Dealers Choice Cash Game @ Voodoo Card Club

Conbro

Hi guys,
Starting next Wednesday 29th July at 8:00 the Voodoo Card Club will be hosting a weekly dealers choice pot limit cash game with 1/2 blinds and a minimum buyin of 100 euro. The idea is to have a choice of about 7 games with play being 7 handed. Omaha high, texas holdem, omaha high lo and 7 card stud will make up some of the games but the others are all up for discussion. Please use this thread to both declare your interest and availability to play this game and to discuss what games you think should be involved.
Cheers,
Conor

GKidd

2-7 TD and Razz and I'll donate.

baker1

Hi Coner,

I'll play all right. Should be a laugh. All the obvious games plus courcheval, london lowball, Razz, 2-7 single. It might be better to stay away from any wild games, they usually cause hassle and confusion.

One other thing. The structure for the stud games is very important. Pot limit stud can play very big on later streets. A 50c ante and a €2 forced bring in should make for plenty of play.

rag2gar

Ah, a bit of variety!

If Waterford goes well for me I shall donate. Blind mans bluff is a must fwiw...

FishFlop21

GKidd wrote: »

2-7 TD and Razz and I'll donate.

I agree !

Conbro

Just a couple of points folks. Firstly the list of games must be restricted to a certain amount and declared in advance of next Wednesday. This will ensure the dealers are prepared for whats instore and make for the smoothest possible running of the night. Taking this into consideration, I'd suggest we go with 1 low game[either razz or lowball], 1 drawing game[ 7 2 triple draw?], 1 game that invloves disarding cards after the flop[Irish, pineapple etc] and the possibility of one other game that offers something different. This will ensure a good variation of games while at the same time preventig total chaos and confusion taking over[hopefully].

The list of games would then look something like this
1.Holdem
2.Omaha Hi
3.Omaha hi-lo
4.Seven Card Stud
5.Razz/lowball
6.Irish/Pineapple
7.2-7 draw

Thoughts?

As for betting structures, I would agree with Baker's suggestion for 7card stud. Half pot trebling ftw imo. All other games pot limit I would imagine. Look forward to hearing more suggestions

Conbro

rag2gar wrote: »

Ah, a bit of variety!

If Waterford goes well for me I shall donate. Blind mans bluff is a must fwiw...

Are you mad? The game will be over in half an hour, 10 minutes if Halfbaked and AKQJ10 are playing:pac:.

lee_arama

Why not make it 8 games and follow the Stars mixed game structure? I'd imagine that's where most of us play our Razz game?

I'd certainly stick my nose in for this were I in Smack any given Wednesday.

GKidd

Conbro wrote: »

The list of games would then look something like this

1.Holdem
2.Omaha Hi
3.Omaha hi-lo
4.Seven Card Stud
5.Razz/lowball
6.Irish/Pineapple
7.2-7 draw

Thoughts?

As for betting structures, I would agree with Baker's suggestion for 7card stud. Half pot trebling ftw imo. All other games pot limit I would imagine. Look forward to hearing more suggestions

.

peteypop

ill play if i ts H O R S E
holdem
omaha hi lo
razz
stud hi
stud hi lo

other games iv never played b4 so wouldnt be sure on them.let me know on boards what s decided

peteypop

i personally wouldnt be interested if it pokerstars version of horse,would defo play if its decided to be horse fl

GKidd

I think the whole H.O.R.S.E. thing has been flogged to death.

D.C has much more longevity IMO.

rag2gar

Will there be anybody on offer to explain the rules to the games before hand? Pref Conbro? I'll play but dont know some of te games. Fish need tuition here!

baker1

rag2gar wrote: »

Will there be anybody on offer to explain the rules to the games before hand? Pref Conbro? I'll play but dont know some of te games. Fish need tuition here!

Holdem + Omaha: I presume you know the rules, but I have my doubts seeing you play in the Jackpot last weekend!

Stud: All players ante, 2 cards dealt face down and 1 face up to all players. The lowest face up card is forced to bring in for a predetermined amount or up to the max bet allowed. Play continues until bets are equalised. Any remaining players after 3 street recieve another card face up. The first action is now determined by the high board. They have to option to check/bet. In stud a double bet is usually allowed if a player is showing a pair on 4th. In half pot games a player can usually bet the full pot in this situation. Play continues through 5th and 6th street with cards dealt face up to each player. 7th Street is dealt face down and action is completed.
. in the event of a tie for low card bring in on 3rd, the bring in is determined using suits, reverse alphabet.
. the high board always acts first on 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th street. There is no button in stud.

Stud 8: Is played the same way with some small differences. High card brings in on 3rd and no double pair bet allowed on 4th street. Low hands need to be 8 or better to qualify, ie 5 seperate cards 8 or below. reading your low hand as a number backwards is the easiest way to read your hand ie 87652 is better than 87653. The nut low is 5432A i.e. straights and flushes do not count against you.

Razz: Is another 7 stud varient played with the high card bringing in on 3rd and the best low board having the lead on all other streets. 5432A is nuts, straights and flushes do not count against you.

London Lowball: Another 7 stud varient but straights and flushes count against you. Aces count as low so the nuts is 6432A

2-7: Is a 5 card draw game. It is worst hand poker. You are trying to make a low hand. The best low in this game is 75432. Aces are high in this game and straights and flushes count against you. It is the opposite of normal poker and the hand rankings are reversed. the game can be played single draw with players drawing cards or standing pat to improve their hand. In triple draw, players have 3 draws to improve their hand.

That covers most of the possible games, I can do a run down on other games if anybody wants.

Conbro

Ok folks having taken players opinions into consideration and discussed the game with Derek, Garreth and Nick from Voodoo it has been decided to proceed with the following games for the first night of Dealers Choice @ Voodoo

1.Texas Holdem
2. Omaha High
3. Omaha hi-lo
4. Seven card stud
5. Razz
6. Irish
7. 2-7 triple draw

While the choice of games will be restricted to the above list for the first night, it is not a definitive list. Games may be added or replaced for future weeks depending on demand by players and if feasible. For anyone worried about not being familiar with the rules of certain games please fear not, as you're in good company;). However Derek, Nick and Garreth all have years of experience running and dealing mixed games and DC and will be on hand for the duration of the night. Rules of the games will be explained to everyone in advance[please arrive early if you want to avail of free tuition:D].

Please also note the following:
1. First session of Dealers Choice @ Voodoo will take place Wednesday 29th July @ 8:00
2. Blinds for all games will be 1/2 euro with the exception of stud which requires a low card "bring in" of 1 euro
3. The betting structure for all games will be pot limit except stud which will be half pot limit
4. The minimum buyin for this game is 100 euro with a maximum buyin of 500 euro allowed.
5. Rake will be charged @ 5% of pot capped @ 10euro.
6. "Running twice" is permitted by the club when two players are "allin" and agree to this course of action
7. Seating will be limited to 8 players on a first come first served basis.

If you have any further queries please dont hesitate to raise them. All feedback and opinions greatly appreciated.
See you on Wednesday,
Cheers,
Conor

Mellor

If Stud Hi is in the list, and Razz, then it makes no sense to leave out Stud 8.

You should also clarify what the clubs position on 2-7 TD is. 8 handed might be stretching it a little and means that you will use up the full shoe every deal. What is the order for reintroducing cards? I'd recommend folded hands shuffled then discards if required and the reverse is bad. But above all clarify it before hand with the club and players. There was a bit of problems over this at the 2007 or 2008 WSOP


Best of luck with this, I'd actually love to make it, but what can you do

rag2gar

All looks good and looking forward to donating Weds night. Conor, When you say to get there early as rules will be explained in advance what time would you reccomend? 7.30?

GKidd

2-7 should be SD if 8 handed or TD if 7 or less.

Discards should be introduced ONLY when required and after a thorough shuffle.

smoothcall

This sounds great. I'll probably be up for this, are you gonna reserve seats or is it just first come first serve?? what time you thinking of getting it going?

Conbro

Mellor wrote: »

If Stud Hi is in the list, and Razz, then it makes no sense to leave out Stud 8.

You should also clarify what the clubs position on 2-7 TD is. 8 handed might be stretching it a little and means that you will use up the full shoe every deal. What is the order for reintroducing cards? I'd recommend folded hands shuffled then discards if required and the reverse is bad. But above all clarify it before hand with the club and players. There was a bit of problems over this at the 2007 or 2008 WSOP


Best of luck with this, I'd actually love to make it, but what can you do

Fortunately the guys in charge of this game will have much more experience in certain disciplines than I do. Procedures for reshuffling cards etc will be outlined clearly to players and dealers in advance of the game. As for Stud 8, yes it would be nice to have the 3 disciplines of stud included but for everyone concerned and considering its the first night of dealers choice, its best to limit the number of games beig offered. As I said earlier though, this is not a definitive list and if certain games are demanded by the players they will replace existing games where possible for future weeks. This is the only Dealers Choice cash game being hosted by any Dublin card room so I have great confidence that it will attract a strong following and become a regular weekly event offering something different for the player.

Conbro

rag2gar wrote: »

All looks good and looking forward to donating Weds night. Conor, When you say to get there early as rules will be explained in advance what time would you reccomend? 7.30?

Come down about 7:45 Gary and we will go through everything before action commences

Conbro

smoothcall wrote: »

This sounds great. I'll probably be up for this, are you gonna reserve seats or is it just first come first serve?? what time you thinking of getting it going?

Seats wiil be allocated on a first come first served basis. Play will commence about 8:00 once players have arrived and rules/procedures explained to everyone.

Flushdraw

Conor,

I know its dealers choice, but will you be changing the game every hand? For the games without a button, will there be an imaginary button moving around the table or will it be a round of the table before the game changes?

Conbro

Flushdraw wrote: »

Conor,

I know its dealers choice, but will you be changing the game every hand? For the games without a button, will there be an imaginary button moving around the table or will it be a round of the table before the game changes?

Hi Tony,
Game will change every hand rather than every round of the table. Hope to see you there,
Conor

Conbro

bump for anyone thinking of heading tonight

dagunman

still in america but trying to learn the stud games so will defo b up for donating to this whem i get home, seems like a great idea. mixed games is where all the value is at now, this seems a great oppourtunity to learn them.

Mellor

GKidd wrote: »

2-7 should be SD if 8 handed or TD if 7 or less.

Discards should be introduced ONLY when required and after a thorough shuffle.

Single draw lowball is terrible imo.
If it is played like this, I would be surprized if its pick more than a few times

BigCityBanker

baker1 wrote: »

Hi Coner,

I'll play all right. Should be a laugh. All the obvious games plus courcheval,

I hear there are some amazing dublin based players of this game

DeVore

Will probably donk off my chips in the tournie and tilt into this to "get myself out of it..." :rolleyes:.


DeV.

strewelpeter

Stars 8 game format is the way to go, would make a good tourney too.

Can't play this tonight but hopefully will some week soon.

tm2204

DeVore wrote: »

Will probably donk off my chips in the tournie and tilt into this to "get myself out of it..." :rolleyes:.


DeV.

Is the Wed tourney still an 8k stack €40 FO? Was gonna head in to check this place out tonight.




Edit:

Nice club, love the different levels and the pool table & free internet areas. The final table and high stakes cash/TV table areas are also a nice touch. Very friendly staff.

Couple of observations: (1) You can buy food but nothing provided at all at the break (not even sandwiches) (2) When you advertise a starting stack of 8k on you web site and this is confirmed when a call is made to the club then you really should be starting with an 8k stack, not 6k and be told it was some kind of mistake.

Will be back; another nice club in Dublin to play.

GKidd

Mellor wrote: »

Single draw lowball is terrible imo.
If it is played like this, I would be surprized if its pick more than a few times

Agreed, I hate this variant but will prob pick it if the table is full.

Conbro

Game starting in the next few minutes 6/7 handed

Mellor

Trip Report??

GKidd

Mellor wrote: »

Trip Report??

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smoothcall

I wandered in, thought it was very enjoyable game. We tinkered with it throughout the night. Changed it to a round of each game with gave the game much more flow. Then changed the stud games to limit as the pot limit really wasnt working very well. At the end I tought it was working very well.

So I'll be back....

Oh also the club is a very nice set up, we were playin on a table up a mini stairs. Very fancy indeed , so its worth popping in for a look.

Conbro

Game kicked off about 8:45 with 6 players: Sirtoyou, Rag2gar, James from Voodoo, Derek Kelly, Smoothcall and myself seated in that order reversed. We would start with 8 games : Holdem, Omaha, Omaha hi-lo, Razz, Stud, Stud hi-lo, Irish and 2-7 triple draw.It was agreed that stud games would allow for maximum half pot betting with all other games permitting pot betting.

As this was our first night of Dealers Choice @ Voodoo we toyed with some different ideas before settling on a pretty good structure for a mixed game. Firstly it became clear quite quickly that the game was a bit disjointed with the games changing every hand. We all agreed then to play a round of the table for each game with each player choosing a game alternately after every orbit. This also meant we could introduce antes for stud games, which is the way stud games are usually played, rather than playing with a button and blinds. Later on in the game Kieran[thats sirtouyou] suggested that we change the stud games to limit format[which had changed temporarily to potlimit like the other games for efficiency]. Bets would be 5 euro up to 4th street and 10euro from 5th to 7th street. The purists will tell you that stud can only be played as a limit game and it certainly seemed to work better in practice. As Kieran said, large bets on early streets remove the skill element from the game.

As for the action, well it was slow and tentative to begin with. Most players were trying to find their feet with games they were unfamiliar with and not get too heavily involved. The first piece of significant action occurred when Gary made a move on Andrew after the final drawing round in 2-7. Stacks wet across the line, Andrew made the call and his 8high holding was good. It was to be the first of many agonisisg showdowns for Gary who didnt get the rub of the green on this particular night. A pot followed soon afterwards where Gary, James and I got our stacks in on a QQ2 flop. Gary was ahead with the underhouse against James q1086 and my holding of aq84. Me, being the constant luckbx that I am, spiked the pointy fella on the river to take down a significant pot.

Others joined the action after a while. Diasy O Grady did his usual job of betting the nuts, gettting a few callers and holding. A
couple of students also jumped in over the course of the night but couldnt engineer much with their shortstacks. Taxi John arrived at the top table craving action after being knocked out of the tournament. It was a rollercoaster night for him and he played one particularly sick hand agaist me which Ill post in the HH section later.

Personally speaking, the night was a great success[aside from the fact I luckboxed my way to a good weigh in]. A lot of people had texted me to tell me they were keen to play but couldnt make it this week for various reasons. We still managed to have 6-8 handed action for over 5 hours which is a good foundation to build on. This is the only dealers choice game in Dublin so I believe it will become a strong weekly game attracting regular support.

On a final note, the success and longevity of a game like this depends on having strong dealers in charge of the game. In that regard we were blessed to have Nick and Garreth on hand to lend their knowledge and expertise to us. They have years of experiece dealing and running mixed games abroad and it ensured an enjoyable and efficiently run event. Gerri also took to dealing new games like a duck to water. For any of you who havnt ventured down to Voodoo yet Id advise you to give it a spin. You will be impressed by the high standards of the staff Derek has taken onboard and the thought that has gone in to making what I believe will be Dublins premier card club. The low rake is also a bonus, last night's rake worked out at less than 6.50 ppph.
Thanks also to the players who participated in the first night of Dealers Choice @ Voodoo. I look forward to seeing you all next week along with plenty of new faces.
Cheers,
Conor

rag2gar

Really enjoyed the game and will be back next Weds. It will be the subject of next month's Poker Ireland article so I will go into in more detail next week.

Cant really extend much further than what Conbro said but what I will say is that I hope it will become a regular game as there is just nothing available like it around and should be actively supported as a result. The way the Game/Club is run is clearly by poker players for poker players...

Nick V

Thanks to all who attended and for the appreciative words. Apologies to tm2204 for the miscommunication, to be clear the evening tournament is a €40 freezeout with 6'000 chips. To clarify a few points regarding structure and games... totally reg free in August.

We settled on a ROE rather than hand-by-hand change structure. This allows the game to flow smoothly and give everyone a chance to get their teeth into the chosen game (particularly in Stud variants and 2-7 Triple Draw). Stud H/L 8 was added to the list with little argument particularly useful at placating James who was horrified to be forbidden his strange variant of this game as an option, with Razz and Stud-Hi on the list it would have seemed strange not to offer split.

All games were initially played Pot Limit, but as Conbro mentions in his trip report, this makes Stud a particularly dull choice due to the massive protection you can give to your hands and extra betting rounds. Stud variants will now be played limit with a €1 ante, €2 bring-in and €5/€10 limits.

All comers welcome - perhaps we'll even get a second game in the future?

Mellor

Glad it worked out.
I didn't know you had intended to play stud games 1/2PL, spread limit is by far a better choice, I imagine it'll stick. also glad Stud Hi/lo made it.

Would really love to be back in dublin for this game. I started playing alot of varients before I left and my only options here are HE or Manilla.

Best of luck next week.

BigCityBanker

if you want to replicate a real dealers choice scenario then you need to be changing every hand, its up to the operators to ensure that the game runs efficiently so its a failing that on the first night there was a departure from a norm.

Ive played the dealers choice games in DTD so I am not getting how it wasnt efficient to change every hand as it ran like a swiss watch over there? anybody care to elaborate? like whats so difficult about a player changing the dealers choice button to their preferred game, the dealer and other players observing this and dealing/playing accordingly.

If you allow a rotation to run for a orbit of the table it wont be long turning into a NLH/PLO round of each game, particularly if you are struggling to arrive at a suitable format for the stud games.

ianmc38

Mellor wrote: »

Glad it worked out.
I didn't know you had intended to play stud games 1/2PL, spread limit is by far a better choice, I imagine it'll stick. also glad Stud Hi/lo made it.

Would really love to be back in dublin for this game. I started playing alot of varients before I left and my only options here are HE or Manilla.

Best of luck next week.

Crown have a load of different donkaments over the next 3ish weeks. Stud, O8 and Pineapple are definitely on. Cash will just be holdem and omaha with a round of each game as well/

Mellor

If you allow a rotation to run for a orbit of the table it wont be long turning into a NLH/PLO round of each game, particularly if you are struggling to arrive at a suitable format for the stud games.

I doubt it would. Certainly if a few who are familar with Stud games play. They would hardly be picking PLO or HE as they'd want to maintain their edge.

ianmc38 wrote: »

Crown have a load of different donkaments over the next 3ish weeks. Stud, O8 and Pineapple are definitely on. Cash will just be holdem and omaha with a round of each game as well/

Yeah, I checked out the crown website. Even their weekly schedule is far better than star cities.

Star city off 3 games a week, one during the day. And the buy-ins aroubd the $300-500 mark.
Crown offer games everyday, accross all buys. Melbourne>Sydney for the pokers.

I won't get down to melbourne before september though. Gonna try sat into the millions i'd say

Sirtoyou

BigCityBanker wrote: »

if you want to replicate a real dealers choice scenario then you need to be changing every hand, its up to the operators to ensure that the game runs efficiently so its a failing that on the first night there was a departure from a norm.

Ive played the dealers choice games in DTD so I am not getting how it wasnt efficient to change every hand as it ran like a swiss watch over there? anybody care to elaborate? like whats so difficult about a player changing the dealers choice button to their preferred game, the dealer and other players observing this and dealing/playing accordingly.

If you allow a rotation to run for a orbit of the table it wont be long turning into a NLH/PLO round of each game, particularly if you are struggling to arrive at a suitable format for the stud games.

You are right Noel and in this case it had nothing to do with the house.The dealers were extremely efficient,I'm sure it will go back to a hand of each in the future but on the night it was a lot of newbies to most of the games live and we just felt that we weren't getting enough out of 1 hand of each game.As it happens plo and holdem were the 2 least picked on the night.
I hope this game takes off and becomes a regular thing.Kudos to the Voodoo club and its staff nice spot.

Flushdraw

Nick V wrote: »

Stud variants will now be played limit with a €1 ante, €2 bring-in and €5/€10 limits.

What sort of stacks were at the table? Sounds like you'd need to have the max buyin to be able to cope with 5/10 limits in stud games

Flushdraw

BigCityBanker wrote: »

if you want to replicate a real dealers choice scenario then you need to be changing every hand, its up to the operators to ensure that the game runs efficiently so its a failing that on the first night there was a departure from a norm.

Ive played the dealers choice games in DTD so I am not getting how it wasnt efficient to change every hand as it ran like a swiss watch over there? anybody care to elaborate? like whats so difficult about a player changing the dealers choice button to their preferred game, the dealer and other players observing this and dealing/playing accordingly.

If you allow a rotation to run for a orbit of the table it wont be long turning into a NLH/PLO round of each game, particularly if you are struggling to arrive at a suitable format for the stud games.

Well the lads said it turned into a NLH/PLO ROE towards the end.

I'd like to play this next week, and i like the idea of a round of the table rather than changing every hand. If i choose O8 as my game, and get dealt A39J, i'd rather be able to fold and still see another 5/6 hands rather play it out of frustration that i might not see the game til the button gets back to me.

I reckon the game would run better being advertised as an 8-game or H.O.R.S.E variant so that games are changed by a predetermined time or a round of the table.

If games were..

H. Holdem
O. Omaha
R. Razz
S. Stud Hi
E. Omaha 8
I. Irish
D. Deuce to 7 Triple Draw
L. Stud Hi/lo

It could be a game of REDS HI LO, HERDS OIL, DO RELISH or I SOLD HER

Conbro

BigCityBanker wrote: »

if you want to replicate a real dealers choice scenario then you need to be changing every hand, its up to the operators to ensure that the game runs efficiently so its a failing that on the first night there was a departure from a norm.



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Firstly were not trying to replicate anything. We took ideas from both mixed game and dealers choice games arriving at a structure that everyone felt comfortable with and was most appropriate for a live game. "A departure from the norm?" There is no norm this was the first night. Were not trying to copy any other game verbatim, more so combining bits of differnent structures to create our own game, a game the players all enjoyed and was very eficiently run. Your criticism of the operators is totally misplaced though, I can only guess how messy it would have become in any other casino in Dublin with less experienced people in charge of us novices. Kudos again to the Voodoo Card Club for hosting a very well run event.

Ive played the dealers choice games in DTD so I am not getting how it wasnt efficient to change every hand as it ran like a swiss watch over there? anybody care to elaborate? like whats so difficult about a player changing the dealers choice button to their preferred game, the dealer and other players observing this and dealing/playing accordingly.

There's nothing really stopping the button being changed every hand and thats how we started the game. However a round of each particular game ensures a better flow to the game. If you saw both formats play out I think you would agree this is the way to go.

If you allow a rotation to run for a orbit of the table it wont be long turning into a NLH/PLO round of each game, particularly if you are struggling to arrive at a suitable format for the stud games

Actually in practice it was quite the opposite. The stud games are chosen more often when a round of the table structure is in place. If I recall correctly, we only played 2 rounds of holdem and 3 rounds of omaha high. As for the stud format, Im quite pleased that we toyed with a few different ideas before settling the best structure. I dont think any of us players are greatly experinced in these games so it was good to see the strengths and weaknesses of the different formats before settling on a 5/10 limit stucture.

Thanks for your contribution Noel and I hope you can join us for a game next Wednesday night
Cheers,
Conor

Conbro

Flushdraw wrote: »

What sort of stacks were at the table? Sounds like you'd need to have the max buyin to be able to cope with 5/10 limits in stud games

From what Ive read Tony the recommended buy in for limit stud games is 40x small bets or 20 x big bets. This would mean a 200 euro buyin would suffice for a 5/10 limit game. Maybe theres someone with more experience playig limit stud to lend their advice here on this matter? This is a link to one site a took a quick read through
http://www.winneronline.com/strategies/7cardstud.htm

smoothcall

BigCityBanker wrote: »

if you want to replicate a real dealers choice scenario then you need to be changing every hand, its up to the operators to ensure that the game runs efficiently so its a failing that on the first night there was a departure from a norm.

Ive played the dealers choice games in DTD so I am not getting how it wasnt efficient to change every hand as it ran like a swiss watch over there? anybody care to elaborate? like whats so difficult about a player changing the dealers choice button to their preferred game, the dealer and other players observing this and dealing/playing accordingly.

If you allow a rotation to run for a orbit of the table it wont be long turning into a NLH/PLO round of each game, particularly if you are struggling to arrive at a suitable format for the stud games.

Conor pretty much explained things, but i'll just add.

With the stud games beeing played properly it gives up your advantage of position. So this would lead it more towards beein a NLH and PLO game. Altought I know v little about the game but it appears that position is even more important in 27 triple draw.

So basically , I thought the game worked alot better as a round of each. Also the dealing / knowledge of the games was flawless

BigCityBanker

my point which I suppose I didnt emphasise enough earleir is that with full orbit rotations I would expect that over time players would tend to revert to NLH and PLO - particularly if they are stuck in the game.

Also - as a solve for the stud issues have you considered 1/2 pot Super Stud - it is one serious action game and id reckon it would be very popular (i sure enjoyed it anyway.) BTW - Super Stud is where every players gets dealt 5 cards face down, in rotation they must discard 2 cards, and expose their chosen 3rd street of choice. The game then proceeds as stud hi/lo.

I hope to be in next week to play.

GKidd

BigCityBanker wrote: »

my point which I suppose I didnt emphasise enough earleir is that with full orbit rotations I would expect that over time players would tend to revert to NLH and PLO - particularly if they are stuck in the game.

Also - as a solve for the stud issues have you considered 1/2 pot Super Stud - it is one serious action game and id reckon it would be very popular (i sure enjoyed it anyway.) BTW - Super Stud is where every players gets dealt 5 cards face down, in rotation they must discard 2 cards, and expose their chosen 3rd street of choice. The game then proceeds as stud hi/lo.

I hope to be in next week to play.

NLH and PLO are great to keep the tyre kickers interested but given the choice I always pick 2-7 or Razz especially when stuck.

Super Stud is great for creating action but tends to kill a DC game by creating too much action. Irish should be sufficient for the moment.

I agree with ROE being introduced to allow the noobs to learn the game but as they become familiar with all games it should revert to hand of each.