Caddying in Captains

scrubber72

My mate is caddying for me this weekend in my captains prize and i am having problems with alignment so my question is can he line me up for shots and walk away before i start my swing like the women do in the US. Not sure if the ruling in the R&A is the same.

PhilipMarlowe

Rule 8-2 - Indicating Line of Play
a. Other Than on Putting Green
Except on the putting green, a player may have the line of play indicated to him by anyone, but no one may be positioned by the player on or close to the line or an extension of the line beyond the hole while the stroke is being made. Any mark placed by the player or with his knowledge to indicate the line must be removed before the stroke is made.
Exception:Flagstick attended or held up – see Rule 17-1.
b. On the Putting Green
When the player’s ball is on the putting green, the player, his partner or either of their caddies may, before but not during the stroke, point out a line for putting, but in so doing the putting green must not be touched.
A mark must not be placed anywhere to indicate a line for putting.

scrubber72

thanks lick but the thing i want to know can my caddy stand behind me and align my shoulders and feet into position before drive like a teaching pro would do in a lesson. I have a problem coming over the top with my drives and slicing them

PhilipMarlowe

Yes, once they move off the line of play before you take the shot...
I had this in an interclub match recently where the lady was getting lined up for every shot and every putt and tbh it would make me want to commit severe acts of savage violence to witness/endure it... then the man in the group behind says to me in the bar afterwards "Jaysus ye were savage slow out there... are you a slow player normally?"

fullstop

scrubber72 wrote: »

My mate is caddying for me this weekend in my captains prize and i am having problems with alignment so my question is can he line me up for shots and walk away before i start my swing like the women do in the US. Not sure if the ruling in the R&A is the same.

If someone in the same group as me in captains started this I'd go mad. Stuff like this happens all the time on captain's day, people who watch too much tv think it's the be all and end all and come out in a pair of John Daly pants or something like this. Just go out and play like you normally do, it's only captain's prize.
A player in our club, playing off about 14 and one of these people who takes captain's waaay too seriously stepped back on a tee-box to line himself up a few years ago. There's a drain behind the tee, well back from the markers with about a 6 foot drop......stepped straight into it backwards. Don't know how he wasn't seriously injured.

ShriekingSheet

fullstop wrote: »

If someone in the same group as me in captains started this I'd go mad. Stuff like this happens all the time on captain's day, people who watch too much tv think it's the be all and end all and come out in a pair of John Daly pants or something like this. Just go out and play like you normally do, it's only captain's prize.
A player in our club, playing off about 14 and one of these people who takes captain's waaay too seriously stepped back on a tee-box to line himself up a few years ago. There's a drain behind the tee, well back from the markers with about a 6 foot drop......stepped straight into it backwards. Don't know how he wasn't seriously injured.

Haha, check out the caddy thread i just posted

soundsham

fullstop wrote: »

If someone in the same group as me in captains started this I'd go mad. Stuff like this happens all the time on captain's day, people who watch too much tv think it's the be all and end all and come out in a pair of John Daly pants or something like this. Just go out and play like you normally do, it's only captain's prize.
A player in our club, playing off about 14 and one of these people who takes captain's waaay too seriously stepped back on a tee-box to line himself up a few years ago. There's a drain behind the tee, well back from the markers with about a 6 foot drop......stepped straight into it backwards. Don't know how he wasn't seriously injured.

agreed, have to say i,ve never seen it @ my club except in a playoff when it was bucketing, and matchplay final where one guy brought a caddy so the other guy called in his old man after the 1st hole..........
inter-club fine its to be expected had it myself

who do these guys think they are that a caddy will make such a difference @ capt. prize......pompous crap imo

p.s. no prob with the flashy pants or old plus 4's or whatever usually worn by people out for the craic and a few scoops not too bothered about the prizes adds to the day imo

JCDUB

Couldn't agree more with above posters.Fookin ridiculous bringing a caddy out on captains day.

OP just play golf, it's not a major, you're not a pro, don't get above your station.

IMO you're just putting more pressure on yourself by bringing a caddy out.And you'll look like a cock.

Out of interest, what do you play off?

soundsham

fookin caddys are as bad to go.....
i know what i'd tell one of my mates if they asked me for help caddying at a capt. prize or the like's.............dont need another ban so i'll let it off:D

Icepickle

Fook me! Our Captain's is on this weekend. Hope it's not the same club & I'm stuck behind you. I'll feckin' throttle ye if you lose a hole on the group in front.
Some people watch too much golf on telly!!

DIEGO WORST

Well done, the first post in a long long time that I got to roar at.

Its legal.

I’d advise against it.

I think the PGA, LPGA and all other professional tours should ban players for such behaviour. Play is waaaaaaaay too slow as it is.

Just come back from driving range. True story, honest.
Middle aged guy and a young lady arrive, guy goes next bay to me and hits ball all over the place, topped, fatted, shanked, you name it, every bad shot in the book. I was really feeling sorry for him. The young lady went t’other end of the range, and came down to guy after 20 minutes. “Right” he says, “stand up there and let me see you hit”. So up she pops on the mat, a wedge or 9-iron shot lands within feet of an 80 yard flag. Another shot, same result, yet another, again same result. I was pretty impressed.

“Ah, I see the problem”, he says. “here let me adjust your grip, now swing a bit like this back and forth, it’ll feel funny at first, but you’ll get used to it”.

From that moment on, the poor girl could hardly get the ball off the mat.

I hope he’s your caddy for the Captain’s !!!!!!

bucks777

scrubber you'd want to get a life bringing a caddy out on captains prize day,if a was playing in the group behind ya and saw that carry on on the green ahead i'd go mad....you're not a pro so no need to ruin some guys day by dragging him around for 18 holes to line up your putts....get down the putting green and practise for a few hours or buy bob rotellas book,you're probbably just thinking about it too much,putt naturally!!!

1967

Captains day is usually slow enough especially if its strokeplay without even more unnecessary distractions,i am sorry but i would be far from pleased if i was playing with or behind you its only a game of golf go out and enjoy yourself and have a laugh if you score well great if you dont then there is always another day.

soundsham

so did u win scrubber??

Sandwich

Icepickle wrote: »

Fook me! Our Captain's is on this weekend. Hope it's not the same club & I'm stuck behind you. I'll feckin' throttle ye if you lose a hole on the group in front.

Unless his caddy is of the same mind as the (urban legendary) Scottish one who, irritated by such behaviour by his player, just walks away on one green saying "Just miss it quick Sir".

scrubber72

so on the day a rule was brought in no caddies allowed. I was only looking for advice about a ruling lads and well for the amount of stick i got here i am not impressed with some of your responses. It is probably the only time i would get to have someone on the bag and not have to drag my trolley around in p1ssing rain. Soundsham no i didnt win but i played to 4 over par which is something to be proud of seeing it was my first captains and i was pretty nervous all day.

ShriekingSheet

scrubber72 wrote: »

so on the day a rule was brought in no caddies allowed. I was only looking for advice about a ruling lads and well for the amount of stick i got here i am not impressed with some of your responses. It is probably the only time i would get to have someone on the bag and not have to drag my trolley around in p1ssing rain. Soundsham no i didnt win but i played to 4 over par which is something to be proud of seeing it was my first captains and i was pretty nervous all day.

I have to say, I wouldn't put scrubber in the same bracket as the pompous poser types. To me the OP looked like a simple effort to play better in the captain's. It was misguided, sure, but a completly different kettle of fish to the guys who bringing caddys just to act the pro.

Scrubber, you got your ruling. And you got some advice not to do it by guys here. Do you agree with the advice? Or still think a caddy would have been a good idea? I'd like to see more debate on that if you disagree.

scrubber72

hi shreiking. I understand that some people have certain opinions of people using caddies for every tom dick and harry competition and I agree it can look sad. In my case it was a captains prize which i have never qualified for before and wanted a mate on the bag. I asked in the OP if it was legal for the caddie to stand behind me and align me then walk away before i started my swing. On hearing that most posters thought this was over the top but legal i decided not to do this but still wanted my mate on the bag since ( and i know i didnt state this in OP) my 2 playing partners for captains were 2 single handicap players and i play of 19. I did not want to come across as a knob (as some boardies think i would) i just wanted to be a little less nervous. I was a little disappointed with the ruling about no caddies but i understood that some people had asked people to play earlier in the day and to caddy for them in the afternoon which would of given them an unfair advantage. Turned out i was the better of my 3 ball but the 2 guys didnt really give me much consideration during the round and just expected me to keep up. Looking forward to playing sunday with my mates again and not to have to suffer being shunned by a couple of [EMAIL="tw@ts"]tw@ts[/EMAIL]

OilBeefHooked2

Wow people really need to relax. Who gives a flying fiddlers what some other guy does.It's the people who get irritated by what some one else does that are the problem not the other way around. I feel sorry for the eejits who even give airsapce in their own heads to such trivial matters. Get a life imo.

ShriekingSheet

scrubber72 wrote: »

hi shreiking. I understand that some people have certain opinions of people using caddies for every tom dick and harry competition and I agree it can look sad. In my case it was a captains prize which i have never qualified for before and wanted a mate on the bag. I asked in the OP if it was legal for the caddie to stand behind me and align me then walk away before i started my swing. On hearing that most posters thought this was over the top but legal i decided not to do this but still wanted my mate on the bag since ( and i know i didnt state this in OP) my 2 playing partners for captains were 2 single handicap players and i play of 19. I did not want to come across as a knob (as some boardies think i would) i just wanted to be a little less nervous. I was a little disappointed with the ruling about no caddies but i understood that some people had asked people to play earlier in the day and to caddy for them in the afternoon which would of given them an unfair advantage. Turned out i was the better of my 3 ball but the 2 guys didnt really give me much consideration during the round and just expected me to keep up. Looking forward to playing sunday with my mates again and not to have to suffer being shunned by a couple of [EMAIL="tw@ts"]tw@ts[/EMAIL]

Hi Scrubber,

You're missing the point a bit here. It's not about if it looks sad etc, the disagreement (in your case) is based on golfing reasons ie: how to take less shots.

We're all telling you not to take a caddy because by doing so, you naturally heighten your own expectations, which puts you under more pressure than usual. You also may discuss shots more before chosing a club, take wind and other factors into account more and read greens more carefully than you usually do.

All of the above constitutes a poor approach to a day on which you want to score well. I'll put it to you this way...

I'll wager your (and most people's) best ever run of holes, or even full round, was in a social round, midweek on your own, or in some other non-competitive situation. I'll also bet that some of the worst golf you've played might have been down the stretch of a competition you were going well in, or really wanted to go well in.

The above says one thing, people don't play their best golf by trying really hard and preparing for one particular round more than they've ever prepared before. They play well when they place a low level of importance on each shot, and care little if they hit a bad one. It sounds like a contradiction but it's the main reason why golf is such a tough mental challenge.

It's on this basis, that bringing a caddy to line you up etc is not a good idea for you, IMO.

scrubber72

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

Hi Scrubber,

You're missing the point a bit here. It's not about if it looks sad etc, the disagreement (in your case) is based on golfing reasons ie: how to take less shots.

We're all telling you not to take a caddy because by doing so, you naturally heighten your own expectations, which puts you under more pressure than usual. You also may discuss shots more before chosing a club, take wind and other factors into account more and read greens more carefully than you usually do.

All of the above constitutes a poor approach to a day on which you want to score well. I'll put it to you this way...

I'll wager your (and most people's) best ever run of holes, or even full round, was in a social round, midweek on your own, or in some other non-competitive situation. I'll also bet that some of the worst golf you've played might have been down the stretch of a competition you were going well in, or really wanted to go well in.

The above says one thing, people don't play their best golf by trying really hard and preparing for one particular round more than they've ever prepared before. They play well when they place a low level of importance on each shot, and care little if they hit a bad one. It sounds like a contradiction but it's the main reason why golf is such a tough mental challenge.

It's on this basis, that bringing a caddy to line you up etc is not a good idea for you, IMO.

Fair point. lesson learned. i do remember the best round ever was after 3 hours sleep and lots of vodka and red bull. Dont think that would be ideal prep but it def stopped me thinking of shots and only thinking of survival:D

ShriekingSheet

scrubber72 wrote: »

Fair point. lesson learned. i do remember the best round ever was after 3 hours sleep and lots of vodka and red bull. Dont think that would be ideal prep but it def stopped me thinking of shots and only thinking of survival:D

Now you have it

G1032

scrubber72 wrote: »

I was a little disappointed with the ruling about no caddies but i understood that some people had asked people to play earlier in the day and to caddy for them in the afternoon which would of given them an unfair advantage.

As far as I am aware, this is against the rules. You cannot play in a competition in the morning and caddy for your mate in the evening.
If there is a nine hole playoff or something in the evening then it's ok, as long as the caddy isn't also playing in the playoff.
I will have to check the rules just to clarify.................. can anbody else clarify this??

f22

ronaldochokes wrote: »

As far as I am aware, this is against the rules. You cannot play in a competition in the morning and caddy for your mate in the evening.
If there is a nine hole playoff or something in the evening then it's ok, as long as the caddy isn't also playing in the playoff.
I will have to check the rules just to clarify.................. can anbody else clarify this??

I know you, as a player cannot play the course prior to your round. I'm not too sure about the caddy rule but nothing stopping you walking the course to get yardages/pin positions prior to your round.

The advantage would be the same in my book.

G1032

ronaldochokes wrote: »

As far as I am aware, this is against the rules. You cannot play in a competition in the morning and caddy for your mate in the evening.
If there is a nine hole playoff or something in the evening then it's ok, as long as the caddy isn't also playing in the playoff.
I will have to check the rules just to clarify.................. can anbody else clarify this??

My apologies all. Just looked up the 'Decisions' book and it asks the following question.......

--Two players playing in the same competition at different times on the same day caddie for each other. Is this permissible? --
The answer is Yes. Rule 6-4/8