Flair has a cut at Bret Hart Again

flahavaj

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/2553421/Ric-Flair-launches-a-new-attack-on-Bret-The-Hitman-Hart.html

RIC FLAIR has launched an astonishing attack on fellow WWE Hall of Famer Bret Hart — labelling him a mid-card wrestler.

The pair have been embroiled in a bitter war of words, but The Nature Boy's latest verbal volley has left wrestling fans stunned.

Speaking on the LAW radio show in Canada, Flair blasted: "He is a p***-ant in the history of wrestling.

"He has the nerve to compare himself to me! Let's get realistic. If you put Bret Hart in your left hand and me in your right hand, compare the career...who is he?

"I wrestled everybody in the business, for an hour each night. Harley Race, Dory Funk, Jack and Jerry Brisco, who is Bret Hart?

"He is a legend in his own mind. He lives in his own little world...he screws his own family around. Who is Bret Hart?

"In my world he is a nobody!"

While it's true that the 16-time World Champion faced some of the greatest competitors of all-time, The Hitman, himself a 7-time world champion, had his fair share of memorable matches.

He endured classic encounters against the likes of Shawn Michaels, Davey Boy Smith, The Undertaker, Steve Austin and Curt Hennig.

During a 2005 interview with SunSport Bret shared his thoughts on the Nature Boy.

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He said: "If you ask me who the most overrated guy in the history of the business is, then it would be Ric Flair.

"I guess that maybe somewhere in his career he was good, but even when I won the world title from him in the WWE I thought he wasn't that hot.

"He never impressed me after that and he definitely doesn't impress me now.

"I think that, like Hogan, if you've seen one Ric Flair match then you've seen them all."

But whoever's side you're on, there's no denying that Bret and Ric are two of the most gifted performers in the history of professional wrestling.

Flair getting bauld again.

I wonder is it a work, Mania 26 match perhaps?:pac:

Handsome Bob

Sounds like Flair is just being controversial for the sake of having something to say and getting paid. Really, there's no need for it.

Rjd2

Both of them are master self publicists.

Fozzy

ROH angle :pac:

lankysexybeast

flahavaj wrote: »

Flair getting bauld again

I wonder is it a work, Mania 26 match perhaps?:pac:

def not bret wont wrestle again. unless it'll be a hart dynasty member vs someone flair trained.

i'm a huge bret fan and have my problems with flairs career but i don't even think it would matter even if these two guys had had every match agains't the same people with the exact same spots. they'd prob still be at it. we can't know the actual reason it's kicked off. although brets outspokenness usually lights a flame.

check out "off the record" on you tube. on it flair attacks bret and even says that the only reason that canada thinks he's so great is cause there so deprived of actual good atheletes he also attacks him over owens death and the dealings around it. from the interviews and what i'v heard of about flair, my main problem with all this or anything he says about anyone is that i think he'd change his opinion at the drop of a hat to suit himself.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Bret Hart made a lot of guys look good, big guys especially.
Flair should've packed it in a long time ago.

Hart kinda was a mid-card wrestler. His first WWF title run was cut fairly short, his second and most lengthy was alright but I can't remember too many memorable main events save for the cage match. His third was just to keep the belt warm for HBK , his 4th doesn't really count and his 5th again they didn't do much with him. He'd a top card PPV match with Patriot and the One Night Only Undertaker match. Both good matches but hardly show stoppas.

I think the 2nd Hart/HBK match was one of their best though, as in one of both of their best.

To fill in the gaps of Hart's singles career*.... his IC/mid card run from late 91 to 92 was alright I suppose but I only know of the PPV stuff. I like the Perfect SS match.
1993 I don't remember much other than the Lawlor fued. His KotR performance was fab.
1995 was a wash out in the middle part of the year. The two Diesel matches I thought were really good and he somehow got a fantastic match out of Bulldog but wrestling a dentist and a pirate is hardly something to write home about. Right guy wrong time though I suppose. "New generation" and all that.



* hardly saw anything of his WCW output btw.

lankysexybeast

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Bret Hart made a lot of guys look good, big guys especially.
Flair should've packed it in a long time ago.

Hart kinda was a mid-card wrestler. His first WWF title run was cut fairly short, his second and most lengthy was alright but I can't remember too many memorable main events save for the cage match. His third was just to keep the belt warm for HBK , his 4th doesn't really count and his 5th again they didn't do much with him. He'd a top card PPV match with Patriot and the One Night Only Undertaker match. Both good matches but hardly show stoppas.

I think the 2nd Hart/HBK match was one of their best though, as in one of both of their best.

To fill in the gaps of Hart's singles career*.... his IC/mid card run from late 91 to 92 was alright I suppose but I only know of the PPV stuff. I like the Perfect SS match.
1993 I don't remember much other than the Lawlor fued. His KotR performance was fab.
1995 was a wash out in the middle part of the year. The two Diesel matches I thought were really good and he somehow got a fantastic match out of Bulldog but wrestling a dentist and a pirate is hardly something to write home about. Right guy wrong time though I suppose. "New generation" and all that.



* hardly saw anything of his WCW output btw.

don't worry bout his wcw time was average wrestling wise except for two of the matchs. the title match and the tribute match. you can watch it all on youtube.

i agree with alot of what your saying except that he was just keeping the title warm for shawn. but i disagree with were it's coming from. alot of his mid card stuff was done because the wwf needed him to do it not because he wasn't popular or good enough. like as a wrestler, techniqly, physically and historical impact wise bret was just far better. i know that the last point will be a biggest point of dispute but look at it from the hart foundation, he was the first man ever in the royal rumble, in the first iron man match (in wwf), first submission match, gave vince the idea for the ladder match + alot of the spots that happened in shawns and thats just off the top of my head i could go on for ages. it's easy to list his memorable, innovative matchs even if your not a fan and i don't think that you can do that with flair.

EdK

Bret Hart has something Ric Flair will never have........dignity!!!

lankysexybeast

here a quick cut together of some of flairs comments on other wrestlers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8fHyrrXXRk

Red Sleeping Beauty

lankysexybeast wrote: »

don't worry bout his wcw time was average wrestling wise except for two of the matchs. the title match and the tribute match. you can watch it all on youtube.

i agree with alot of what your saying except that he was just keeping the title warm for shawn. but i disagree with were it's coming from. alot of his mid card stuff was done because the wwf needed him to do it not because he wasn't popular or good enough. like as a wrestler, techniqly, physically and historical impact wise bret was just far better. i know that the last point will be a biggest point of dispute but look at it from the hart foundation, he was the first man ever in the royal rumble, in the first iron man match (in wwf), first submission match, gave vince the idea for the ladder match + alot of the spots that happened in shawns and thats just off the top of my head i could go on for ages. it's easy to list his memorable, innovative matchs even if your not a fan and i don't think that you can do that with flair.

I was a big Hart fan. I was just playing devil's advocate a bit. Hart could get a good match out of just about anyone as I said

I read an interview in some wrestling mag there the other week where he was talking about the psychology of storylines and all that. I think he had a good portion of that side of the business in him much like Foley. I thought he adapted fairly well to the WWF Attitude era that started in '97 and he played the American heel/Canadian face thing really well I thought.

Always felt it was a cruel irony that shortly after Survivor Series, Michaels was out of wrestling for years and in '98 Vince was short on top heels. I'd say another Hitman/Austin programme for the world title could've been good (had Austin not had his injury of course).

flahavaj

lankysexybeast wrote: »

def not bret wont wrestle again.

Twas said pure tongue in cheek bah.

chopperbyrne

EdK wrote: »

Bret Hart has something Ric Flair will never have........dignity!!!

That's laughable, it really is.

Fozzy

chopperbyrne wrote: »

That's laughable, it really is.

Yeah, Bret says the same stuff about Flair. I think that they're both convinced that the other started it

davrho

EdK wrote: »

Bret Hart has something Ric Flair will never have........dignity!!!

Bret Hart comes across to me as a cry baby type who is up his own arse. For someone who has "dignity" the guy sure does some bitching.

The fact Vince never offered him a new contract and WCW pushed him to the middle/back of their roster tells a story itself.

He wasnt even the best wrestler in his house.

Red Sleeping Beauty

davrho wrote: »

Bret Hart comes across to me as a cry baby type who is up his own arse. For someone who has "dignity" the guy sure does some bitching.

The fact Vince never offered him a new contract and WCW pushed him to the middle/back of their roster tells a story itself.

He wasnt even the best wrestler in his house.

Some facts....

Bret had a contract, Vince just couldn't afford to pay it so they agreed to let Bret do a deal with Bishoff. Vince was also rolling with the Dx thing and pushing Steve Austin trying to win the ratings so there wasn't go to be a top spot for Hart for much longer. Which was a good thing unlike WCW who always kept the same few guys in the top spot

WCW was a train wreck and they completely dropped the ball with Bret Hart. They also kept Austin and Foley in the mid card and fired Austin.


I agree though that he does bitch a fair bit.

Bubs101

This just reminds me how dissapointed I was with his ****ty shoot interview

davrho

Alan Rouge wrote: »

Some facts....

Bret had a contract, Vince just couldn't afford to pay it so they agreed to let Bret do a deal with Bishoff.

Brets contract was finished when he left. Its in his book. If your contract is finished who would "let" you do a deal with any other company? Thats your own business and feck all to do with your employer. That fact makes no sense what so ever.

To be honest trying to find facts in the wrestling world is a complete waste of time. Its a matter of who's side of the story you believe.

davrho

davrho wrote: »

Brets contract was finished when he left. Its in his book. If your contract is finished who would "let" you do a deal with any other company? Thats your own business and feck all to do with your employer. That fact makes no sense what so ever.

To be honest trying to find facts in the wrestling world is a complete waste of time. Its a matter of who's side of the story you believe.

Mods get in here and stop it before it baloons !!

bigeasyeah

I like both these guys,they are two of my favorite wrestlers.I wish they would just drop it,they both have had great careers and both mens influence can be seen today in many ways.

CMpunked

its an insecurity thing. you can hear it in what ric says.

orestes

Folks, we aren't doing the Montreal screwjob and related matters in this thread, there are already dozens of threads about it on here, we don't need another one.

Flair and Bret is the topic, please stick to it.

Don't know much of Flairs side of it but I do remember Bret saying a few times in his book that Flair was very hard to work with in the ring and questioned his professionalism.

dlofnep

Bret was a much better wrestler than Flair. Flair, while he had a respectable career - was not a good technical wrestler. He had good ring presense, knew how to work the crowd.. But technically, he wasn't great.

Vince135792003

dlofnep wrote: »

Bret was a much better wrestler than Flair. Flair, while he had a respectable career - was not a good technical wrestler. He had good ring presense, knew how to work the crowd.. But technically, he wasn't great.

That has to be the biggest understatement I've heard in a while. If Ric Flair's career is just "respectable", you would have to classify 99.99% of all wrestling careers as failures.


They were both great.

dlofnep

It wasn't meant as an understatement. Stop nitpicking. The point I was attempting to make was that Bret was a much better mat-wrestler than Flair, not that Flair's career as a whole was nothing short of brilliant.

flahavaj

Flair was a really good technical wrestler. You don't spend a career working one hour draws as a touring NWA champion without being really REALLY good on the mat. Watch anything Flair did in the 80's and you'll realise this pretty fast.

Vince135792003

dlofnep wrote: »

It wasn't meant as an understatement. Stop nitpicking. The point I was attempting to make was that Bret was a much better mat-wrestler than Flair, not that Flair's career as a whole was nothing short of brilliant.

I'm not nitpicking. If I went on a tennis board and someone said Pete Sampras has had a respectable career but that Federer is technically better I would be pulled up on it no doubt.

The fact that Bret Hart may have been a little crisper on the mat is really not a big issue at all in my opinion because wrestling matches are fundamentally about drawing people emotionally into them to garner the greatest reaction possible. And Ric Flair was phenomenal at that as was Hart.