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If someone hurt / abused your kids...

  • 20-07-2009 10:48am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭


    ...would you REALLY be willing to kill them.

    I hear it said a lot, often think it myself, but when it came to it, could you find it in your person to seek revenge?

    :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    They'd be stuffed into the back of a van in various plastic bags and then buried in the mountains.

    That would be after the blow torch and pliers treatment.


    Don't brand me as a keyboard warrior, I would have no qualms about carrying this out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,070 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Probably

    Its a hypothetical though.. nobody knows how they'd react to something like that

    Has an abuser ever been killed by the family of a child?

    When it happens you'd probably just be relieved that your kid was OK and that the abuser was caught


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,342 ✭✭✭✭That_Guy


    The initial reaction of course is "I'm gonna kill such and such". But honestly, I don't think many people would actually commit murder over it.

    Of course your kids are very precious to you and your instinct would be to cause serious or fatal harm to this person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,309 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    I would do whatever is neccesary to protect my son. Until the situation arose I couldn't truthfully comment on what is, and isn't neccesary.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Noffles


    As someone has pointed out, it may change your outlook on things and you may react differently.. personally I know I would act accordingly... I would imagine though the actual situation would of driven me to do something terrible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭WillieCocker


    KTRIC wrote: »


    Don't brand me as a keyboard warrior, I would have no qualms about carrying this out.

    I won't.
    Your a sick and twisted psychopath.

    We all say we would kill, but deep down we want the perpertrator to pay.
    And prison is the only legal way.
    Saying that, i would assault them at least for my own gratitude.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,229 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Probably

    Its a hypothetical though.. nobody knows how they'd react to something like that

    Has an abuser ever been killed by the family of a child?

    When it happens you'd probably just be relieved that your kid was OK and that the abuser was caught

    Given the amount of protection that these people get, before they get locked up, it's probably best to rely on their fellow inmates to do the job afterwards. If that doesn't get rid of them, send em an anthrax pie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    I hope I never find myself asking that question.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭Pop's Diner


    Nah, I'd probably thank them for saving me the bother of doing it myself.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭annabellee77


    My instinct would be to kill them for sure! Every fibre of my being would want to kill them slowly and painfully :mad:

    But I would hope that I would have the level headedness not to - wouldn't be much use to the kid(s) locked up for life. Plus the abuser would have ruined 2 lives (or more) then.

    Also......death is actually too good........for them would be just me making myself feel better.

    All said though can understand how/why a parent would or could in that situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Yes.

    They would be drawn and quartered and I would feed their dirty carcass to piranhas.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 175 ✭✭ihadu


    i doubt many people would, i know i wouldn't. most people would go to the authorities, as is expected in a civil society. if a parent decided to take the law into his/her own hands, they are endangering the other children/themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    i would leave it to the appropriate authorities to hand out what ever justice they thought correct.

    The **** would never walk again though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,431 ✭✭✭✭Saibh


    Would probably say no, although unless it happened, no one really knows what they are capable of doing.

    There is no point in ruining your life - the main thing is that you are going to be there for the child


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Yes, I would kill Synper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭connundrum


    Judging by the amount of paedophiles and rapists who are alive, either locked up or free, I'd suggest that a tiny fraction of parents would actually follow through with the threat of killing anyone who harmed their child.

    I personally cannot understand how men who are serial offenders have not been put to sleep by either the victim or the family of one of the victims.

    I of course would be someone who'd say that I'd kill/serious harm anyone who harmed my kid, but I'm sure that many others have.. I wonder why they didn't carry through with the act though?

    Did they learn to forgive? Was the fear of being caught too much?

    Its a strange one alright.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    ...would you REALLY be willing to kill them.

    No, I wouldn't. I'd probably be more concerned in helping my child deal with the grief and the pain caused. Moving away from the area where it took place would probably be on the cards also.
    I hear it said a lot, often think it myself, but when it came to it, could you find it in your person to seek revenge?

    I personally couldn't. I think some people probably could. However you have to ask when does the point of punishment stop being punishment, and when does it start to feel as if you are abusing the one who you are taking revenge on?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭deadhead13


    You wouldn't be much good to your kid in prison. Something they would probably blame themselves for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    In the Bedroom is a great film on this topic.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    I find it morbid even dwelling on the question, tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,662 ✭✭✭Trinity


    I'm probably the softest person i know, I cry over half dead starlings and bring them to the vet, I gave my rabbit mouth to mouth trying to save him :p but I would have no hesitation taking someones life if they hurt my children tbh.

    I'd probably make them suffer a bit but i wouldnt drag it out too long, a bullet in the head while they are begging for their life. hmmmm


    I'm morbid by nature anyway, fascinated by serial killers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    While it might be an initial instinct, it would probabaly be the last thing the child would want. I do wish the law would deal with this situation in a better way though. i can understand why someone would feel driven to this!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    deadhead13 wrote: »
    You wouldn't be much good to your kid in prison. Something they would probably blame themselves for.

    Yeah, but all this public revenge porn is more about the avenging parent than the child.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 175 ✭✭ihadu


    Trinity wrote: »
    I'm probably the softest person i know, I cry over half dead starlings and bring them to the vet, I gave my rabbit mouth to mouth trying to save him :p but I would have no hesitation taking someones life if they hurt my children tbh.

    I'd probably make them suffer a bit but i wouldnt drag it out too long, a bullet in the head while they are begging for their life. hmmmm


    I'm morbid by nature anyway, fascinated by serial killers


    i'm not holding you to this post, just making the point that most people i know say something similar. then i ask, "you will literally try to get away with murder?"
    they all stop talking nonsense and agree that they wouldn't do anything, not even hit the guy...unless caught in the act


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭ronkmonster


    Yes, but it wouldn't be slow. Torturing would just make me and bad as them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,021 ✭✭✭LadyE


    Id like to say I would, but like previous posters have said I wouldnt be much use to my children whilst in prison.

    Id make sure they were locked up, and let it be known in the prison what the little fooker had done. And he'd pay :D Apparently they don't take kindly to pedophiles in prison :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    I'd paralyse and blind them, killing is too quick and final. Anyone who has a child would be very likely to do similar. And it wouldn't be for revenge, it would be to absolutely make sure they could never do it to anyone else again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    I've punched holes in the plaster and splintered my bedroom door from bouts of rage (hissy fits tbh). On each occasion, the second after I'd done the damage I was overcome with remorse, and with the wonderful benefit of hindsight wished I could turn back time a few seconds. It's a horrible feeling and I've since learned to curb my temper.

    You can't go down to Homebase to buy something that will a human back to life. If I had even one moment clarity I couldn't go ahead with killing a person. I think when it comes down to it most people would be the same unless, as mentioned earlier, they caught the perpetrator in the act.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭discostick12


    It's one of the old aged question! Would you kill?
    Personally no I wouldn I make sure justice was done in the courts

    But I can't speak for everyone, I'm sure there are people out there who would seek revenge, but what would be the point? How would the child feel knowing that their father/mother was now locked up over it? How would that help them deal with it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    I would hurt/abuse their kids in front of them. See how they like it. I'd stick my tongue out at them while doing it also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭citizen_p


    ...would you REALLY be willing to kill them.

    I hear it said a lot, often think it myself, but when it came to it, could you find it in your person to seek revenge?

    :eek:
    maybe not fuly kill them (others youd be jailed for a long time) ...but a beating maybe...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    would i kill somebody? no. nothign is worth 25 years in jail. nothing. my kids would need support of a father, not somebody in jail for 25 years for murder.

    i would probably however, make their life a misery and not make it worth living. id kick the living shi*e out of them to withing an inch of their life but make sure I covered my tracks to get away with it. id probably ensure their testicles had an incident involving a knot and unbearable pain also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Ending up in prison means that you would have really fúcked up enough to be caught, prosecuted and scented to prison.

    Yes I could, and depending on it killing would be too good for them and living out the rest of their days in crippling agony while paralysed may be the way to go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Acacia


    No torture porn revenge fantasies from me. I would however make sure they got the longest sentence possible. None of this serving a fraction of an already lenient sentence crap. Preferably, I'd like paedophiles/rapists to be locked up for life, like murderers. As far as I'm concerned they might as well have killed their victims, and I think there's probably a high chance of them re-offending. So they should be put away for the rest of their natural, more so for our protection, then their punishment, if nothing else.

    This is all hypothetical, of course, I can't say for sure what I would actually do/ feel.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    Acacia wrote: »
    No, torture porn revenge fantasies from me. I would however make sure they got the longest sentence possible. None of this serving a fraction of an already lenient sentence crap. Preferably, I'd like paedophiles/rapists to be locked up for life, like murderers. As far as I'm concerned they might as well have killed their victims, and I think there's probably a high chance of them re-offending. So they should be put away for the rest of their natural, more so for our protection, then their punishment, if nothing else.

    This is all hypothetical, of course, I can't say for sure what I would actually do/ feel.


    Unfortunately you wouldn't have any say in how long their sentence is. Even so called 'life' sentences are what around 20-25 years, knock a few years off for good behaviour. The more I think about it, I start to change my mind, but would have to be very careful not to get caught.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,816 ✭✭✭Acacia


    dearg lady wrote: »
    Unfortunately you wouldn't have any say in how long their sentence is. Even so called 'life' sentences are what around 20-25 years, knock a few years off for good behaviour. The more I think about it, I start to change my mind, but would have to be very careful not to get caught.

    That's very irritating. It's must be heart-breaking for families to see child rapists and the like serving short sentences after ruining their child's life. Horrible.

    I don't get the whole 'good behaviour' thing also- woop-ti-do, they managed not to rape anyone in jail, they deserve a pat on the back for that. :rolleyes: I understand in the case of petty crime why it could be used to shorten a sentence , but in the case or murderers/rapists/ paedophiles, I really don't see why they should not serve out their full sentence because they were 'good' in jail.

    /My two cents.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭WillieCocker


    I would hurt/abuse their kids in front of them. See how they like it. I'd stick my tongue out at them while doing it also.

    Wha.....:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,366 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Morally I'd have no problem with it. Practically I'd be in the camp of 'well, I won't be much use to her if I'm in prison'.

    I wouldn't have to worry about it much though. The perpetrator wouldn't be the first person who harmed his family that my daughter's grandad brought up the wicklow mountains in the back of a van... ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    Acacia wrote: »
    That's very irritating. It's must be heart-breaking for families to see child rapists and the like serving short sentences after ruining their child's life. Horrible.

    Yeah, horrendous I'd say. So bloody frustrating too! Take for example Simon Mc Ginley, I think he's been discussed a few times on here, but after raping a 13 year old girl, and receiving a lenient sentence(the judge called it this) after release from prison, he goes on to rape an 86 year old woman.
    According to the newspapers he will be released aged 51, still with a lot of life left to live. I can only begin to imagine how his victims and their families feel about this.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    I would take great pleasure out of kicking the person in the face a load of times. I wouldnt kill him because that would be to good for the bastid. I would torcher him. Humiliate him by pissing on him. Basically just make him remember the fear and helplessness(sp) he suffered till he dies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    Biggins wrote: »
    Yes.


    /Rings Harney and tells her to get out while she still can.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 175 ✭✭ihadu


    i agree with the frustration at seeing Simon Mc Ginley getting out after a short time only to reoffend. i can't imagine the suffering both familes are going through.
    however, no one on here would carry out the acts they claim they would, this is evident to me as i've never heard of a case whereby a paedo was killed by a grieving family member.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,528 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    After some digging.

    It would appear to be ok to plead not guilty to killing a paedophile who abused your child in England.

    Only found the one case from Russia where a father killed a man he caught abusing his son.
    Trinity wrote: »
    I'm morbid by nature anyway, fascinated by serial killers

    From the same YouTube channel ya morbid so and so!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    ihadu wrote: »
    i agree with the frustration at seeing Simon Mc Ginley getting out after a short time only to reoffend. i can't imagine the suffering both familes are going through.
    however, no one on here would carry out the acts they claim they would, this is evident to me as i've never heard of a case whereby a paedo was killed by a grieving family member.

    Very true, I think people could well feel that way, but in the end it's not really feasible. It would probably have to pre meditated(unless as someone said a person was caught in the act, in which case they might get a bit of a hidin) and very carefully planned to avoid getting caught.

    I guess we continue to have hope in the justice system, but are so often let down by it.


  • Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    I would have my vengence. Not sure to what extent. I also would have to come up with some elaborate plan, but I watch a lot of CSI, and have a identical twin brother. Reasonable doubt my ass. Same DNA seemingly. :D You'll never catch me! Bwa ha ha.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭MoonDancer


    I have trouble killing spiders, and I hope never to be in that suituation. Ever!

    Found this video on youtube.
    Father kills his son's kidnapper.
    You can see the shooting, but it's not graphic.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE&feature=related


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 donojono


    Going back about 10 years! Anyone from finglas will remember the day A traveller ran into the post office took out a big machete and Chopped off the hand of a Paedo that abused one of their children. Justice was served that day.

    Answer to OP is NO unless it was to defend them, then I would kill.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭SV


    I don't think I would kill unless I had a child that had been killed by this person.

    If it was the abuse thing however, they would most certainly be put in intensive care for as long as possible.
    Whether i could stop myself from killing them in the process of beating them up.. I'm not sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭chezzer


    KTRIC wrote: »
    They'd be stuffed into the back of a van in various plastic bags and then buried in the mountains.

    That would be after the blow torch and pliers treatment.


    Don't brand me as a keyboard warrior, I would have no qualms about carrying this out.


    Yeah that will really help your kid get through it with a parent in Jail...


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