BOI staff on Strike

Lexus1976

Bank Of Ireland staff on strike WTF!!!!!!!!!

They are looking for a pay rise for bonuses and cost of living. Despite the fact that cost of living is as low as it was 6 years ago. And why the hell are they looking for a bonus, do they not realise the economy is in shatters due to their incompetence. Their average wage is approx 40k.

We the Joe soap are already after saving their jobs, by providing them with a hand out to stop the banks from going under. Are these people for real, If I had my way I would sack them all and hire a new breed of bankers, those with a small bit of common sense that would appreciate having a job.

TPD

Your name is 'Lexus', you cant give out about people wanting excess.

wudangclan

wunch of bankers

stovelid

Lexus1976 wrote: »

do they not realise the economy is in shatters due to their incompetence.

Because of the every one of the rank-and-file staff?

You may as well say that everybody who voted in a majority Fianna Fail government (and then conveniently developed amnesia when they didn't keep the milk flowing) is as culpable.

Lexus1976

The Perfect Drug wrote: »

Your name is 'Lexus', you cant give out about people wanting excess.

Read it again slowly its : Lexus1976

Homer

Open your own bank if you don't like it! You're lucky to have money in the bank to take out in the first place! Lot's of people don't...

My name is URL

Anyone that strikes in order to get more money during a recession should be taken out back and kicked in the face until dead

wudangclan

My name is URL wrote: »

Anyone that strikes in order to get more money during a recession should be taken out back and kicked in the face until dead

a job for facekicker?

RoadKillTs

do they not realise the economy is in shatters due to their incompetence

Ya spot on. Its BOI's fault we are in a recession.
Nothing at all to do with a nation of greedy, materialistic, property mad people that lost the run of themselves.

Their average wage is approx 40k

I'd love to know where you got that figure. Do you have a source for this?

arybvtcw0eolkf

My name is URL wrote: »

Anyone that strikes in order to get more money during a recession should be taken out back and kicked in the face until dead

And a thousend strikes of The Cat 'o Nine Tales, Yarrrrrrr.

:mad:

Lexus1976

RoadKillTs wrote: »

Ya spot on. Its BOI's fault we are in a recession.
Nothing at all to do with a nation of greedy, materialistic, property mad people that lost the run of themselves.

I'd love to know where you got that figure. Do you have a source for this?

Property mad people that got a lend of money from greedy banks! Do you read the news? :rolleyes:

Figures are all available on the internet, try a site called google :P

minidazzler

Homer wrote: »

Open your own bank if you don't like it! You're lucky to have money in the bank to take out in the first place! Lot's of people don't...

Luck has nothing to do with it.

For me it's family ties:D

rs

Great Plan BOI staff.

Make your bank even more unattractive for customers use. It's not like there are other banks that people could take their business to.

You go on strike, you piss off customers.

AnonoBoy

Homer wrote: »

Open your own bank if you don't like it!

I tried to.

Apparently The Man says you gotta have A Licence to do it legally though.

Forget that noise.

Dyr

Lexus1976 wrote: »

Bank Of Ireland staff on strike WTF!!!!!!!!!

They are looking for a pay rise for bonuses and cost of living. Despite the fact that cost of living is as low as it was 6 years ago. And why the hell are they looking for a bonus, do they not realise the economy is in shatters due to their incompetence. Their average wage is approx 40k.

We the Joe soap are already after saving their jobs, by providing them with a hand out to stop the banks from going under. Are these people for real, If I had my way I would sack them all and hire a new breed of bankers, those with a small bit of common sense that would appreciate having a job.

The labour court has already ruled in their favour. They've already taken a pay cut this year. They are joe soaps not bankers.

If theres anything else you haven't a clue about then just rant away and somebody might correct you.

RoadKillTs

Property mad people that got a lend of money from greedy banks! Do you read the news? :rolleyes:

Yes I do read the news and not just the Independent like you :rolleyes:.

Who fuelled the property bubble?
Who was going out buying property, fancy cars and other sh*te which they didn't need?
It takes two to tango.

I'll never understand why people can't accept responsibility for their own actions.

Figures are all available on the internet, try a site called google

Ok I did. Here is a quote from The Times.


The union says the group of staff involved, most of whom are on salaries of less than €30,000, have taken a decrease in salary of 12 per cent this year due to the non-payment of company-related performance payments.

Link

Myrddin

stovelid wrote: »

You may as well say that everybody who voted in a majority Fianna Fail government (and then conveniently developed amnesia when they didn't keep the milk flowing) is as culpable.

You mean they ARNT culpable? The leader of the party at the tim of the election was currently embrioled in an investagive tribunal, and what happens, party re-ellected. The people who voted them get what they deserve, simple as.

thelordofcheese

Lexus1976 wrote: »

Bank Of Ireland staff on strike WTF!!!!!!!!!

They are looking for a pay rise for bonuses and cost of living. Despite the fact that cost of living is as low as it was 6 years ago. And why the hell are they looking for a bonus, do they not realise the economy is in shatters due to their incompetence. Their average wage is approx 40k.

We the Joe soap are already after saving their jobs, by providing them with a hand out to stop the banks from going under. Are these people for real, If I had my way I would sack them all and hire a new breed of bankers, those with a small bit of common sense that would appreciate having a job.

Given that it's staff from the "Life and Pensions" section of BOI i really doubt they had anything to do with 'shattering' the economy, but don't let little things like facts and reality get in the way of your gum flapping.

Lexus1976

Looks like the bankers are out in force today

Niall09

The union says the group of staff involved, most of whom are on salaries of less than €30,000, have taken a decrease in salary of 12 per cent this year due to the non-payment of company-related performance payments.

"We're not looking for a pay increase, we're looking to reduce a pay decrease," he said.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0723/breaking3.htm

rs

Homer wrote: »

Open your own bank if you don't like it! You're lucky to have money in the bank to take out in the first place! Lot's of people don't...

Why would I open my own bank when there are so many other existing banks to choose from.

Thankfully, I moved all my savings and mortgage from BOI a couple of years ago. I suspect many other BOI customers will do the same if BOI staff really do go on strike.

And I'm not lucky I have money in the bank. I simply didn't spend it all during the boom years. Forward planning, not luck.

Ostrom

I cant believe this??? What a disgrace!!!!

F**kin bankers... No need to probe for more reliable sources, or investigate further - the title says it all, this is shameful!!!

thelordofcheese

Lexus1976 wrote: »

Looks like the bankers are out in force today

Or people who can read, one or the other.

MikeC101

Lexus1976 wrote: »

Looks like the bankers are out in force today

Yup, anyone pointing out the mistakes in your posts must be a banker.

No just, y'know, someone pointing out the errors you've made.

Homer

rs wrote: »

Why would I open my own bank when there are so many other existing banks to choose from.

Thankfully, I moved all my savings and mortgage from BOI a couple of years ago. I suspect many other BOI customers will do the same if BOI staff really do go on strike.

And I'm not lucky I have money in the bank. I simply didn't spend it all during the boom years. Forward planning, not luck.

Tight fisted miser sounds more like

Lexus1976

The union says the group of staff involved, most of whom are on salaries of less than €30,000, have taken a decrease in salary of 12 per cent this year due to the non-payment of company-related performance payments.


The Union ha ha ha are you having a laugh

What company related performance? The banks are being held together by our taxes.

Dyr

Lexus1976 wrote: »

The union says the group of staff involved, most of whom are on salaries of less than €30,000, have taken a decrease in salary of 12 per cent this year due to the non-payment of company-related performance payments.


The Union ha ha ha are you having a laugh

What company related performance? The banks are being held together by our taxes.

If he is he's having it at your expense..

thelordofcheese

Lexus1976 wrote: »

The union says the group of staff involved, most of whom are on salaries of less than €30,000, have taken a decrease in salary of 12 per cent this year due to the non-payment of company-related performance payments.


The Union ha ha ha are you having a laugh

What company related performance? The banks are being held together by our taxes.

Explain to me exactly how the life and pensions section of BOI caused the financial collapse of ireland, and i'll start treating your opinion with respect.

Lexus1976

Bambi wrote: »

If he is he's having it at your expense..

Yes Bambi

Crackity Jones

RoadKillTs wrote: »

Ok I did. Here is a quote from The Times.


The union says the group of staff involved, most of whom are on salaries of less than €30,000, have taken a decrease in salary of 12 per cent this year due to the non-payment of company-related performance payments.

Link

i'm on a salary decrease of 100% cos I lost my bloody job! what planet are they on looking for company related performance payments.. WHAT PERFORMANCE??? grr unions make me mad

rs

Homer wrote: »

Tight fisted miser sounds more like

I'm just not an f-ing idiot who spends all his money, or more importantly money he doesn't have.

If that makes me a tight fisted miser in your eyes, so be it

RoadKillTs

What company related performance?

What the union is referring too here is the growth of BOI Life.

Their complaint is that BOI Life made money last year and should therefore pay out the agreed pay increases.

I hope that is not too complicated for you to understand.

Crackity Jones

RoadKillTs wrote: »

What the union is referring too here is the growth of BOI Life.

Their complaint is that BOI Life made money last year and should therefore pay out the agreed pay increases.

I hope that is not too complicated for you to understand.

So BOI life aren't a part of BOI group then?

They agreed the pay increases because other benefits were given up in a deal for them, a few years ago
Lower end staff who have to deal with the angry public (like yourselves) all the time, and still manage to do a good job, should indeed get what they're entitled to and what was already agreed, partic. given they already took paycuts and lost bonuses.

RoadKillTs

So BOI life aren't a part of BOI group then?

They are part of the group but are a separate entity to the bank.

rs

Here's the thing. There is no such thing as a "performance related bonus". Companies call them that, but that's not what they really are.

They are "economic climate bonuses". When the company is doing well, they pay them (if only to retain staff). When the company is struggling or the economy in trouble, they don't.

If you are a good employee when the company is doing well, you get a big bonus. While this relates to you being a good employee, it's more because the company does not want to lose you to a competitor than they want to reward you for your hard work.

Crackity Jones

bluewolf wrote: »

They agreed the pay increases because other benefits were given up in a deal for them, a few years ago
Lower end staff who have to deal with the angry public (like yourselves) all the time, and still manage to do a good job, should indeed get what they're entitled to and what was already agreed, partic. given they already took paycuts and lost bonuses.

It was a whole different world a few yrs ago...

RoadKillTs

It was a whole different world a few yrs ago...

I understand what you are saying but just because we are in a recession doesn't mean staff should be walked all over and treated unfairly.

At the end of the day they made previous pay agreements and they should be upheld especially if the employer in question is making money.

Crackity Jones

RoadKillTs wrote: »

I understand what you are saying but just because we are in a recession doesn't mean staff should be walked all over and treated unfairly.

At the end of the day they made previous pay agreements and they should be upheld especially if the employer in question is making money.

no I agree but people need to be realistic as well. There's too much 'I'm entitled to this and entitled to that' in this country.

Crackity Jones

Crackity Jones wrote: »

It was a whole different world a few yrs ago...

That doesn't mean the fatcats can walk all over the lower paid staff and throw up the profit margins while yelling "it's a recession, get over it".
Save the venom for where it's due, lads, the staff are just trying to get by like us

projectmayhem

Crackity Jones wrote: »

no I agree but people need to be realistic as well. There's too much 'I'm entitled to this and entitled to that' in this country.

People will always feel that, bitch, moan & complain. That's human nature.

...but when you introduce a feckin' union things go ape-shit

MagicMarker

When BOI staff reach a standard level of competency then they can have a payrise afaic. At the minute though, they're way off!

stovelid

EnterNow wrote: »

You mean they ARNT culpable? The leader of the party at the tim of the election was currently embrioled in an investagive tribunal, and what happens, party re-ellected. The people who voted them get what they deserve, simple as.

I agree.

I was making the point that anybody who voted Fianna Fail should not be pointing the finger at rank and file bank workers for the misdeeds of the superiors.

Whether or not I agree with this particular strike is one thing, but saying that all bank employees are responsible for bad bank policy is plainly idiotic.

Lexus1976

I apologise for my firey tantrum. I can be known as a bit of a hot head at times. When I think about it, it was the notion of people looking for a salary increase when there are so many people losing their jobs and finding it incredibly difficult that really annoyed me.

Unfortunately for most people involved in the finance industry it is a stressful time and unfortunately its only going to get worse. There are rumours that some of the non national banks are considering pulling out of Ireland temporarily. Some of them have already began winding down their services.

The main 2 national banks in Ireland are doing what they can to reduce overheads this includes trying to intice staff to take career breaks as to reduce the overwhelming deficit in their cash reserves which is depleting at a rapid pace. Other members of staff are being sent to NAMA to look after the new government initiative.

Some bank branches will be closed over the next couple of years, it does'nt take an Einstien to figure that out.

The issue of striking for money owed to staff members is fair and just. I take my hat off to them, their braver then I would be. The facts are people will lose their jobs due to lack of profitablity in the banking sector. And this salary increase will only cause this process to accelerate.

oldyouth

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Explain to me exactly how the life and pensions section of BOI caused the financial collapse of ireland, and i'll start treating your opinion with respect.

They didn't cause it in isolation but they were part of the problem. BOI Bank were happy to issue mortgages which were not sustainable and they then passed these customers on to BOI Life to issue mortgage protection policies. All luverly, jubbly.

stovelid

oldyouth wrote: »

They didn't cause it in isolation but they were part of the problem. BOI Bank were happy to issue mortgages which were not sustainable and they then passed these customers on to BOI Life to issue mortgage protection policies. All luverly, jubbly.

So you reckon somebody in their 40s, with a family, earning 35k a year should head straight to their manager and refuse to sell mortgage protection policies as a stinging critique of the bank's aggressive mortgage policies?

oldyouth

stovelid wrote: »

So you reckon somebody ij their 40s with a family earning 35k a year should straight to their manager and refuse to sell mortgage protection policies as a stinging critique of the bank's aggressive mortgage policies?

Don't be daft, they, like all of us, did what they did in the boom times. I responded to a question on how BOI Life were part of the problem and that is how I see it.

The issue is that, in the current climate, most of us have to either accept or have no choice in the cutbacks that are being enforced. I for one do not appreciate my taxes being used to fund pay increases to ANY bank staff. I appreciate that the vast majority are ordinary hard working honest jobbers like myself who had no input in to the stupid decisions that their Boards made. But please, knock down the Boardroom door and shake your directors by the heels to see what money comes out of their pockets before you look to dip in to mine

thelordofcheese

oldyouth wrote: »

They didn't cause it in isolation but they were part of the problem. BOI Bank were happy to issue mortgages which were not sustainable and they then passed these customers on to BOI Life to issue mortgage protection policies. All luverly, jubbly.

yeah..... that's not being part of the problem at all.

In the slightest.

ro2

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Given that it's staff from the "Life and Pensions" section of BOI i really doubt they had anything to do with 'shattering' the economy, but don't let little things like facts and reality get in the way of your gum flapping.

Given the performance of their investments, they hardly deserve a bonus.

http://www.bankofirelandlife.ie/getdoc/11ec65d3-fed9-43c1-840f-6d2f250f3e72/BIL-Q1-2009-Inv-Plus.aspx

Poor Uncle Tom

What's the difference for them being on strike as opposed to a normal working day?

They do it outside...:)

thelordofcheese

ro2 wrote: »

Given the performance of their investments, they hardly deserve a bonus.

http://www.bankofirelandlife.ie/getdoc/11ec65d3-fed9-43c1-840f-6d2f250f3e72/BIL-Q1-2009-Inv-Plus.aspx

given they turned a profit when the rest of the bank was bleeding money, i'd say otherwise.