were finished (Armagh).

I was disappointed Tyrone didn't get through. I'm being honest in that I feel Kerry will have too much for Meath, so yes I was hoping for A Tyrone Kerry final. It means that in the likely departure (as was suggested yesterday) of some of the Tyrone panel, Kerry won't have beaten the only team equal to them of this decade, and while it shouldn't take away from any of their championship wins it does leave a massive asterix beside Kerry 2000-2009 unfortunately, in the same way that most who talk about Kerry through the ages always mention the Down and Galway sides that edged Kerry through the 60's.

As for Tyrone, well they've been a revelation of a team. I don't particularily like a lot of their team, or what some of them do, but they deserve the credit they get. They're humble, no superstars, and don't court the limelight. They rarely, if ever, make excuses for losing. Their win in 03 was sensational, and it killed off an Armagh team that never really recovered in the All-Ireland series, and Armagh team that really had better individual players.
Some of the setbacks they suffered through the years were shocking too, absolutely shocking, and its a testament to their courage, discipline, and self belief that they kept going as a unit and regrouped when Cormac MacAnallen passed away. You could grant them an exemption on 2004 for that alone.
But, like Kerry, they too have an asterix beside them. 04 aside, they didn't get to a final to try and retain their title the following year, a feat Kerry did, and achieved no matter how much it was derided and disrespected.

So, no team of the decade for me, because this was a decade of more than just stats, a decade of contributing factors, and two great teams, with two great asterix' beside their names.

Ciarraí Abú.

Absolutely excellent post.......tyrone man here!!

walrusgumble

Tyrone

Pride Fighter wrote: »

I would find it more impressive if a team like Charlton Athletic won 3 premiership titles in England but Manchester United won 4 in the same decade.

Tyrone had nothing coming into this decade, they had no tradition of winning, unlike Kerry who had about 30 all Irelands. When a county has tradition of winning it is easier for them to win. Look at the other semi final this year, Mayo have a tradition of choking and a poor Meath team beat them to make the semi. Even though this Meath team is poor, they have a great tradition of winning with seven all Irelands. Tyrone may have won one less all Ireland than Kerry, but they have started from nothing to get where they are. They also have invented their own style of football, which they have invented on their own which is extremely effective.

Tyrone are the team of the decade, it is that simple. They also beat the team with the most titles off the park whenever they played them;)

not to mention being the only few counties after kerry, who have transformed underage all irelands into seniors, pitty about the likes of westmeath and laois who did pretty well along with tyrone in the 1990's and early 00's.

i would like to say its tryone to simply the reasons that you and people above and people like joe brolly have provided - also the fact that the ulster championship is a landmine and quiete entertaining, i love the way the rest of the country baulks at it - bunch of sissys. but facts are facts, kerry have better stats and thats hard to not notice. its not kerry's fault that they had easy finals like cork and mayo in the past, they dealt with what was put before them and also won or at least reached the finals of national leagues. begrudely, one has to hand it to kerry. its not easy being at the top. i am sure each kerry footballer is told in some manner at the begining of each season that the past is the past and that it won't help them when they are being knocked about in castlebar, galway etc in the league or when they are playing in the munster championship on the first week of june. surely, kerry team are not that arrogant or complacent. its not like any team goes out to intentionally loose.

without sounding wishy washy, but people like mickey harte are a credit not only to the gaa but to this country. i read his book in 2002, thats alot of crap to deal with alone not to mention to deal with 30-50 young lads of all different character, between mcguirk, training for the minor semis just outside the town of omagh in 1998, and macallinan. some counties have huge problems trying to keep lads on the wagon and help them with their problems off the pitch.

its a shame though that it is not a tyrone v kerry final. but still fair play to cork. up the rebels ( i am not from munster) i would have alot of respect for them now after the strikes in that they at least are able to walk the walk and win an all ireland.


funny enough, i always got the impression that galway 1998 team kind of started the blanket defence, sean og de praor was brilliant for it and the odd point and goal.

K-9

Facts are facts, no doubt, but I'd say the Kerry players themselves are the most disappointed Cork one!

Tyrone will go down as the team that the team of the decade couldn't beat!