Hurler of the Year 2009

Coogee

Who will be hurler of the year for 2009? One semi final and the final to go but what are peoples opinions?

John Mullane seemed to be the frontrunner but has probably not done enough in his last two games - guaranteed an All Star though.

Henry Shefflin must be up there after his semi final display

Tommy Walsh as usual will be there or there abouts but probably will need a man of match display in the All Ireland.

Noel McGrath has had a super year so far.

tbaymusicman

Has to be henry:(:( mullane didn't do enough in his last 2 game's which is not like him at all waterfords eoin kelly has a shout

soccymonster

tbaymusicman wrote: »

Has to be henry:(:( mullane didn't do enough in his last 2 game's which is not like him at all waterfords eoin kelly has a shout

love the sad faces after henry :P.
Nah, eoin kelly wont get it.

Noel mcgrath will prob win young hurler of the year. Not sure about hurler of the year. Let me see the next two matches and ill get back to you on that one. Alot can happen in two games .

premierstone

At the moment it has to be Brick Walsh no question, and for me Ollie Canning second, but that could all change very easily. As for Eoin Kelly Waterford if he even gets nominated for an all star never mind HOTY i'll be more than suprised.

As for young hurler I think that if Tipp win on sunday and go well in the AI Paraic Maher is a real dark horse here, rumors are he will start FB on sunday where he finished the munster fianl and was outstanding and if you think about it there has been no other outstanding FB to date in this years championship

ontheditch

Henry is the front runner. I do think it is near impossible to pick the HOTY until after the final. The performance in the final is crucial to any player.
Brick walsh will get the centre back All Star, a great player with great attitude. Mullane will get one, Eoin Kelly wont.

Daysha

Going on the matches so far, it's between Shefflin, Mullane and Brick imo. Sheffins had 2 ok-ish games and one phemonenal game, Mullane had 3 excellent games, one good and one poor, while take out the first 35 minutes against Galway and Brick has been consistently great the entire season. So all in all it just depends on what kind of player the judges will be looking for to win the award. I do think though if Sheffline repeats his SF performance in the final he'll win it no doubt.

Noel McGrath is probably the front runner for the YHOTY and he'll win it assuming he doesn't screw up badly against Limerick, but Noel Connors should be there or thereabouts too. It's been years since we've had a Waterford fullback make such a positive influence on the team, especially for a debut Championship.

deccy15

think noel Mcgrath should win POY and YPOY but doubt if it'll happen!!!

flahavaj

Brick Walsh for me. Absolutely outstanding and consistently so all year. Mullane was a shoe in until his form dipped against Galway and KK.

Noel McGrath for young hurler. Dare I say it, as good a prospect if not better than Canning?:pac:

grenache

Conor O'Mahoney anyone? Very steady against Clare and Cork and was my MOTM in Munster Final. There's not many players that can track back on John Mullane and successfully hook him! Other contenders are Brick Walsh and Henry. Brick was very good both days against Limerick. And had a stormer against Tipp. He finished very well against Galway too. Henry has had one reasonable performance (by his standards) against Galway, quiet against Dublin and then a MOTM outing last day out v Wford. Brick is out of the championship now though, so its Henry's or Conor's to lose.

premierstone

Even as a very very biased Tipp man there is no way Conor O'Mahoney can be considered ahead of Brick Walsh, different gravy! O'Mahoney last year was much more impressive and commanding he has quite clearly still not fully recovered from the mumps and has visibly tired in all our games this year, we were fortunate that for a large period of teh Munster Final he was marking Molumpy who was not 100% fit either.

The closest to HOTY form a Tipp point at this stage would be Brendan Cummins IMO

Peadar87

Been really impressed with noel mcgrath this year, if he brings home the liam mccarthy he will have to be one of the front runners. Think he must be favourite for young player of the year. Mullane was my pick going into the last match but sadly i think any chance he had of getting it is no gone. The man to beat really he king henry think he hs been fantastic all year and what a masterclass of the game he gave of sunday

suitcasepink

Can see it being Shefflin, really only needs one great game and the rest decent to get it. He just has the media following him at this stage. I cant say he doesnt deserve he is some player. But I would love to see Brick get it, thought it was some season for him and I had doubts on him at center back back at the start of the season.

Deise Tom

I would say that Michael 'Brick' Walsh has to have a good shout of winning the award. He has excelled in all games for waterford this year in a new position. People talk about Mullane for the award, but you have to remember he did not play any of the early games in the league because of De La Salle's interest in the chlub championship and also he did by no means have a good game against Kilkenny.

shockframe

nicky english said somewhere that lar corbett at 25/1 before the semi finals was a great bet.he has had a good year so i wouldnt rule him out if tipp win the final.

Badabing

Brick Walsh or Shefflin for me also Tommy Walsh has been magnificent in the last 2 and half matches.

premierstone

For some reason Brick Walsh is still available at 16/1 with PP great value imo

MickTipp

tbaymusicman wrote: »

waterfords eoin kelly has a shout

are ya mad?? eoin kelly has been useless all year, all he is, is a freetaker, did absolutely nothing from play!!

if tipp win the final, i wouldnt be suprised to see if noel mcgrath win HOTY and paudie maher win YHOTY, thats if they have good games in the final

dotsflan

premierstone wrote: »

For some reason Brick Walsh is still available at 16/1 with PP great value imo

id say they'll give the award to someone from the all ireland winning team, but your right at the moment that is brilliant value!

Daysha

Was John Mullane really excluded from Paddy Powers shortlist or was my eyes playing tricks on me?

LeoB

Is Hurling played anywhere other than the Waterford, Cork, Kilkenny and Tipp?

What is the criteria?

Any chance a player from outside these counties could win? Seems to me these awards are becoming as invaluable as all-stars 7 from the champions 5 from the runners up and a few spread amongst our friends in the other big counties, Jeasus I can here Cyril and Micheal justify it on Sunday game.

Lets take Dublin hurlers as an example. Alan McCrabbe has had an exceptional year by any standards, a blip against Limerick but all throught the league he has been super but because he is not from a superpower of hurling he might be nominated "just to keep them happy" but he is as valuable to Hurling as anyone mentioned and this year has contributed as much as any of the players mentioned. Oh and David Tracey for young hurler of the year.

Anyway what is the criteria?

smileeey

Without a shadow of a doubt - Noel Mcgrath for YHOTY
top class in every match

grenache

Noel McGrath so far me, best player this year. He'll do win YPOY at least.

Red Crow

Noel McGrath for YHOTY
Shefflin for HOTY

Disappointed Lar hasn't been mentioned at all. Thought he has been excellent this year. Nothin like a man from Thurles.

Orizio

LeoB wrote: »

Is Hurling played anywhere other than the Waterford, Cork, Kilkenny and Tipp?

What is the criteria?

Any chance a player from outside these counties could win? Seems to me these awards are becoming as invaluable as all-stars 7 from the champions 5 from the runners up and a few spread amongst our friends in the other big counties, Jeasus I can here Cyril and Micheal justify it on Sunday game.

Lets take Dublin hurlers as an example. Alan McCrabbe has had an exceptional year by any standards, a blip against Limerick but all throught the league he has been super but because he is not from a superpower of hurling he might be nominated "just to keep them happy" but he is as valuable to Hurling as anyone mentioned and this year has contributed as much as any of the players mentioned. Oh and David Tracey for young hurler of the year.

Anyway what is the criteria?

Cork haven't been mentioned in this thread, Dublin failed to turn up for the business end of the championship and, lest we forget, only beat Wexford whereas Kilkenny, Tipp and Waterford have been the best teams with the best players. You can't tell me, for example, that David Treacy has been anywhere near as good as Noel McGrath.

Whippo

Really and honestly, its going to be one of the boys from KK or TN/TS. Lar is a good contender but Sheff is a more likely contender...

deisedude

LeoB wrote: »

Is Hurling played anywhere other than the Waterford, Cork, Kilkenny and Tipp?

What is the criteria?

Any chance a player from outside these counties could win? Seems to me these awards are becoming as invaluable as all-stars 7 from the champions 5 from the runners up and a few spread amongst our friends in the other big counties, Jeasus I can here Cyril and Micheal justify it on Sunday game.

Lets take Dublin hurlers as an example. Alan McCrabbe has had an exceptional year by any standards, a blip against Limerick but all throught the league he has been super but because he is not from a superpower of hurling he might be nominated "just to keep them happy" but he is as valuable to Hurling as anyone mentioned and this year has contributed as much as any of the players mentioned. Oh and David Tracey for young hurler of the year.

Anyway what is the criteria?

I'd agree with much of what Orizio has already said. If your not there at the business end of the season you are not in with much of a shout with winning an all star. BTW League form is irrelevant when it comes to the all stars. Anyway if any Dublin player deserved an all star this year it would be Stephen Hiney

Power-surge

I think John Mullane could get it. Anyone think Tony Browne will get an all star? I thought he played well all year!

Diabhal Beag

I'm fairly certain that Shefflin will be Hurler of the Year. I hope Noel McGrath gets it though.

flahavaj

premierstone wrote: »

For some reason Brick Walsh is still available at 16/1 with PP great value imo

I actually came in to give my vote to Brick. I reckon someone from Kk or Tipp will get it, but IMo no one has been as consistently good as he has this year.

LeoB

Orizio wrote: »

Cork haven't been mentioned in this thread, Dublin failed to turn up for the business end of the championship and, lest we forget, only beat Wexford whereas Kilkenny, Tipp and Waterford have been the best teams with the best players. You can't tell me, for example, that David Treacy has been anywhere near as good as Noel McGrath.

Cork by their standards have had a poor year. But your man The corner back , Brian Murphy ? has been top class. If Cork have a player good enough because of the year they had he should not be excluded

Noel McGrath has top class players around him David Tracey doesnt so does not get the amount of oppertunity McGrath gets. Neither does he get the praise from the pundits or media.

I dont think because a team does not make semi-final should mean they are excluded which is what happens. Ollie Canning? where does he sit with Galway gone? A player for some reason might not play in National league or in first round of championship canthen play 3 or 4 games and win Hurler of the year, that to me is a little silly.

Any way what is the criteria? You need to be in All Ireland semi? From Kilkenny or Munster?
Is there any chance a corner back could get it? or a goalkeeper?

Pjays

Has to be Henry or Tommy Walsh.Though in terms of displays of discipline, I would give it to Henry. I would love to see Tony Browne win an All Star like the poster above. I think he is brilliant. I also would love to see John Tennyson get one. He had a brilliant game against Waterford.

premierstone

LeoB wrote: »

Cork by their standards have had a poor year. But your man The corner back , Brian Murphy ? has been top class. If Cork have a player good enough because of the year they had he should not be excluded

Noel McGrath has top class players around him David Tracey doesnt so does not get the amount of oppertunity McGrath gets. Neither does he get the praise from the pundits or media.

I dont think because a team does not make semi-final should mean they are excluded which is what happens. Ollie Canning? where does he sit with Galway gone? A player for some reason might not play in National league or in first round of championship canthen play 3 or 4 games and win Hurler of the year, that to me is a little silly.

Any way what is the criteria? You need to be in All Ireland semi? From Kilkenny or Munster?
Is there any chance a corner back could get it? or a goalkeeper?

Leo there is no criteria only that you are the best hurler in that given year and tbh there has never been any real controversy about any of the selections.

A couple of goalkeepers have got it and a few defenders aswell so like MOTM awards there is no descrimination, but off course human nature will dictate that a forward on a successfull team will have a better chance.

There really is no conspiracy like you seem to be suggesting infact players from Wexford, Offaly and Galway have all received HOTY infact every county that has been competitive in senior hurling over a sustained period has won the award since its introduction in I think circa 1968 (open to correction on the exact year)

Archebald

shane o neill for cork had a good year ,
lar corbett tipp

suitcasepink

If Henry scores more than 3 points, play or placed, in the final he will get it. I think the two other contentders would be lar corbet and the Brick. Sad to see Mullane lose out but im sure the media will give him an all star.

I think Noel Mc deserves HOTY more then Corbet but Im sure he will be given YHOTY instead, which is a bit unfair.

Spiritoftheseventies

deise_girl wrote: »

If Henry scores more than 3 points, play or placed, in the final he will get it. I think the two other contentders would be lar corbet and the Brick. Sad to see Mullane lose out but im sure the media will give him an all star.

I think Noel Mc deserves HOTY more then Corbet but Im sure he will be given YHOTY instead, which is a bit unfair.

Well it would have been Mullane for me up until the semi-final. One of his best years I think.

premierstone

bayviewclose wrote: »

Well it would have been Mullane for me up until the semi-final. One of his best years I think.

He was poor in the Galway game aswell Ollie Canning definitely won the battle that day

suitcasepink

bayviewclose wrote: »

Well it would have been Mullane for me up until the semi-final. One of his best years I think.

Yeh was his best year I'd say.. Was real unfortunate for him, hoty was shaky for him after Galway but he cant get it after the performance against Kilkenny also. It's the last few matches really that count, if Waterford beat Kilkenny he'd have a huge chance again of it.

Kind of a dumb question but I cant for the life of me remember when the all stars is!? Is it around October/November?
Thanks in advance

deisedude

LeoB wrote: »

Cork by their standards have had a poor year. But your man The corner back , Brian Murphy ? has been top class. If Cork have a player good enough because of the year they had he should not be excluded

Brian Murphy didnt play this year. Shane O'Neill you might be thinking of

soccymonster

deise_girl wrote: »

Kind of a dumb question but I cant for the life of me remember when the all stars is!? Is it around October/November?
Thanks in advance

think it was october 17th-ish last year if that helps

LeoB

deisedude wrote: »

Brian Murphy didnt play this year. Shane O'Neill you might be thinking of

Think thats him. Not great with the names. Thanks

laoisforliam

I dont think john mullane even deserves an all star, totally anonomyous when it mattered in their two biggest games.

deisedude

laoisforliam wrote: »

I dont think john mullane even deserves an all star, totally anonomyous when it mattered in their two biggest games.

Admittedly he didnt play well against Kilkenny but he won a serious amount of frees against Galway and got the winning point. Hardly anonymous

premierstone

laoisforliam wrote: »

I dont think john mullane even deserves an all star, totally anonomyous when it mattered in their two biggest games.

A little harsh perhaps but i do see where your coming from and when you consider theres Henry Shefflin, Lar Corbett, Eddie Brennan, Noel McGrath, Eoin Kelly x2, Dotsie O'Callaghan, Joe Canning, and probably a few more I've forgotten who are all in direct opposition for the 3 full forward line All Stars.

Andd iirc shefflin, corbett and McGrath are the 3 favourite for hurler of the year so stiff competiton indeed.

I do feel however when you consider how unlucky he was last year also that they will accomodate him somewhere in the team possibly move a few around, its not like they havent done it before.

Spiritoftheseventies

Shefflin had a good game against Waterford but has been quiet enough by his standards this year.
Hard one to call really at this stage but Tommy Walsh I say is in the mix.

yahoo_moe

premierstone wrote: »

theres Henry Shefflin, Lar Corbett, Eddie Brennan, Noel McGrath, Eoin Kelly x2, Dotsie O'Callaghan, Joe Canning

It'll be a disgrace if Mullane doesn't get an All-Star, I think - and a double disgrace after last year.

I don't think there's as much (worthy) competition as you think. Of those you mention, Shefflin and Corbett spend enough time in the half-forward line to be taken care of there, while O'Callaghan and Canning have had similar years to Mullane - good early on but waning as the year went on and the more important matches arrived.

Brennan's been quiet enough until the Waterford game (though a good final will get him in) while Eoin Kelly (Waterford) has been way behind Mullane this year.

Incidentally, I hope Ben O'Connor isn't forgotten either - deserves a nomination anyway.

Spiritoftheseventies

yahoo_moe wrote: »

It'll be a disgrace if Mullane doesn't get an All-Star, I think - and a double disgrace after last year.

I don't think there's as much (worthy) competition as you think. Of those you mention, Shefflin and Corbett spend enough time in the half-forward line to be taken care of there, while O'Callaghan and Canning have had similar years to Mullane - good early on but waning as the year went on and the more important matches arrived.

Brennan's been quiet enough until the Waterford game (though a good final will get him in) while Eoin Kelly (Waterford) has been way behind Mullane this year.

Incidentally, I hope Ben O'Connor isn't forgotten either - deserves a nomination anyway.

Yes think Mullane will definitely get an All Star no matter what else. Dotsy I think has been good but did go missing at times during the season. Think Rushe was one of best young hurlers of the year. Has had a terrific season over all.

premierstone

yahoo_moe wrote: »

It'll be a disgrace if Mullane doesn't get an All-Star, I think - and a double disgrace after last year.

I don't think there's as much (worthy) competition as you think. Of those you mention, Shefflin and Corbett spend enough time in the half-forward line to be taken care of there, while O'Callaghan and Canning have had similar years to Mullane - good early on but waning as the year went on and the more important matches arrived.

Brennan's been quiet enough until the Waterford game (though a good final will get him in) while Eoin Kelly (Waterford) has been way behind Mullane this year.

Incidentally, I hope Ben O'Connor isn't forgotten either - deserves a nomination anyway.

I never meant to suggest that he shouldnt or didnt deserve one all im saying is it is far from a forgone conclusion.

Corbett has spent about 20 mins in the half forward line this year when John O'Brien went FF against Clare and he has scored 6-8 or 6-9 form play all from the inside forward line so If Tipp win the AI he is a certainty. Noel McGrath IMO has the other Corner as good as in the bag unless he has a mare in the AI .

Eddie Brennan was also very good against Galway and in the league final so to say he has been quite is a bit harsh, he certainly got more change out of the Galway backs than Mullane did.

I agree with you regarding Canning and O'Callaghan but dont underestimate the Canning media bandwagon, they will just look at what he scored regardless of what was from play and what was from placed balls.

All in all I would personally find a place for Mullane but to say its a certainty as some have or to claim it would be a travesty if he is omitted is wide of the mark IMO.

yahoo_moe

premierstone wrote: »

Corbett has spent about 20 mins in the half forward line this year

Oh sorry I thought he'd spent more time out there when Callinan's been switched into the full-forward line but I'll take a Tipp man's word for it Noel McGrath I think would be ahead of Mullane, even with a quiet final, so that does complicate things a bit.

Personally I'd still have Mullane ahead of Brennan this year, although the fact Brennan's still there with another chance to shine might edge it.

dont underestimate the Canning media bandwagon

I'm not but I think he's some way down the list - he got an All-Star last year largely for his performance against Cork but he hasn't even had that type of performance this year I don't think.

premierstone

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Oh sorry I thought he'd spent more time out there when Callinan's been switched into the full-forward line but I'll take a Tipp man's word for it Noel McGrath I think would be ahead of Mullane, even with a quiet final, so that does complicate things a bit.

Personally I'd still have Mullane ahead of Brennan this year, although the fact Brennan's still there with another chance to shine might edge it.

I'm not but I think he's some way down the list - he got an All-Star last year largely for his performance against Cork but he hasn't even had that type of performance this year I don't think.

Oh dont get me started on Callinan he may end up drifting in there at times but he is nver really in the FF line persay, probably explains why in all 4 of our matches the most influential hurler on the opposition team has been the Centre Back but thats for another day :mad:

I actually hope Mullane does get one just as long as its not at the expense of a Tipp man

I wholeheartedly agree with you on Canning he has had a very ordinary year by he's own high standards but it seems its like heresy now to suggest that he's not the be all and end all, similarily last year Shefflin was returning from injury and apart from he's impeccible free-taking was decidedly ordinary but still got an all-star simply because he was Henry Shefflin so it wouldnt suprise me at all.

suitcasepink

I think the big thing for Mullane is, when the matches really count for all stars he didn't perform. I still think he'll get one, kind of a way to make up for last year iswell.

I don't think Cork will get any all stars, maybe an odd nomination but really you have to win more then one match for one.

Galway might get one or two i'd say... The cannings have the best hope

Tipperary will have their few as long as Kilkenny don't beat them to bad

Kilkenny.... Deserve the 15 really but it will be intresting to see how many they get

Waterford we might get a few... Wasnt a bad year, the brick mullane, clinton, molumph all have chances. OIh and im really hoping for a noimination for YHOTY for Connors.

Limerick will probs get a few, again not to many

premierstone

deise_girl wrote: »

I think the big thing for Mullane is, when the matches really count for all stars he didn't perform. I still think he'll get one, kind of a way to make up for last year iswell. Agreed

I don't think Cork will get any all stars, maybe an odd nomination but really you have to win more then one match for one. Again agreed Ben O'Connor is the only real contender IMO

Galway might get one or two i'd say... The cannings have the best hope Joe should be no where near one but will be, Ollie should be a certainty

Tipperary will have their few as long as Kilkenny don't beat them to bad Alot will depend on the final but should be a few alright

Kilkenny.... Deserve the 15 really but it will be intresting to see how many they getOn this years performances ? Dont deserve anywhere near that tbh

Waterford we might get a few... Wasnt a bad year, the brick mullane, clinton, molumph all have chances. OIh and im really hoping for a noimination for YHOTY for Connors. Agree with all this apart from Clinton Hennesy will be nowhere near one

Limerick will probs get a few, again not to many Doubt very much they'll get one at all , absolutely no forwards, O'Mahaoney had one good game and the first test the backs had they failed it miserably, Mark Foley might get a nomination .

You never mentioned Dublin tut tut I think McCrabbe shoulfd definitely get one and Hiney deserves a nomination.