Repeat Exams Fail

Robbie12

Hi im just wondering what happens if you fail a repeat exam i cant find any information about anything to do with the repeats on the college website.

Ive heard of something called super repeats? how much do they cost and what are alternatives if you fail a repeat exam.

Jonathan

Robbie12 wrote: »

Hi im just wondering what happens if you fail a repeat exam i cant find any information about anything to do with the repeats on the college website.

Ive heard of something called super repeats? how much do they cost and what are alternatives if you fail a repeat exam.

You'd generally have to repeat the year unless you can come up with a good reason for doing the super repeats.

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

Technically you're supposed to have a really good excuse to get Super-Supplementals, but if you have absolutely no shame (like some people I know) you can no doubt weasel your way in.

Personally my preferred route is doing at least that modicum of studying before college ends that will allow you to pass exams the first time around without any repeats...unfortunately this is a route that seems to demand too much long-term thinking from a large proportion of the college population.

The Walsho

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote: »

Technically you're supposed to have a really good excuse to get Super-Supplementals, but if you have absolutely no shame (like some people I know) you can no doubt weasel your way in.

Personally my preferred route is doing at least that modicum of studying before college ends that will allow you to pass exams the first time around without any repeats...unfortunately this is a route that seems to demand too much long-term thinking from a large proportion of the college population.

For the record, I've no repeats myself, but your last paragraph is cúnty. What about people who missed exams through illness or a death in the family or something?

Shane St.

U might be able to go on to the next year and do the exam u failed in the next year. In NUIG ur able to do that anyway.
The alternative would be to do the whole year again which would be pretty sick if u only failed one exam

seacláid-te

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote: »

Technically you're supposed to have a really good excuse to get Super-Supplementals, but if you have absolutely no shame (like some people I know) you can no doubt weasel your way in.

Personally my preferred route is doing at least that modicum of studying before college ends that will allow you to pass exams the first time around without any repeats...unfortunately this is a route that seems to demand too much long-term thinking from a large proportion of the college population.

Thats incredibly harsh! There are many genuine reasons why a person can end up failing!

PaulieBoy

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote: »

Technically you're supposed to have a really good excuse to get Super-Supplementals, but if you have absolutely no shame (like some people I know) you can no doubt weasel your way in.

Personally my preferred route is doing at least that modicum of studying before college ends that will allow you to pass exams the first time around without any repeats...unfortunately this is a route that seems to demand too much long-term thinking from a large proportion of the college population.

The bar on passing an exam is pretty low to start out with in the first place, so to fail it twice requires some skill :-)

Bring back college fees and prevent the thickos from going in the first place and wasting my ( taxpayers) money.

And "repeating" an exam because you could not sit it in the first place is a whole different thing.

andrew

PaulieBoy wrote: »

The bar on passing an exam is pretty low to start out with in the first place, so to fail it twice requires some skill :-)

Bring back college fees and prevent the thickos from going in the first place and wasting my ( taxpayers) money.

And "repeating" an exam because you could not sit it in the first place is a whole different thing.

Some courses require that you do single module only tangentially related to the degree(s) on offer, a module which a person might happen to be **** at. I know people sitting econ repeats who have no intention of doing econ ever again but had to in first year just to get to the degree they want. Seeing as they managed to get the points to get in in the first place, I doubt they're thickos.

karlr42

People know what modules are going to be in the course when they're filling out the CAO form(or at least they should), if they don't like them, they've got no obligation to apply to that particular course in that particular college.
I have no time for people who apply to college and take a place, just to come to less than a third of lectures, submit very little coursework and sit out on the cricket pitch in the sunny May weather when the exams are fast approaching. The supplemental is a kick to get you to study the course material, catch up, and learn the lesson for next year that if you put only a little in, you will fail.
Frankly, if you're not mature enough to commit to 4 years of college, which means coming to lectures 5 days a week, spending a few nights and weekends doing assignments, and a couple of weeks of study(trust me, if you pay attention in lectures and do your coursework well, it's very difficult not to pass) at the end of the year, then don't apply.
And to the poster saying it's possible to fail because of a family death or illness, there are facilities in place to do the exams at a later date.

Shane St.

PaulieBoy wrote: »

The bar on passing an exam is pretty low to start out with in the first place, so to fail it twice requires some skill :-)

Bring back college fees and prevent the thickos from going in the first place and wasting my ( taxpayers) money.

And "repeating" an exam because you could not sit it in the first place is a whole different thing.

Iv a mate who failed an exam 3 times. Thats special

http://www.tcd.ie/vp-cao/teo/vpprocsappeals.php

Look for 'special examination' at 6.2.3 ii

fh041205

Lads anyone can study their arse of and pass an exam. It takes a particularly talented individual to go to the minimum amount of lectures, submit the least material and general put in as little effort as possible and still scrape a pass. For the first 2 years of my degree all i have to do is pass, thats it. I have no intention of wasting my time doing twice or 3 times the work I'm required to do. Thats just me though. I think college is about a lot more than just study.

JC 2K3

Very short sighted. Do you imagine that there exist many people scraping passes in 1st and 2nd year and then getting firsts in 3rd year?

Just because something isn't counted in the grand scheme of things doesn't mean it's not valuable for you. Besides the stuff you learn being related to what you'll study in 3rd or 4th year, exam technique and being in the habit or studying will all help you prepare for the exams which really matter.

And, believe it or not, it's possible to be studious and have a great social life. College is about a hell of a lot more than study, but study is an extremely important part of it, and if done right, it shoudln't be a hinderance to anything else you want to do.

godtabh

The Walsho wrote: »

What about people who missed exams through illness or a death in the family or something?

They dont need a second lot of repeats

fh041205 wrote: »

Lads anyone can study their arse of and pass an exam. It takes a particularly talented individual to go to the minimum amount of lectures, submit the least material and general put in as little effort as possible and still scrape a pass. For the first 2 years of my degree all i have to do is pass, thats it. I have no intention of wasting my time doing twice or 3 times the work I'm required to do. Thats just me though. I think college is about a lot more than just study.

I look forward to seeing how this attitude works for you in future job markets

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

andrew wrote: »

Some courses require that you do single module only tangentially related to the degree(s) on offer, a module which a person might happen to be **** at. I know people sitting econ repeats who have no intention of doing econ ever again but had to in first year just to get to the degree they want. Seeing as they managed to get the points to get in in the first place, I doubt they're thickos.

In that case, you would imagine they would do everything in their power to avoid having to sit an exam in such a course twice?

Oh, and obviously when I talk about idiots repeating, I am not talking about people who "missed exams through illness or a death in the family".

JC2K3 is also absolutely right about doing well from the start, I did absolutely no work in my Senior Freshman and Junior Sophister years and it made it a lot lot harder to do well and get a decent final grade. If I could turn back time I definitely would have put a lot more effort in throughout college, and then I would have had a chance at getting an exceptional mark wish is now lost forever. (Oh, and also because ultimately, doing good work is fun and rewarding for its own sake)

delta720

PaulieBoy wrote: »

Bring back college fees and prevent the thickos from going in the first place and wasting my ( taxpayers) money.

Could you please explain to me the link between having enough money to pay fee's to attend college and how well you do in your course!?

I would have thought fee's would reduce the points in the Dublin uni's as people from the country (yes there are people outside of Dublin) would be forced to go to local IT's, as living in Dublin coupled with fee's would be far too much.

We would then see Trinity just full of rich 'thickos'...like the arts block taking over the whole college...

regards Delta (not well off, but yet to fail an exam!)

Liquorice

delta720 wrote: »

Could you please explain to me the link between having enough money to pay fee's to attend college and how well you do in your course!?

I would have thought fee's would reduce the points in the Dublin uni's as people from the country (yes there are people outside of Dublin) would be forced to go to local IT's, as living in Dublin coupled with fee's would be far too much.

We would then see Trinity just full of rich 'thickos'...like the arts block taking over the whole college...

regards Delta (not well off, but yet to fail an exam!)

I get the feeling that PaulieBoy means that if college comes with a price tag, only people who are willing to be committed to their course will pay for it, or that if people have a graduate loan to pay off at the end, they'll work hard and not fail exams or put themselves on the brink of dropping out. At the same time, though, going to college has become the norm so anyone with parents who can afford it, committed or no, will come to college and there will be the same mix of hard workers and lazy sods.

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

delta720 wrote: »

Could you please explain to me the link between having enough money to pay fee's to attend college and how well you do in your course!?

I would have thought fee's would reduce the points in the Dublin uni's as people from the country (yes there are people outside of Dublin) would be forced to go to local IT's, as living in Dublin coupled with fee's would be far too much.

We would then see Trinity just full of rich 'thickos'...like the arts block taking over the whole college...

regards Delta (not well off, but yet to fail an exam!)

There are plenty of people who are fairly flippant about college and don't really try to do well. I'm sure a lot of them will take the finger out if there's a much higher financial burden associated with going to go college in the first place. Why pay several thousand for something and just come out with a **** degree?

You ever notice that mature students are often the most studious? That's because they're paying the most to be here, and are genuinely interested in the subject.

Wouldn't do any harm if people who couldn't otherwise afford college had to do a year or two of work first before they could attend either...if it's unfair that rich people wouldn't have to, I'd say in an ideal world it would be better if they had to, rather than the poorer not.

Also, why are these people in the Arts Block suddenly thickos? because they're interested in the Arts and Humanities? Or (if I know the sort you refer to) because you don't like the way they dress? You sound like one of those guys who'll lambast someone for spending €200 in Urban Outfitters and won't see the hypocrisy in spending a few grand on a projector or a computer.

JC 2K3

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of keeping free fees, but doubling the amount to be paid for a repeat year.

I also wouldn't be opposed to raising the pass grade to 50%.

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

JC 2K3 wrote: »

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of keeping free fees, but doubling the amount to be paid for a repeat year.

I also wouldn't be opposed to raising the pass grade to 50%.

Absolutely yes!

What I think would be really cool would be a system where the amount you had to pay would be inversely proportional to how well you did in college, so the guys who come out top of the class get pretty much all their fees paid for them, while the lazy guys have to pay a lot more.

Imagine that as a motivator to do well in college? Now I bet there's a system that will produce great graduates.

JC 2K3

Yeah.

I somehow doubt the SU would be too supportive of something like that, however...

Thirdfox

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote: »

Absolutely yes!

What I think would be really cool would be a system where the amount you had to pay would be inversely proportional to how well you did in college, so the guys who come out top of the class get pretty much all their fees paid for them, while the lazy guys have to pay a lot more.

Imagine that as a motivator to do well in college? Now I bet there's a system that will produce great graduates.

Lol like schols? Only on a laddered scale...

tolosenc

JC 2K3 wrote: »

I somehow doubt the SU would be too supportive of something like that, however...

Nope.

They resolved to fight fees "in any form", which presumably includes your suggestion, and also, any hypothetical suggestion which would be agreeable to all on all grounds.

Silly really, but what do we expect...

Liquorice

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI wrote: »

What I think would be really cool would be a system where the amount you had to pay would be inversely proportional to how well you did in college, so the guys who come out top of the class get pretty much all their fees paid for them, while the lazy guys have to pay a lot more.

Ah now, as much as I don't like laziness, it's a bit naive to presume that the hardest workers are guaranteed to come out on top. Besides, in a system with college fees, more scholarships will become available (hopefully) so the most motivated students probably get their way paid for them regardless.

The graduate loan thing is supposed to create this sort of motivation - work hard, get a great degree, get a great job, have less problems paying off the loan - but there are so many flaws in that presumption when you factor in the uh, real world, where contacts get you further than grades in some careers and silly stuff like accents can affect how potential employers perceive you.

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

Liquorice wrote: »

Ah now, as much as I don't like laziness, it's a bit naive to presume that the hardest workers are guaranteed to come out on top. Besides, in a system with college fees, more scholarships will become available (hopefully) so the most motivated students probably get their way paid for them regardless.

Yeah, I would definitely concede that, one of the smartest and hardest working guys in my year graduated with a grade far less than what he deserved, and I know some fairly lazy people who got Firsts too.