Stop someone from Killing themself?

brummytom

The background to this question:

On Thursday my mom recieved a call from a good friend of hers (let's call her P). She rang to say her mom had died the night before.

Anyway, P went to her dad's house to sort some stuff out for the funeral and the like, when she heard a car revving repeatedly in the garage next door.
"Dad?" She says, "What's going on next door?".
"Oh don't worry about that, Tony said there'd be some noise today but told me ignore it".

'OK' says she for a minute.
"Dad, didn't Tony just lose his job?" She asked.
"Yep, and his car got repossessed the other day - he loves that thing. I saw him yesterday, he shook my hand and said 'goodbye' "
"Did he say where he was going?"
"No, I didn't think to ask actually."
(Her dad was still in a daze about the death of his wife, so wasn't quite with it)


Eventually, P talks to another neighbour and fire, police and ambulance turn up... obviously, the neighbour had tried to kill himself.



My question is; would you try and stop someone who was trying to kill themself or would you let them?

Personally I'd be in the first category, just wondering if anyone would be in the second.

Jesus Wept

If his car was repossessed, what was he revving, his lawnmower?

brummytom

Oh sorry - the car that was repossessed was his cherished sports car, that he adored.

I imagine he must have had another car.

Jesus Wept

I see, I see.

Did anyone try to speak to him/check he was killing himself or did the other neighbour just call all the emergency services?

genericguy

i'd leave 'em to it. darwin would've wanted it that way.

brummytom

Well his door and garage were both locked so no one could get in, and obviously with the noise of the car he wouldn't have heard anyway.

The fire service had to force entry, so I presume he'd barricaded the door maybe? (Not sure though)

El Weirdo

brummytom wrote: »

Oh sorry - the car that was repossessed was his cherished sports car, that he adored.

I imagine he must have had another car.

brummytom wrote: »

Well his door and garage were both locked so no one could get in, and obviously with the noise of the car he wouldn't have heard anyway.

The fire service had to force entry, so I presume he'd barricaded the door maybe? (Not sure though)

Brummytom, Brummytom. You've been posting in AH long enough to know that you need to be in possession of all the facts in here. This is not good enough.

Agonist

brummytom wrote: »

The background to this question:

On Thursday my mom recieved a call from a good friend of hers (let's call her P). She rang to say her mom had died the night before.

Anyway, P went to her dad's house to sort some stuff out for the funeral and the like, when she heard a car revving repeatedly in the garage next door.
"Dad?" She says, "What's going on next door?".
"Oh don't worry about that, Tony said there'd be some noise today but told me ignore it".

'OK' says she for a minute.
"Dad, didn't Tony just lose his job?" She asked.
"Yep, and his car got repossessed the other day - he loves that thing. I saw him yesterday, he shook my hand and said 'goodbye' "
"Did he say where he was going?"
"No, I didn't think to ask actually."
(Her dad was still in a daze about the death of his wife, so wasn't quite with it)


Eventually, P talks to another neighbour and fire, police and ambulance turn up... obviously, the neighbour had tried to kill himself.



My question is; would you try and stop someone who was trying to kill themself or would you let them?

Personally I'd be in the first category, just wondering if anyone would be in the second.

Teenager in a hissy fit and numerous other scenarios, I'd intervene
Adult with head screwed on and mentally shipshape, particularly if they'd tried and failed before, I'd think twice before presuming I knew better than they did what they wanted.

barakus

Poor fucker. It is a pretty selfish thing to do to your family/friends though.

Latchy

I would of course help and try stop somebody killing themselfs ,friend or stranger but suicidel people tend to fall into two catogories ie ,those who attempt but are really asking /wanting to be saved and those who succeed ie, they cut of as many escape exits as possible , they really want to die .

We do what we can to assist , when we can .

I was saddened to read of the young girl last week who after constant bullying on facebook or bebo , killed herself

Spore

I actually was in that position myself a few years back...

Again, it was by sheer coincidence.

I was seeing an ‘older’ lady, anyway I was in a friend's house drinking and we got on the subject of ex's. I 'dared' him to phone his ex - he did with much awkwardness. So I had to phone mine, which was the older lady in question. I'm on the phone to her and I perceive she's really upset, lethargic etc. I ask if she's drunk - 'no' she says, she tells me she's after taking some sleeping pills and she's going to take a whole lot more and to stop bothering her.

Cut a long story short I get on my bike and pelt away out to her gaff and stop her taking the rest of the pills (they were some heavy-duty tranquilisers she'd gotten a prescription for) and I take them away with me. She told me she was certain she was going to do it that night. Just a crazy coincidence I phoned her. I still think about it... Glad I intervened though.

She had her flaws but she's an incredible person.

pablomakaveli

Here's a question. If someone tells you they are going to kill themselves or are about to attempt it, could you be prosecuted for not contacting the gardai?

Sharpshooter

I would try my best to stop them.
At least it gives them time to evaluate what they tried to do.

genericguy

Latchy wrote: »

I was saddened to read of the young girl last week who after constant bullying on facebook or bebo , killed herself

that's ridiculous carry-on, sure if everyone got upset at bitching on the net AH would be like bridgend.

pablomakaveli

barakus wrote: »

Poor fucker. It is a pretty selfish thing to do to your family/friends though.

I don't like people who say that tbh.

If someone reaches a point where they want to kill themselves they probably genuinely believe that no one will care or that there family and friends will be better of without them.

I don't think many people would kill themselves just to hurt their family.

Spore

barakus wrote: »

Poor fucker. It is a pretty selfish thing to do to your family/friends though.

This kind of attitude is really uphelpful. Yes, in the normal course of life it seems really selfish, but have you ever experienced a mental breakdown / life-crushing trauma / a degenerative disease? We can't truly understand what goes through a suicide's mind because we haven't experienced their depth of pain.

So don't cast judgements...

Agonist

Latchy wrote: »

I would of course help and try stop somebody killing themselfs ,friend or stranger but suicidel people tend to fall into two catogories ie ,those who attempt but are really asking /wanting to be saved and those who succeed ie, they cut of as many escape exits as possible , they really want to die .

Now that I think about it, if this Tony guy was going around giving so many clues (saying Goodbye to people, telling them to ignore the suicidal sounds from his garage) then he probably wanted to be saved, even if he didn't know it himself.
So, yeah, I'd call for help and hope I wasn't condemning him to years of misery on this earth.

dr.bollocko

I'm a writer for eastenders so no.

Stercus Accidit

genericguy wrote: »

i'd leave 'em to it. darwin would've wanted it that way.

Darwin awards are usually awarded to those who kill themselves through stupidity.

Ironic huh.

Sharpshooter

genericguy wrote: »

that's ridiculous carry-on, sure if everyone got upset at bitching on the net AH would be like bridgend.

Bitching is not the same as constant bullying.

When someone kills themselves because of bullying in any way shape or form it is deeply saddening.

Not ridiculous carry on.

Grow up.

Latchy

genericguy wrote: »

that's ridiculous carry-on, sure if everyone got upset at bitching on the net AH would be like bridgend.

But we are not talking about bitching ...a la boards ...were talking about some young person who felt so threatend and bullied ( her good looks and personality had a lot to do with it ) that she coulden't cope .

Some other girl in uk this week was given a 3 month prison sentence for the same thing , bullying and harrasing a girl on facebook she new from school .First case of it's kind were somebody has being charged and found guilty of online harrasement

ejmaztec

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I'm a writer for eastenders so no.

'ere leave it art, don't do it mate..............................splat.



Was that one of yours?

genericguy

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

Darwin awards are usually awarded to those who kill themselves through stupidity.

Ironic huh.

killing yourself is stupid.

Bubs101

No. Nobody is ever going to take a decision like that lightly. Everyone should have control of their life and the end is part of that

K-Ren

I would try to stop a person killing themselves if I could, because I think if they died I would feel guilty in terms of those left behind, and the hurt suffered as a result. If they tried to take their life again, the chances are I wouldn't be around to stop them and I wouldn't feel that same guilt; they might never try it again and re-evalutate their lives and come to a happier state of mind.

I have no problem with people taking their own life, just as long as I don't have to feel like some sort of accomplice in the destruction of life- that sort of thing just ain't my bag, baby.

skregs

Pretty similar thing happened to me.

On Thursday I had my car repossessed.

Anyway, I went to garage to sort some stuff out in my old car and the like, when I heard the people shouting.
"Sally" I says to my wife, "What's going on next door?".
"Oh don't worry about that Tony, you said there'd be some noise today, and they should ignore it".

'OK' says me for a minute.
"Tony, didn't the man next door just lose his wife?" She asked.
"Yep, and his house got cleared out the other day - he loves that thing. I saw him yesterday, he shook my hand and said 'goodbye' "
"Did he say where he was going?"
"No, I didn't think to ask actually."
(I was in a daze trying to fix the car, so wasn't quite with it)


Eventually, the wife talks to another neighbour and fire, police and ambulance turn up... obviously, the neighbour had tried to kill himself.

barakus

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I don't like people who say that tbh.

If someone reaches a point where they want to kill themselves they probably genuinely believe that no one will care or that there family and friends will be better of without them.

I don't think many people would kill themselves just to hurt their family.[/quote]

I wasnt saying that people kill themselves to hurt their families. Yeah I suppose what I said was a bit insensetive but in fairness Ive seen the damage that suicide does, the people around the person do tend to blame themselves even though they could not have possibly known what was going on in the persons head at the time.

and im sorry but if you have children suicide should not be an option

IvySlayer

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I'm a writer for eastenders so no.

You killed Danielle you bastard!!!!!!!!

:mad::mad::mad:

Sharpshooter

He said writer, not driver.

Latchy

What we also have to remember is that peeps kill or try to kill themselfs for all kinds of reasons and it's not a rich / poor thing either, suicide effects people from all class / walks of life .

Emotional issues ie ,broken hearts , loss of another loved one, are as much a reason for suicides as any financial ones

IvySlayer

Sharpshooter wrote: »

He said writer, not driver.

Who do you think wrote that? I was depressed for weeks.

dr.bollocko

IvySlayer wrote: »

Who do you think wrote that? I was depressed for weeks.

Do you feel suicidal?
Can you act for less than 20,000 a year?
You're not in a union are you?

IvySlayer

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Do you feel suicidal?
Can you act for less than 20,000 a year?
You're not in a union are you?

No/Yes/How dare you

dr.bollocko

It's casting couch time.
Bow bow. Chicka chicka.

Sharpshooter

Suite.

IvySlayer

dr.bollocko wrote: »

It's casting couch time.
Bow bow. Chicka chicka.

How do you cast a couch?

You line a whole load of them up for interviews?

dr.bollocko

IvySlayer wrote: »

How do you cast a couch?

You line a whole load of them up for interviews?

Of course. But on the downside It's more cushion for the pushin.

IvySlayer

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Of course. But on the downside It's more cushion for the pushin.

Kill me already before I have to endure more puns.

Night lads

Four-Percent

Without doubt i would try and intervene.when i was out on junior night one of my friemlnds killed herself because of her results.if i hadn't chosen to stay out another 30 minutes then i could have saved her.It's a pretty awful feeling.

skregs

I killed myself once. Pain in the arse really, wouldn't recommend it

itsallaboutheL

This thread is absolute bollox.... if this thread had started when Michael Jackson had killed himself , we'd all be banned.......

Latchy

skregs wrote: »

I killed myself once. Pain in the arse really, wouldn't recommend it

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

This thread is absolute bollox.... if this thread had started when Michael Jackson had killed himself , we'd all be banned.......

Welcome to AH ,were nothing , not even suicide is not taken serious ,including your posts .

goodnight .

seanybiker

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I don't think many people would kill themselves just to hurt their family.

David Platt tried that before.

Sharpshooter

He survived.:(

skregs

Latchy wrote: »

nothing... is not taken serious

I think you'll find the correct usage of negatives is in fact a deadly serious matter

itsallaboutheL

Latchy wrote: »

Welcome to AH ,were nothing , not even suicide is not taken serious ,including your posts .

goodnight .

It is when it's some ****in grade A nutjob though, because he was a celeb and was never "found guilty" of being a dirty Pedo..... **** that.:mad:

Jesus Juice

Anyone ever see Office Space?

If you have you'll remember the scene:pac:

Sharpshooter

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

It is when it's some ****in grade A nutjob though, because he was a celeb and was never "found guilty" of being a dirty Pedo..... **** that.:mad:

Exactly, Not Guilty.

Latchy

skregs wrote: »

I think you'll find the correct usage of negatives is in fact a deadly serious matter

if you read my posts you would see that but your post on the subject like mine, is just another post except mine are not as flippant ..you understand the difference ?

itsallaboutheL

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Exactly, Not Guilty.

So why couldn't we say we didn't give a shiiite he died and make "distasteful" jokes??

Latchy

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

It is when it's some ****in grade A nutjob though, because he was a celeb and was never "found guilty" of being a dirty Pedo..... **** that.:mad:

We are not talking about MJ who as far as I am aware ,died of ' misadventure ' ie , not intentional although that has yet to be proved