Wrestling Pet Peeves

The Cannibal

What are everyone's pet peeves when it comes to wrestling?

* That wrestlers seem to think that a weak ass trash can is a believable weapon.

* When a match is No DQ and as soon as you grab a weapon the ref is like "No, no, no, that's too far" in a kind of mock protest.

* "Celebrity" matches where the celebrity goes over.

* The ref bump. I understand that it is neccessary sometimes, but surely they can be more creative than guy getting a slight knock and being out for 10 minutes only to miraculously recover when it's time to count 3.

* The mystery limo, "Who's inside!?"

Diabhal Beag

The same finishers used by different wrestlers. Why are there so amny DDTs and Clotheslines and Neckbreakers in wrestling. It pisses my the **** off :mad:

EdK

The non calling of finishers

Calling moves wrong

Announcers pretending they don't know who people are (during the wrestlers second run or whatever)

Penn

Making the winner obvious in the promos before it.

Bought the 2009 Royal Rumble a few weeks ago (I don't actually watch wrestling on telly, no Sky or anything, just catch a few PPVs and look up results etc). The video at the start showed loads of wrestlers with the theme music blaring in the background, then when Orton came up everything slowed down, and it showed clips of the previous few weeks, and showed Orton over and over again. Then during the thing, they showed Orton arriving at the arena.

Yup. I was shocked when I saw who won the Rumble. Couldn't believe my eyes.

The winner of the Rumble, and other matches, should always be, not a shock, but shouldn't be so blatently obvious.

krudler

Refs being conveniently distracted while a posse of the heels friends kick the living shyte out of the face in the corner, as if he cant hear the grunts and kicks and feel the ring shaking under hit feet from all the commotion, stupid spot thats stuck in the 80s

EdK

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Making the winner obvious in the promos before it.

Bought the 2009 Royal Rumble a few weeks ago (I don't actually watch wrestling on telly, no Sky or anything, just catch a few PPVs and look up results etc). The video at the start showed loads of wrestlers with the theme music blaring in the background, then when Orton came up everything slowed down, and it showed clips of the previous few weeks, and showed Orton over and over again. Then during the thing, they showed Orton arriving at the arena.

Yup. I was shocked when I saw who won the Rumble. Couldn't believe my eyes.

The winner of the Rumble, and other matches, should always be, not a shock, but shouldn't be so blatently obvious.

Very true about this years rumble, I remember thinking the same myself at the time

michael.etc...

EdK wrote: »

Very true about this years rumble, I remember thinking the same myself at the time

Not just this rumble, but almost every rumble. It boggles my mind that in the weeks leading up to it, the majority, if not all the wrestlers involved, don't get to cut a promo on wanting to win it. Like at the very least we should get the impression more than two or three want to, or can win.

Another huge peeve of mine is Title matches where the champion comes out first. Drives me NUTS.

Ruu_Old

It was probably ages ago but in tag matches, partner on the apron used to hold onto a string. I don't think this happens anymore, or it is just used to choke people when the blind referee is telling off someone with his back turned?

Tricity Bendix

Models and centrefolds pinning women who have supposedly been training for years.

Commentators seem to have shorter memories than goldfish. Matt Striker is the only one in the WWE who seems to recall the results of previous matches.

michael.etc...

Ruu wrote: »

It was probably ages ago but in tag matches, partner on the apron used to hold onto a string. I don't think this happens anymore, or it is just used to choke people when the blind referee is telling off someone with his back turned?

I remember a couple of years back they made a point of telling wrestlers specifically to hold the tag ropes, and emphasize it as a rule. I think it was when they were obsessed with having the referees exhibit more authority. That lasted a long time.....

The Cannibal

I thought the tag ropes a couple of years ago were just for the Guerrero's to cheat creatively when they were doing the "We lie, we cheat, we steal" thing.

grames_bond

the raw/sd before a PPV, big feud they tell you who is going to win, lets say HHH vs Orton for example, HHH is laid out cold in that show with orton standing above him holding the belt....that means HHH is going to win at the PPV.....never fails, it has been like that for years!

currythis

Michael Cole calling nearly every main event on raw each week the biggest in raw history!

Michael Cole continuosly getting moves wrong(he called ortons obvious rko from the top rope on evan bourne a few weeks ago a neckbreaker ffs!)

The fact that Michael Cole has been employed in the WWE for the last decade or so.

Machismo Fan

currythis wrote: »

Michael Cole continuosly getting moves wrong(he called ortons obvious rko from the top rope on evan bourne a few weeks ago a neckbreaker ffs!)

The fact that Michael Cole has been employed in the WWE for the last decade or so.

To be fair to Cole, during his run with JBL and Tazz on Smackdown he was pretty good but ever since his move to Raw he has been atrocious. He actually called it a bulldog and if I were Bourne after that I would have been pretty annoyed as that was a big spot to miscall and hugely undersell.

The Cannibal

Guys who do half hearted Irish whips. It looks ridiculous when a guy barely tugs on the other guys wrist and he runs all the way to the opposite corner. At least make it look like you are forcing the guy across.

Jolt2007

Chops! And when people obey rules in a No Disqualification match, like breaking submissions when the other reaches the ropes or No DQ tag matches where two guys just stand on the apron like it's a regular tag match, just watching on as their partner gets whipped.

Oh, oh, and the way people happen to react in certain ways for a certain move, like when someone waits ages in the middle of the ring bent over waiting for an ax kick. Or, when someone gets countered not even doing a move. For example, one guy jumping from the top rope, the guy counters with a dropkick, but it's obvious the guy jumping from the top isn't even doing a move and were he not countered he'd have landed on his feet not doing a thing.

Annnd, pretty much everything mentioned here. Why do I watch this?!

Bubs101

That no finisher is a guaranteed finish anymore

Penn

Jolt2007 wrote: »

Why do I watch this?!

To see John Cena and Triple H. Isn't that why everyone watches it?

I hate when someone suddenly turns heel/face. I like when people turn, like CM Punks current heel turn has been brilliant. But when its so sudden, like one episode they're all happy and smiling, then the next show they call the fans fat idiots and suddenly resort to cheating during matches.

And then a few months later they're back to normal again.

Kanes heel turn for example. One minute happy (well, as happy as Kane can be), ECW Champion. Loses the title and gets drafted to Raw. Next thing, he's throwing Michael Cole about the place and shouting "Is he alive or dead?" How the frig is Cole supposed to know? Its like, seriously, whats happening?

Mitch Connor

cage matches.

they just don't work.

I hate that wrestlers lose the ability to climb the ropes when they go to get over the top. Their inability to get through the ropes in order to get out the door is even worse.

Batista standing IN the door way and not just stepping down at a recent enough pay per view was the stupidist one I have seen. He was waiting to catch his opponent (can't remember who - Jericho/Edge?) but he could easily have won by simply taking one step forward. I freaking HATE that.

smilerf

michael cole.
me dog could call a better match!!

shenanigans1982

Mitch Connor wrote: »

cage matches.

they just don't work.

I hate that wrestlers lose the ability to climb the ropes when they go to get over the top. Their inability to get through the ropes in order to get out the door is even worse.

Batista standing IN the door way and not just stepping down at a recent enough pay per view was the stupidist one I have seen. He was waiting to catch his opponent (can't remember who - Jericho/Edge?) but he could easily have won by simply taking one step forward. I freaking HATE that.

That can be applied to ladder matches too. How many times in a match does one guy reach for the title, then look down at the ground to see where the other guy is before reaching again rather than taking the extra step and grabbing the title.

I aint watch a Matt Hardy match since WM but does he still do that leg drop that always hurts his leg causing him to limp around the ring for the remainder of the match. Every match the same thing....just quit doing the leg drop.

Also the 'skin the cat' manouver. If they are trying to maintain the element of realism surely someone who is facing HBK will have studied some of his old matches and realises he does this all the time so anytime they throw him over the ropes wouldn't they make sure he actually goes over rather than turning and playing to the ground.....also applies to knocking Undertaker to the ground and RVD's caught kick/leg sweep combo.

Being fed the same Orton-Haitch storyline for a hags age.

Storylines from 4 or 5 months ago being fed to us again.

Rapid heel turns

Festus as masked Kane then a disabled person.

Hornswoggle.

Waste of talent and pushing oldies.

flahavaj

Bubs101 wrote: »

That no finisher is a guaranteed finish anymore

The Attitude era and in particular Kurt Angle killed finishers in WWE.:mad:

Michael Cole calling nearly every main event on raw each week the biggest in raw history!

Michael Cole continuosly getting moves wrong(he called ortons obvious rko from the top rope on evan bourne a few weeks ago a neckbreaker ffs!)

The fact that Michael Cole has been employed in the WWE for the last decade or so.

Vintage Michael Cole.

Guys who do half hearted Irish whips. It looks ridiculous when a guy barely tugs on the other guys wrist and he runs all the way to the opposite corner. At least make it look like you are forcing the guy across.

The Divas and Carlito are the worst for this. He can't run the ropes properly either, its like hes afraid to hurt his back or something.

Penn

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Also the 'skin the cat' manouver. If they are trying to maintain the element of realism surely someone who is facing HBK will have studied some of his old matches and realises he does this all the time so anytime they throw him over the ropes wouldn't they make sure he actually goes over rather than turning and playing to the ground.....also applies to knocking Undertaker to the ground and RVD's caught kick/leg sweep combo.

And as previously discussed on another thread, the 619. Lets face it, they fall against the ropes after maybe a dropkick or something, but to lie against the ropes for that long after a simple move is ridiculous.

Also, hot tags. I don't mind if the person being beaten up manages to reverse a move and quickly gets the tag, but this slow crawl thing, as with escaping through the door in a cage match is stupid.

And of course, Vince thinking we have a 5 second memory. Primo debuts, says he's nothing like his brother and doesn't want to be compared with him or whatever, 3 weeks later, they're a tag team

dsmythy

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

And of course, Vince thinking we have a 5 second memory. Primo debuts, says he's nothing like his brother and doesn't want to be compared with him or whatever, 3 weeks later, they're a tag team

He learned his lesson the hard way then didn't he :pac:

CMpunked

People using the term:

"Wrestling isnt what it used to be."
Or
"It has gone to sh** these days"

I know i have said it about the original ECW or the attitude era that it would be cool to see wrestling going that way again.

But some people really need to let go, seriously.

The Rock aint coming back anytime soon.
And Austin is pretty beaten up, so that rules out any sort of comeback alá Mickey Rourke in The Wrestler.
The old gimmicks are gone, they done work.
Championships dont mean anything either as opposed to a few years ago apart from the exception in Japan.
(but TBH, Japan is the same since day one)


People need to realise that wrestling will change over and over again, some of the stories will repeat, the finishes will come around the same and there will always be people who the internet will hate and always get over (HHH, Punk etc).


If these people would realise that it aint 1999 anymore and that the manias are into the 20s now, then the world would be a lot more happier (for some wrestling fans ).


*disclaimer* I am honestly not directing this at anyone on this forum, i mean the internet as a whole, especially those 30 year olds who make youtube videos and seem to think they have an autority just because they watched for so long and nit pick it all.

Thank you.

flahavaj

CMpunked wrote: »

(but TBH, Japan is the same since day one)

What does this mean? In what sense the same?

Good post btw, I agree with pretty much the lot.

michael.etc...

CMpunked wrote: »

People using the term:

"Wrestling isnt what it used to be."
Or
"It has gone to sh** these days"

I agree also with alot of what you're saying there. Obviously, I'm not going to say people should not be critical of the product, if that's how they feel, that's fine. **** knows I'm constantly criticising the WWE, but i feel that's because alot of the time i see wasted opportunities, or ways of improvement. But to me, returning to the "better" days is a lousy argument. Creating new stars would suit me fine, not trying to replicate the old ones.

Something else that really, really bugs me, is inconsistent refereeing, on the same card especially. Someone getting Dq'd on something, that an hour later, another guy gets away with... argh!

Jolt2007

Mitch Connor wrote: »

cage matches.

they just don't work.

I hate that wrestlers lose the ability to climb the ropes when they go to get over the top. Their inability to get through the ropes in order to get out the door is even worse.

Batista standing IN the door way and not just stepping down at a recent enough pay per view was the stupidist one I have seen. He was waiting to catch his opponent (can't remember who - Jericho/Edge?) but he could easily have won by simply taking one step forward. I freaking HATE that.

I'd agree with this, to a degree. Cage matches can work, but they've just forgotten the reason the cage is there in the first place: to force the guys in the cage to fight without escaping and keeping others out.

CMpunked

flahavaj wrote: »

What does this mean? In what sense the same?

Good post btw, I agree with pretty much the lot.

That they pretty much hold all the old traditions.

Theres no real weird Gimmicks, the championships arent used as crutches and the wrestlers themselves really respect it when you go over in Japan.
An example would be when i once heard that CM Punk was weeping in the ring when they threw the ribbons around after one of his matches.


In essence, they havent been american-ised.
But i guess thats what happens when you live in a western coultre, which Japan, obviously, is not.

pingu_girl

3 words

SWEET CHIN MUSIC


Now if you've ever watched a Shawn Michaels match let alone be after wrestling him before why on earth would you stand up, walk backwards towards him then turn around when you hear his foot along with a few tousand feet in the crowd stomping?

You'd oviously just either stay down or walk towards the turnbuckle on the far side. NO?

IanMc666

The over use of "Diva" eye candy..what it used to be in general..lots of stuff.

gimmick

When the match finishes and the heels are beating down the face, the ring bell is constantlty chimed, as if that will stop what is going on.

As already mentioned - ref bumps. Lazy ass booking is all it is, as the ref bump does not give a definitive win. Maybe once every now and then, but it happens in almost every WWE and TNA ppv.

Use of the word "Championship" instead of "Title".

WWE Universe

Tag team matches. Why is it when the face tag team makes a blind tag the ref always pushes the "tagee" out, but when the heels do an exagerrated fake blind tag ie making a tag sound but not actually tagging, its okay?

The Royal Rumble match not being the main event of trhe event it is called for.

Mr. Guappa

Backstage segments where heels are plotting "in secret"
There is a big ass camera and a cameraman a few feet away, the height of stupidity!

JP Liz

HHH's sledgehammer

CMpunked

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Backstage segments where heels are plotting "in secret"
There is a big ass camera and a cameraman a few feet away, the height of stupidity!

i loved it back when they used to have the secret CCTV camera set up.

I think the only recent time they done it was for the WM25 build up with show and Vickie.

CMpunked

JP Liz wrote: »

HHH's sledgehammer

A sledgehammer is designed and used to break rocks.

Whenever HHH uses his he makes it look like a:

The Cannibal

It's especially funny when he puts his hand over the face of it before hitting the guy.

Penn

Cameras outside the arena. Recent example would be Orton and HHH.

"Ortons not here tonight, but luckily we've sent a vanload of cameramen over to his house. Just in case HHH decides to show up during the 2 hour period that Raw is on, and not anytime before that during the week. Which is surprising, because HHH is very mad, has many sledgehammers, and obviously knows where Orton lives, so for him to wait this long is quite surprising. But if we're lucky, HHH might just show up during this very specific window of time"

I mean, fair enough, the backstage ones still feel really staged, but I can live with that. But in completely random locations away from the arena?

flahavaj

CMpunked wrote: »

That they pretty much hold all the old traditions.

Theres no real weird Gimmicks, the championships arent used as crutches and the wrestlers themselves really respect it when you go over in Japan.
An example would be when i once heard that CM Punk was weeping in the ring when they threw the ribbons around after one of his matches.


In essence, they havent been american-ised.
But i guess thats what happens when you live in a western coultre, which Japan, obviously, is not.

Good post and I agree with everything, just a couple of points:

1). CM Punk crying in the ring while engulfed in streamers, while a fantastic moment, happened in the US in ROH, not America. Although throwing streamers is an awesome tradition that came from Japan.

2) If you think theres no crazy gimmicks you need to check out some Hustle or DDT (a promotion that has a dog and a ladder as title holders, I kid you not).

DM_7

WWE's use of Tag matches

WWE has what 3 tag teams?

They don't really push them or show much interest in the tag titles (Normally).

But WWE insist on having multiple tag matches each week featuring teams that are not regular tag teams. If they think Tag Team matches are so useful why not have more tag teams?

WWE Universe

The Big Show: Whats the point to him? just call him the Big Fast Forward trigger. Every month he tries a new finisher and they look worse and worse.

Rjd2

Lawler's and Cole's fake laughing is insanely irritating.

The Cannibal

Guys who hang around ringside waiting to interfere but leave it to the very end, ignoring all the near falls up to then when it theoretically could have ended.

Guys who broke off a vital submission or pin attempt just because someone casually saunters down the aisle.

geeky

Shane McMahon. Generally.

gimmick

DM-ICE wrote: »

WWE's use of Tag matches

WWE has what 3 tag teams?

They don't really push them or show much interest in the tag titles (Normally).

For some reason they just do not know how to book the tag division effectively, or maybe they think its not what people want to watch. If this is the case, i would suggest they take a good look at ROH in 2007/2008 to see how it can be done right.

ScumdogV2

How many times have we all seen this scenario? Heel manager on the outside of the ring goes to throw powder in the eyes of the babyface. Of course, the wily babyface ducks or something and the powder goes into the face of the heel. Crowd erupts at this point, so everything is going smoothly. The heel, obviously angry, wants revenge. So he starts throwing ridiculous blind punches which would probably go over the head of someone 8 foot tall. I can't even explain how stupd this looks. You've all seen it.

Playing someone's music literally half a second after they've won a match, it totally kills the atmosphere for me. Even back in the Attitude era, they'd wait for a few seconds at least!

Fireworks. Jesus, them fireworks. It seems WWE have gone overkill in the last few years. Not everyone needs fireworks for an entrance. I cringed at WM25, I can tell you.

Fans at live ROH events. The worst type of fan attracted by pro wrestling, the smarky bastards. TNA fans come close for pure ignorance but the ROHbots have this award hands down.

Bah, I'm off to the cinema to see Harry Potter now, but I'll think of more and probably come back ranting and raving later.

Penn

The fireworks thing can annoy me too. Just so overused these days. Especially Batistas entrance. Its better when its just sudden and explosive, like Jericho and Kane

gimmick

ScumdogV2 wrote: »

Fans at live ROH events. The worst type of fan attracted by pro wrestling, the smarky bastards. TNA fans come close for pure ignorance but the ROHbots have this award hands down.

"This is wrestling" - what does this even mean?

"you're both awesome" - yuck

"This is awesome" - makes me cringe every time

"Thank you xxxx" clap clap clap clap clap - whatever.

"Shut the f**k up" - this one gets me the most. Christopher Daniels' awesome leaving ROH heel promo at Good Times, Great Memories was almost drowned out due to this one".

ROH fans who shout "ya ya ya" every time Julius "worst ever professional wrestling manager, I hate him so much I want to punch his stupid face through" Smokes does another HIlarious facial expression.

Indie marks who boo anyone who has the temirity to have wrestled for the likes of WWE/TNA. Admittedly these are primarily the moROHns as well.

"You sold out" being shouted at a guy who is about to leave the indy company for WWE/TNA. Funnist of this was James Gibsons last appearance for ROH Vs Brian Danielson. When Danielson was doing a victory promo, some fool in the audience shouted "Gibsons a sell out". Mr Danielson proceeded to rip on the guy. Bet he felt very smart then!

Despite being a big ROH fan, or was a big ROH fan, not sure what I am toward that company anymore, it has the most stupid fans on gods green earth. Generally speaking of course.

flahavaj

I agree with every word gimmick except the Julius Smokes hate. I think hes's gas, especially the epileptic type fit he goes into when hes down selling a punch!

CMpunked

I wish commentators would work with the audience in some ways.

For example.

Lets say that christian and punk are having a match and the crowd (cos they are smarks) chant something like "This is Awesome!".

The commentators usually react with "The crowd here in *place name* showing their appreciation for this match."

Why not something like
Comm1:
"Can you hear these fans going crazy over the excitement in this battle."
Comm2:
"I can indeed, i can barely hear you! They are chanting this is awesome and they're right, it is awesome!"


Oh yeah another thing/term i hate:

WWE UNIVERSE!

No i am not part of the "wwe universe". I am a FAN! i like what you do, i am a FAN.
Not some sort of special club that you have invented that i get absolutely nothing for except some sort of reference.

Hell, the beano used to do like membership cards and stuff.

What does the WWE do? NOTHING.
Make you feel like your being sebregated. Grrrrr :mad::mad:


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mehfesto2

Tag matches were one chap has been pummelling the other for the best part of 10 minutes, using an array of holds and slams, only for the victim to hit some sort of super-jesus move which leaves both participants in agony on the floor They then both have to struggle over to their partner for the tag.

Happens in like 90% of tag-matches...