Hi. I would appreciate advice on this.

shmux

I welcome all views but please do not suggest I get professional help.

Ireland has recently experienced economic growth and the women here (18-30) look amazing. Like girls in an MTV video! Rates of premarital sex have increased.

On one hand I feel rage that the woman I end up with will have a sexual history. The older generation was very Catholic and had good values.

On the other hand I'm frustrated that I'M not having sex with any of these girls. I dislike "the game" of men lying to women, women believing them and letting the men have sex with them.

HELP!!! I'm in a lose lose situation.

Any answers would be greatly appreciated.

Zaph

Any answers to what exactly? I'm failing to see where the PI is, and unless you can demonstrate one I'm locking this thread.

In addition, the default font is perfectly adequate, please don't mess around with it needlessly.

Sinall

shmux wrote: »

I dislike "the game" of men lying to women, women believing them and letting the men have sex with them.

I think perhaps an adjustment of the way you look at things would help. It's not about women "letting" men have sex with them - women like to have sex too and enjoy it as much as men! We even have sex drives!

Is it that you specifically want to meet a virgin? I don't know, but there are probably dating/social groups for people who choose to abstain from sex until marriage.

Your attitude towards women and sex is worrying. You seem annoyed that women aren't having sex with you, but also angry at women for having previous sexual partners? Most people have had sex before marriage nowadays and there isn't really a solution to your issue. You either need to find a way to adjust your way of thinking, or put up with the issue!

Do you have many female friends? Maybe that would help you understand the modern woman!

shmux

Zaph wrote: »

Any answers to what exactly? I'm failing to see where the PI is, and unless you can demonstrate one I'm locking this thread.

In addition, the default font is perfectly adequate, please don't mess around with it needlessly.

I thought I was quite clear.

I am in a lose lose situation.

On one hand I'm frustrated not to be "nailing" all the hot girls out there due to my moral stance on "the game".

On the other, I'm annoyed my future wife will have this large sexual history.

Edgedinblue

not all women are the same and are all out riding men every night ya know!

shmux

Sinall wrote: »

I think perhaps an adjustment of the way you look at things would help. It's not about women "letting" men have sex with them - women like to have sex too and enjoy it as much as men! We even have sex drives!

Is it that you specifically want to meet a virgin? I don't know, but there are probably dating/social groups for people who choose to abstain from sex until marriage.

Your attitude towards women and sex is worrying. You seem annoyed that women aren't having sex with you, but also angry at women for having previous sexual partners? Most people have had sex before marriage nowadays and there isn't really a solution to your issue. You either need to find a way to adjust your way of thinking, or put up with the issue!

Do you have many female friends? Maybe that would help you understand the modern woman!

Thanks for your input

davestar

there's a few ripe 10 year olds out there

Sinall

shmux wrote: »

I thought I was quite clear.

I am in a lose lose situation.

On one hand I'm frustrated not to be "nailing" all the hot girls out there due to my moral stance on "the game".

On the other, I'm annoyed my future wife will have this large sexual history.

It's not about the game IMO. It's about two people meeting who are attracted to each other and want to have sex (sometimes within a relationship and sometimes outside of one!) and who then proceed to have sex. There usually isn't any trickery involved.

And your future wife might not have a "large" sexual history (although this is relative, everyone probably has a different opinion of what is "large"), but to increase your chances of meeting said future wife, an adjustment of your attitudes towards women and sex is probably in order.

shmux

davestar wrote: »

there's a few ripe 10 year olds out there

Unless you're being sarcastic I believe thats illegal

shmux

Sinall wrote: »

It's not about the game IMO. It's about two people meeting who are attracted to each other and want to have sex (sometimes within a relationship and sometimes outside of one!) and who then proceed to have sex. There usually isn't any trickery involved.

And your future wife might not have a "large" sexual history (although this is relative, everyone probably has a different opinion of what is "large"), but to increase your chances of meeting said future wife, an adjustment of your attitudes towards women and sex is probably in order.

yeah, thanks again

LeotheLion

I suggest you get professional help.

Zaph

davestar wrote: »

there's a few ripe 10 year olds out there

Banned for 1 week

Max_Damage

Jaysus, this is some mad PI!

I reckon After Hours would be the best place for this.

Zaph

Max_Damage wrote: »

Jaysus, this is some mad PI!

I reckon After Hours would be the best place for this.

If you have an issue with a particular post please use the report post button rather than commenting on-thread. Thanks.

LegacyUser

shmux wrote: »

On the other, I'm annoyed my future wife will have this large sexual history.

Well wait until you meet a partner who has the same sexual history as you i.e. none.....

unhappycamper

My friend was of the same moral way of thinking, he is in the US now and has completely changed his ways! Have fun and drop the Catholic guilt thing because you will lose out my friend when your old and full of regrets!

BlackandGold

Annoyed because you're not having sex? Look, people often get this feeling of the grass is greener. It's not. From what you've said, you'd only be comfortable having sex in a loving relationship. And there's nothing wrong with that. You just have to relax and meet people. Don't be expectant of sex.

If you want, you could probably go out and pull a random bird for the night. But I don't think your heart is in it, so why lust after something that you can't have? And I mean you can't have it because you don't WANT it.

Also, like was said already, not every girl will have a huge sexual history. Inevitably it all depends on what sort of girls you're attracted to and whether they're attracted to you. If you don't want to hear the answer regarding sexual partners, then don't ask! Just make sure you've got the all clear with STI's......

PK2008

shmux wrote: »

I dislike "the game" of men lying to women, women believing them and letting the men have sex with them.

HELP!!! I'm in a lose lose situation.

Men dont need to lie to have sex with women, many men and women engage in sex because they simply like it and are attracted to each other.

It sounds like you are trying to compensate for your lack of success with women by deluding yourself that it is because of your high moral standards.

If you are religious then I suggest you seek out religious groups who share your views on sexuality- there you may also find a woman whose sexual history is more to your standards.

(Judge not lest ye be judged)

seamus

shmux wrote: »

On one hand I'm frustrated not to be "nailing" all the hot girls out there due to my moral stance on "the game".

On the other, I'm annoyed my future wife will have this large sexual history.

I say this in the nicest possible way: Get over yourself.

Life will not be as you want it to be. All young men want a virgin wife (or at least one who's not "tainted") yet at the same time would like to bang everything which has two legs and long hair.

It's one of the many emotional hypocrasies that lots of men emerge from their teenage years with. We expect to be able to do one thing and expect our women to do something else. Get over it. Accept that women are other people and not just simple objects for you to desire and no-one else to touch. What a woman has or hasn't done before meeting you is none of your business.

Ickle Magoo

OP,

You don't really believe that women just have sex with men who lie to them? It doesn't suggest you have a very high opinion of either sex. For the most part people have sex because they want to, with whom they want to.

There are lots of people who wait to have sex with someone special, I don't know why you can't just wait until you find one of them. Also, if you are frustrated and wanting in on the action then I'm not sure why you would be surprised that your prospective wife may choose not to be a virgin.

You need to brush up your chat-up technique and stop telling yourself that it's just girls falling for other guys lies (I'd say that and your conservative views on women's sexualities aren't going to help your cause) - and/or have more realistic expectations of a woman's sexual history in Ireland in 2009.

Best of luck.

Drexel

Honestly OP. What is wrong with you. I think u really do need to seek some form of professional help. Where are you gettin the idea that men lie to women to have sex with them? Can i ask are you a virgin? If not then why is it ok for you to 'nail' as u put it other women, but u want a virgin. What is up with you. Ur are a bit mental!!! Go out, have fun and meet someone u like and try to go off with them without lyin. Maybe all u need is a good ride??? Oh and what excatly is the game? Ur mad!

philologos

shmux wrote: »

Ireland has recently experienced economic growth and the women here (18-30) look amazing. Like girls in an MTV video! Rates of premarital sex have increased.

On one hand I feel rage that the woman I end up with will have a sexual history. The older generation was very Catholic and had good values.

On the other hand I'm frustrated that I'M not having sex with any of these girls. I dislike "the game" of men lying to women, women believing them and letting the men have sex with them.

HELP!!! I'm in a lose lose situation.

Any answers would be greatly appreciated.

OP: What I'm seeing here, is that you think that the women here are of a high standard, and that they are deserving of better than what men in society are giving them. That's something I can somewhat understand, however, we cannot stop people from doing what they will do and people will be accountable for their own actions.

You mention Catholicism and good values, and I think you are right. Catholicism as a subset of Christianity in general does promote good values particularly in relation to sexuality in terms of respect for women. I'm just wondering, are you a Catholic yourself, or do you just appreciate their values?

As for women and them having a sexual history. I would suggest that you find groups with common viewpoints to yourself on this issue. Perhaps meeting women through church run events and other things might be a path for you. I don't know how involved you are in the church in Ireland.

If you don't want to specifically seek women who do share the same values as you, you will have to loosen your restrictions a bit. You have to remember that when you examine yourself, you will have things that you have done that you are ashamed of in the past, or ways in which you have made mistakes. Would you prefer to be forgiven or stereotyped forever for your opinion?

Get back to me if you can

unhappycamper wrote: »

My friend was of the same moral way of thinking, he is in the US now and has completely changed his ways! Have fun and drop the Catholic guilt thing because you will lose out my friend when your old and full of regrets!

Why should the OP lose his moral way of thinking? I personally feel it is more that the OP is overly judgemental. Whether people like or or not, we have to let people decide for themselves.

As for the "Catholic guilt". I'd love it if someone could merely describe to me what they mean by this term sometime. If the OP has faith, I don't think it is useful advice to tell him to lose Catholicism.

PK2008 wrote: »

It sounds like you are trying to compensate for your lack of success with women by deluding yourself that it is because of your high moral standards.

I think this is just a bit harsh.

PK2008 wrote: »

If you are religious then I suggest you seek out religious groups who share your views on sexuality- there you may also find a woman whose sexual history is more to your standards.

Good advice.

PK2008 wrote: »

(Judge not lest ye be judged)

Indeed, we all have mistakes. That doesn't mean that we have to applaud or support the mistakes of others though.

bronte

Find a dating group for people who abstain before marriage.
That is the only thing you can do.
Do you honestly expect to sow your wild oats and then judge others for having intimate relationships?

tbh

Jakkass wrote: »

Why should the OP lose his moral way of thinking? I personally feel it is more that the OP is overly judgemental. Whether people like or or not, we have to let people decide for themselves.

As for the "Catholic guilt". I'd love it if someone could merely describe to me what they mean by this term sometime. If the OP has faith, I don't think it is useful advice to tell him to lose Catholicism.

there are many things which, to a non-religious person, are perfectly natural, normal and acceptable, like masturbation, sex before marriage and contraception, which the Catholic church, in it's position as the educator of the majority of children in this state, would describe as morally sick and evil. Therefore, when people grow up and learn to think for themselves, even tho they know at a concious level that masturbation is perfectly ok, they cannot rid themselves of this vague notion that they are evil, sick people who are going to hell for touching themselves, because this is what was drummed into them at school. This is catholic guilt.

Also, Jakkass, I'd advise you to read the OP again. The guy isn't struggling with his faith. He wants to have sex with these "slappers", he just can't get any of them to have sex with him.

Noffles

Here we bloody go again.... religion religion religion..... what is it with these people... And in particular this one....??

Women aren't having sex with me... But I want to meet a woman without a sexual history??/ WHAT???

Stop trying to follow a poxy religion get out there and live like a normal person that isn't governed by a million year old text that basically says "Thou shalt not..." to pretty much anything enjoyable....!!

OS119

OP, move to Saudi Arabia, convert to Islam and do what their randy, but alledgedly pious, young men do.

they 'use' women of pakistani origin (there are lots of them KSA, often working in the domestic sector) as whores/rape victims so they can sow their merry seed, but crucially, because these women aren't seen as 'good Muslim women', they don't count when it comes to the wedding night question of 'have you done this before?'.

just so you know, you do need professional help - or prison.

kittenkiller

shmux wrote: »

On the other, I'm annoyed my future wife will have this large sexual history.

To be honest I can't see this being an issue for you until you amend how you view women, sex and relationships.
It's very unlikely that you'll be able to find a wife until you resolve these issues.

eightyfish

shmux wrote: »

I dislike "the game" of men lying to women, women believing them and letting the men have sex with them.

Can I ask, what do you think men are ubiquitously lying to women about?

philologos

tbh wrote: »

there are many things which, to a non-religious person, are perfectly natural, normal and acceptable, like masturbation, sex before marriage and contraception, which the Catholic church, in it's position as the educator of the majority of children in this state, would describe as morally sick and evil. Therefore, when people grow up and learn to think for themselves, even tho they know at a concious level that masturbation is perfectly ok, they cannot rid themselves of this vague notion that they are evil, sick people who are going to hell for touching themselves, because this is what was drummed into them at school. This is catholic guilt.

I have never heard of these actions being referred to as any more than a sin. I don't think it's appropriate to tell people that they have "Catholic guilt". I mean is there such thing as Protestant guilt, Jewish guilt, Islamic guilt, Secular guilt. It's a joke.

tbh wrote: »

Also, Jakkass, I'd advise you to read the OP again. The guy isn't struggling with his faith. He wants to have sex with these "slappers", he just can't get any of them to have sex with him.

I did read the OP again, and I was left to wonder what the OP meant by Catholic values, I left the possibility in that he could be Catholic. However I said that I wasn't sure in my post.

Noffles wrote: »

Stop trying to follow a poxy religion get out there and live like a normal person that isn't governed by a million year old text that basically says "Thou shalt not..." to pretty much anything enjoyable....!!

This is the worst advice you could give to anyone of any belief. Just to tell you.

tbh

Jakkass wrote: »

I have never heard of these actions being referred to as any more than a sin.

what happens to sinners? they go to hell if they don't repent.

This is the worst advice you could give to anyone of any belief. Just to tell you.

any belief? Like, the belief that fire cures headaches? Just because you believe strongly in something, doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous to someone else.

Miss Fluff

shmux wrote: »

On one hand I feel rage that the woman I end up with will have a sexual history. The older generation was very Catholic and had good values.

On the other hand I'm frustrated that I'M not having sex with any of these girls. I dislike "the game" of men lying to women, women believing them and letting the men have sex with them.

It's funny how you pre-empted responses to your post by asking people not to recommend you get professional help, I think it would be certainly worthwhile looking into. You seem to have a fundamentally very warped and immature attitude towards sex.

You DO realise one hopes that consenting non-married adults can love one another and have a great sex life? It's not a case of women "LETTING" men having sex with them.....shock horror but we enjoy it as much as men!!:eek:

the_god_swan

shmux wrote: »

I get professional help.

Ireland has recently experienced economic growth and the women here (18-30) look amazing. Like girls in an MTV video! Rates of premarital sex have increased.

On one hand I feel rage that the woman I end up with will have a sexual history. The older generation was very Catholic and had good values.

On the other hand I'm frustrated that I'M not having sex with any of these girls. I dislike "the game" of men lying to women, women believing them and letting the men have sex with them.

HELP!!! I'm in a lose lose situation.

Any answers would be greatly appreciated.

No wonder your head is so fcuked when your following a book that clearly reads, and i quote..

'The Book of Deuteronomy :
22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.'

The root of your problem is religion OP, not society, not men, not women and not the way in which they interact sexually.
I would question how you got this level of thought living and growing up in Ireland (i assume)?

philologos

tbh wrote: »

what happens to sinners? they go to hell if they don't repent.

Yes, but if you are of faith, you have no need for guilt. The one who believes will not be condemned, the one who does not is condemned already. Let's leave the theology out of this though. That isn't guilt.

tbh wrote: »

any belief? Like, the belief that fire cures headaches? Just because you believe strongly in something, doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous to someone else.

It's appalling advice to tell someone to lose their belief in order to solve a problem when there are other clear ways of doing so.

Miss Fluff wrote: »

It's funny how you pre-empted responses to your post by asking people not to recommend you get professional help, I think it would be certainly worthwhile looking into. You seem to have a fundamentally very warped and immature attitude towards sex.

I think this is absurd. This guy doesn't need any counselling or any form of professional help and it's unfair to say that someone does because they do not share your views. Please, just be a bit fair.

He doesn't even need to change his views, rather all he has to understand is that people in his opinion have made mistakes, and so has he. So who is he to say that he is any better than anyone else?

I don't think it is a warped and immature attitude to have conservative beliefs concerning sexuality.

eightyfish

Jakkass wrote: »

Let's leave the theology out of this though.

+1

the_god_swan

Jakkass wrote: »

Let's leave the theology out of this though. That isn't guilt.

I disagree; its the source of his problem, guilt, confusion with modern society. Which are the reasons he is in PI asking for help, is it not?

Send him a few of your many many links from the footer of your posts, Im sure you both can pick and choose a moral ground that suits him, a classic Christian trait! :rolleyes:

philologos

the_god_swan wrote: »

I disagree; its the source of his problem, guilt, confusion with modern society. Which are the reasons he is in PI asking for help, is it not?

I don't think there is anything wrong with him personally. Just that he needs to take his disagreements with the way these people are acting into perspective. Are these people any worse than he is? I'd argue no.

I personally would share the view of sex as being something to be shared in marriage, but it's obvious that people will shift to other viewpoints.

I think the OP is perfectly in modern society, he just disagrees with the way that certain people do things in modern society. I think everyone disagrees with the way that some other people do things in modern society. That doesn't mean you need professional help.

the_god_swan wrote: »

Send him a few of your many many links from the footer of your posts, Im sure you both can pick and choose a moral ground that suits him, a classic Christian trait! :rolleyes:

Or I could just ask him to seek a merciful understanding of other peoples sins. I could ask him to look to himself and see if he is squeaky clean in terms of his sin record.

Sexual record isn't the only thing that matters, infact the sexual record is quite insignificant as at least that is over when it is over, problems with ideology can remain for years.

I said I was going to leave the theology off the thread.

RossFixxxed

the_god_swan wrote: »

I disagree; its the source of his problem, guilt, confusion with modern society. Which are the reasons he is in PI asking for help, is it not?

Send him a few of your many many links from the footer of your posts, Im sure you both can pick and choose a moral ground that suits him, a classic Christian trait! :rolleyes:

Oh for the love of... Look what is with the religious sniping? Grow up here for a minute and leave the self righteous stuff out of it for 2 minutes (and I say that as an atheist thanks).

OP: You feel RAGE at this? Strong word. You will have to decide to either 1) 'nail' those chicks (nice wording too, there's a lot of frustrated aggressive language) and have fun doing it. OR
2) Don't.

If you want a woman without a large sexual history you will just need to vet who you meet. There's all kinds of women out there and not all of them are mad slappers, and not all of em are pure virgins. There's about 3 and a bit billion varieties out there!

You seem aggressively frustrated. What's at the root of all this?

Xiney

This thread isn't about religion.

Any more off topic posts will earn bans.

Ta.

Xiney

the_god_swan

RossFixxxed wrote: »

OP: You feel RAGE at this? Strong word. You will have to decide to either 1) 'nail' those chicks (nice wording too, there's a lot of frustrated aggressive language) and have fun doing it. OR
2) Don't.

You seem aggressively frustrated. What's at the root of all this?

I dont think the OP is even going to be able to comprehend your choice of wording 'nail those chicks' or 'don't'. Re-read his original post, his thinking is too far removed for the average people on here, no offence OP.

My final comment on this because i need to concentrate on work, OP the answers you seek are not to be found from anyone on PI. Talk to close friends who i assume are as close to the church as you, and have went either/both direction(s). Let them tell you their thoughts.

Dublin_Gunner

OP - what I get from your original post is this.

You want to find a good looking woman, preferably a virgin, who is willing to jump into bed with you at the first opportunity??

I feel a little worried for you, as this way of thinking is not going to get you ANYWHERE, let alone laid.

Where are you from? (not trying to pry, just trying to understand) because from that post I would find it hard to believe that you are form Ireland - or even any Western country.

Women have sex - most likely before you have met them. Its actually better that way IMO. Having sex with a woman who is very inexperienced can be extremely frustrating - unless you're a missionary-wham-bam thank-you-'mam-2 minute-type-of-guy.

Seriously, you need to get a grip of things. You're not going to find what you seem to be looking for in your OP, unless you go for (these days) someone underage.

Guys & Gals are having sex everywhere, from a young age these days. Believe it or not, I've even met some women who actually LIKE sex

You can't have it everyway OP, you need to do a little growing up, maturing and gain a bit of realisation here.

**

The_god_swan exactly where does the OP state in any of his posts that his decisions are religiously based?? He stated himself that he's "frustrated that I'M not having sex with any of these girls" hardly a religious view.

Now please take your own religious views and values elsewhere - they're not welcomed to be pushed down peoples throats.

dearg lady

Jakkass wrote: »

I think this is absurd. This guy doesn't need any counselling or any form of professional help and it's unfair to say that someone does because they do not share your views. Please, just be a bit fair.

He doesn't even need to change his views, rather all he has to understand is that people in his opinion have made mistakes, and so has he. So who is he to say that he is any better than anyone else?

I don't think it is a warped and immature attitude to have conservative beliefs concerning sexuality.

Jakkass, I must be honest and say I wouldn't share your religious views, however, leaving all that aside, it does seem that the OP has some serious issues. If his opinion was that he wanted to remain a virgin until married, and hoped his future wife would share his views, fine, that's completely his decison. However, he both wants to sleep with the beautiful women of Ireland, and also marry a virgin...is that not a little bit hypocritical?

I do firmly believe that he has serious issues with his ideas on women and sex, I don't agree that giving up his faith is the answer, but I do think professional help is needed. i know that's not what you wanted to hear OP but I think it could help you. Best of luck

tbh

I think the OP just needs to get laid. It's all building up in his head, he wants something really badly but can't get it, so he's angry at the people who are "denying" him what he "needs". Note the quotes there

Once it happens, it probably won't be such a big deal.

Gyalist

Classic case of Madonna-Whore Complex. Not in the strict Freudian sense but more in the "pop culture" definition of the term.

LegacyUser

shmux wrote: »

I get professional help.

Ireland has recently experienced economic growth and the women here (18-30) look amazing.

Im a girl turning 30 next year. So is that my cut off for lloking amazing!?

LegacyUser

I also think the OP could do with some professional help. I know you asked us not to recommend this, but I really think it could help. You seem to have a very warped view of sex and women which is something you really need to address. You also seem very angry at the world.

Your post seems very misogynistic, you want to have sex with women but you don't seem to have respect for women that have a sexual history. Can you see how this is hypocritical?

Women do not have sex with men because they have been tricked and lyed to, they have sex because they want to and enjoy it, just like meant. It seems to me that you are deluding yourself that the reason you haven't slept with all off these women you find attractive is because you aren't prepared to lie to them. That is not true OP, if you want to have a sexual relationship with a women all you need to do is meet one that likes you and is attracted to and wants to have sex as much as you do. Not lies needed. Your lack of success so far is likely to be due to your attitude to women and I am afraid unless you are preparred to address this attitude, I can't see many women being interested.

Dublin_Gunner

Unregistered wrote: »

Im a girl turning 30 next year. So is that my cut off for lloking amazing!?

Yes.

Apparently.

The OP has the remarkable ability of telling what age women are by looking at them in the street. He will recognise you as being outside of the amazing looking 18 - 30 group come your next birthday

Be warned.

RossFixxxed

Unregistered wrote: »

Im a girl turning 30 next year. So is that my cut off for lloking amazing!?

Exactly at 12:00 on your birthday! :pac: Ah look his view of women is horribly distorted, and that's what I'm wondering about. When / where did this happen? Is it just sexual frustration or something deeper / worse?

TwoShedsJackson

'I welcome all views, except of course the ones I've already ruled out or otherwise disagree with' :rolleyes:

DeCoR18

Hey OP,

Here on ExtremeLiberals.ie people are so entreched in their post modern attempt at morality, they cannot even fathom an argument against the feminist free for all we live in. Thus the ridiculous comments that you need professional help.

Op its perfectly normal to have criteria for a good wife/girlfriend. Its also perfectly normal to have temptations as sex is all around us, however you do need to make a decision on the type of lifestyle you want to lead.

You can act on those temptations and find a random club slut and contribute to your original problem of finding a good woman.

Or you can take the more difficult road of finding the right woman for you.

Good luck with your decision.

LegacyUser

DeCoR18 wrote: »

feminist free for all.

Feminiist free for all??? What exactly are you talkin about there? that girls are goin out shaggin all round them? if they are so what. its their life let them live it the way they want. ye people. What do ye want from women? A nice virgin girl who will love honour and obey ye at all times? Get real will ya.

LegacyUser

DeCoR18 wrote: »

Hey OP,

Here on ExtremeLiberals.ie people are so entreched in their post modern attempt at morality, they cannot even fathom an argument against the feminist free for all we live in. Thus the ridiculous comments that you need professional help.

Op its perfectly normal to have criteria for a good wife/girlfriend. Its also perfectly normal to have temptations as sex is all around us, however you do need to make a decision on the type of lifestyle you want to lead.

You can act on those temptations and find a random club slut and contribute to your original problem of finding a good woman.

Or you can take the more difficult road of finding the right woman for you.

Good luck with your decision.

It sounds to me like u and the OP hate women. 'random club slut'?? What excatly is that? Are girls who go to clubs sluts?