European Junior Championships

Pherekydes

So the European Junior Championships begin today in Novi-Sad in Serbia. We have a decent sized and talented team:

Team Selection: European Junior Championships Serbia. July 23rd-26th
100m, 200m Niamh Whelan
100m Eilish Fitzpatrick
100m Hurdles Sandra Lawlor
800m Ciara Everard
3000m Charlotte Ffrench O’Carroll
Shot Putt Claire Fitzgerald
Hammer Aoife Hickey

4 x 100m Niamh Whelan, Eilish Fitzpatrick, Sandra Lawlor, Catherine McManus
Stephaine Creaner

100m, 200m Chris Russell
100m Steven Colvert
400m Billy Ryan
800m Mark Patterson
1500m Paul Robinson
High Jump Kourosh Foroughi
High Jump Barry Pender
Shot Putt, Discus Colin Quirke

4 x 400m Billy Ryan, Jason Harvey, Fearghus Hannon, Eoin Mulhall, Mark Patterson


Medal chances?

Good luck to all!

Pherekydes

Forgot to add the link for timetable, start lists and results.

DJS

Did I read right that there is three lads in the 1500m

Paul Robinson, James O Hare and Ian Ward

Pherekydes

DJS wrote: »

Did I read right that there is three lads in the 1500m

Paul Robinson, James O Hare and Ian Ward

It seems so. They've obviously added to the team since it was picked on July 3rd.

Rineanna

Both Barry Pender and Koroush Faroughi qualify for men's high jump final, with Pender clearing 2.10m and Faroughi clearing the automatic qualifier of 2.15m.

Niamh Whelan qualifies for next round in the 100m, Eilish Fitzpatrick misses out by one place.

Claire Fitzgerald doesn't qualify for shot final.

helpisontheway

Rineanna wrote: »

Both Barry Pender and Koroush Faroughi qualify for men's high jump final, with Pender clearing 2.10m and Faroughi clearing the automatic qualifier of 2.15m.

Niamh Whelan qualifies for next round in the 100m, Eilish Fitzpatrick misses out by one place.

Claire Fitzgerald doesn't qualify for shot final.

Eilish was level with the last girl on 12.20.Did she lose out because she had less of a minus wind? -1.5 opposed to -1.7.
Very poor run by Stephen Colvert 10.83.:(

macshay

I wouldnt be too hard on Stephen Colvert, it was a poor run yes but he is a talent, a talent that needs to be handled carefully, he's at the very early stages of his athletics development and needs to be nurtured. He has the raw talent but needs to progress very gently and not rushed.

Philosophress

In the case of a tie on time to 1/100th of a second the photo-finish judge can then consider the time to 1/1000th of a second in order to separate the athletes. If they still can't be separated and where it is not possible to progress both to the next round then lots are drawn.

thirtyfoot

Billy Ryan is out but with a PB of 48.30.

Unlucky on Eilish.

Colvert can improve a lot. His start and acceleration is brutal. He will get away with that in Ireland but not when against better competition. He'll need to improve on that and I'm sure he will.

HaileGeb

DJS wrote: »

Did I read right that there is three lads in the 1500m

Paul Robinson, James O Hare and Ian Ward

Ian Ward and James O'Hare both got the standard in the same race just after the team was announced. There was sufficient time to add them and its great that they have.

ecoli

macshay wrote: »

I wouldnt be too hard on Stephen Colvert, it was a poor run yes but he is a talent, a talent that needs to be handled carefully, he's at the very early stages of his athletics development and needs to be nurtured. He has the raw talent but needs to progress very gently and not rushed.

Only two months ago that would have been a huge PB for him. I feel people are making him a victim of his own success. He has been racing quite a bit this season mainly off his raw talent might just have been one race to many. A solid winter training and will continue his improvement

helpisontheway

ecoli wrote: »

Only two months ago that would have been a huge PB for him. I feel people are making him a victim of his own success. He has been racing quite a bit this season mainly off his raw talent might just have been one race to many. A solid winter training and will continue his improvement

Who is making a victim of him?I only stated it was a poor run,fact not opinion! He is and will be a fantastic sprinter and i dont think anybody thinks otherwise.

ecoli

helpisontheway wrote: »

Who is making a victim of him?I only stated it was a poor run,fact not opinion! He is and will be a fantastic sprinter and i dont think anybody thinks otherwise.

Sure it off his best by a bit but considering his increase of training only recently to taking the sport more seriously culminating with a long season it was always gonna be hard to keep the level of performance he is at for so long. with this taken into account i dont feel its as much of a poor performance as people make out

Pherekydes

Colin Quirke only managed 50.63m in Discus qualifying. He didn't make the top twelve in the first group.

Rineanna

Pherekydes wrote: »

Colin Quirke only managed 50.63m in Discus qualifying. He didn't make the top twelve in the first group.

This may not be the case, but he seems to peak very early for the outdoor meets in April/May over in the U.S. I think it was the same for last year at the World Juniors too.

HaileGeb

Ciara Everard didn't advance from the heats - 7th in 2 mins 09.97.

DJS

HaileGeb wrote: »

Ian Ward and James O'Hare both got the standard in the same race just after the team was announced. There was sufficient time to add them and its great that they have.

Thats very strange that they got into the team late, and I would have thought if anyone was going to go into that team it should have been Darren Mc Bearty, He had a great season, 2nd in Irish schools, All Ireland Junior Champion and then running quicker then any other junior in the Graded Meeting last wednesday. Beating mark patterson and also rising star paul robinson. I find that hard to belive that Ian ward who has had an ok season nothin to shout about should have went when Darren is left at home

thirtyfoot

DJS wrote: »

Thats very strange that they got into the team late, and I would have thought if anyone was going to go into that team it should have been Darren Mc Bearty, He had a great season, 2nd in Irish schools, All Ireland Junior Champion and then running quicker then any other junior in the Graded Meeting last wednesday. Beating mark patterson and also rising star paul robinson. I find that hard to belive that Ian ward who has had an ok season nothin to shout about should have went when Darren is left at home

Good point. When did McBrearty run that time and when did the boys run theirs?

thirtyfoot

All standards had to be acheived by 13 July. McBrearty ran his 1:50 on July 15 (2 days too late). Ward and O' Hare got theirs on 2 July so inside the EAA cut-off.

Probably explaines it.

DJS

Well doesnt make much of a difference the 1500m lads bomb out of the heats!!

Paul robinson ran 4.16(have no clue what happened her)
Ian Ward 4.03(not bad considering)
James O Hare 3.56(good run, for a 3k/5k runner)

Id like to say im all for bringing bigger teams but i dont like seeing talented athletes who are good enough to go left at home. I dont think irish athletes get enough experince at the international level but when the championships come up everyone expects medals.

Id like to see more international events, I liked the celtic cup for the younger athletes and there was a senior cup aswel, maybe even a junior celtic cup team. Also Schools International used to go to Senior level at XC not any more which is a pitty. I think the more experience they get the better

thirtyfoot

DJS wrote: »

Well doesnt make much of a difference the 1500m lads bomb out of the heats!!

Paul robinson ran 4.16(have no clue what happened her)
Ian Ward 4.03(not bad considering)
James O Hare 3.56(good run, for a 3k/5k runner)

Id like to say im all for bringing bigger teams but i dont like seeing talented athletes who are good enough to go left at home.

How could they send McBrearty when he didn't the standard before the cut-off?

Thats a strange time for Robinson, he must have fallen.

sleapy235

If you take away the excellent performance of the two high jumpers, the results from day one make very depressing reading from an Irosh point of view. Maybe we don't have as much talent at junior level as we'd like to think. But fair play to the two boys, Fouroghi could have an outside chance of a medal in the final if he jumps his best.
Was looking through the start list for the women's 1,500m, Mageean's 4.15 from yesterdar is quicker than any of the entrants PB's. In fact the girl who was 3rd in the Youth Olympics, Amela Terzic of Serbia, has the quickest PB. I wonder if she had known there would be no heats in the EYOF would she have considered thde Euro Juniors? But she's probably better off going home and taking a break after the last couple of weeks, better in the long term.

thirtyfoot

sleapy235 wrote: »

If you take away the excellent performance of the two high jumpers, the results from day one make very depressing reading from an Irosh point of view. Maybe we don't have as much talent at junior level as we'd like to think. But fair play to the two boys, Fouroghi could have an outside chance of a medal in the final if he jumps his best.
Was looking through the start list for the women's 1,500m, Mageean's 4.15 from yesterdar is quicker than any of the entrants PB's. In fact the girl who was 3rd in the Youth Olympics, Amela Terzic of Serbia, has the quickest PB. I wonder if she had known there would be no heats in the EYOF would she have considered thde Euro Juniors? But she's probably better off going home and taking a break after the last couple of weeks, better in the long term.

Yes, after the exploits of the last few days its a bad day at the office for the Juniors. The Youths have us spoiled.

I think its prudent not to have Mageean run Euro Juniors, it would have been 3 majors in 2 weeks and that would be crazy. She'll be around for the next Euro Juniors.

DJS

Tingle wrote: »

Yes, after the exploits of the last few days its a bad day at the office for the Juniors. The Youths have us spoiled.

I think its prudent not to have Mageean run Euro Juniors, it would have been 3 majors in 2 weeks and that would be crazy. She'll be around for the next Euro Juniors.

Would it not be world juniors next year for Ciara?

sleapy235

At last, some more good news. Niamh Whelan through to the 100m final in 11.77, 5th fastest qualifier! She got a bad draw for the final though, lane 8.

Pherekydes

DJS wrote: »

Would it not be world juniors next year for Ciara?

Yes, and she'll be eligible for the next Euro juniors too.

Pherekydes

sleapy235 wrote: »

At last, some more good news. Niamh Whelan through to the 100m final in 11.77, 5th fastest qualifier! She got a bad draw for the final though, lane 8.

Every lane is 100m. I'm pretty sure Allan Wells and Carl Lewis were undaunted by lane 8 draws in successive Olympic finals.

Rineanna

But she's probably better off going home and taking a break after the last couple of weeks, better in the long term.

Definitely. Once upon a time I may have been greedy as a spectator and thwide, but she's been and medalled at two international championships in the past fortnight and I'd imagine her start of season goals have been met. The fact that she's eligible for the next edition of both the Euro and World Junior is mind blowing, and makes it a lot easier for her to sjip this year's edition and rest up.

sleapy235 wrote: »

If you take away the excellent performance of the two high jumpers, the results from day one make very depressing reading from an Irosh point of view. Maybe we don't have as much talent at junior level as we'd like to think. But fair play to the two boys,

With respect, I think depressing may be a tad overkill .

sleapy235

Well I got a bit depressed reading them! But I guess there are positives to focus on, Pender, Fouroghi and Whelan, and also Ryan ran a PB in the 400m.

Rineanna

sleapy235 wrote: »

Well I got a bit depressed reading them! But I guess there are positives to focus on, Pender, Fouroghi and Whelan, and also Ryan ran a PB in the 400m.

Exactly my point of view. Plus the number and breadth of athletes competing is un-precedented. Let's not forget that there are some notable Olympic, World, Euro medallists today that never touched certain underage medals with a barge pole.

sleapy235

Exactly my point of view. Plus the number and breadth of athletes competing is un-precedented. Let's not forget that there are some notable Olympic, World, Euro medallists today that never touched certain underage medals with a barge pole.

Yes some athletes certainly develop at different rates to others. Who knows, some of those that maybe struggled a bit in Novi Sad could be the big stars of Irish athletics in the future, and not those who have been winning medals of late. But hopefully they all will! And it is good to see us being represented in such a wide variety of disciplines, its not long ago that it was all middle and long distance runners.

hurdler2009

Mark Patterson is the 5th fastest qualifier for the semi finals of the 800m with 1:51.43!:D

HaileGeb

Mark Patterson is through to the semi finals of the 800m. He was 4th in his heat in 1 min 51.43 and was an automatic qualifier. A good start to the day!!

SloggerJogger

Aoife Hickey fails to make the mark of 58m to qualify for hammer final!! Her best throw of 50.32

hurdler2009

Niamh Whelan looks to have finished 4th in the final of the 100m! Tha times are not up yet.
Photofinish:http://www.sportresult.com/sports/la/framework/user_files/2009/novisad/pf/1010040.jpg

EDIT: Yep 4th with a swift 11.63 P.B.

Philosophress

11.63 for Whelan - new PB!

http://www.sportresult.com/sports/la/framework/user_files/2009/novisad/pdf/re1010040.pdf

Stupid_Private

I've got to say this last few weeks has been deadly. It seems that everytime I open my google reader there's a new article from the AAI saying another young athlete has medaled, broken a record, qualified for a final. Long may it continue.

ecoli

Stupid_Private wrote: »

I've got to say this last few weeks has been deadly. It seems that everytime I open my google reader there's a new article from the AAI saying another young athlete has medaled, broken a record, qualified for a final. Long may it continue.

And it comes at the perfect time culminating with the increased popularity of the sport through the Bolt factor with the development of these athletes means it could be an exciting time for irish athletics in terms of performances and popularity in the coming years

sleapy235

Some running from Christophe Lemaitre, 10.04 with only a +0.2 following wind. Dare I say it will he be the first white man under 10 seconds? (I know race shouldn't be an issue but should he run sub 10 it will get more media attention than most other sub 10 clockings).
With him and Guliyev from Azerbaijan coming on the scene it looks like the future could be bright for European sprinting.

RealistSpy

I think all these athlete are doing very well. Any news about Russell?

helpisontheway

RealistSpy wrote: »

I think all these athlete are doing very well. Any news about Russell?

He never ran and never intended to run! Been injured for a while and just took the free trip.

RealistSpy

Darn He could have won the 200m race. What sort of Injury? If you know

Pherekydes

RealistSpy wrote: »

Darn He could have won the 200m race.

:eek: The fastest athlete entered holds the European Junior record at 20.04. There's another guy with a 20.41. Chris is ranked 28 in Europe this year with 21.46. Hopefully he'll recover fully from his injury and improve his PB by a big chunk next year.

hurdler2009

helpisontheway wrote: »

He never ran and never intended to run! Been injured for a while and just took the free trip.

It's a bit of a joke really he should never have been let go since he was unable to prove his fitness beforehand.

Niamh Whelan through to the 200m final as a fastest loser with 24.60!:)

HaileGeb

Mark Patterson is through to the final of the 800m. He qualfied yesterday - we are getting strong at this evnt, Chamney and Campbell raising the bar at senior level. Patterson now and the likes of McBrearty at junior level makes for exciting times!!

Pherekydes

Don't forget the 4x4 boys! They made the final, too.

Actually, there were only nine entries, so they only had to avoid finishing last in their semi, which they did easily.

HaileGeb

Niamh Whelen 7th in the 200m final in 24.37. Very solid championships from Niamh. Lets hope she now makes a smooth transition into U23 an Senior Athletics.

onelapman

helpisontheway wrote: »

He never ran and never intended to run! Been injured for a while and just took the free trip.

Mate, you have no idea what was going on with Chris and just to let you know(not that it matters because who the f##k are you?) but he offered the AAI to take him out of the trip because he was unsure and they insisted on bringing him. Not only was he trying his best to get back in shape but he was gutted when he had to pull out. Free trip my bollocks. I would suggest you keep your ignorant opinions to yourself.

RoyMcC

Lovely first post directed at one of our most constructive posters. Keep up the high standards you have set for yourself.

HaileGeb

RoyMcC wrote: »

Lovely first post directed at one of our most constructive posters. Keep up the high standards you have set for yourself.

I'm not defending the manner or the language used but that is what happens when you offer an opinion without any real knowledge of the situation. The same way that Tingle et al jumped to the defence of Brian Gregan, this guy came on for do likewise for Chris Russell. The difference was he started typing when the red mist was still descending!!! Neither athlete deserved criticism; injury for any athlete is as frustrating as it gets.
Maybe there is a lesson there for us all!

Dr Watson

sleapy235 wrote: »

Some running from Christophe Lemaitre, 10.04 with only a +0.2 following wind. Dare I say it will he be the first white man under 10 seconds? (I know race shouldn't be an issue but should he run sub 10 it will get more media attention than most other sub 10 clockings).
With him and Guliyev from Azerbaijan coming on the scene it looks like the future could be bright for European sprinting.

He was the athlete that we were all complaining about for getting in a recent A race over Hession

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UInm-03VilE&NR=1