dundalk-drogheda relations

andr3w103

why do people from dundalk nd drogheda hate each other so much ......(dont post comments like droghedas a kip or dundalks a hole) ...i personly think its retarded having fights wit eachother cause ur from different towns....they both basicly the same

petes

Did someone say Drogheda *spits*


You are always going to get that in a county between towns. I live in Dundalk and there is some animosity towards Drogheda people (such as my opening) which is from idiots. I could'nt care less. I'm from Meath.

bottomdog

I have lived in both towns and always tried to promote goodwill between them. However, I have always noticed that young yobs had this mentality. at soccer matches etc. The real problems arose in the last 10 to 15 years when Louth County Council executives mixed with governmental departments showed a disgraceful financial bias towards Dundalk. Despite the equal population base the allocation of IDA / Government/ civil servent jobs and grants was greatly weighted towards Dundalk. This caused frustration in the South of the county and rightly so. There is a 'Dundalk Gets Everything ' feeling. This was based on solid facts and still causes resentment and the blame is entirely governmental.....at a 'lower ' level its just banter....I will add that much of the imbalance has been addressed in recent years but the Council's "Dundalk comes FIRST and oh yes we nearly forgot about Drogheda' attitude is very much the order of the day in County Hall to this very day.

southlouth type

Great post bottomdog , thats exactly why Drogheda people have a problem with Dundalk .We have been screwed for decades by louth county council and by government in general . BUT it has to be said if some of the stupid people of Drogheda and south louth in general would stop voting for the likes of Dermot ahern we might get some representation . That man couldnt give a toss about anything outside Dundalk /north louth and shows absolute disdain towards us . Other reasons for the rivalry are mainly sporting with Drogheda utd being in there shadow for years and them being in the first division recenlty while we were winning trophies and playing in europe .

DYLF

southlouth type wrote: »

Great post bottomdog , thats exactly why Drogheda people have a problem with Dundalk .We have been screwed for decades by louth county council and by government in general . BUT it has to be said if some of the stupid people of Drogheda and south louth in general would stop voting for the likes of Dermot ahern we might get some representation . That man couldnt give a toss about anything outside Dundalk /north louth and shows absolute disdain towards us . Other reasons for the rivalry are mainly sporting with Drogheda utd being in there shadow for years and them being in the first division recenlty while we were winning trophies and playing in europe .

have to agree with that. dermot ahern couldnt give a s#it about anything out side of his electoral area. i live in drogheda and i support drogheda united and i get the bit of friendly team rivalry. just like meath/dublin etc but but what i dont get is the whole "dundalk is a ****hole", "drogheda is full of scumbags" kinda crap. both town are nice towns. both have their problem area and their good areas. same as any other town. and anyone who says differently has obviously never been around either town much!:D

andr3w103

alri ....so its the goverments fault (once again) lol ... I live just outside drogheda and go to school in dundalk so im go to both of them alot .... There basically the same place :they both have a few estates old shoppin centres and a big new one and of corse loads of aldis and lidls lol

DundalkDuffman

bottomdog wrote: »

governmental departments showed a disgraceful financial bias towards Dundalk. Despite the equal population base the allocation of IDA / Government/ civil servent jobs and grants was greatly weighted towards Dundalk. This caused frustration in the South of the county and rightly so. There is a 'Dundalk Gets Everything ' feeling. This was based on solid facts and still causes resentment and the blame is entirely

I understand your point entirely however you make no reference to possibly the biggest advantage in recent times that Drogheda has gotten over Dundalk in the steady reduction of services in Louth County Hospital that are going to an already overstretched and currently dangerous Lourdes.

southlouth type

DundalkDuffman wrote: »

I understand your point entirely however you make no reference to possibly the biggest advantage in recent times that Drogheda has gotten over Dundalk in the steady reduction of services in Louth County Hospital that are going to an already overstretched and currently dangerous Lourdes.

How is that an advantage to Drogheda .I wouldnt see the fact that we still have a hospital in the town as an advantage whatsoever . its unfortunate that you dont have one in dundalk but its not an advantage to us , its what i would expect tbh ! But as you stated its over stretched and dangerous so its not an ideal situation for anyone . Its a pain in the whole for you lot to have to tra vel down here to use it but weve had to travel to dundalk for generations to do driving tests , tax your car etc etc .

Kalashnikov_Kid

DYLF wrote: »

have to agree with that. dermot ahern couldnt give a s#it about anything out side of his electoral area. i live in drogheda and i support drogheda united and i get the bit of friendly team rivalry. just like meath/dublin etc but but what i dont get is the whole "dundalk is a ****hole", "drogheda is full of scumbags" kinda crap. both town are nice towns. both have their problem area and their good areas. same as any other town. and anyone who says differently has obviously never been around either town much!:D

I dont mean to stir it or anything, but with regards to Dermot Ahern, you could say the exact same about Fergus O'Dowd re Dundalk - he certainly made it clear where he wanted the new hospital located in....

mickey mac

southlouth type wrote: »

Great post bottomdog , thats exactly why Drogheda people have a problem with Dundalk .We have been screwed for decades by louth county council and by government in general . BUT it has to be said if some of the stupid people of Drogheda and south louth in general would stop voting for the likes of Dermot ahern we might get some representation . That man couldnt give a toss about anything outside Dundalk /north louth and shows absolute disdain towards us . Other reasons for the rivalry are mainly sporting with Drogheda utd being in there shadow for years and them being in the first division recenlty while we were winning trophies and playing in europe .

The fact that Michael Bell got elected some many times is a perfect example of how narrow minded the people of Drogheda were/are!

MichealConroy

My thought's on Drog people is based on the relationship bewteen Dundalk F.C and Dr*gheda United. To be fair they had a good 2-3 years and are now back where they belong.




IN Our Shadow!

event

southlouth type wrote: »

How is that an advantage to Drogheda .I wouldnt see the fact that we still have a hospital in the town as an advantage whatsoever . its unfortunate that you dont have one in dundalk but its not an advantage to us , its what i would expect tbh ! But as you stated its over stretched and dangerous so its not an ideal situation for anyone . Its a pain in the whole for you lot to have to tra vel down here to use it but weve had to travel to dundalk for generations to do driving tests , tax your car etc etc .

i think its a little bit more serious having to drive to a hospital in a different town than have to do the same to tax your car or do a driving test

Porkpie

Anyone from Dundalk that hates people from Drogheda or vice versa is an idiot. Grow a brain cell for f*ck's sake. This 'us' versus 'them' attitude is really pathetic.

Wertz

Porkpie wrote: »

Anyone from Dundalk that hates people from Drogheda or vice versa is an idiot. Grow a brain cell for f*ck's sake. This 'us' versus 'them' attitude is really pathetic.

Indeed...we need to combine our hatred and focus it on that other town on the east coast that begins with "D" :pac:

andr3w103

event wrote: »

i think its a little bit more serious having to drive to a hospital in a different town than have to do the same to tax your car or do a driving test

belive me your better off away from the lourdes...........and there is a hospital in dundalk

jesus_thats_gre

Dundalk for life, yo!!

andr3w103

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Dundalk for life, yo!!

it says your from dublin wtf lol

bottomdog

andr3w103 wrote: »

belive me your better off away from the lourdes...........and there is a hospital in dundalk

Few points here, The Lourdes Hospital was built by the Medical Missionaries and supported by funds raised locally, It was not a government hospital. In recent years it was taken over by the Health Board when it ceased to be a private hospital....But, It's not Dundalk's fault it got more than its fair share. Typically what happens is a Ministry decides to set up a project in every county, They ministry will then contact the County Council and ask for advice and co-operation and site suggestions, the Council then always directs the programme or division into Dundalk being the county town. And that's how it works woth every ministry,plus the IDA, Lotto money, sports funding etc etc. But there is also a very valid arguement that Dundalk needs this investment more given that Drogheda is the richer of the two towns, if house prices are an indicator of wealth. But whoever said the two should bury the hatchet was right. A wonderful gesture would be for the council to pass a motion of 'parity of treatment between the two main urban centres'....( Dream on Drogheda it will never happen ):rolleyes:

fh041205

MichealConroy wrote: »

My thought's on Drog people is based on the relationship bewteen Dundalk F.C and Dr*gheda United. To be fair they had a good 2-3 years and are now back where they belong.




IN Our Shadow!

There is a saw doctors song called 'To win just once' that sums up the Drogheda perspective up nicely. I don't imagine you'll be too interested in this but the reason I don't like Dundalk fc is because of people like you who continually take credit for a squad that won the league in 1939. That defies belief. I don't think any current Dundalk supporters could remember that day so why is it relevent.

I've been following the league since 2002 so the idea that Drogheda are in Dundalks shadow truly perplexes me. Nevertheless, I think that perhaps you should have your say about this post before we agree to disagree, at the risk of hijacking this thread!

I apologise to everyone else in this thread but I really couldn't resist taking the bait on this one.

andr3w103

bottomdog wrote: »

Few points here, The Lourdes Hospital was built by the Medical Missionaries and supported by funds raised locally, It was not a government hospital. In recent years it was taken over by the Health Board when it ceased to be a private hospital....But, It's not Dundalk's fault it got more than its fair share. Typically what happens is a Ministry decides to set up a project in every county, They ministry will then contact the County Council and ask for advice and co-operation and site suggestions, the Council then always directs the programme or division into Dundalk being the county town. And that's how it works woth every ministry,plus the IDA, Lotto money, sports funding etc etc. But there is also a very valid arguement that Dundalk needs this investment more given that Drogheda is the richer of the two towns, if house prices are an indicator of wealth. But whoever said the two should bury the hatchet was right. A wonderful gesture would be for the council to pass a motion of 'parity of treatment between the two main urban centres'....( Dream on Drogheda it will never happen ):rolleyes:

ok but i dont really care about dundalk gettin more fundin i was just sayin d lourdes is a sh**hole:D

Pighead

fh041205 wrote: »

There is a saw doctors song called 'To win just once' that sums up the Drogheda perspective up nicely. I don't imagine you'll be too interested in this but the reason I don't like Dundalk fc is because of people like you who continually take credit for a squad that won the league in 1939. That defies belief. I don't think any current Dundalk supporters could remember that day so why is it relevent.

What on earth are you banging on about 1939 for? Dundalks success is way more recent than that! We've won five league titles and five FAI Cups in the past 30 years! Our success wasful years were in the 70's, 80's and 90's ya big eejit!

fh041205 wrote: »

I apologise to everyone else in this thread but I really couldn't resist taking the bait on this one.

And so you should apologise! It was an awful post.

Trafford Lad

MichealConroy wrote: »

My thought's on Drog people is based on the relationship bewteen Dundalk F.C and Dr*gheda United. To be fair they had a good 2-3 years and are now back where they belong.




IN Our Shadow!

Hilarious...:rolleyes:..You lot certainly are very witty and humourous up there in Dundalk...Living in the past as usual.

Ann22

andr3w103 wrote: »

belive me your better off away from the lourdes...........and there is a hospital in dundalk

Yeah we have a hospital with no kids ward or maternity:(. My wee fella was in the special care unit in the Lourdes when he was born due to haemolytic anaemia and again at 1yr as he had a virus...the staff were brilliant.

andr3w103

Ann22 wrote: »

Yeah we have a hospital with no kids ward or maternity:(. My wee fella was in the special care unit in the Lourdes when he was born due to haemolytic anaemia and again at 1yr as he had a virus...the staff were brilliant.

Ye were lucky lmao i suppose it depends on wat your in for most of it is terrible though ... You could be in intensive care for 12hrs.for example.
Dundalk hospital is waay cleaner though. its a shame they dont have the other wards

Ann22

andr3w103 wrote: »

Ye were lucky lmao i suppose it depends on wat your in for most of it is terrible though ... You could be in intensive care for 12hrs.for example.
Dundalk hospital is waay cleaner though. its a shame they dont have the other wards

Yeah I have heard a few horror stories sadly. I had both my children in the Louth hospital. It was far more personal...like all the nurses knew the patients by name..the maternity unit had only recently been redecorated when it was closed...when I was moved to the Lourdes with my youngest the staff were great and my baby got really top quality care in the special care unit but they were so busy you rarely saw the same nurse twice.

fh041205

Pighead wrote: »

What on earth are you banging on about 1939 for? Dundalks success is way more recent than that! We've won five league titles and five FAI Cups in the past 30 years! Our success wasful years were in the 70's, 80's and 90's ya big eejit!

You say nothing that I don't already know. If you have a point to make then make it. Otherwise, back on topic...

With regards to the Lourdes hospital, I was in there after a nasty enough accident when i was a kid (about 5 or 6) to get stitches and the staff were great. Looked after us (me and the parents) very well even when it came to health insurance stuff. Thats my only personal experience with them.

DamoDLK

My dads brothers both moved to drogheda in the 80's from Dundalk, thus i've a good few cousins who are drogs. The extend of the dundalk-drogheda relations is usually a small bit of soccer banter thats about it. oh and....
turkiish daylights!

I was in the Lourdes a few years ago after a crash which happened in Dundalk, even in the back of the ambulance i thought it strange that Dundalk had no A&E.. Pity it is only a medical outpost.

Thank god I'm not into politics or football.

I could understand hating a person who continually and purposely hinders different aspects of your life. But hating a town? A region of a county? Madness.



Regardless, I'm from Drogheda and I think Dundalk is a pretty cool place (from the times I've been there, which in fairness, wasn't too often). Both towns are pretty pathetic though. Both are pretty much just streets with one decent shop for every five useless shops and tonnes of cafes, etc. (Again, not sure how precise that is as I haven't spent much time in Dundalk, but they both (Drogheda and Dundalk) seem scarily similar and crappy).


Seen an exact replica GMC A-Team Van parked in Dundalk though, so it's got Drogheda's black-van-with-a-red-stripe-supposed-to-look-like-the-A-Team-Van beat.


... And at the end of the day, isn't that what really matters?

DamoDLK

Deleted User wrote: »

... And at the end of the day, isn't that what really matters?

Lu Abu!

event

fh041205 wrote: »

I've been following the league since 2002 so the idea that Drogheda are in Dundalks shadow truly perplexes me. Nevertheless, I think that perhaps you should have your say about this post before we agree to disagree, at the risk of hijacking this thread!

well thats the problem right there, the league started way before that.

Dundalk are the 2nd most successful team in the league of ireland. 9 leagues and 9 fai cups

Drogheda have 1 league and one fai cup.

ye can dress it up as you like, but drogheda united are definately in dundalks shadow, a few ok years doesnt change that

southlouth type

event wrote: »

well thats the problem right there, the league started way before that.

Dundalk are the 2nd most successful team in the league of ireland. 9 leagues and 9 fai cups

Drogheda have 1 league and one fai cup.

ye can dress it up as you like, but drogheda united are definately in dundalks shadow, a few ok years doesnt change that

A few fantastic years , 1 fai cup , 2 setanta cups and the leauge . Some truly memorable european nights thrown in for good measure , it dosent get any better for Irish clubs .You had your good times many moons ago so why so bitter about our success .Weve had to listen to you people yelp on about yours for decades ffs .

Duff

Ah lads, whoever finishes higher in the league this season has bragging rights okay?

DundalkDuffman

southlouth type wrote: »

A few fantastic years , 1 fai cup , 2 setanta cups and the leauge . Some truly memorable european nights thrown in for good measure , it dosent get any better for Irish clubs .

It does get better if you have 9 leagues and 9 cups

southlouth type

DundalkDuffman wrote: »

It does get better if you have 9 leagues and 9 cups

There you go again with your ancient history lessons :rolleyes: Funny seen you lot and your spoofer manager celebrate a draw against bohs like youd just won the cup .

up the town

Just a quick note, We are not going to sort this out by saying who has the best team or the best hospital, or politicans, etc. Point is the two towns are pretty pathetic.
I say lets just give drogheda to meath, then Dundalk can prosper once again hopefully...

JupiterKid

Typical, immature sad and pathetic irish parochialism at its worst.:( Parochialism is what has held this country back and continues to hold this country back.

Did it occur to anyone that perhaps Drogheda and Dundalk would do best if they could learn to work together, not against each other?:rolleyes:

event

southlouth type wrote: »

A few fantastic years , 1 fai cup , 2 setanta cups and the leauge . Some truly memorable european nights thrown in for good measure , it dosent get any better for Irish clubs .You had your good times many moons ago so why so bitter about our success .Weve had to listen to you people yelp on about yours for decades ffs .

im not bitter, not even close.

well done to drogheda in the last few years, good luck to them.

but no one can deny that Dundalk are a bigger club in footballing terms, its a fact.

it would be like trying to compare chelsea and liverpool (im a fan of neither btw).
chelsea have had a few good years recently, but liverpool are a bigger club and overall more successful.

southlouth type

up the town wrote: »

Just a quick note, We are not going to sort this out by saying who has the best team or the best hospital, or politicans, etc. Point is the two towns are pretty pathetic.
I say lets just give drogheda to meath, then Dundalk can prosper once again hopefully...

I agree with you on one point that Dundalk is pathetic And who is gonna " give " Drogheda to meath ? Your crappy hole of a town has done its best to fcuk us over for generations , Lets just give Dummbdalk over to the north and have done with it once and for all .That would sort it out

southlouth type

event wrote: »

im not bitter, not even close.

well done to drogheda in the last few years, good luck to them.

but no one can deny that Dundalk are a bigger club in footballing terms, its a fact.

it would be like trying to compare chelsea and liverpool (im a fan of neither btw).
chelsea have had a few good years recently, but liverpool are a bigger club and overall more successful.

No one in Drogheda has ever tried to deny your success , but its long gone at this stage .Youve where in the first div for the best part of a decade and are having a bit of a resurgence lately , and fair play to you . And the whole big club thing is a nonsense when talking about Irish football . It goes up and down as you well know .We brought over 12,000 to lansdowne and now struggle to get a crowd .

bottomdog

JupiterKid wrote: »

Typical, immature sad and pathetic irish parochialism at its worst.:( Parochialism is what has held this country back and continues to hold this country back.

Did it occur to anyone that perhaps Drogheda and Dundalk would do best if they could learn to work together, not against each other?:rolleyes:

Yes, wonderful post. :)

Madflah

bottomdog wrote: »

Few points here, The Lourdes Hospital was built by the Medical Missionaries and supported by funds raised locally, It was not a government hospital. In recent years it was taken over by the Health Board when it ceased to be a private hospital....But, It's not Dundalk's fault it got more than its fair share. Typically what happens is a Ministry decides to set up a project in every county, They ministry will then contact the County Council and ask for advice and co-operation and site suggestions, the Council then always directs the programme or division into Dundalk being the county town. And that's how it works woth every ministry,plus the IDA, Lotto money, sports funding etc etc. But there is also a very valid arguement that Dundalk needs this investment more given that Drogheda is the richer of the two towns, if house prices are an indicator of wealth. But whoever said the two should bury the hatchet was right. A wonderful gesture would be for the council to pass a motion of 'parity of treatment between the two main urban centres'....( Dream on Drogheda it will never happen ):rolleyes:

Actually the Medical Missionaries of Mary approached Dundalk Urban District Council for land to build the Lourdes in Dundalk - shortsightedness on behalf of the Council refused to give up a land bank for free so the MMM's approached Drogheda Corp and were welcomed with open arms!

Geography is Drogheda's main disadvantage in relation to Dundalk - certainly in more recent times Drogheda's closer proximity to Dublin has meant that greater investment has gone to Dundalk as part of a demographic spatial strategy, similarly from a business perspective Dundalk has a greater catchment area(half way point between the two major population centres on the island) making it a more attractive location for investment eg Soccer dome/Ice Rink.

The locating of Local Government HQ's in Dundalk has its disadvantages as for example Dundalk UDC was downgraded to a Town council due to duplication of services in County Hall, meaning a smaller budget than Drogheda Corporation for the urban areas.

Regional HQ was moved from Dundalk to Drogheda Garda station.

Dundalk was neglected for investment in everything from infrastructure to industry to social programmes as a direct result of the 'Troubles' for decades! Understandably there is a perception now that Dundalk is being prioritised for investment but in all honesty a lot of this investment is playing catch-up on 30 years of neglect. Dundalk would have greater social issues in particular unemployment which sees the IDA seeming to focus more on Dundalk.
I have worked with LCC, DTC, and Drogheda Corp, and i have to say that the caliber of counsellors are better in Dundalk (this can be cyclical and of course change) but generally the siege mentality shown by the elected representatives in South Louth works against them as they are harder to deal with and as such people tend to try and avoid dealing with them so they lose out!

I like Drogheda and like working there, i dislike the petty rivalry as it is counter productive for both especially Drogheda currently. I can see why there seems to be a bias but that same perception of bias of Drogheda being favoured occured in the past ie 70's and 80's.

Most definately i would swap Dundalks Chamber of Commerce with Droghedas any day cause in Dundalk they are a narrow minded, self serving bunch of idiots.

As for sport i'd like to think its mostly a bit of banter....

On the wealth thing i'm not sure if house prices are a good indicator of wealth as demand for housing in Drogheda would be greater due to Dublin commuters thus pushing up prices. But i would agree that there are more socially disadvantaged people in Dundalk than Drogheda, again attributed initially to being a Border town and housing large amounts of displaced people from the North. The legacy being large areas of social housing eg nearly 7000 people in one area where up to half are unemployed.

Apologies for the long winded post but in my experience no matter where you are the old adage of 'far away fields are greener' often applies!

Whiskey Devil

JupiterKid wrote: »

Typical, immature sad and pathetic irish parochialism at its worst.:( Parochialism is what has held this country back and continues to hold this country back.

Did it occur to anyone that perhaps Drogheda and Dundalk would do best if they could learn to work together, not against each other?:rolleyes:

Reminds me of that Saw Doctors song 'We're all the One'


Now we meet in a Melbourne bar, those old parish lines seem so dim from afar..

fh041205

Whiskey Devil wrote: »

Reminds me of that Saw Doctors song 'We're all the One'


Now we meet in a Melbourne bar, those old parish lines seem so dim from afar..

Thank you. You've made my day.:)

furiousox

MichealConroy wrote: »

My thought's on Drog people is based on the relationship bewteen Dundalk F.C and Dr*gheda United. To be fair they had a good 2-3 years and are now back where they belong.




IN Our Shadow!

Lads...its hardly Real Madrid and Barcelona we're dealing with here is it? :rolleyes:

southlouth type

furiousox wrote: »

Lads...its hardly Real Madrid and Barcelona we're dealing with here is it? :rolleyes:

No its much more important than that to those of us who care .We are proper football fans who care about our local teams and poxy foreign football :rolleyes:

furiousox

southlouth type wrote: »

No its much more important than that to those of us who care .We are proper football fans who care about our local teams and poxy foreign football :rolleyes:

Fair point

garrincha62

In my experience, any animosity between two, lets be honest, depressing dives of towns has arisen from the unequal distribution of TDs over the last 30 years or so.

Droghedeans have only themselves to blame for continuing to elect a corpulant and politically moribund Mickey Bell long after the zest had gone from what was once and astute and effective political brain.

Similarly, the provo-worship that is not all that surprising in a border county (Didn't Bill Clinton once quip at his delight at being in a real bandit town when in Dundalk once?) has held back the development of amenities in the south of the county. By this I mean the huge return of votes for Arthur Morgan from the south of the county, who must have known that Mr. Morgan is based in Dundalk and was always going to focus on what is effectively, closest to home.

These factors, coupled with the continuous election of Messrs Ahern and Kirk have ensured that the vast majority of investment and development initiatives over the past 30 years saw Dundalk race ahead of Drogheda.

With a TD balance of 3/1 in favour of Dundalk, regardless of the intelligence of the Droghedean electorate (obviously a sweeping generalisation, but look at previous election results), it isn't difficult to see why a degree of resentment exists in Drogheda.

As regards the football element, I couldn't really comment too much other than to say that the sum of my interest could easily fit on the back of a postage stamp. Though I do remember seeing graffiti as a kid in the 1980s near St. Mary's Bridge in Drogheda than read DUNDULK FC and thinking Jesus, that crowd up there must have no schools!!!

There's my tuppence worth.

DamoDLK

garrincha62 wrote: »

By this I mean the huge return of votes for Arthur Morgan from the south of the county, who must have known that Mr. Morgan is based in Dundalk and was always going to focus on what is effectively, closest to home.

Carlingford/ Omeath is his area..?

garrincha62

DamoDLK wrote: »

Carlingford/ Omeath is his area..?

From the point of view of many people from Drogheda, he is based in the north of the county, which to many folk means Dundalk, however accurate that may be...

DamoDLK

As Termonfeckin is to Drogheda, Carlingford is to Dundalk..

Maybe even Clogherhead?

garrincha62

DamoDLK wrote: »

As Termonfeckin is to Drogheda, Carlingford is to Dundalk..

Maybe even Clogherhead?

Please don't mention the C-word. There's no need really. I'm a Drog, born and bred in the town boundaries where I currently reside...