Why do you let the catholic church run this country

SLUSK

In the year of or nonexistent lord god 2009 you people still live in a country where abortion still is illegal. What the hell is wrong with you, why do you let this country be run by the catholic church?

Why don't you tell these corrupt child rapist priests to go hell so you can become a civilized country instead of the primitive backwater you are now?

Tom Dunne

Well this is going to be a short debate.

blinding

It seems to be either FF or the CC.

WE would be better off if the mafia would do it as there might be more competition from other mafia.

Eve_Dublin

Because we're toothless simpletons who are too busy riding bare-back on horses through council estates all day (Thanks Alan Partridge!) and are incapable of governing ourselves because of our limited intelligence from years of inbreeding (my mother is my brother and also my cousin and husband...that kind of thing)

Have you come to save us, Oh Great One?

mehmeh12

This country is just simply fuked up.

TanG411

Can't wait to move to a country where the police force actually care about the people.

mehmeh12

And what country would this be?

jhegarty

Did you really need to start a new thread ?

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055595255

SLUSK

This time I want to know why the catholic church is running this country like the theocracy in Iran.

I would say that the Catholic Church has a tenuous grasp, at best, on the running of this country. In what affairs do they have a say? Very few that I can think of.

In the year of or nonexistent lord god 2009 you people still live in a country where abortion still is illegal.

The abortion issue is far from being just a religious issue. I would say that it being illegal is related more to ethics and morals than it is to the power of the Catholic Church.

What the hell is wrong with you, why do you let this country be run by the catholic church?

Examples?

Why don't you tell these corrupt child rapist priests to go hell so you can become a civilized country instead of the primitive backwater you are now?

What a hyperbole! I would say that we're far more civilized than other so called civilized countries (read: US). If you're correlating the religious holding sway with the level of a country's civilization, then Ireland doesn't do too badly. Using that measure, the US is far less civilized.

jhegarty

SLUSK wrote: »

This time I want to know why the catholic church is running this country like the theocracy in Iran.

Last time I checked we had free and fair elections. If you don't like any party you are free to start your own.

I don't think the church had any opposition party leaders arrested at the last election.


Sorry, remind me how is anything like Iran ?

Zombrex

SLUSK wrote: »

This time I want to know why the catholic church is running this country like the theocracy in Iran.

Because they are our moral guides and leaders. You rebel against them because Satan has blackened your heart. The Catholic Church is the only thing stopping this God forsaken country sliding into a pit of materialistic selfishness and sin. You desire selfish "rights" such as the "right" to kill children simply because they inconvenience you and then you have gawl to complain that some organisations are trying to keep this country on a moral footing.





(sorry, couldn't resist)

mehmeh12

The same moral footing of the Ryan report? what are you on about?

Zombrex

mehmeh12 wrote: »

The same moral footing of the Ryan report? what are you on about?

All men sin. All men fall before the glory of God. All men are wicked and deserving of punishment. It is the Churches duty to guide all towards the saving salvation of Jesus Christ. That is their purpose and duty.

mehmeh12

I take it that you work for the church? :mad:

Dudess

I wouldn't take what Wicknight is saying seriously.

SLUSK wrote: »

In the year of or nonexistent lord god 2009 you people still live in a country where abortion still is illegal. What the hell is wrong with you, why do you let this country be run by the catholic church?

Why don't you tell these corrupt child rapist priests to go hell so you can become a civilized country instead of the primitive backwater you are now?

We have done - loads of times. And the church's grip is loosening by the day.

mehmeh12 wrote: »

This country is just simply fuked up.

No it isn't - it really, really isn't. Zimbabwe is a country that's fuked up.

SLUSK wrote: »

This time I want to know why the catholic church is running this country like the theocracy in Iran.

LOL - yep, sure it is.

randypriest

Wicknight wrote: »

Because they are our moral guides and leaders. You rebel against them because Satan has blackened your heart. The Catholic Church is the only thing stopping this God forsaken country sliding into a pit of materialistic selfishness and sin. You desire selfish "rights" such as the "right" to kill children simply because they inconvenience you and then you have gawl to complain that some organisations are trying to keep this country on a moral footing.

(sorry, couldn't resist)

Oh for Fuck sake you cant be serious?

Zombrex

mehmeh12 wrote: »

I take it that you work for the church? :mad:

Why would you assume that?

mehmeh12

To be honest given what you have posted about the catholic church i don't think anyone will take you seriously :P

Zombrex

randypriest wrote: »

Oh for Fuck sake you cant be serious?

Oh I'm sorry, was this thread supposed to be serious? :pac:

The biggest problem with the Catholic Church in this country is the people who have no fecking clue what the Catholic Church is, what it does, or what it is supposed to do.

It is like FF supporters turning around now with a puzzled look on their faces and and giving out to their local TD because we are in a ressession. Yes and? What did you think was going to happen? You voted for them, they haven't changed ...

I'm bewildered at people who with genuine shock get annoyed that the Catholic Church didn't hand over the perpetrators of sexual abuse to the authorities. Of course they didn't! That is the whole point of the Catholic Church!

There is not a single Catholic in this country who should be complaining about the Ryan report. The Catholic Church did exactly what they are supposed to do in that situation. It is horrific and illegal and immoral, but that is what the Catholic Church is. The Ryan report does not highlight flaws in the Catholic Church, it highlights normal operating procedure, which has been supported by every Catholic in the country since Patrick starting hitting snakes over the head

The problem with this country is the people of this country. We are a country of clueless idiots basically, who don't bother to find out anything about the groups we support and then get all hot and bothered when they turn around and bite us in the ass.

Dudess

I'd be rightly pissed off if I was Iranian and someone compared Ireland (a country where we can say what the hell we like about any politician, and where we live in utter luxury compared to the people of many countries - Celtic Tiger or recession) to Iran.
I think it's hilarious how some people who post on Boards.ie like to pretend Ireland is this fascist dictatorship ("banana republic", along with "PC" and "bedgrudgery" have to be the most incorrectly used phrases on Boards) and are oblivious to the irony of the fact they are free to whinge about it all they want on a public messageboard.

bangersandmash

SLUSK wrote: »

In the year of or nonexistent lord god 2009 you people still live in a country where abortion still is illegal. What the hell is wrong with you, why do you let this country be run by the catholic church?

SLUSK wrote: »

ireland is a sinking ship, get out while you still can.

SLUSK wrote: »

Ireland is in a real mess...I do not feel sorry for you guys. You deserve to be in this mess you are in and I can only laugh at you.

I'm starting to get the vague impression that SLUSK is not overly fond of Ireland.

bogs

the Catholic Church is not made up of rapists.IM a Catholic and everyday im trying to find Jesus but with great difficulty.Im a married man with three kids and a wife and struggling everyday to find our salvation.Before you Thread think of what you are saying before you press the keypad.

mehmeh12

bogs wrote: »

the Catholic Church is not made up of rapists.IM a Catholic and everyday im trying to find Jesus but with great difficulty.Im a married man with three kids and a wife and struggling everyday to find our salvation.Before you Thread think of what you are saying before you press the keypad.

With all due respect you won't find salvation through the church. Maybe with a better job but thats unlikely given how ****ty fiana fail have made this country.

NickNolte

If I had the permissions, I'd move this rubbish to After Hours. Unfortunately I don't.

randypriest

mehmeh12 wrote: »

With all due respect you won't find salvation through the church. Maybe with a better job but thats unlikely given how ****ty fiana fail have made this country.

+1

Well said.

Dankoozy

i wish the catholic church actually did run this country. anything would be better than FF and their new property tax

sure the catholic church doesn't like sex but thats only because the priests are jealous, in a few years they will "loosen up" i'm sure. with the catholic church running this country i'd say it would be an altogether more friendly place, everyone goes to mass and knows each other, twould be great - just like the good old days. if priests were allowed to shag there would be no more paedophiles becoming priests anymore

AMIIAM

the Catholic Church is not made up of rapists.IM a Catholic and everyday im trying to find Jesus but with great difficulty.Im a married man with three kids and a wife and struggling everyday to find our salvation.Before you Thread think of what you are saying before you press the keypad.
Waken up Bogs. Only fools would waste their time searching for "Jesus"! How do we know if this guy ever existed? Because it says so in a "holy book"? LOL. What exactly is a "holy book"? Who decides these matters? Who was the author of this book? Have any of these facts mentioned in this book ever been thoroughly researched by people with no vested interest in their findings? The biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.

AMIIAM

AMIIAM wrote: »

Waken up Bogs. Only fools would waste their time searching for "Jesus"! How do we know if this guy ever existed? Because it says so in a "holy book"? LOL. What exactly is a "holy book"? Who decides these matters? Who was the author of this book? Have any of these facts mentioned in this book ever been thoroughly researched by people with no vested interest in their findings? The biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.

And with that, this thread is dead.

irish_bob

Dudess wrote: »

I'd be rightly pissed off if I was Iranian and someone compared Ireland (a country where we can say what the hell we like about any politician, and where we live in utter luxury compared to the people of many countries - Celtic Tiger or recession) to Iran.
I think it's hilarious how some people who post on Boards.ie like to pretend Ireland is this fascist dictatorship ("banana republic", along with "PC" and "bedgrudgery" have to be the most incorrectly used phrases on Boards) and are oblivious to the irony of the fact they are free to whinge about it all they want on a public messageboard.

agreed , the irony often is that the same people who make theese comments are usually leftys who are the 1st to defend islamic extremism

ChocolateSauce

The irony is I think SLUSK is somewhat right; s/he just totally ignores little things like history, circumstance, mass psychology, manners and diplomacy as well as our situation relative to other nations. Like Iran. That's some hyperbole.

Ostrom

SLUSK wrote: »

In the year of or nonexistent lord god 2009 you people still live in a country where abortion still is illegal. What the hell is wrong with you, why do you let this country be run by the catholic church?

Why don't you tell these corrupt child rapist priests to go hell so you can become a civilized country instead of the primitive backwater you are now?

Why not present an argument? Or is it easier to poke?

Húrin

I think some troll has hijacked Slusk's account

Húrin

AMIIAM wrote: »

Waken up Bogs. Only fools would waste their time searching for "Jesus"! How do we know if this guy ever existed? Because it says so in a "holy book"? LOL. What exactly is a "holy book"? Who decides these matters? Who was the author of this book? Have any of these facts mentioned in this book ever been thoroughly researched by people with no vested interest in their findings? The biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.

May I suggest these forums, in this order:
1. ranting and raving
2. atheism
3. Christianity

miec

i wish the catholic church actually did run this country. anything would be better than FF and their new property tax

sure the catholic church doesn't like sex but thats only because the priests are jealous, in a few years they will "loosen up" i'm sure. with the catholic church running this country i'd say it would be an altogether more friendly place, everyone goes to mass and knows each other, twould be great - just like the good old days. if priests were allowed to shag there would be no more paedophiles becoming priests anymore

I don't know if this is a piss take, but the Catholic Church did run the country at one point, but to the original Op, they do not run the country now. Whilst I am pro-choice I don't think the probihition of abortion makes a country uncivilised, as one other poster pointed out, it is based on other factors. Yes in ways there are ****ed up aspects to Irish life and society but every country has its **** ups. I will say this, Ireland was much more ****ed up in the past. In the past a lot of Irish people obeyed the church but we've developed a bit of reflexivity since then and to compare Ireland to Iran is ludicrous.

Dades

I think we should really be giving the Catholic Church more power.

I mean, take the Vatican. The Church completely control that whole country and look at the crime levels, the architecture, the culture... Everyone walking about in gilded robes with jewel-encrusted sticks. Big houses filled with priceless works of art... sweet.

Sign me up. :pac:

asti_mivec

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

I would say that the Catholic Church has a tenuous grasp, at best, on the running of this country. In what affairs do they have a say? Very few that I can think of.

Have to add my 2c quickly before I head off...

There are numerous affairs that they still have a say in unfortunately. My biggest complaint is that the CC still have a fair grasp on the primary and post-primary education system which is where their brainwashing can get started!! :eek:

Joey the lips

Stupid thread with no substance. I am catholic. I attend mass and the last time i looked it was the govt that ran the country not the church. Oh and the only reason that the govt runs the country is there is a large majority of people who seem to think it far easier to sit at home and complain rather than get of there backside and do something about it,

DublinWriter

SLUSK wrote: »

In the year of or nonexistent lord god 2009 you people still live in a country where abortion still is illegal. What the hell is wrong with you, why do you let this country be run by the catholic church?

Because they are slightly more humane than the vicious swamp monsters of Algon 6.

Ostrom

SLUSK wrote: »

you people still live in a country where abortion still is illegal.

What the hell is wrong with you

why do you let this country be run by the catholic church?

Why don't you tell these corrupt child rapist priests to go hell

so you can become a civilized country instead of the primitive backwater you are now?

Someone should raise these points at the next country meeting

Fighting Irish

bogs wrote: »

the Catholic Church is not made up of rapists.IM a Catholic and everyday im trying to find Jesus but with great difficulty.Im a married man with three kids and a wife and struggling everyday to find our salvation.Before you Thread think of what you are saying before you press the keypad.

I just saw him down in Tescos buying a pack of comdoms and a cucumber


lol @ religion

allabouteve

Joey the lips wrote: »

Stupid thread with no substance. I am catholic. I attend mass and the last time i looked it was the govt that ran the country not the church. Oh and the only reason that the govt runs the country is there is a large majority of people who seem to think it far easier to sit at home and complain rather than get of there backside and do something about it,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Irish Government hand over control of the education system (85% of schools being Church-run, I'm told by a teacher friend) to the various churches?

And isn't education the cornerstone of society?

Huge abdication of responsiblilty on the governments behalf in my opinion, and a major argument for the Churches having way too much control over society.

Joey the lips

allabouteve wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Irish Government hand over control of the education system (85% of schools being Church-run, I'm told by a teacher friend) to the various churches?

And isn't education the cornerstone of society?

Huge abdication of responsiblilty on the governments behalf in my opinion, and a major argument for the Churches having way too much control over society.

Consider yourself corrected, your wrong. I also went to a catholic school. Todays catholic schools are also different and lastly this is not what the op said. Infact the op said nothing worth while which is why i still think it a stupid thread with no substance.

However there possibly is a solution as such. Privatise the schools. Do a way with religion in them. No religious teaching what so ever.

Guarantee you this! A lot of parents wont like haveing to bring there children to classes they will have to pay for privatly, That is to say communion classes, confirmation classes etc.

Nobody is expected to practice religion if they dont want to and again we are actually trying to give substance to the ops opeing point which of course had none.

AMIIAM

"And isn't education the cornerstone of society"
All about eve, What exactly has a bunch of 5-10 year olds learning their "Hail Marys', "Our Fathers'" "Glory bees'" etc got to do with education???

allabouteve

Joey the lips wrote: »

Consider yourself corrected, your wrong. I also went to a catholic school. Todays catholic schools are also different and lastly this is not what the op said. Infact the op said nothing worth while which is why i still think it a stupid thread with no substance.

However there possibly is a solution as such. Privatise the schools. Do a way with religion in them. No religious teaching what so ever.

Guarantee you this! A lot of parents wont like haveing to bring there children to classes they will have to pay for privatly, That is to say communion classes, confirmation classes etc.

Nobody is expected to practice religion if they dont want to and again we are actually trying to give substance to the ops opeing point which of course had none.

Sorry, but how am I wrong? What percentage of Irish schools are controlled by churches?

Can you offer me statistics?

I have no problem with people following religion, but my point stands...the government pays the churches to run the schools on the States behalf.

Can you offer me some evidence otherwise?

I'm pretty certain that the number of non/multi denominational schools in ireland is in the low percentages.

I'll stand corrected if you offer me evidence that the Churches haven't a controlling stake in the educational system of the Irish state.

Nevyn

Joey the lips wrote: »

However there possibly is a solution as such. Privatise the schools.

You mean nationalise them, make all schools public ally own rather then privately own and publicly funded.

Joey the lips wrote: »

Do a way with religion in them. No religious teaching what so ever.

This I disagree with there should be comparative religious studies ie learning about different religions but there should not be religious instruction in any religion.

Joey the lips wrote: »

Guarantee you this! A lot of parents wont like haveing to bring there children to classes they will have to pay for privatly, That is to say communion classes, confirmation classes etc.

Those should be taught in the churches/temples/mosques, they should be facilitated by thier religious community like other faiths are.

Joey the lips wrote: »

Nobody is expected to practice religion if they dont want to and again we are actually trying to give substance to the ops opeing point which of course had none.

Really, my kids stil have to stand with the rest of the class while prayers are being said even if they don't say them.

AMIIAM wrote: »

"And isn't education the cornerstone of society"
All about eve, What exactly has a bunch of 5-10 year olds learning their "Hail Marys', "Our Fathers'" "Glory bees'" etc got to do with education???

And english home work spelling which are easter, glorious, mysteries and art work of colour in Jesus talking to the children and prayers 4 times a day in class.

allabouteve

AMIIAM wrote: »

"And isn't education the cornerstone of society"
All about eve, What exactly has a bunch of 5-10 year olds learning their "Hail Marys', "Our Fathers'" "Glory bees'" etc got to do with education???

You seem to be missing my point.

Which is, it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with education.

allabouteve

Thaedydal wrote: »

This I disagree with there should be comparative religious studies ie learning about different religions but there should not be religious instruction in any religion.

Can't agree with that.

Teaching them any superstitious mumbo-jumbo, comparative or not, is a waste of time they could spend either running around outside or learning something more useful.

Joey the lips

allabouteve wrote: »

Sorry, but how am I wrong? What percentage of Irish schools are controlled by churches?

Can you offer me statistics?

I have no problem with people following religion, but my point stands...the government pays the churches to run the schools on the States behalf.

Can you offer me some evidence otherwise?

I'm pretty certain that the number of non/multi denominational schools in ireland is in the low percentages.

I'll stand corrected if you offer me evidence that the Churches haven't a controlling stake in the educational system of the Irish state.

allabouteve wrote: »

Can't agree with that.

Teaching them any superstitious mumbo-jumbo, comparative or not, is a waste of time they could spend either running around outside or learning something more useful.

You have just contradicted yourself.I have put it in bold to help you. You do not deserve an answer as you clearly have your own issues to deal with. Learn the stats for yourself needless to say the only point that deserves justification is that a member of the church sits on the schools board of management a percentage of the funding comes from goverment and a percentage is raised through the church collections

Joey the lips

Thaedydal wrote: »

You mean nationalise them, make all schools public ally own rather then privately own and publicly funded.



This I disagree with there should be comparative religious studies ie learning about different religions but there should not be religious instruction in any religion.



Those should be taught in the churches/temples/mosques, they should be facilitated by thier religious community like other faiths are.



Really, my kids stil have to stand with the rest of the class while prayers are being said even if they don't say them.



And english home work spelling which are easter, glorious, mysteries and art work of colour in Jesus talking to the children and prayers 4 times a day in class.

With the greatest respect also I am not getting into religious debate with you. You can tell me how my kids should be thought and yet you point out that yours are not. Why should I agree with you? Considering you cannot agree with me?

i as a parent will take the simple root. But honestly I am not worried if they stopped teaching in schools as I practice my religion and will ensure my kids do till they are old enough to decide for themselves. This is a deviation from the op's point wich again I would like to point out had no substance .

allabouteve

Joey the lips wrote: »

You have just contradicted yourself.I have put it in bold to help you. You do not deserve an answer as you clearly have your own issues to deal with. Learn the stats for yourself needless to say the only point that deserves justification is that a member of the church sits on the schools board of management a percentage of the funding comes from goverment and a percentage is raised through the church collections

Let me explain this to you very simply.

I have no problem with people choosing to follow a religion.

I have a problem with religions being responsible for educating children.

I do not follow any religion. To me, its superstitious and makes no sense.

To me.

If your argument contained anything factual, any evidence, anything of substance, I'd make a stab at rebutting you.

But since you're not actually adressing anything except perhaps a perceived stab at Catholicism, I won't expect anything of substance from you.

Feel free to engage me with evidence of non church controlled education for the majority of Irish kids, if you can.

I suspect its not going to happen.