Woman facing 40 lashes for wearing trousers

gurramok

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0729/sudan.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8173714.stm

A Sudanese woman facing 40 lashes for wearing trousers in public made her first appearance in a court today.

Lubna Hussein, a former journalist who works for the UN, attended the hearing wearing the same green slacks that got her arrested for immodest dress.

Indecency cases are not uncommon in Sudan.

Hussein was ready to face the maximum penalty for the criminal offence of wearing indecent dress in public which was 40 lashes and an unlimited fine.

Crazy place!!

When did 'god' say to those in Sudan that women must not wear trousers?

SV

Bloody muppets.

Does anyone else not see the coincidence that all of these countries with their radical laws follow the same religion.. Odd that.

seanybiker

cheeky bitch. 100 lashes at least.

rororoyourboat

That poor woman. It's shocking that this still exists in 2009.

You'd really take for granted the liberties we have here. Right now, I'm wearing red skinny jeans which wouldn't go down to well there! I'd hate to think what would happen to someone who wore the same in Sudan.

Wasn't there uproar in Sudan a few years back when a teacher named a teddy Mohammed?

El Guapo!

Pfft...green trousers are soooo last year :rolleyes:

My name is URL

They have different laws and customs in different places

I'd be more pissed off with how the meedja over here make a big deal about it.

There's far more important things happening closer to home

aDeener

rororoyourboat wrote: »

That poor woman. It's shocking that this still exists in 2009.

agree completely, id be of the seanybiker persuasion in that it should have been at least 100 :pac:

TheZohanS

Hmmmm.....

Biggins

www.unitedpeople.ie ----> Model Gets Caning For Beer!

Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, 32, pleaded guilty to consuming alcohol at a hotel nightclub in the eastern state of Pahang last year, the New Straits Times newspaper reported.

"We feel the sentence is fair after going through the prosecution's argument and since the rotan (cane) is provided for in the law," Pahang Sharia High Court judge Abdul Rahman Yunus said, according to the paper.
"The rotan is aimed at making the accused repent and serves as a lesson to Muslims," he added, also fining Kartika 5000 ringgit ($1730).

The model, who cried when the judgement was delivered, said she would appeal.
State religious officials could not be reached for comment on the case.
Malaysia, which has large Indian and Chinese minorities freely enjoying alcohol, has a two-track legal system. Civil courts operate alongside state-based sharia courts, which can try Muslims for religious offences.

SoWatchaWant

They'll be wanting the vote next.:rolleyes:

bronte

Typical Islamic shite. :rolleyes:

Pop's Diner

<insert typical judge the rest of the world by my own western values response>

ottostreet

Pop's Diner wrote: »

<insert typical judge the rest of the world by my own western values response>

true, but at the same time, their ideas of morals and equality are......backward, to put it mildly.

GLaDOS

Pop's Diner wrote: »

<insert typical judge the rest of the world by my own western values response>

But we're right.

Raze_them_all

I'd give her a lash





(cant beleive I was the first to say that)

Biggins

I expect the UN might have something to say about how their staff is treated - and if they don't, they could be shown up as useless ineffective farts that some might see them as!

ihadu

rororoyourboat wrote: »

That poor woman. It's shocking that this still exists in 2009.

You'd really take for granted the liberties we have here. Right now, I'm wearing red skinny jeans which wouldn't go down to well there! I'd hate to think what would happen to someone who wore the same in Sudan.

Wasn't there uproar in Sudan a few years back when a teacher named a teddy Mohammed?

i don't think so, she knew the rules.

stovelid

That's awful.

As a woman, you'd think they'd cut her some slacks.

PrivateEye

LOL at the Western Values stuff. Yeah you're right, its their right to stone women to death/ hang homosexuals/ physically abuse people who have a pint or wear trousers.

Sure, it's a cultural thing, and we wouldn't understand.

bigeasyeah

stovelid wrote: »

That's awful.

As a woman, you'd think they'd cut her some slacks.

Oh dear!

Seriously though that poor woman.Stuff like this annoys me to the point of frustration.Womenhood is sacred to me and to know its being abused,I need to calm down.

jumpguy

I never knew the fashion police actually existed!

Biggins

jumpguy wrote: »

I never knew the fashion police actually existed!

Not "fashion" - its the "lash-on" police! :P

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Maybe they're 'leg' men.:p

Micky Dolenz

PrivateEye wrote: »

LOL at the Western Values stuff. Yeah you're right, its their right to stone women to death/ hang homosexuals/ physically abuse people who have a pint or wear trousers.

Sure, it's a cultural thing, and we wouldn't understand.

At the same time you probably know very little else about their culture. Who are we to judge others? If you walk in another persons land you follow their rules...simple as that really.

ottostreet

this is actually something that annoys me no end...i went out with a muslim girl from malaysia for about a year, and it was the most volatile year of my life. what i found strangest was the rationality, intelligence and clear-headedness to be training in neurosurgery and medicine, and yet believe that dogs contain evil spirits, that possession can exist, but only in muslim countries, and that kissing during daylight hours during ramadan is forbidden. when i asked what was allahs take on stuff like curtains, solar eclipses, or blindness possibly being clauses to this rule, i got a slap.

stainluss

What do you expect in that backwards sh1te part of the world...:mad:

She can live anywhere she wants (she works with the UN)

Why live there?

stovelid

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

If you walk in another persons land you follow their rules...simple as that really.

You follow the rules to avoid the consequences.

Not because of any respect afforded to those rules.

Dacelonid

rororoyourboat wrote: »

Right now, I'm wearing red skinny jeans which wouldn't go down to well there!

They don't go down too well over here either

In all fairness though, however draconian we think their laws are, she knowingly broke the law and deserves to be punished.

stainluss

stovelid wrote: »

You follow the rules to avoid the consequences.

Not because of any respect afforded to those rules.

True.

I dont care what religion they use as a scapegoat, its a sexist part of the world:cool:

Micky Dolenz

stovelid wrote: »

You follow the rules to avoid the consequences.

Not because of any respect afforded to those rules.

absulouty, Was in Thailand for a stay and wouldn't dream of taking the piss out of their King, I don't respect that but I don't want to get locked up.

SV

Pop's Diner wrote: »

<insert typical judge the rest of the world by my own western values response>

lol, are you serious?

Here's an idea.. If a woman is raped and she's not married to the guy then we should punish her instead of the guy! It doesn't really make sense but feck it! That's the way we do things.




....... Yeah.
When people try to put across this "Oh you just don't understand their culture" attitude it pisses me off. I understand it alright, doesn't make it any less retarded.

Biggins

What it boils down to for me is:

If I was in their country, I would follow their rules till got out of it as quick as possible.

But they do have stupid, outdated rules, that shows themselves up clearly to be just plain irrational and by consequence of their rules, equally un-moralistic in the application of common sense.
Saying their Koran or whatever justifies treating females like some animal from the dark age of outdated rules is just passing the buck for their backwardness and wanting to keep females un-equal and treated disgracefully.

No stupid Islamic Koran, Catholic bible or religious book written hundreds of years ago covers or excuses the masses of crazy actions of humans.
Nuff' said!

Micky Dolenz

SV wrote: »

....... Yeah.
When people try to put across this "Oh you just don't understand their culture" attitude it pisses me off. I understand it alright, doesn't make it any less retarded.

do you know what really pisses me off? People who use the word retards or retarded. Shows a deep disrespect for our culture.

Go out, travel, see the other side of the world and then tell us what "retarded" is.

Nevyn

Sudan, female masochist holiday destination of choice.

SV

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

do you know what really pisses me off? People who use the word retards or retarded. Shows a deep disrespect for our culture.

Go out, travel, see the other side of the world and then tell us what "retarded" is.

Retard is exclusive to Ireland now? How odd. Otherwise, how is it disrespectful to "our" culture, or are you muslim?
You assume I've never seen anywhere else in the world? Or travelled anywhere else?

ejmaztec

stovelid wrote: »

That's awful.

As a woman, you'd think they'd cut her some slacks.

I thanked that even though it's complete pants.

bronte

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

do you know what really pisses me off? People who use the word retards or retarded. Shows a deep disrespect for our culture.

Go out, travel, see the other side of the world and then tell us what "retarded" is.

Know what pisses me off?
Women being punished for wearing trousers.
:rolleyes:

ejmaztec

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Go out, travel, see the other side of the world and then tell us what "retarded" is.

It'd be a lot cheaper and easier to have a look in a dictionary.:p

carlybabe1

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

At the same time you probably know very little else about their culture. Who are we to judge others? If you walk in another persons land you follow their rules...simple as that really.

Well yes, id agree, if thier culture and rules weren't barbaric at best, ands motivated to "keep women ïn thier place". Realitically, if this as one aspect of society doing this kind of **** to another there'd be uproar. (By that I mean dubs doin it to kildare people)

ottostreet

Retardation is the act or result of delaying; the extent to which anything is retarded or delayed; that which retards or delays. - Wikipedia


yeah!!!


seriously though, I think what SV is clumsily trying to say, is that just because one culture thinks something is right, doesnt mean it IS. myself and my ex had a sexual relationship, for which she told me she would be ostracized from her community, her family and could be brutally punished according to sharia law. these laws would not apply to her brother, if he was to engage in a similar relationship with a western girl in ireland!

My name is URL

SV wrote: »

....... Yeah.
When people try to put across this "Oh you just don't understand their culture" attitude it pisses me off. I understand it alright, doesn't make it any less retarded.

Fcuk their culture tbh

Why should we lose any sleep over the regime they choose to live under?

Maybe we should liberate them.. do they have oil?

Micky Dolenz

SV wrote: »

Retard is exclusive to Ireland now? How odd. Otherwise, how is it disrespectful to "our" culture, or are you muslim?
You assume I've never seen anywhere else in the world? Or travelled anywhere else?

Our Culture is of a Western "Free" world type. Retard, as slang is American, not a word I would use in converstaion so would avoid it here also.I find it disrespectful to people with geniune disabilities.

yes I would assume that.

I think many countries laws are daft as sh1te, but still I will follow them because they are their laws and I am a visitor in their country.

Wertz

Dacelonid wrote: »

In all fairness though, however draconian we think their laws are, she knowingly broke the law and deserves to be punished.

It could be said that perhaps she knowingly broke the law, and used her position as a western journalist of sorts, to highlight just how much of an anachronistic law it is and to try and highlight the ongoing plight of muslim women to be treated in more humane and equal manner.

Or maybe she's just a fashion victim...

Dudess

My name is URL wrote: »

They have different laws and customs in different places

I know. What about those Taliban eh? Bunch of scoundrels. :rolleyes:

I'd be more pissed off with how the meedja over here make a big deal about it.

It doesn't take much to piss you off so.

There's far more important things happening closer to home

Just because it's not happening close to home doesn't make it of little importance. It's a serious human rights abuse so that would make it pretty damn important.

carlybabe1

Dacelonid wrote: »

They don't go down too well over here either

In all fairness though, however draconian we think their laws are, she knowingly broke the law and deserves to be punished.

Yes of course, because women dont have the right to dress as they please over there, of course she deserves to be punished :rolleyes:

Dudess

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Retard, as slang is American, not a word I would use in converstaion so would avoid it here also.I find it disrespectful to people with geniune disabilities.

I think though, "retarded" is becoming less and less associated with disabled people now, and more just a way of defining "stupid in the extreme".

ihadu

My name is URL wrote: »

Fcuk their culture tbh

Why should we lose any sleep over the regime they choose to live under?

Maybe we should liberate them.. do they have oil?

absolutely agree. her mother chose to have her, she'll probably choose to have kids and bring them into the ****hole of a land. its their own fault for living

AckwelFoley

Dudess wrote: »

I think though, "retarded" is becoming less and less associated with disabled people now, and more just a way of defining "stupid in the extreme".

Tell that to this woman

rantyface

Pop's Diner wrote: »

<insert typical judge the rest of the world by my own western values response>

Human rights transcend culture, traditions and laws.

Activists in other countries are delighted when they receive international support. I met a woman from Woza, and she was especially touched that people all the way in Ireland, who she had never met, were thinking of her and writing letters to her telling her she was brave.

It can make a big difference when a country knows the world is watching. Often a powerful minority oppress a majority who don't feel like civil war, or are just completely helpless. They don't always choose to live in regimes like that. Most countries are not real democracies. Our disapproval is right.

Micky Dolenz

Dudess wrote: »

I think though, "retarded" is becoming less and less associated with disabled people now, and more just a way of defining "stupid in the extreme".

Maybe so, the word really grates me though. I feel the person who says it is "stupid in the extreme"

I hope the Lady gets off, it is ultra harsh. I do, however try to respect, even if I don't understand a different lands way of doing stuff.

ihadu

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Maybe so, the word really grates me though. I feel the person who says it is "stupid in the extreme"

I hope the Lady gets off, it is ultra harsh. I do, however try to respect, even if I don't understand a different lands way of doing stuff.

oops