BGRH Investigates - younger women

Tom Dunne

No, not in that sense.

In the sense of, say, a middle-aged man romantically involved with a woman in her 20's.

We have all seen them, the slick, 40-something, tanned, open-shirt wearing smoothie who seems to thrive on the attention of the 20-something wimmins. A man, who really should be buying a Volkswagen Passat and is instead eyeing up a Toyota Celica.

So what's it all about? Is it a case of a dirty old man, desperately trying to prove he is still jiggy with the Young People? A man who is living in a delusion of youth, refusing to accept that the hair growing out if his ears is a sign he really should slow down, perhaps?

And what of her? Is it the Electra complex (Google it, kids)? Is she struggling with Father Figure issues? Or is she looking for a Suggar-Daddy who will shower with money and gifts, among other things? Ahem.

petes

Mid life crisis on the mans part tbh.

ChewChew

Tom Dunne, Finally accepting he is old, balding and no longer appealing to the young'uns. With exception to his fabulous missus.

Bless you Tom Dunne. Bless you indeed.

Tom Dunne

Insurgent wrote: »

Mid life crisis on the mans part tbh.

But I put it to you that such a man is not in fact entering a mid-life crisis, but is a man to be admired.

Let's face it, if you were in your early 40's, would you like to be engaging in intimate relations with a woman in her 20's?

Jesus Wept

Each to their own.

P.C.

Tom, you are just jelouse that myself, and certain other men can still attract the attention of younger wimmins.

We might not be able to hold it for very long but we still have our mojo.

Tom Dunne

P.C. wrote: »

Tom, you are just jelouse that myself, and certain other men can still attract the attention of younger wimmins.

We might not be able to hold it for very long but we still have our mojo.

And tell me something, PC, are you suggesting that a virile, handsome, charismatic, 30-something man couldn't attract the younger ladies?

ntlbell

a lot of younger wimmins are stupid and are easily impressed.(if i get infraction for this there'll be hell to pay)

the want for a perky pair of baps

unwillingness to accept one's own age.

being far more experienced in the sack

proving to himself and the lads he's still "got it"

not having to have mundane adult conversations about the price of paint in b&q

I haven't worked out the female aspect yet.

Tom Dunne

ntlbell wrote: »

a lot of younger wimmins are stupid and are easily impressed.(if i get infraction for this there'll be hell to pay)

Hell to pay? It's the truth, dammit.*

ntlbell wrote: »

the want for a perky pair of baps

Don't we all?

ntlbell wrote: »

unwillingness to accept one's own age.

Never happened me.

ntlbell wrote: »

being far more experienced in the sack

Check.

ntlbell wrote: »

proving to himself and the lads he's still "got it"

I don't need to prove anything. Not since the Swedish twins and their mother episode in Trabolgan in the Summer of '93.

ntlbell wrote: »

not having to have mundane adult conversations about the price of paint in b&q

I wouldn't even know where B&Q is.

ntlbell wrote: »

I haven't worked out the female aspect yet.

PM sent.








*just kidding

ntlbell

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Don't we all?

absolutely, but when you been lifting them up off their knee's for a few years it increases 10 fold.

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Never happened me.

So is this about you? or the open shirt hairy chested smoothies?

Tom Dunne wrote: »

I don't need to prove anything. Not since the Swedish twins and their mother episode in Trabolgan in the Summer of '93.

I have a similar story involving toblerones

talk about round pegs into square holds..

oh wait...

Zaph

Tom Dunne wrote: »

But I put it to you that such a man is not in fact entering a mid-life crisis, but is a man to be admired.

Let's face it, if you were in your early 40's, would you like to be engaging in intimate relations with a woman in her 20's?

Brother Tom, I think you'll find that a man in such a relationship is not in fact entering a mid-life crisis, but is in fact deferring one. A relationship with a younger woman has the effect of rejuvenating an older man, making him feel younger than his actual years. So if a mid-life crisis kicks in at 40, it suggests that a man will live to 80. However, such a relationship will make him feel like he's 30, which means that mid-life crisis has been averted for another 10 years when he feels like he's 40, but is in fact 50, which suggests a life span of 100. Of course this is all conjecture and it is entirely possible that the younger woman, being fitter and more energetic, may induce a heart attack in the older man, thereby drastically cutting short the lifespan. However, it is the way every Brother wishes to go, with a smile on his face, and the young lady becomes the beneficiary of the deceased's estate, so everyone's a winner. I think.

P.C.

Tom Dunne wrote: »

And tell me something, PC, are you suggesting that a virile, handsome, charismatic, 30-something man couldn't attract the younger ladies?

But, I just told you that I can, and do.

Tom Dunne

Zaph wrote: »

Brother Tom, I think you'll find that a man in such a relationship is not in fact entering a mid-life crisis, but is in fact deferring one. A relationship with a younger woman has the effect of rejuvenating an older man, making him feel younger than his actual years. So if a mid-life crisis kicks in at 40, it suggests that a man will live to 80. However, such a relationship will make him feel like he's 30, which means that mid-life crisis has been averted for another 10 years when he feels like he's 40, but is in fact 50, which suggests a life span of 100. Of course this is all conjecture and it is entirely possible that the younger woman, being fitter and more energetic, may induce a heart attack in the older man, thereby drastically cutting short the lifespan. However, it is the way every Brother wishes to go, with a smile on his face, and the young lady becomes the beneficiary of the deceased's estate, so everyone's a winner. I think.

But, Brother Zaph, I put it to you that there is something abnormal about such a relationship.

Physical aspects and little blue pills aside, surely a man of a certain age will have little in common with a woman of that age? Surely he won't be able to converse about Lady GaGa and Balmain Studded Sandals? And I would wager that she wouldn't not know the finer aspects of Makers Mark and the merits of the Bosman Ruling.

Toto Wolfcastle

I think that a lot of middle-aged men who are romantically involved with wimmins in their 20s may well be going through a mid-life crisis.

Or, looking at it a different way, wimmins in their 20s who are romantically involved with middle-aged men may well be going through a quarter-life crisis.

For me, as a wimmin in her early 20s, if I were to date a middle-aged man it would be out of pity more than anything else. It certainly wouldn't be anything to do with a strong attraction, or, God forbid, love. :eek:

It would be wrong. A middle-aged man would certainly not trawl through the clothes on a website for wimmins in their 20s and tell his wimmins in her 20s which ones are pretty. And a wimmins in her 20s would certainly not learn about the finer points of bourbon and beers for a more discerning palate in order to make sure her middle-aged man got only the best.

Unnatural indeed.

Zaph

Tom Dunne wrote: »

But, Brother Zaph, I put it to you that there is something abnormal about such a relationship.

Physical aspects and little blue pills aside, surely a man of a certain age will have little in common with a woman of that age? Surely he won't be able to converse about Lady GaGa and Balmain Studded Sandals? And I would wager that she wouldn't not know the finer aspects of Makers Mark and the merits of the Bosman Ruling.

Balmain Studded Sandals? Have you been lurking in FAP Brother Tom?

I think it is important to point out that the age of a woman is irrelevant when it comes to discussing the merits of the Bosman Ruling. Similarly, the age of the man doesn't enter into it when there's a discussion about Lady Gaga. Neither subject is meant for the opposite gender, and therefore it doesn't matter about finding a common ground. This logic can be applied to many subjects.

As for little blue pills, oddly enough we had a discussion about this at lunchtime. One of my colleagues pointed out that Valium also comes as little blue tablets, so the only thing one needs to be sure of is that you have your glasses on when you reach for the bottle or the evening could have a completely different outcome to what you expected.

Nerin

Have you been lurking in FAP Brother Tom?

O_o

smashey

It's a warped concept played out by warped older men preying on young nubile hotties.

Ginny

Younger men FTW (but not too young obviously!!)

P.C.

smashey wrote: »

It's a warped concept played out by warped older men preying on young nubile hotties.

Jealouse?

ChewChew

Ginny wrote: »

Younger men FTW (but not too young obviously!!)

Tasteh :pac:

smashey

P.C. wrote: »

Jealouse?

Not at all, I was playing along with the general ethos of BGRH - no serious threads.

Screw that then, I'll be serious for a moment. :pac:

If the couple are happy, then it isn't for anybody else to decide what's right and what's wrong. They are both consenting adults and capable of working things out for themselves. They should go for it and stick two fingers up to the begrudgers.

ChewChew

smashey wrote: »

Not at all, I was playing along with the general ethos of BGRH - no serious threads.

Screw that then, I'll be serious for a moment. :pac:

If the couple are happy, then it isn't for anybody else to decide what's right and what's wrong. They are both consenting adults and capable of working things out for themselves. They should go for it and stick two fingers up to the begrudgers.

G'wan ya soppy old fart :P :P :P

smashey

ChewChew wrote: »

G'wan ya soppy old fart :P :P :P

I think I'll take on the PI gig. :pac:

ChewChew

smashey wrote: »

I think I'll take on the PI gig. :pac:

Nominate yourself to become a new mod over there. . .

oh wait. . . .

:eek: :cool:

Zaph

janeybabe wrote: »

For me, as a wimmin in her early 20s, if I were to date a middle-aged man it would be out of pity more than anything else. It certainly wouldn't be anything to do with a strong attraction, or, God forbid, love. :eek:

Actually, for many middle-aged men, being pitied is highly desirable. It shows that you are still virile enough for a young woman to actually notice you in the first place. After a certain age this is gratifying and may lead to stronger feelings developing afterwards. Or maybe that's just indigestion.

smashey wrote: »

It's a warped concept played out by warped older men preying on young nubile hotties.

Admit it Brother smashey, you were turned down by one of those young nubile hotties, weren't you?

smashey

Zaph wrote: »

Admit it Brother smashey, you were turned down by one of those young nubile hotties, weren't you?

Yes. I didn't have enough money at the time. Bloody stag parties in Amsterdam. :pac::pac::pac:

Toto Wolfcastle

Zaph wrote: »

Actually, for many middle-aged men, being pitied is highly desirable. It shows that you are still virile enough for a young woman to actually notice you in the first place. After a certain age this is gratifying and may lead to stronger feelings developing afterwards. Or maybe that's just indigestion.

Ok, I will admit it. I took pity on one of these middle-aged men once. And stronger feeling developed. And I don't know what to do? Should I contact my friendly neighbourhood PI mod?

Zaph

janeybabe wrote: »

Ok, I will admit it. I took pity on one of these middle-aged men once. And stronger feeling developed. And I don't know what to do? Should I contact my friendly neighbourhood PI mod?

Well as your friendly neighbourhood PI mod my advice is to go for it. I should admit that I was in a similar position to you, but from the other side. A nubile young hottie took pity on me once. Similarly, stronger feelings developed, to the point that the only way I could be any happier is if she made me a rasher sandwich. Mmmmmm, rashers.....

Toto Wolfcastle

Zaph wrote: »

Well as your friendly neighbourhood PI mod my advice is to go for it. I should admit that I was in a similar position to you, but from the other side. A nubile young hottie took pity on me once. Similarly, stronger feelings developed, to the point that the only way I could be any happier is if she made me a rasher sandwich. Mmmmmm, rashers.....

*puke*

Agent Smith

janeybabe wrote: »

Ok, I will admit it. I took pity on one of these middle-aged men once. And stronger feeling developed. And I don't know what to do? Should I contact my friendly neighbourhood PI mod?

Zaph wrote: »

Well as your friendly neighbourhood PI mod my advice is to go for it. I should admit that I was in a similar position to you, but from the other side. A nubile young hottie took pity on me once. Similarly, stronger feelings developed, to the point that the only way I could be any happier is if she made me a rasher sandwich. Mmmmmm, rashers.....

I think you should go to a doctor, this isnt a medicial forum. :pac:

Nevyn

janeybabe wrote: »

Ok, I will admit it. I took pity on one of these middle-aged men once. And stronger feeling developed. And I don't know what to do? Should I contact my friendly neighbourhood PI mod?

I suggest that you go out on a date with a young man of your own age and that way you can compare and contrast the differences in manner and consideration. That is if you can find one who is not trying to date a 19 year old and will commit to a date which is more then you turning up in the same pub they are in and hanging around until its time to go and only ending up getting a snog on a corner like a teenager cos he still lives at home and you don't feel comfortable enough to invite him back to yours.

sceptre

Thaedydal wrote: »

I suggest that you go out on a date with a young man of your own age and that way you can compare and contrast the differences in manner and consideration. That is if you can find one who is not trying to date a 19 year old and will commit to a date which is more then you turning up in the same pub they are in and hanging around until its time to go and only ending up getting a snog on a corner like a teenager cos he still lives at home and you don't feel comfortable enough to invite him back to yours.

I'd laugh but that's the stereotypical Irish male summed up in a paragraph. Obviously I've never been the stereotypical Irish male which is why I can spot these things.

And last time I dated a 19 year old I wasn't trying to date a 19 year old. Besides, she's almost 22 now.

Seriously, I don't have anything in common with the man half of the initial list and wouldn't go near someone with stuff in common with the woman part of the initial list but it's quite fair to say that there are plenty of silly/stupid easily impressionable people around. Some of them are younger women and plenty of them are older men. Far too many silly people around tbh but that's part of the reason I'm so curmudgeonly.

Tom Dunne

smashey wrote: »

If the couple are happy, then it isn't for anybody else to decide what's right and what's wrong. They are both consenting adults and capable of working things out for themselves. They should go for it and stick two fingers up to the begrudgers.

janeybabe wrote: »

Ok, I will admit it. I took pity on one of these middle-aged men once. And stronger feeling developed. And I don't know what to do? Should I contact my friendly neighbourhood PI mod?

Zaph wrote: »

Well as your friendly neighbourhood PI mod my advice is to go for it. I should admit that I was in a similar position to you, but from the other side. A nubile young hottie took pity on me once. Similarly, stronger feelings developed, to the point that the only way I could be any happier is if she made me a rasher sandwich. Mmmmmm, rashers.....

sceptre wrote: »

Far too many silly people around tbh but that's part of the reason I'm so curmudgeonly.

So, you heard it here first folks:

• Smashey has a soppy side
• Janeybabe takes pity on older men
• Sceptre is curmudgeon
• and Zaph likes rashers to accompany his nubile hotties.

watna

A friend at work is the same age as me (mid twenties) and is with somone in his late forties. He doesn't work, is still married and has 5 kids. His daughter and grandaughter live with them and my colleague pays for everything (rent etc). The daughter's bf then moved in and occasionally pays an electricity bill to help out. Recently, her bf's son got arrested and bailed to their house even though she told his parole officer she was scared of him and didn't want him in the house. She met this guy when she was 19.

Now, it's obvious what he gets out of it, he gets a naive girl he met when she was very young who'll do whatever he tells her but what is she getting out of it?

That kind of situation makes me a whole lot sadder than a guy in an open shirt hitting on twenty year old hotties in short skirts. At least that's not really doing any harm to anyone - unlike this situation

The Recliner

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Physical aspects and little blue pills aside, surely a man of a certain age will have little in common with a woman of that age? Surely he won't be able to converse about Lady GaGa and Balmain Studded Sandals? And I would wager that she wouldn't not know the finer aspects of Makers Mark and the merits of the Bosman Ruling.

Some of us Brothers despite being elderly are still young at heart
(read that as I have the mentality and sense of responsibility of a 5 year old)

So there is no problem relating to a younger woman, also things like the appreciation of fine alcohol and football can be inflicted shared with the younger person thus making them a more well rounded person, it is a very beneficial relationship

Plus I don't go out of my way to find younger wimmin, they just seem to find me

Emme

Ye men defy logic. You get young guys lusting after older women like Miriam O'Callaghan and older guys lusting after girls barely out of their gymslips. When I was in my 20s we steered clear of older guys because 9 times out of 10 they were married, dangling the keys to the Beemer and flashing the (fake) Rolex. It was my friends they wanted. For some funny reason older guys never really looked at me, it was always the younger guys. Discos were a nightmare - in my mid 20s I used to get chatted up by guys who were still at school even though there were plenty of guys there in their 20s. Now I'm pushing 40 guys in their late 20s and early 30s hit on me - hot ones too! According to them I look a lot younger than my chronological age but I think it's the Miriam O'Callaghan thing myself. Meanwhile the men I want, the ones in their late 30s up to early 50s don't know I exist!

My question is, why do the men in their late 30s up go for girls in their 20s rather than a fighting fit and young looking female of their own age? Is it a number thing, do 40 something men meet for pints and say "lads, I pulled this wan last night and she's only 26" rather than "lads, I pulled this wan last night, she's me own age but doesn't look a day over 30".

Are ye afraid of women your own age because we don't take any crap and aren't afraid to ask for what we want?

The blue tablets were invented so you could keep up with women your own age, not chase after younger ones like dogs chasing fancy cars!:D

petes

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Let's face it, if you were in your early 40's, would you like to be engaging in intimate relations with a woman in her 20's?

To be honest, I'm in my late twenties and would like to be engaging in intimate relations with a woman in her twenties!!

Tom Dunne

Emme wrote: »

Ye men defy logic.

Whoa there just one minute. We defy logic? Don't get me started.

Emme wrote: »

Now I'm pushing 40 guys in their late 20s and early 30s hit on me - hot ones too! According to them I look a lot younger than my chronological age but I think it's the Miriam O'Callaghan thing myself.

ORLY? I'll throw in the obligatory, pics or GTFO before somebody else does. Look for the "Know your barflies" thread right here in BGRH.

Emme wrote: »

My question is, why do the men in their late 30s up go for girls in their 20s rather than a fighting fit and young looking female of their own age? Is it a number thing, do 40 something men meet for pints and say "lads, I pulled this wan last night and she's only 26" rather than "lads, I pulled this wan last night, she's me own age but doesn't look a day over 30".

Are ye afraid of women your own age because we don't take any crap and aren't afraid to ask for what we want?

Well this really is the crux of the matter, isn't it? These are the questions that demand to be answered, and what better place to find those answers than right here on BGRH? Enlightened debate is what we do best.

Emme wrote: »

The blue tablets were invented so you could keep up with women your own age, not chase after younger ones like dogs chasing fancy cars!:D

Ouch, low blow. Poor Zaph.

Toto Wolfcastle

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Ouch, low blow. Poor Zaph.

Thomas Dunne! I am shocked and appalled!

I think middle-aged men are getting a terribly bad name in this thread.

Let's take a real-life example.

Tom Dunne is a middle-aged man. (:D)

He has it all: the beer-gut, the receding hairline, a younger wimmins.

Does the fact that his wimmins is not middle-aged like he is cause any problems?

No, of course it doesn't.

The fact that middle-aged Tom Dunne acts too much like a young person causes more problems.

In closing, I have proven that....well that Tom Dunne is a child in a middle-aged man's body.

Tom Dunne

janeybabe wrote: »

Thomas Dunne! I am shocked and appalled!

My work is done here.

janeybabe wrote: »

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<incessant drivel about something>
....
In closing, I have proven that....well that Tom Dunne is a child in a middle-aged man's body.

And you are only finding this out now? Methinks that for some reason you have lost focus on your ability to determine the difference between a middle-aged man and a man of younger years. Why could that be, now?

*readies can of petrol for the flames*

Toto Wolfcastle

Tom Dunne wrote: »

And you are only finding this out now? Methinks that for some reason you have lost focus on your ability to determine the difference between a middle-aged man and a man of younger years. Why could that be, now?

*readies can of petrol for the flames*

Probably because my middle-aged man looks younger than you. :pac:

Emme

Insurgent wrote: »

To be honest, I'm in my late twenties and would like to be engaging in intimate relations with a woman in her twenties!!

That makes sense.

Tom Dunne

janeybabe wrote: »

Probably because my middle-aged man looks less distinguished than you, despite being considerably older.

FYP.

smashey

Emme wrote: »

My question is, why do the men in their late 30s up go for girls in their 20s rather than a fighting fit and young looking female of their own age? Is it a number thing, do 40 something men meet for pints and say "lads, I pulled this wan last night and she's only 26" rather than "lads, I pulled this wan last night, she's me own age but doesn't look a day over 30".

Are ye afraid of women your own age because we don't take any crap and aren't afraid to ask for what we want?

The answer to that is very simple...

Ego.

Toto Wolfcastle

Tom Dunne wrote: »

FYP.

Whatever. The truth hurts.

Emme

smashey wrote: »

The answer to that is very simple...

Ego.

Ego, the size of which increases directly in proportion to the increase in the size of the beer belly, and the decrease in the size and viability of other body parts...:D

Only joking

P.C.

Emme wrote: »

Are ye afraid of women your own age because we don't take any crap and aren't afraid to ask for what we want?

Some men are scared of 'independant' women.

I enjoy the company of a woman who can 'make up her own mind'.

Nevyn

That trait is something which is not necessarily age related but you would be right about some men being shall we say 'put off' women who have a strong personality and know their own minds.

sceptre

I keep on seeing references to middle-aged here. What counts as middle-aged these days?

And I'd prefer a range if you please, none of this "it depends on <something> factors" if you were thinking of going there.

I'm 34. Am I middle-aged? I don't particularly care as there isn't an yes or no answer that will change my age (that's what the skin cream made from embryos would be for), I'm just curious. I'd like to arrange having some money before my mid-life crisis is due, that's all.

Tom Dunne

Thaedydal wrote: »

That trait is something which is not necessarily age related but you would be right about some men being shall we say 'put off' women who have a strong personality and know their own minds.

I'm with P.C. on this one. I like a strong woman who can make up her own mind and knows what she wants (and is a dab hand at making rasher sandwiches, but that is for another discussion).

sceptre wrote: »

I keep on seeing references to middle-aged here. What counts as middle-aged these days?

And I'd prefer a range if you please, none of this "it depends on <something> factors" if you were thinking of going there.

I'm 34. Am I middle-aged? I don't particularly care as there isn't an yes or no answer that will change my age (that's what the skin cream made from embryos would be for), I'm just curious. I'd like to arrange having some money before my mid-life crisis is due, that's all.

Whoa there sceptre, no need to panic.

You are like me, just a young fella. Middle-aged is anything north of 40, so you don't qualify.

Start saving now.

Nevyn

/ignores Tom Dunne's attempts at flattery.

sceptre wrote: »

I keep on seeing references to middle-aged here. What counts as middle-aged these days?

And I'd prefer a range if you please, none of this "it depends on <something> factors" if you were thinking of going there.

I'm 34. Am I middle-aged? I don't particularly care as there isn't an yes or no answer that will change my age (that's what the skin cream made from embryos would be for), I'm just curious. I'd like to arrange having some money before my mid-life crisis is due, that's all.

You've a good 6 years or more before you have to be worried about that, same as myself.

There is something to be for the bounce and enthusiasm of a young lady in her early 20s, I must admit.