Transfer News

SpencerJames

Anybody any idea who Leinster are lineing up to replace Rocky?? or if they even plan to with O Brien rising fast.

Also munster surely have to make some big signings?

Any news

chupacabra

SpencerJames wrote: »

Anybody any idea who Leinster are lineing up to replace Rocky?? or if they even plan to with O Brien rising fast.

Also munster surely have to make some big signings?

Any news

Jean De Villiers not big enough? Id Munster are done signing players for the coming season.

Size=everything

SpencerJames wrote: »

Anybody any idea who Leinster are lineing up to replace Rocky?? or if they even plan to with O Brien rising fast.

Also munster surely have to make some big signings?

Any news

Leinster are not replacing Rocky and are putting some trust in a young Irish talent Sean O'Brien its a risk but its a risk I am happy with as it means Leinster are doing their bit for Irish rugby which must be commended.

I reckon after importing JDV Munster won't be making any more big signings to be honest.

[Jackass]

Leinster have signed a guy called Nagwin on trial. He's a rugby league convert and plays wing or full back I think.

This signing literally beggers belief. I would like to ask Cheika what the fu*k he thinks he's doing letting Felix Jones walk out the door and then signing a rugby league convert on a trial in the same positions, whilst giving massive benefit to nearest rivals in the process....

EVEN STILL with Jones gone...this is the last area of the squad we need any improvement...I think with all the foreign signings elsewhere, IRFU just said fu*k it, take on some low profile shmuck if you want...we were only messing about the NIQ rule anyway...

Heres some youtube:

Stev_o

So very tempting to bring up some posters post when discussing another provinces NIQ player with this latest news.....

Anyone looks the part id size wise he looks like a David Lemi sort of winger. Possibly he even try him at OH.

[Jackass]

[Jackass] wrote: »

Leinster have signed a guy called Nagwin on trial. He's a rugby league convert and plays wing or full back I think.

This signing literally beggers belief. I would like to ask Cheika what the fu*k he thinks he's doing letting Felix Jones walk out the door

He didnt,I was in the pub last week and got chatting to someone in the know.

He signed behing Cheikas back even though he was told he woud be involved and Cheika flipped when he heard and threw him out of training.

chupacabra

Danica Substantial Frown wrote: »

He didnt,I was in the pub last week and got chatting to someone in the know.

He signed behing Cheikas back even though he was told he woud be involved and Cheika flipped when he heard and threw him out of training.

If thats true, then Jones is a bit silly. He would have hardly been first choice for Leinster but he wont be first choice for Munster either, who knows he could even end up on the Munster A squad with Warwick and Earls covering full back.

He should have stayed and learned a bit from the senior guys. Still tho, im glad he didnt.

Size=everything

Stev_o wrote: »

So very tempting to bring up some posters post when discussing another provinces NIQ player with this latest news.....

Anyone looks the part id size wise he looks like a David Lemi sort of winger. Possibly he even try him at OH.

Is that in reference to me? I already stated I don't like too many NIQ players in any team, provinces don't come into it so try not to turn this into a leinster v munster debate. Besides this player could be eligible to play for Ireland in a few years but lets not get ahead of ourselves hes still only on trial for Leinster. I think its reasonable Leinster bring him in considering Munster signed Felix Jones behind our back. Right now Leinster have produced 3 of the best young back 3 players in Irish rugby with Kearney, Fitzgerald and Felix Jones our youth system is excellent but not good enough to churn out players of that quality every year!

Nukem

Danica Substantial Frown wrote: »

He didnt,I was in the pub last week and got chatting to someone in the know.

He signed behing Cheikas back even though he was told he woud be involved and Cheika flipped when he heard and threw him out of training.

Ya that sounds bout right - Cheika says you'll be involved and end up getting to play a few ML games. He hasn't been exactly fair to a few people now has he?

chupacabra

Size=everything wrote: »

I think its reasonable Leinster bring him in

Such a Hypocrite.

Size=everything

chupacabra wrote: »

If thats true, then Jones is a bit silly. He would have hardly been first choice for Leinster but he wont be first choice for Munster either, who knows he could even end up on the Munster A squad with Warwick and Earls covering full back.

Well I am pretty sure he signed with Munster before they decided to import JDV and was hoping Earls would go 13, Warwick at 15 and a winger spot open.

Its a shame the signing of JDV has

(1) Prevented Earls from getting valuable game time at centre

(2) Moved Felix Jones to the bench

I am sure Felix Jones feels a bit like he was ****ed over right now it was a bit of an unnecessary signing in the sense that Earls could easily become a world class 13 if given some time. Leinster are taking a risk in leaving Sean O'Brien as 6 but I believe its the right thing to do and think Munster should of had more faith in Earls' ability at 13.

I really hope with Jones we don't see a Lewis type situation develop

madds

[Jackass] wrote: »

Heres some youtube:

Nagwin could work on his stepping couldn't he? Real bouncy sort of action there.

Nukem

Nukem wrote: »

Ya that sounds bout right - Cheika says you'll be involved and end up getting to play a few ML games. He hasn't been exactly fair to a few people now has he?

What?

The crux of what I was told was that they wanted him to sign a new contract and he igned with Munster,Cheika was furious.

Size=everything

chupacabra wrote: »

Such a Hypocrite.

How so? Could you tell me who Leinster have to step in for back up at wing after Felix Jones was taken? Cheika as stated tried to keep him. Its unfortunate that Jones was stolen as Leinster would not of needed to bring in a NIQ player but thats the way it went. Very different from bringing in NIQ players for positions you aren't stuck in to the detriment of Irish born players who are good enough to step in

Hyperbullet

Size=everything wrote: »

How so? Could you tell me who Leinster have to step in for back up at wing after Felix Jones was taken? Cheika as stated tried to keep him. Its unfortunate that Jones was stolen as Leinster would not of needed to bring in a NIQ player but thats the way it went. Very different from bringing in NIQ players for positions you aren't stuck in to the detriment of Irish born players who are good enough to step in

Upon what facts do you assume he was stolen because thats a bold statement to make mate....

danthefan

Size=everything wrote: »

How so? Could you tell me who Leinster have to step in for back up at wing after Felix Jones was taken? Cheika as stated tried to keep him. Its unfortunate that Jones was stolen as Leinster would not of needed to bring in a NIQ player but thats the way it went. Very different from bringing in NIQ players for positions you aren't stuck in to the detriment of Irish born players who are good enough to step in

Facepalm.

Size=everything

Hyperbullet wrote: »

Upon what facts do you assume he was stolen because thats a bold statement to make mate....

He didnt,I was in the pub last week and got chatting to someone in the know.

He signed behing Cheikas back even though he was told he woud be involved and Cheika flipped when he heard and threw him out of training.

Leinster didn't let him go and wanted him to stay on and he went and signed behind their back more than likely because he thought Earls would be starting in the centre and he would of have starting spot on the wing.

ScrubsfanChris

danthefan wrote: »

Facepalm.

Size=everything

danthefan wrote: »

Facepalm.

How so? the simple fact is if Munster gave a lad like O'Boyle a chance instead of signing a Leinster youth product then a NIQ player wouldn't of had to come in and we would of had the added benefit of 2 irish young players in O'Boyle and Jones gaining experience

The only saving grace I suppose is this lad could be Irish eligible in a few years though!

danthefan

Size=everything wrote: »

How so? the simple fact is if Munster gave a lad like O'Boyle a chance instead of signing a Leinster youth product then a NIQ player wouldn't of had to come in and we would of had the added benefit of 2 irish young players in O'Boyle and Jones gaining experience

The only saving grace I suppose is this lad could be Irish eligible in a few years though!

Oh for crying out loud. Munster get berated for not giving their youth a chance but Leinster can justify signing another foreign back? What about players like Shane Monahan, it's ok to not give him a chance?

Edit - I'm pretty sure the whole kicked out of training story was nonsense.

Hyperbullet

Size=everything wrote: »

Leinster didn't let him go and wanted him to stay on and he went and signed behind their back more than likely because he thought Earls would be starting in the centre and he would of have starting spot on the wing.

Your reference is to another boards post claiming this? A conversation with someone "in the know"... Come now, use a credible source before making statements like that. Obviously Jones was coming to the end of his contract and signed with another club. No one in the Leinster camp has said he was "stolen" now have they? Enough O/T stuff..

Any signings for Connacht and Ulster this season? Seems they've been very quiet..

Size=everything

Hyperbullet wrote: »

Your reference is to another boards post claiming this? A conversation with someone "in the know"... Come now, use a credible source before making statements like that. Obviously Jones was coming to the end of his contract and signed with another club. No one in the Leinster camp has said he was "stolen" now have they? Enough O/T stuff..

Any signings for Connacht and Ulster this season? Seems they've been very quiet..

I have no reason not to believe Goose's statement nor do you so for now I'll believe it.

Size=everything

danthefan wrote: »

Oh for crying out loud. Munster get berated for not giving their youth a chance but Leinster can justify signing another foreign back? What about players like Shane Monahan, it's ok to not give him a chance?

Edit - I'm pretty sure the whole kicked out of training story was nonsense.

They're moulding Monahan as a centre his natural position. From what I can gather Leinster are hoping for a

12. Monahan
13. McFadden

Partnership in a few years when Darcy-O'Driscoll comes to an end.

Hyperbullet

Size=everything wrote: »

I have no reason not to believe Goose's statement nor do you so for now I'll believe it.

Well I'd rather believe a credible source than a pub conversation. But each to their own.

danthefan

Size=everything wrote: »

They're moulding Monahan as a centre his natural position. From what I can gather Leinster are hoping for a

12. Monahan
13. McFadden

Partnership in a few years when Darcy-O'Driscoll comes to an end.

Gametime > no gametime. Loads and loads of players have started their careers at wing then moved into centre, D'Arcy, JdV, Umaga included.

[Jackass]

ok....2 things to note...firstly, this guy hasn't been offered a contract with Leinster, he's on trial with them and is involved in pre-season training...the only reason anyone knows abuot this is because he was dancing around Leinster pre-season in Wicklow, it hasn;t even been announced.

The second thing is, in my humble opinion....this would be the most unnecessary signing since Nacewa...it's taking the p!ss with for the sake of it signing...

Nacewa ended up playing a good role in Leinsters season, but he was in a backline where you had guys like Horgan, McFadden, Sexton, Jones, Dempsey, O'Malley etc. warming the bench, while players like Fionn Carr and Keatley play the same positions he was used in and let go...and since being signed, Leinster have let go another youth player (and I say "let go" to clarify, is not holding on to the player for whatever reason) and look at a NIQ player...not even a different youth....

I think it's a joke...and I call shenanigans on this whole fandango...there's a lot more to this than meets the eye with IRFU pulling the strings for all four provinces...Leinster were more or less made hand over players to Connacht becasue there was such surplus there and I woulnd't be surprised if this is setting the tone on Leinster player retention policy, as every season there's a number of casualtys...such as Jamie Hagan...one of the most promising 3's in the country is let go to Connacht and Leinster sign Ross instead...what was the point?

Development conspiracy i tells ya!!!! :mad:

danthefan

The point of Ross to Leinster and Hagan to Connacht is they'll both get gametime, in Ireland. Ireland need THs, Ross is ready made and needs to be playing at a high standard from the go. Hagan needs to be eased into professional rugby, if he's good enough he'll be back.

[Jackass]

Yeah but Leinsters player retention and transfer policy seems to be dictated on whats good for Irish rugby...the management, or mismanagement from a Leinster prespective, leads me to belive that Leinster retention of youth players is based soley on the national teams interest...therefore the IRFU are dictating who stays and go's ... they own the contracts... but shouldn't Leinster be able to decide who stays or goes....if a player is top quality, but is behind another top quality player, Leinster don't seem to be able to hold on to them at all as they're shipped off....I dunno...it's a selfish point of view...but it's a Leinster rugby point of view...if any other team was producing all of these players they'd be going mad too if they were being shipped off to every corner of the island!!!

danthefan

Hagan was never going to get gametime at Leinster this season though. It's better off in the long run for him, for the national team, and hopefully in the long term for Leinster.

Hyperbullet

Have Ulster signed anyone??

Crash

danthefan wrote: »

Hagan was never going to get gametime at Leinster this season though. It's better off in the long run for him, for the national team, and hopefully in the long term for Leinster.

Quoted because its very much true. Jamie Hagan would have been fighting a losing battle, and staying in the team would've inevitably meant that Cheika would have overplayed Stan and CJ were they fit. Hagans much better off going to Connacht, and Ross is better off coming to Leinster. Everyone gains, no one loses, whats the problem?

Stev_o

Crash wrote: »

Quoted because its very much true. Jamie Hagan would have been fighting a losing battle, and staying in the team would've inevitably meant that Cheika would have overplayed Stan and CJ were they fit. Hagans much better off going to Connacht, and Ross is better off coming to Leinster. Everyone gains, no one loses, whats the problem?

I guess the only problem would be imo is that Ross doesn't get the amount of game time he did with Quins. Mean whats the point of bringing him back if he's going to be playing second fiddle and getting little HC time when he'd be 1st on the Quins teamsheet. Hopefully though that's not the case and he'll soon become a starter.

danthefan

Stev_o wrote: »

I guess the only problem would be imo is that Ross doesn't get the amount of game time he did with Quins. Mean whats the point of bringing him back if he's going to be playing second fiddle and getting little HC time when he'd be 1st on the Quins teamsheet. Hopefully though that's not the case and he'll soon become a starter.

He has the opportunity, it's now up to him to prove he's good enough.

Jello

We do have a lot of stong props this season

CJ
Healy
Ross
Wright

Hopefully all will get decent game time but I can't really see that happening.

Amazotheamazing

Hopefully Madigan and David Kearney will move to Ulster, neither are in Leinster's plans and both could make the Ulster team within a few months, imo.

SpencerJames

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Hopefully Madigan and David Kearney will move to Ulster, neither are in Leinster's plans and both could make the Ulster team within a few months, imo.

Really? Madigan not up to it from what Ive heard. to say both would make the Ulster team in a few months is horibly arrogant and ignorant in my opinion. It takes alot more than being a decent schools player and good U20's player to be starting HC matches.

Basically its not that easy

[Jackass]

Stev_o wrote: »

So very tempting to bring up some posters post when discussing another provinces NIQ player with this latest news.....

Anyone looks the part id size wise he looks like a David Lemi sort of winger. Possibly he even try him at OH.

Think that's directed at me for my reaction to Munster signing a prop...not unlike my reaction to Leinster signing another player, except when it's my own team it's just an opinion, when it's someone elses team it's provincial BS that should be used when something simular happens with my team...regardless of if I condem it to the same extent?

Either that, or he's just made us all paranoid

Hyperbullet

Hyperbullet wrote: »

Well I'd rather believe a credible source than a pub conversation. But each to their own.

Il give you a hint,he is on RTE on rugby programs.

I have no reason to lie,we discussed the Leinster youth team and he said,did you know that Chekia threw Jones out of training when he heard about the Munster thing.

I said I heard that but thought it was bull****,he confirmed it was true.

If its anything to Munster fans Jones remains a huge Leinster fan and I would be fairly confident he will come home in a few years.

Amazotheamazing

SpencerJames wrote: »

Really? Madigan not up to it from what Ive heard. to say both would make the Ulster team in a few months is horibly arrogant and ignorant in my opinion. It takes alot more than being a decent schools player and good U20's player to be starting HC matches.

Basically its not that easy

Well, look who's ahead of them in Ulster.

At fullback Ulster have Schiftoscke and Cunningham, both limited, aging players, at outhalf they have Niall O'Connor and Humphreys. NOC is struggling to step up and Humphreys can't tackle at an AIL level.

However, if they stay in Leinster, at best they'll get is games in the A league. They'll start to fall behind players at other provinces.

[Jackass]

Danica Substantial Frown wrote: »

Il give you a hint,he is on RTE on rugby programs.

I have no reason to lie,we discussed the Leinster youth team and he said,did you know that Chekia threw Jones out of training when he heard about the Munster thing.

I said I heard that but thought it was bull****,he confirmed it was true.

If its anything to Munster fans Jones remains a huge Leinster fan and I would be fairly confident he will come home in a few years.

It was a rumour that went around alright, but I'd question the validity of it...after all, I doubt these discussions take place on the training field.....

There's always rumours about Cheika falling out with players...Himself and Hickie were supposedly on bad terms, as with Sexton (Sextons was a hissy fit that got blown out of proportion)...I think there was rumours of bad terms with Keatley also...burnt his bridges and went to Connacht etc...

I think you have to take 99% of this with a pinch of salt.

Same with the rumours that Kidney didn't get on with any of the Leinster players....no matter who's at the helm in Leinster, these rumours will always circulate to try and ruffle a few feathers and cause a bit of disruption.

ALH-06

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Hopefully Madigan and David Kearney will move to Ulster, neither are in Leinster's plans and both could make the Ulster team within a few months, imo.

Here there's no point getting rid of ALL our future talent, even if we do have a good few quality back three players at the moment.

SpencerJames wrote: »

Really? Madigan not up to it from what Ive heard.

You mean he's not good enough for the next level? I thought he was pretty impressive in the u20 WC, and he was playing with players with full Leinster caps (ok, maybe only one - McKinley...).

I've hoped that Madigan might be a good prospect at OH. He played at both 10 & 15 at SCT level... Having said that, I don't really know how he's getting on these days / which position they're planning on developing him. Anyone?

ALH-06

[Jackass] wrote: »

I think you have to take 99% of this with a pinch of salt.

+1. Of course you do...

RWC 07 anyone???

razorblunt

Size=everything wrote: »

I am sure Felix Jones feels a bit like he was ****ed over right now it was a bit of an unnecessary signing in the sense that Earls could easily become a world class 13 if given some time. Leinster are taking a risk in leaving Sean O'Brien as 6 but I believe its the right thing to do and think Munster should of had more faith in Earls' ability at 13.

I really hope with Jones we don't see a Lewis type situation develop

And you know him personally to say this?

I'm pretty sure he doesnt feel like that.

Size=everything

razorblunt wrote: »

And you know him personally to say this?

I'm pretty sure he doesnt feel like that.

Do I know him personally? No though my brother is on very good terms with him and he was going to Munster with the intention of starting games.

spoon

Size=everything wrote: »

Do I know him personally? No though my brother is on very good terms with him and he was going to Munster with the intention of starting games.

I guarantee he will start quite a number of games for Munster if he's good enough. At present our two first choice full backs are an outhalf and a center. Neither of which would consider themselves a natural fullback. The only out and out fullback we have is Hurley.

razorblunt

Size=everything wrote: »

Do I know him personally? No though my brother is on very good terms with him and he was going to Munster with the intention of starting games.

Well I presume he knew he wasn't going to walk onto the team and would have to prove himself to get a start, the same with staying at Leinster in all fairness.