Anyone obtained work authorization thru CXC?

Don_1234

I'm a US citizen attempting to relocate to the Dublin area, and have had a rough time securing sponsorship with direct employment, has anyone here used CXC to get your green card that way?

Thanks in advance!

-Don

qwertz

I think in the current market you are going to have a hard time finding a company to sponsor you.

Don_1234

qwertz wrote: »

I think in the current market you are going to have a hard time finding a company to sponsor you.

I believe I mentioned that in my first post.

Have you heard anything regarding CXC?

Thanks.

universe777

CXC are kinda like an agency, and they are not allowed to sponsor anyone, or apply for work permits/green cards for anyone.
Direct with the employer only.

Don_1234

universe777 wrote: »

CXC are kinda like an agency, and they are not allowed to sponsor anyone, or apply for work permits/green cards for anyone.
Direct with the employer only.

Are you sure they're not able to get someone a green card?

Sorry if I come off a bit thick here, just trying to find my way to employment.

I originally started searching for a gig in Dublin via recruiters. Almost all have stated that it would be pretty difficult to get sponsorship thru them, and that I should go directly to companies.

That's nice, but the majority of job ads out there are from recruiters, not actual companies hiring.

I had several recruiters tell me after reviewing my CV that they had more than one gig for me if I had the right to work, one of the recruiters brought up CXC ( http://cxc.ie ) said I could possibly contract thru them.

So I ring them, they state that if I signed up with them, I'd be a 'proprietary director' at one of their associated 'limited companies', so basically they hire me, work me thru the green card process and I contract and everything bills thru them.

Anyways, I have no idea what their charge for this is, I just have the initial info.

IMO, it sounds a bit too good to be true, I'm not looking to fall for a scam, just looking for an opportunity to come over and give living in Ireland a go.

I read a couple of the online Irish papers, so I have a bit of an idea of the situation there, and I hope my posting about trying to emmigrate comes across the right way.

universe777

I'm pretty sure that wouldn't satisfy the DETE people...
You could contact CXC just to be sure..
Have you checked the DETE website recently? I presume you are in the IT area?
They have crossed off some job titles off the work permit/green card list.

Don_1234

universe777 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that wouldn't satisfy the DETE people...
You could contact CXC just to be sure..
Have you checked the DETE website recently? I presume you are in the IT area?
They have crossed off some job titles off the work permit/green card list.

The way I'm (mis)understanding it, is that I am hired by them as someone in the company, and then use this to get the greencard, I'll be speaking with them in the morning to nail some more of the details down.

I've been over the DETE website thoroughly, I feel like I could probably get a job down there (lol) as I know more that the average recruiter I speak with in regards to green cards.

I'm in IT and would have no trouble falling under the section for more than one of the IT job titles.

As for the crossed off titles, can you be more explicit? The last revision I believe was in April of 09:

http://www.entemp.ie/labour/workpermits/revisedgreencard.htm

The list on the site above doesn't show any removals from the IT section.

Thanks!

none

I think the only more or less reliable way for an American to get employment here is with big American multinationals who are still one of the main employment providers on the Emerald Isle.

eth0_

Don_1234 wrote: »

I had several recruiters tell me after reviewing my CV that they had more than one gig for me if I had the right to work, one of the recruiters brought up CXC ( http://cxc.ie ) said I could possibly contract thru them.

So I ring them, they state that if I signed up with them, I'd be a 'proprietary director' at one of their associated 'limited companies', so basically they hire me, work me thru the green card process and I contract and everything bills thru them.

No.. CXC are an "umbrella company" who do your taxes and payroll, all they do is set you up as a director of a company purely for tax purposes.

They cannot sponsor you for a green card.

Having used CXC myself a few years ago, I can honestly say they are really quite inept and i'm not surprised they've told you a load of nonsense.

Also, don't listen to I.T. recruiters. The contracting market in Ireland is very quiet right now. The recruiters just want your CV so they can hawk it around companies looking for their % cut of your wages should they manage to place you.

Don_1234

While I agree they handle taxes and payroll as they clearly state on their website, they appear to be offering me a way to get a green card.

I filled out this form (see last 2 pages):

http://cxc.ie/download/CXC%20Information%20Pack%20Std.pdf

I asked point blank if I would have to have an actual contract offer in hand prior to starting the process, they stated no, and that we would complete the green card application early next week and submit. Once I got the green card, I'd be able to find a contract position and work legally.

What I trying to make sense of here is, if I need a green card to work, and I signed up with CXC purely for tax purposes as you stated, how is my client billing them? The only way I can get a green card is to have someone sponsor me right? So how is CXC being used for only tax purposes for someone in my situation? Do you require a Green Card/ Work permit to work in Ireland? Maybe that is where some of the confusion stems from.

When you used CXC, what problems did you have? I haven't heard any bad things about them as of yet, but I've only been speaking to recruiters and not actual contractors. I've been able to find zero complaints about them on the web, zero, and I can't seem to find any nice reviews of them either, I have a CPA here in the states that is great, but I don't blog about her, so I take it with a grain of salt. People usually are apt to spend more time complaining about something then applauding.

It sounds like the recruiters in Ireland are the same lot we have here in the states. IT recruiters in general over here are not terribly knowledgable about IT skills, it's all alphabet soup to them. The recruiters I've spoken with in Ireland have been somewhat informed and talkative about the industry, but maybe it was my fetching yank accent? :rolleyes:

As for the market being quiet, I appreciate the heads up, at this point I'm not exactly in an area of the US filled with opportunities either.

I have my tickets booked already so if visiting ends up being an extended vacation, thats fine by me, let me know if you can think of anything else that might help.

Thanks!

eth0_ wrote: »

No.. CXC are an "umbrella company" who do your taxes and payroll, all they do is set you up as a director of a company purely for tax purposes.

They cannot sponsor you for a green card.

Having used CXC myself a few years ago, I can honestly say they are really quite inept and i'm not surprised they've told you a load of nonsense.

Also, don't listen to I.T. recruiters. The contracting market in Ireland is very quiet right now. The recruiters just want your CV so they can hawk it around companies looking for their % cut of your wages should they manage to place you.

CDfm

OP I have experience in this area and pm me if you want to.

Intermediary Companies and agencies cannot apply for Work Authorisation Permits for you. In any event the application is made by you and any mistatement is by you.

This has been the case at least since Mary Harney was Minister for Enterprise in 2004.

Mrs OBumble

Don_1234 wrote: »

That's nice, but the majority of job ads out there are from recruiters, not actual companies hiring.

You are absolutely correct the majority of job ads are from recruiters.

But there is no guarantee that any of these ads are associated with an actual employer, much less an actual vacancy that an employer wants to fill.

There is one factor in your favour: Irish employment law gives people who've been in a job for one year some rights, and two years some further rights. So a person who's been somewhere for 1+ years is unlikely to want to move in the current climate. So we have the happy paradox of very few vacancies, and difficulty filling 'em!

Good luck and all, but remember that an employer who wants to sponsor you has to prove that no one else in all of Europe can do the job. That's a few people ...

Jaysoose

Don_1234 wrote: »

While I agree they handle taxes and payroll as they clearly state on their website, they appear to be offering me a way to get a green card.

I filled out this form (see last 2 pages):

http://cxc.ie/download/CXC%20Information%20Pack%20Std.pdf

I asked point blank if I would have to have an actual contract offer in hand prior to starting the process, they stated no, and that we would complete the green card application early next week and submit. Once I got the green card, I'd be able to find a contract position and work legally.

What I trying to make sense of here is, if I need a green card to work, and I signed up with CXC purely for tax purposes as you stated, how is my client billing them? The only way I can get a green card is to have someone sponsor me right? So how is CXC being used for only tax purposes for someone in my situation? Do you require a Green Card/ Work permit to work in Ireland? Maybe that is where some of the confusion stems from.

When you used CXC, what problems did you have? I haven't heard any bad things about them as of yet, but I've only been speaking to recruiters and not actual contractors. I've been able to find zero complaints about them on the web, zero, and I can't seem to find any nice reviews of them either, I have a CPA here in the states that is great, but I don't blog about her, so I take it with a grain of salt. People usually are apt to spend more time complaining about something then applauding.

It sounds like the recruiters in Ireland are the same lot we have here in the states. IT recruiters in general over here are not terribly knowledgable about IT skills, it's all alphabet soup to them. The recruiters I've spoken with in Ireland have been somewhat informed and talkative about the industry, but maybe it was my fetching yank accent? :rolleyes:

As for the market being quiet, I appreciate the heads up, at this point I'm not exactly in an area of the US filled with opportunities either.

I have my tickets booked already so if visiting ends up being an extended vacation, thats fine by me, let me know if you can think of anything else that might help.

Thanks!

CXC are glorified accountants that allow a contractor to register as a director of one of their companies, the contractor will then invoice the company they are working for and this money will be sent to CXC who in turn calculate the tax and offset expenses etc.

They are not recruiters as far as i know and it looks like they are promising you that they will sort your work visa (i would be sceptical) if you sign up with them and you see this sort service being offered when in reality they have no inside track to the visa process.

CXC are paid by taking a percentage of the 'salary' as their fee which is around 5% up to a max of €300 per month so as far as i can tell they are letting you sign up before you have a job so how are you going to pay them?

I would be wary of this work visa 'service' being offered.

eth0_

OP can you paste in any emails from CXC stating they could get you a work visa?
I too am very sceptical about this. There must be some sort of miscommunication. I know CXC employ accountants based in Asia so maybe a language barrier issue?

Don_1234

JustMary wrote: »

...Good luck and all, but remember that an employer who wants to sponsor you has to prove that no one else in all of Europe can do the job. That's a few people ...

Can you be more specific about to what proof or law you are referring?

To my knowledge, the only restriction would be the labour market needs test, which on the entemp.ie site, clearly only affects the work permits, and does not affect the green cards.

Don_1234

eth0_ wrote: »

OP can you paste in any emails from CXC stating they could get you a work visa?
I too am very sceptical about this. There must be some sort of miscommunication. I know CXC employ accountants based in Asia so maybe a language barrier issue?

Hi eth0_!

I don't have any email correspondence from them discussing an attempt to secure me a green card.

I don't believe there is any miscommunication, the person I spoke with spoke decent english, enough that I could clearly understand.

The idea is that I sign up with CXC for their services, and they would help me with the submission for a green card application.

I'm skeptical about both the legitimacy and the legality of this as well, hence this thread.

Don_1234

I just got off the phone with entemp, after explaining the situation to them, they stated that IF the green card was granted, if they ever found out the details it would be immediately revoked and I would be asked to leave Ireland.

Thanks again for all the help on this one, hopefully anyone else being offered the same runs across this and learns from my experience.

eth0_

You should make a serious complaint to CXC management about this - both for getting your hopes up and potentially committing a crime.

Mrs OBumble

Don_1234 wrote: »

Can you be more specific about to what proof or law you are referring?

To my knowledge, the only restriction would be the labour market needs test, which on the entemp.ie site, clearly only affects the work permits, and does not affect the green cards.

No, sorry; I was quoting what I've been told (by disgruntled Americans), haven't looked into the details/truth of it all.

CDfm

Unlike the USA the work permit rules are determined by Statutory Instrument which are broad rules set out by a Government Minister and issued at discretion of a Government Department so there is not a code in the way you would be familiar with in the USA. Its what would be called department practice and can vary from time to time.