Irish teams in Europe

DB10

Why wasn't Bohs vs Salzburg shown on any channel? It made Austrian TV.
Disgraceful the coverage Irish teams get in this country.
RTE should be ashamed, they can well afford to pick up the rights for these games on the cheap.

Mossy Monk

DB10 wrote: »

Why wasn't Bohs vs Salzburg shown on any channel? It made Austrian TV.
Disgraceful the coverage Irish teams get in this country.
RTE should be ashamed, they can well afford to pick up the rights for these games on the cheap.

Obviously the rights were too expensive or not enough viewers to care about them. How much were the rights seeing as you know they were available on the cheap?

Elmo

DB10 wrote: »

Why wasn't Bohs vs Salzburg shown on any channel? It made Austrian TV.
Disgraceful the coverage Irish teams get in this country.
RTE should be ashamed, they can well afford to pick up the rights for these games on the cheap.

What about TG4, TV3 and Setanta should they be ashamed as well, or should they just leave it to RTÉ?

Mossy Monk

Elmo wrote: »

What about TG4, TV3 and Setanta should they be ashamed as well, or should they just leave it to RTÉ?

It is fashionable to bash RTÉ.

spongebobx

Mossy Monk wrote: »

It is fashionable to bash RTÉ.

I read a reply from RTÉ saying they only started showing CL matches at the 3rd qualifying match stages - when the Irish representative will probably be knocked out.
They are the national broadcaster.

Mossy Monk

TG4 receive tax payers money too but no complaints about them not showing games.

spongebobx

They show plenty of games.

Mossy Monk

spongebobx wrote: »

They show plenty of games.

How many LoI games do they show when compared to RTÉ?
How many European games do they show featuring Irish sides?

Elmo

Mossy Monk wrote: »

How many LoI games do they show when compared to RTÉ?
How many European games do they show featuring Irish sides?

I think TG4 show the same number of games as RTÉ and Setanta Sports????

None.

Happened to be watching MNS and the presenter gave out a response. http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1052517

They are the national broadcaster.

So are TV3 :mad:

Mossy Monk

Elmo wrote: »

I think TG4 show the same number of games as RTÉ and Setanta Sports????

That's what I thought so if TG4 show plenty of games then so do RTÉ.

spongebobx

Mossy Monk wrote: »

That's what I thought so if TG4 show plenty of games then so do RTÉ.

I think the point is that RTÉ go to great lengths to secure the Champions League but are apparently oblivious to the Irish representatives Bohemians
attempts to qualify for the same competition.
I don't think it's unreasonable to gripe at RTÉ for this.

As far as showing the League of Ireland RTÉ must show these matches as part of their deal to show international matches.

Mossy Monk

TV3 and Setanta are also showing Champions League this year.

So RTÉ are only showing those games because of the international deals? Why are they forcing them to show them when Setanta and TG4 picked up League of Ireland rights seperate to any international deals? I would have though that league rights would have been completely seperate for RTÉ also.

spongebobx

Mossy Monk wrote: »

TV3 and Setanta are also showing Champions League this year.

So RTÉ are only showing those games because of the international deals? Why are they forcing them to show them when Setanta and TG4 picked up League of Ireland rights seperate to any international deals? I would have though that league rights would have been completely seperate for RTÉ also.

It meant a reduction of €4million to the FAI as part of the overall deal.

Mossy Monk

Fair enough but it still does not explain why RTÉ should be expected to show Irish teams in Europe. There are other Irish broadcasters who could show the games also.

spongebobx

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Fair enough but it still does not explain why RTÉ should be expected to show Irish teams in Europe. There are other Irish broadcasters who could show the games also.

Agreed - it's just that the CL has been RTÉ's baby for some time now
so I thought any onus was on them and now I learn others are on board.
TV3 should be interesting!

Elmo

spongebobx wrote: »

Agreed - it's just that the CL has been RTÉ's baby for some time now
so I thought any onus was on them and now I learn others are on board.
TV3 should be interesting!

TV3 had exclusive Champions League for 3 years in the early 2000s. Seems to be their baby also.

spongebobx

Elmo wrote: »

TV3 had exclusive Champions League for 3 years in the early 2000s. Seems to be their baby also.

I hope they take better care of this one.

Elmo

spongebobx wrote: »

I hope they take better care of this one.

They lost the right because their site wasn't up and running back in 2003, and CL wanted viewers to be able to access the games online, both RTE and Setanta where up and running.

Koloman

If nobody else picked up the game then I think RTE should of had an obligation to show it even if it was unprofitable to do so as that is what the licence fee is for.

Elmo

Koloman wrote: »

If nobody else picked up the game then I think RTE should of had an obligation to show it even if it was unprofitable to do so as that is what the licence fee is for.

The same could be said of TG4.

We don't even know if RTE, TV3, TG4 or Setanta where given to opportunity to buy the match. Companies that currently have no money. If UFEA or the FAI wanted it shown on RTE, TV3, TG4 or Setanta they should have thought about giving them the rights for free.

I blame the FAI more than RTE, from an outsiders point of view the FAI seem very very incompetent.

TBH I don't think it would have been all that unprofitable.

Mossy Monk

Elmo wrote: »

If UFEA or the FAI wanted it shown on RTE, TV3, TG4 or Setanta they should have thought about giving them the rights for free.

UEFA or the FAI would have no say in rights for games. That is up to the club playing at home. Next round however have to be shown by whoever has Champions League rights.

Elmo

Mossy Monk wrote: »

UEFA or the FAI would have no say in rights for games. That is up to the club playing at home. Next round however have to be shown by whoever has Champions League rights.

Did they play in Dublin?

keith99

Elmo wrote: »

Did they play in Dublin?

RTE & setanta offered to show bohs second leg game but chose not to to get more fans to pay rip off prices to sit in seats where terraces are, I am glad bohs are out as they spent loads of of money they thought were getting from dodgy developer but will come to nothing

What irish football needs is a 16 team all ireland league with 20 year tv deal between rte and tv3 for irish terrestrial live tv rights, setanta sports ire or sky alongside irish pay tv rights, bbc northern ire or utv for northern ire terrestrial tv live rights

2 or 3 dublin teams instead of 6 at the moment

Mossy Monk

A 20 year television deal. Are you ****ing mad?

Koloman

keith99 wrote: »

RTE & setanta offered to show bohs second leg game but chose not to to get more fans to pay rip off prices to sit in seats where terraces are, I am glad bohs are out as they spent loads of of money they thought were getting from dodgy developer but will come to nothing

What irish football needs is a 16 team all ireland league with 20 year tv deal between rte and tv3 for irish terrestrial live tv rights, setanta sports ire or sky alongside irish pay tv rights, bbc northern ire or utv for northern ire terrestrial tv live rights

2 or 3 dublin teams instead of 6 at the moment

1. Show me where RTE/Setanta offered to show the second leg?

2. It's a European game, prices are obviously going to go up!

3. You cannot be an LOI fan if you want Boh's to go under. Everyone was jumping on the developer bandwagon. It seemed a good deal at the time but hindsight is everything.

4. An All Ireland league won't work as the NI teams are worse than the LOI teams bar maybe Linfield. Look at the NI results in Europe this week, they where thrashed.

5. Most TV deals last for 2/3 years not 20! It's difficult enough getting any TV deal never mind a 20 year one.

6. There are too many Dublin teams but how do you decide which 2 or 3 to get rid off?

To sum up you seem to know very little about the realities of football in Ireland.

keith99

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0724/1224251232036.html

if you look half way down this article for proof

Summer football has worked for football here but it needs a all ireland league

I saw Zimbru hammer st pats in the 1999-2000 champs league and which I write an angry rant letter to Pat Dolan the St Pats Chairman about how disgusted st pats played, to Mr dolan's credit he wrote to me and offered 2 free tickets for a st pats game, then summer football happened years later, ulster sides are like st pats during the period,

Ireland needs a all ireland league and a all ireland team, a 20 year tv deal sounds extreme but it will give time for a all ireland league to establish itself through new and better stadiums and football teams

Koloman wrote: »

1. Show me where RTE/Setanta offered to show the second leg?

2. It's a European game, prices are obviously going to go up!

3. You cannot be an LOI fan if you want Boh's to go under. Everyone was jumping on the developer bandwagon. It seemed a good deal at the time but hindsight is everything.

4. An All Ireland league won't work as the NI teams are worse than the LOI teams bar maybe Linfield. Look at the NI results in Europe this week, they where thrashed.

5. Most TV deals last for 2/3 years not 20! It's difficult enough getting any TV deal never mind a 20 year one.

6. There are too many Dublin teams but how do you decide which 2 or 3 to get rid off?

To sum up you seem to know very little about the realities of football in Ireland.

Elmo

I think they should have given it to Setanta if they felt that the tickets wouldn't sell.

Setanta had seen a fall in the viewing figures as their company in Britain went into liquidation. From a steady 1.1% down to 0.4% of an audience share. I has since returned to 1.1% of the audience share. Even at 1.1% Bohs need not have worried.

It also isn't good that only 2 channels offered to show the match, and that they would only cover their own costs.

Mossy Monk

keith99 wrote: »

a 20 year tv deal sounds extreme but it will give time for a all ireland league to establish itself through new and better stadiums and football teams

A 20 year contract will never happen.