Extension letters

Hezz700

Good afternoon to all,

Have any of you received your letters of extension from your respective superintendents yet??

Word on the bush telegraph has it that we should be in possession of them very soon.

Hezz

"Beware second hand tidings, Truth distorts with travel and maturity"

Sparks

Not yet...

Dusty87

Nope not yet. Was in wit fo, she never mentioned when we would get them. They had all the reapplication paperwork so i presume it soon. Being extended til november she said

endasmail

haven heard a thing
was thinking of going in to ask wot the story is

Hibrion

Not a word.
If it wasn't for boards I would be very uninformed!

Dr Strange

Hibrion wrote: »

Not a word.
If it wasn't for boards I would be very uninformed!

Yes, same here.

riflehunter77

Nothing down this way either

rrpc

I'd say it's unlikely to we'll see any before the 1st August.

First person to get one, please post here

Hezz700

[QUOTE=rrpc;First person to get one, please post here [/QUOTE]

I'll second that:)

daveob007

no news here either.
I AGREE THAT THE 1ST PERSON TO GET ONE SHOULD POST IT HERE

moose112

Nothing yet and can't apply for a new licence either:mad:

Scoogles

I wouldn't be rushing into the Garda station to ask. Speaking to the fo in the pub the other night and he laughed, said they are usually the last to know what the govt. are intending and they'll pick things up along the way. Appears they get no instruction either until the last minute. He's usually fairly reliable/helpful. Might have to tell him to log on to boards for info

Dusty87

I was in with the fo and seen the new reapplication forms. Never asked her about renewal letters. Id say ther waitin til every station gets them.

moose112

Not sure if this the right thread or not.
I was in Galway over the weekend while up there i decided to price around a rifle i am interested in.
While in one shop i was telling the guy that was working there that my local FO ain't giving out or taking inapplication forms. He found this funny almost wouldn't believe me telling me that there no problem still getting a licence in Galway.

Was just wondering what it's like around the rest of the country.

dresden8

moose112 wrote: »

Not sure if this the right thread or not.
I was in Galway over the weekend while up there i decided to price around a rifle i am interested in.
While in one shop i was telling the guy that was working there that my local FO ain't giving out or taking inapplication forms. He found this funny almost wouldn't believe me telling me that there no problem still getting a licence in Galway.

Was just wondering what it's like around the rest of the country.

All applications are on the new forms from now on apparently. They allegedly go live on the DOJ website at the weekend.

Allegedly.

derek_g34

No extensions to European Firearms Passes yet either. A bit scary for anyone going to Germany on 14th August :eek::

http://www.wa1500.org/

rrpc

dresden8 wrote: »

All applications are on the new forms from now on apparently. They allegedly go live on the DOJ website at the weekend.

Allegedly.

I would have thought the Garda website as it's a Garda function.

rrpc

derek_g34 wrote: »

No extensions to European Firearms Passes yet either. A bit scary for anyone going to Germany on 14th August :eek::

http://www.wa1500.org/

Once you get your extension letter, you'll be able to extend your EFP as well. By rights it should only be extended as far as your licence and when you get your new three year beastie you can then extend your EFP for three years as well.

Happy Daze

dresden8

rrpc wrote: »

I would have thought the Garda website as it's a Garda function.

As told by a Garda. I wanted to apply for a shotgun, told it's out of their hands, for now. Maybe they aren't fully informed themselves, nothing new there.

We'll see.

meathshooter

I have been informed from a reliable that will will have the extension letters by next week 3 months min extension

rrpc

I'll just repeat my earlier post

And add that the first person should also scan it and post it here as well (leaving out personal info of course).

rrpc wrote: »

I'd say it's unlikely we'll see any before the 1st August.

First person to get one, please post here

Keelan

No new applications are being prossed here ither. ( Co. Donegal, near the National park )
Lad i know, tryd for .223 and was told they wont be licenced anymore after August???

Keelan.

rrpc

Keelan wrote: »

No new applications are being prossed here ither. ( Co. Donegal, near the National park )

New forms will have to be available on or before the 1st August. Failing that, anyone who tries to renew on the first available day after getting their letter could be in trouble at the other end of their extension.

Lad i know, tryd for .223 and was told they wont be licenced anymore after August???

Filed under rumours

Trojan911

Well, I still await mine, however, in the meantime I have just posted off my application for my NPWS licence for the deer season. Was told they are processing them now & it should be back by mid August..... Happy days....

So I went to wet my appetite today at a nearby wildlife park......

Grizzly 45

Got three of them this AM.
For your elucidation and enjoyment.
Attached

Vegeta

Thanks Grizz

derek_g34

Let the games begin...

Bananaman

No sign of forms on Garda website.

Went into local station yesterday to apply for a new shotgun license - they simply used the old form.

B'Man

rrpc

Grizzly45 gets the prize

Thanks Grizzly.

Now for the forms, Garda website doesn't even seem to have one place for forms, they're spread out all over the place attached to articles etc.

In fact there's not even a link for firearms

pajero2005

Cant find anything on DoJ website either!!

rrpc

pajero2005 wrote: »

Cant find anything on DoJ website either!!

Shouldn't be on the DoJ website as it's a Garda function.

Anyway Grizzly's letter says they will be (are) on the Garda website.

pajero2005

rrpc wrote: »

Shouldn't be on the DoJ website as it's a Garda function.

Anyway Grizzly's letter says they will be (are) on the Garda website.

I know its a Garda function but figured DoJ was worth a try seeing that its not on the Garda site yet.

With all this hear say and scaremongery floating about (.223's not being issued anymore...etc), it would be nice to know for sure whats what!

rrpc

It appears that the sections of the act that relate to the new application process have not been commenced yet.

I've assumed that section 26 is commenced, as otherwise the process of grouping licences in order to extend them could not have been carried out.

Section 27 must not be commenced yet as there's no sign of the Commissioner's guidelines.

The application form itself needs to be in an SI, so maybe that's the hold up.

Bananaman

We never knew what was what. I doubt that will change. The 'Guidelines' will not be published but will simply be referenced in refusals - 'as per the DOJ Guidelines'

Plenty of people were refused Pistol licenses on the grounds that 'they don't do that in the Olympics' for years. It won't be any different now.

Individual Supers will still make their own minds up what they will and will not allow and will use the 'Guidelines' to back them up. The new 'rules' are open enough that they can use them to justify any decision.

I'm still interested to see what the most stringent application of the new 'rules' will be i.e.

• References,
• Medical records,
• Membership of 'prescribed shooting orgainsation'
• Range attendance record
• Competition attendance record
• Monitored alarm as sanctioned by 'prescribed shooting orgainsation'
• Safe complying with standards as listed by 'prescribed shooting orgainsation',
• Training courses passed as sanctioned by 'prescribed shooting orgainsation'
• Required alterations to house for security
• etc.

especially people who are applying for a new license for a firearm that they already hold and have had their security vetted in the past.

B'Man

rrpc

Bananaman wrote: »

We never knew what was what. I doubt that will change. The 'Guidelines' will not be published but will simply be referenced in refusals - 'as per the DOJ Guidelines'

I'll just quote what the Minister said last week:

New guidelines on licensing matters, published by the Garda Commissioner, which will be available to the public.

Bananaman wrote:

I'm still interested to see what the most stringent application of the new 'rules' will be i.e.

• Membership of 'prescribed shooting orgainsation'
• Competition attendance record
• Monitored alarm as sanctioned by 'prescribed shooting orgainsation'
• Safe complying with standards as listed by 'prescribed shooting orgainsation',
• Training courses passed as sanctioned by 'prescribed shooting orgainsation'

None of those are in any part of the firearms acts and there are certainly no reference to 'prescribed shooting organisations'

Nobody's getting that sort of rubber stampage.

Bananaman

None of those are in any part of the firearms acts

We await the 'Guidelines' with bated breath.

B'Man

Our man in Havana

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Got three of them this AM.
For your elucidation and enjoyment.
Attached

Is that for a restricted firearm?

rrpc

Bond-007 wrote: »

Is that for a restricted firearm?

Not necessarily. (And I don't mean to be answering for Grizzly) but you'll be in the first bunch if any of your firearms are restricted.

Grizzly 45

Nope,22 rifle,[still referred to as .220:rolleyes:] 2nd subsuquent shotgun[single barrel] with endorsement,and unlimited single barrel.
Would have thought the handgun one would have been first out.But frankly,I didnt expect it to be either the way things happen here.

bmcm71

I've heard that all gun licences will be 80 Euro for 3 years and that the second/subsequent 6 Euro license is no more. Surely the NARGC should have tried to renegotiate this. Bit of a cynical attempt to get rid of legally held guns me thinks. Should have gone the UK way with a single license for shotguns and all of them listed on this

rrpc

bmcm71 wrote: »

I've heard that all gun licences will be 80 Euro for 3 years and that the second/subsequent 6 Euro license is no more. Surely the NARGC should have tried to renegotiate this.

I'm sure they did, but I've never been able to adequately understand why this reduced fee exists in the first place when it doesn't exist for any other firearms, so I'd imagine that was a bit of a hurdle to get across in any negotiations: "We want that fee to remain at that level because.....eh, erm.., it was always there?"

Should have gone the UK way with a single license for shotguns and all of them listed on this

Not for the want of trying I assure you.

bmcm71

Maybe the NARGC did try but there was good reason to adopt the UK method with all shotguns (3 shots or less) on a single shotgun cert and rifles and multishot shotguns on firearms certs. My understanding is that the first license over here was an actual hunting permit and that the second/subsequent licenses were just permits to hold the gun (like the farmers license) By increasing the fee the Guards are undoubtedly going to see a lot of guns handed in by people who don't shoot that much. I get the feeling that this new legislation is going to make it much harder for law abiding citizens interested in shooting sports and we all know that it won't make a whit of difference to gun crime.

Whats the first step in establishing a fascist state?

Disarm the civilian population!!!

Sparks

bmcm71 wrote: »

Maybe the NARGC did try but there was good reason to adopt the UK method with all shotguns (3 shots or less) on a single shotgun cert and rifles and multishot shotguns on firearms certs.

If you were going to do that, you should just have one FAC anyway and put everything on it. And every shooter I know thinks that's how it should be done. And that was put forward as one of the first things the FCP wanted; but their terms of reference forced them to work within the CJA2006 framework, so they couldn't get it done. And PULSE and "that's how we always done it" further handicapped efforts.

My understanding is that the first license over here was an actual hunting permit and that the second/subsequent licenses were just permits to hold the gun (like the farmers license)

I wouldn't say you had a good grasp of the law there.

I get the feeling that this new legislation is going to make it much harder for law abiding citizens interested in shooting sports and we all know that it won't make a whit of difference to gun crime.

Yeah, that's sortof what's been said in every thread on the subject here since 2004.

Whats the first step in establishing a fascist state?
Disarm the civilian population!!!

Actually, it's not; the first step is to create a cult of hero worship around the head of a party. And I know what you're referring to (the idea that Hitler on coming to power, first banned all firearms). Thing is, it's not actually true, the laws pre-dated him. It is a cautionary tale against poorly written and imprecise law, however...

daveob007

bmcm71 wrote: »

Maybe the NARGC did try but there was good reason to adopt the UK method with all shotguns (3 shots or less) on a single shotgun cert and rifles and multishot shotguns on firearms certs. My understanding is that the first license over here was an actual hunting permit and that the second/subsequent licenses were just permits to hold the gun (like the farmers license) By increasing the fee the Guards are undoubtedly going to see a lot of guns handed in by people who don't shoot that much. I get the feeling that this new legislation is going to make it much harder for law abiding citizens interested in shooting sports and we all know that it won't make a whit of difference to gun crime.

Whats the first step in establishing a fascist state?

Disarm the civilian population!!!

+1 to that, I will certainly be getting rid of my 20 bore shotgun as a result,only use it every now and then for crows,magpies and so on,not interested in game shooting or clay busting.
I'm dammed if i am going to pay 80 euros for that privilage when i have my .22 for the same job if i want.
I can see many farmers who won't pay that either, there will be plenty of old shotguns to chose from as a result.

rrpc

bmcm71 wrote: »

My understanding is that the first license over here was an actual hunting permit and that the second/subsequent licenses were just permits to hold the gun (like the farmers license)

My understanding too, but the same facility didn't hold for licences issued for rifles for hunting purposes.

Sparks

daveob007 wrote: »

I can see many farmers who won't pay that either, there will be plenty of old shotguns to chose from as a result.

I've seen old shotguns like that from farmers. Feel free to choose, but I wouldn't put a live shell in one of those things if you paid me to, and I'd want to be a good hundred yards away before you pull the trigger no matter what direction it'd be pointed in!

daveob007

Sparks wrote: »

I've seen old shotguns like that from farmers. Feel free to choose, but I wouldn't put a live shell in one of those things if you paid me to, and I'd want to be a good hundred yards away before you pull the trigger no matter what direction it'd be pointed in!

True enough,,was down in Mallow yesterday bying ammo and was looking at loads of guns that fit that description.
many of them would look very nice if used for display only,,but thats another matter.
They could be used as beating sticks for the pheasant season.

rrpc

I just noticed from Grizzly's letter that his extension runs until 30/11/09. More a question for Grizzly really, but do all his extensions run until that date or are they different?

Dusty87

All this is is a clean up to remove any old guns farmers have, people who've been left guns from fathers etc that dont see the light of day. Exactly how my fo put it, "theres too many guns out there not being used and its a big clean up". I can think of one distant relation who needs a walking stick to walk, hasnt fired his gun for 20 odd years but still pays the 6 euro a year to keep it. He wouldnt be able to shoot it nor do i even think he has a cartridge. Im guessing those who shoot reguarly, have security in check etc will have no problems keeping or getting new guns. Next year all will be normal again.

Dusty87

rrpc wrote: »

I just noticed from Grizzly's letter that his extension runs until 30/11/09. More a question for Grizzly really, but do all his extensions run until that date or are they different?

The FO told me there all extended to november. If there all the 30th is another thing.

Our man in Havana

I would say that there will be a lot of guns heading for destruction in the next few months.