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Drugs / dealing - what should I do?

  • 15-07-2009 10:03am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭


    I am very anti drugs..as the dad of a 15 year old I obviously worry that she will come into contact with drugs etc..

    Now my dilemma...I know of a guy who lives nearby who smokes hash continually (ok thats his business..) however I also know that he supplies hash locally especially amongst friends and acquaintances and others..now he's not a BIG drug dealer but it concerns me that he 'deals' at all..(it's people like him that might be trying to tempt my daughter in the years to come..)....some of his 'friends' have done time for more serious drug offences and I'm contemplating ringing the Garda confidental line to report him...what ye reckon?

    Should I just mind my own business???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭dMaN24


    Well.. First of all, do you trust your daughter? Do you know if she's in the same social network as the guy?

    The worst thing you could do (as I see it) would be to openly say "Whatever you do, Do NOT go to <name> who lives down on the corner, because he is a drugdealer/user!"

    Even though it's what you want to say, it just might backfire.


    Edit: And regarding to minding your own business.. It's your child you are talking about.. Not some random people wasting their life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭buckieburd


    I think you would probably be best have a (relaxed) drugs chat with your daughter, not a lecture just a chat, and let her know she can approach you if she needs to. As for your man it sounds as if he just supplies for his friends, I would be amazed if he would try to push drugs on your daughter this is more the tactics of herion dealers...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Can I ask how you know this? And are you sure? You wouldnt want to have the drug squad raiding your neighbour and then finding out you were wrong. Rumours go around about people that may only have a small basis on fact.
    As far as your daughter is concerned if she does decide to take drugs she will probably get them from someone she hangs around with, not a neighbour her father knows. When I was 18 I experimented with cannabis and trips - yes I am that old! but the reason I did it was because I was so low in confidence, I just wanted to fit in with people I thought were popular. If you are to do anything for your daughter, build up her self estem. Tell her how great she is and how proud you are of her. Maybe start an activity together that she will enjoy, going to the pool or something like that. Show her enjoyable things to do in life that dont involve drugs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    OP here

    I trust my daughter and dont actually worry that she will ever take drugs..

    Obviosuly I cant speak for all her friends...

    Im really asking should I report this guy??? Surely any kind of dealing is a no no??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭shakenbake


    To be honest he sounds like the last person who she would/should approach regarding the subject. As he states he's vehemently opposed to drugs and is likely to have unforgiving (and erroneous) opinions on it. Imagine how this conversation would go? "Hi dad, I took my first e lastnight and then smoked a few spliffs to deal with the come down, whatcha think?"

    O/P, I think statistically speaking your daughter is going to experiment with drugs at some point, like most peoples kids, regardless of whether you like it or not. Whilst using drugs may not be the healthiest past time ever, there is always a line to be drawn between occasional use and abuse (particularly of hard drugs).

    If you know one of their mates is giving them some hash, please don't do something completely draconion like get the police involved. If it really bothers you that much, say it directly to this person that you're not happy about it but do this based on fact and not what you've heard, or think you know.

    I can completely sympathise with your worries on this but if this was my own child I'd be a lot more worried about alcohol misuse to be honest.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭kittenkiller


    Talk to your daughter.
    Let her know the dangers and how disappointed you'd be if you ever discovered she was using.

    You say that you know the guy in question.
    If you know him well enough ask (in a very friendly way) that he refuses to sell to your daughter if she was to ever approach him.

    Usually people who only deal hash are mild-mannered enough and have enough of a regular client base that they don't have to go out and push.

    Have faith in your daughter!
    Best of luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    id say ring the guards hotline, can't hurt to have him on there map so to speak. hash is not a major drug but if his friends are bigger dealers its prob just a matter of time before he moves in on that stuff too
    don't tell anyone at all you ratted him out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭raah!


    You should mind your own business imo. You don't know that he will do any "tempting", and it's unfair to use this as a basis for a potential life ruining guard raid. Maybe you should read up about drugs and simply educate your daughter on the potential dangers of using them.

    I think kittenkiller's idea is good too, if you are that worried simply ask him not to sell to her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭board om


    OP, you are caught up in the myth of the 'Drug Pusher'. this person does not exist. parents seem to find it easier to belive that the drug dealer stands on corners and tries to push drugs on their 'unwilling' children. the truth is that the drug dealer will most likely be approached by the 'wanting to experiment' children.

    bottom line is if your child decides that she wants to experiment with drugs, then she will actively go looking. this guy isnt going to have anything to do with the deciding factor. and if that time comes it would be better to have a trusting relationship with her rather than a hollier than though.

    as for ratting this guy out, grow up and mind your own business. he is not causing you any problems so just dont get involved. at the end of the day its better the devil you know. at least with him you know the story. but say you grass him up and he gets put away, then a younger 'crew' comes in and takes over the drugs in the area. now you dont know who or what to look out for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    OP here

    must say Im actually surprised at the attitude on here...a guy is know to deal in drugs and all say 'leave him alone'....why is this? Is that not condoning what he does?
    Im not getting at any of ye cos I dont dont know the answer either..hence I came on here seeking advice...if he was dealing cocaine would it be a different story..is hash ok?? Just curious :-)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭Miss Fluff


    +1 to everything board om said.

    There is no such thing as a "Drug Pusher". If your daughter wants to take drugs she will find them regardless. If one of your neighbours is dealing a bit of blow on the side I can guarantee you that he isn't the only person in your locality doing the same.

    So what's the option? Go on a one man mission to "clean up the streets" because you risk everything by blowing the whistle on anyone and even if you rat this guy in, it makes sense that another dealer will have to supply in his absence.

    Have a mature adult chat with your daughter, encourage her to introduce her friends to you so you know the company she is keeping and that's all oyu can do OP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


    Gonna get lynched.

    Shop him.

    He knew the risks. Time he pays the piper.
    Knock all these guys out and what will the gangs turn to next - sorry guys - but I care about where I live and will not tolerate scum or their anti-social behaviour.

    As someone who has been the victim of these so call soft-drug users I would and only do one thing. Report them immediately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭raah!


    There most certainly are "drug pushers", but you can't assume this guy is one.

    Cocaine is a different drug to cannabis.

    You don't know this guy is harming anyone, he's a person too, so if you do go and squeel on him, remember you'll probably be ruining his life, and that things like cannabis are mostly perceived as evil by people who don't use it or know much about it. If you look on the government sites you'll see that they are generally quite favourably disposed to it.

    If you think that something being illegal makes it bad then that's a different story.

    This "dealer for the area" isn't exactly accurate, there are rarely gangs on a local level. Nearer the mass production/smuggling things perhaps.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭trad


    There appears to be a verry indifferent attitude here towards illegal substances. I suspect that there are a lot of casual users that post on this site and think it is a matter of personal preference as to the use of illegal substances.

    Shop the dealer and every dealer you come across and let the courts deal with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭txt_mess


    Whether you daughter ends up taking drugs or getting in hassle in the years to come is one subject and thats falls at your door to try and prevent it up until she is an adult.

    On whether or not you should report the drug dealer I would say yes , you can say what you will for feeling sorry for people addicted but a dealer is just in it for the money end of story. I would be more worried about that fact of who will be calling to his door to buy and the trouble they could bring to your area.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭skooterblue


    raah! wrote: »
    it's unfair to use this as a basis for a potential life ruining guard raid.

    Yes its unfair to subject criminals and drug dealers to the full extent of the law. In these difficult times the last thing they needs is police harassment. Just because they dont pay taxes and scam off social welfare and live in local authority housing when other people are being put out of their homes does mean they do any less damage to society.

    Awww fupp it shop him to the Guards. This guy is bring the neighbour hood down. If you have any doubts he wont see your daughter, he will just see a customer with cash. Will you take responsibility of turning a blind eye cos you didnt do everything you could while she was younger ?. What we dont need on this site is the Council of civil liberties making excuses for pushing drugs on young people. The last thing we need in this country is a generation of celtic cubs on drugs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭raah!


    Yes its unfair to subject criminals and drug dealers to the full extent of the law. In these difficult times the last thing they needs is police harassment. Just because they dont pay taxes and scam off social welfare and live in local authority housing when other people are being put out of their homes does mean they do any less damage to society.
    Fantastic scarecrow argument there.

    Just because this is "personal issues" doesn't mean you don't have to use reason. I'm not gonna post here anymore, I suggest you ignorant hate mongers go and educate yourselves on these things you are demonising. If the law is your only moral compass then that's fine, but if you think you have specific arguments as to why this is bad and alcohol etc isn't then whip 'em out.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    Pffft... OP you sound like a ridiculously overprotective parent. In this day and age the chances that your daughter will almost definitely come into contact with drugs simply through her friends and social scene. Odds are she will try hash etc at some stage - but also that she'll still continue to be a normal person. Just cause you smoke a spliff does not turn you into a junkie. Check out some of the old threads in After Hours and you'll see polls where the cast majority of people have tried it or even occasionally use recreational drugs - ad I'm quite sure that 99% of these people are perfectly normal with nothing wrong with them.

    The guy up the road, I'm sure he's got better things to do with his time that to tempt 15 year olds into buying some weed. Come on, you're watching too many moveis. You're putting yourself at a bigger risk ratting him in than if you just ignore it.

    It's up to you to make sure she is a strong enough character to make her own decisions and be strong enough for the challenges that lie ahead of her in life. I'm quite sure she'll have much bigger and more important things to deal with than soft drugs.

    If you do talk to her and tell her that drugs are the most terrible things in the world and if she does any she will ruin her life, she is almost definitely work out quite soon that this is not the case and simple form the opinion that you are totally naive and have no idea - so she'll ignore all your advice and make her own decisions. Just be cool about it, don't give her the bullsh1t exaggerated stores we all heard as kids, it doesn't work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭kittenkiller


    OP here

    must say Im actually surprised at the attitude on here...a guy is know to deal in drugs and all say 'leave him alone'....why is this? Is that not condoning what he does?
    Im not getting at any of ye cos I dont dont know the answer either..hence I came on here seeking advice...if he was dealing cocaine would it be a different story..is hash ok?? Just curious :-)

    To me, coke would be a very different situation.
    Anything that might cause an OD, can be put into drinks/taken unwillingly or would cause an increase in neighbourhood muggings/robberies would send the alarm bells ringing for me.
    People who smoke hash do so willingly and are usually too lazy/sleepy to OD or go out muggin people to score.

    OP have you spoke to your daughter about drugs?

    Also, be careful shopping a small fry if his mates are more serious dealers.
    If you get caught they might want to teach you a lesson to avoid being turned in themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭shakenbake


    Zascar wrote: »
    It's up to you to make sure she is a strong enough character to make her own decisions and be strong enough for the challenges that lie ahead of her in life. I'm quite sure she'll have much bigger and more important things to deal with than soft drugs..

    Hammer. Nail. Head!

    I honestly hope some of the sensationalistic posts in this thread regarding what should happen to this 'dealer' are flame bait. I can only imagine what sort bitter, ignorant, little lives you lead if they're not.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,630 ✭✭✭The Recliner


    shakenbake wrote: »
    Hammer. Nail. Head!

    I honestly hope some of the sensationalistic posts in this thread regarding what should happen to this 'dealer' are flame bait. I can only imagine what sort bitter, ignorant, little lives you lead if they're not.

    Be careful about throwing around generalisations, particularly abusive ones about posters in this forum

    *Aimed at everyone*
    The OP didn't ask for a debate on the rights and wrongs of various drugs, get back on topic please

    Pimpey


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭Sonderval


    You should in good conscience report him to the Gardai - its a dispicable socially damaging crime he's involved in that endangers a great many people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Oisinjm


    From what the OP said it doesn't even sound like the guy is a dealer. Just a guy who knows how to get blow himself and his friends. I don't think you should report him. I'm 16 and right now I could call up about 10 people and they could sort me out with some. Its not that I hang out with a "bad crowd". Far from it, its just ridiculously easy, this guy isn't going to be the only guy your daughter can get it from. Stopping this one guy won't do anything, you just need to face the fact that your daughter is going to come into contact with drugs. You need to get her into a place where she can make the right decisions for herself.

    And incase you think that I'm just telling you not to rat him out because I take it myself, I dont. And I'm actually against it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    board om wrote: »
    OP, you are caught up in the myth of the 'Drug Pusher'. this person does not exist. parents seem to find it easier to belive that the drug dealer stands on corners and tries to push drugs on their 'unwilling' children. the truth is that the drug dealer will most likely be approached by the 'wanting to experiment' children.

    bottom line is if your child decides that she wants to experiment with drugs, then she will actively go looking. this guy isnt going to have anything to do with the deciding factor. and if that time comes it would be better to have a trusting relationship with her rather than a hollier than though.

    as for ratting this guy out, grow up and mind your own business. he is not causing you any problems so just dont get involved. at the end of the day its better the devil you know. at least with him you know the story. but say you grass him up and he gets put away, then a younger 'crew' comes in and takes over the drugs in the area. now you dont know who or what to look out for.
    I disagree with this. Everyone has an obligation to keep the streets clean and safe - if you see a crime and can report it you should, for some other parents sake. Don't mind your own business and wait for someone else to do your job for you.

    Drug taking is an opportunity thing, you are exposed to it trough friends and their contacts. Children without hash smoking friends are much less likely to smoke themselves, they don't know where to get it.

    I used to smoke a lot, the ONLY reason for this was that I had friends that smoked. Once I moved away from my home town I stopped completely, except for when offered at parties (again the exposure).

    "Silence of good people is more harmful than the deeds of evil people"


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    Magnus wrote: »
    I used to smoke a lot, the ONLY reason for this was that I had friends that smoked. Once I moved away from my home town I stopped completely, except for when offered at parties (again the exposure).

    And because you smoked are you any less of a person or did anything terrible happen to your life? Come on, it's like the "Just say no" to sex campaign that never worked. Better to accept its going to happen and educate on how to do it safely.

    Alcohol is worse than Cannabis or Ecstasy
    - so logically you should be trying to keep your kids away from booze more than the others...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭buckieburd


    Magnus wrote: »
    I disagree with this. Everyone has an obligation to keep the streets clean and safe - if you see a crime and can report it you should, for some other parents sake. Don't mind your own business and wait for someone else to do your job for you.

    I used to smoke a lot, the ONLY reason for this was that I had friends that smoked.

    "Silence of good people is more harmful than the deeds of evil people"

    So by your reasoning if someone had reported your friends to the guards for dealing that would of been for the greater good?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭herya


    If you knew for sure that he's a cocaine/heroin dealer I'd say shop him. He's a danger and a part of drug culture which results in deaths, also of passers by.

    But from what you write he's not exactly a dealer and he does cannabis only. Shopping him would be like shopping a tobacco seller - it's not good for anybody but you won't drop dead from one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    how do you know he is a drug dealer? If you want to tell the police go ahead it will be embarassing for him if he only has a small amount.

    She will come across it on her travels, you can do what many do in my area and lock her up until she is 18 dropping her off everywhere and picking her up but she will become involved if thats her destiny if she rebels.

    Can you treat her like an adult and have a proper chat with her about the truth of life? if not hope for the best and she will grow up eventually. peer presure is also a major factor in lost little souls :/ but to say she wont be mocked and exposed to trouble is piffle they are everywhere in school etc. At least stress to her the importance of staying away from illegal drugs until she is 18. that is the main thing 18. done the leaving and finito. stalk her make sure she aint hanging around with druggies if you dont have a proper relationship yet you are going to have to look out for her.

    There will always be drugs thats how people who would otherwise starve to death make their living. where did that big picture go to. this is the capitalist system you had little or no choice in setting up, thanks hitler. rat him out? Magnolius is Right tho except for the comment at the end!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    I'd say shop him in, it's middle class drug users that keep the Limerick and Dublin crime gangs in business. Fair enough, hash is pretty minor but he's still part of a system that kills people every year.

    OP, in all likelihood, your daughter will try drugs at some point, the best you can do is give her a realistic appraisal of the risks that are associated with each one.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    buckieburd wrote: »
    So by your reasoning if someone had reported your friends to the guards for dealing that would of been for the greater good?
    Sharing it with me for free wasn't dealing, but had they been dealing yes and someone reported them and they got fine/jail then yes, they knew what they were doing and that it could blow up in their face.

    Dealers aren't only guys in flash cars driving down the street in Harlem, dealers starts by supplying themselves, then friends, then friends of friends...
    Before you know someone ask "can you source some other stuff for me?" and they probably can.

    The supply chain is now in place, only the products vary.

    People are so quick going "someone should do something about this disgrace" and when someone wants to they say "mind your own business" wtf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    OP, you are so out of touch it is scary.

    The people you need to worry about are her peers. as said here, drug pushers are more than likely be her mates and in the form of peer pressure. Her friends will drink and so too will your daughter, they will be involved in heavy petting/sex and maybe even experiment with drugs. This is life in Ireland. you can't fight it, ah sure you can report a guy down the road who likes a smoke, but how exactly will that keep your daughter safe from drugs.

    I'd nearly say there is nothing you can do unless you lock her up for 24 hours a day. You need to educate yourself on drugs and then have a mature chat with the woman who is your daughter.

    If you had a swimming pool in your garden, would you build a fence around it or teach your daughter how to swim?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭bSlick


    For god sake, get a grip on reality. It's a bit of hash, not crystal meth we're talking about here. There is a massive amount of difference between selling a bit of hash, which is less dangerous than alcohol, as opposed to dealing stuff like cocaine/heroin.

    I know a fair few guys who dealt a bit of hash in their twenties who were as decent as you get and have all have gone on to get good jobs and work hard. Complete overreaction to set the guards on the guy in the op's story. As for this guy actively searching out people to sell 'drugs' to and corrupting his daughter...:rolleyes: Any guy that is just selling a bit of hash isn't going to be pushing it on anybody, if someone asks him for some he'll sort them out and that's it, they're nearly always only selling it to friends and acquaintances.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 205 ✭✭BennyLava


    Any way you want to look at it sharing/ dealing, the OP is uncomfortable with it happening in his area, as another poster said it may only be hash now, but who's to say what it will be next month/year.

    Who's to say when sharing with mates is going to change into buying and dealing to friends of friends

    Your better of nipping it in the bud now that waiting to see if it turns into a problem in your area down the road
    Attitudes of leave the lad alone, he isn't doing any harm, are exactly the same as were in Limerick and West Dublin years ago
    Look where we are at now

    Report him, at the very least it'll make the cops aware of him


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    If OP is uncomfortable with dealing happening in his area, then he should move. I suggest the Moon, as its the only place I know that there is none going on.

    Stop living in fear and face reality, its not as scary as you think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


    Zascar wrote: »
    If OP is uncomfortable with dealing happening in his area, then he should move. I suggest the Moon, as its the only place I know that there is none going on.

    Stop living in fear and face reality, its not as scary as you think.

    This is a sad comment on our society - when a person has to move because one of their neighbours is potentially a dealer. :(

    You have one thing right - Stop living in fear and face reality, its not as scary as you think when society acts to protect the innocent.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Don't report this guy. He's not the type who would approach anyone. I know a dealer on a bigger scale than him who will only deal to friends of clients once he has their phone number first.

    He's a drop in the ocean as regards the drug problem. Everyone who gets stuff off him will end up going to someone else who could be a much bigger problem.

    What's the point in putting someone like him in jail? He comes out unemployable and ends up dealing properly most likely and we all end up paying for his jailtime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


    What's the point in putting someone like him in jail? He comes out unemployable and ends up dealing properly most likely and we all end up paying for his jailtime.

    Point is - if all these guys are put in jail - repeatedly and they come to see there is no profit to be made then the supply is dealt a crippling blow.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    Jail solves little. As said above once a person goes to jail its usually the start of a long slippy slope. They are not afraid of it. The stats from Mountjoy is that the average person has been in there about 5 times. But we digress..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,830 ✭✭✭✭Taltos


    Zascar wrote: »
    Jail solves little. As said above once a person goes to jail its usually the start of a long slippy slope. They are not afraid of it. The stats from Mountjoy is that the average person has been in there about 5 times. But we digress..

    Agreed :)
    Different discussion - one that could well get me banned.

    OP - at the end of the day - only you can decide what to do.
    ie What kind of message do you want to pass to your daughter - what kind of values you wish her to have.
    Do you want her to have respect for the law or do you want her to accept that dealers are out there and should not be touched as they are only really dealing a little bit of weed and sure it's not harming anyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    I'm genuinely suprised some people said the OP should move. That is a rediculous idea, truely immature. OP, if you believe this person is dealing drugs you have, if not a legal obligation, certainly a moral obligation to contact the gardai. Same as if he was drink driving every day (and I believe dealing drugs is as bad as, if not worse than, drink driving), he should be reported.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭token56


    bSlick wrote: »
    For god sake, get a grip on reality. It's a bit of hash, not crystal meth we're talking about here. There is a massive amount of difference between selling a bit of hash, which is less dangerous than alcohol, as opposed to dealing stuff like cocaine/heroin.

    Fact of the matter is hash is illegal and dealing it is illegal, its health effects or whether or not it should be illegal, etc is not whats up for debate here.
    Selling hash or any or type of drug like that is illegal and the op has every right to report this guys if he knows for fact he deals, whether its to just friends or anyone else.

    Its ridiculous to say its only hash dont worry about it. Fair enough its becoming as socially acceptable amoung different generations, particularly the younger generations, as alcholol. But this doesn't take away from the fact its illegal in the eyes of the law and while this is the case nobody should be made feel its ok to use/deal just because more people are becoming ok with the idea of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Gigiwagga


    Op, don't worry she'll be much better off when she starts knocking back bottles of vodka with her mates and rolling around the streets in her puke covered bellytop like all the other nice girls. Christ sake man grow up.

    If I were you I'd spend a little time finding out about cannabis and the health risks associated with its use, compared to alcohol or tobacco or prescription drugs or almost anything else you care to mention including a junk food diet, cannabis is fairly harmless. Just because something is illegal, doesn't make it dangerous. Better she not smoke anything sure, but reality often surprises us all. Leave your neighbour alone, unless he tries to sell you something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 250 ✭✭Bam Bam


    Let the gardai know about him, for the simple fact that they may not already know about him.

    Remember he is a part of a network and the more the gardai know about this network the better they can fight it. Whether or not they decide to openly act on your information or just monitor his activities is their concern.

    For those that defend his actions and maintain that its just a bit of hash. Its just a bit of hash now, who knows what he'll be at in 5 or 10 years time. His main concerns are not what is best for society but what he can get away with that is most profitable.

    It is these peoples lack of morality and social conscience that feeds the cancer in our society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I am very anti drugs..as the dad of a 15 year old I obviously worry that she will come into contact with drugs etc..

    Now my dilemma...I know of a guy who lives nearby who smokes hash continually (ok thats his business..) however I also know that he supplies hash locally especially amongst friends and acquaintances and others..now he's not a BIG drug dealer but it concerns me that he 'deals' at all..(it's people like him that might be trying to tempt my daughter in the years to come..)....some of his 'friends' have done time for more serious drug offences and I'm contemplating ringing the Garda confidental line to report him...what ye reckon?

    Should I just mind my own business???
    If you're thinking of doing it, I don't see why you don't. I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't. Its down to a personal choice. Either way, I'd start taking notes.

    I'm not sure the morals are worth debating here. Its more a question of what information the Gards would need, and whether reporting them will do you any good (ie. will he be detained, or will you just end up making a new enemy?). You can make an anonymous complaint at the station. There should be no need that he ever finds out who phoned in his activity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭kittenkiller


    Op, don't worry she'll be much better off when she starts knocking back bottles of vodka with her mates and rolling around the streets in her puke covered bellytop like all the other nice girls. Christ sake man grow up.

    If I were you I'd spend a little time finding out about cannabis and the health risks associated with its use, compared to alcohol or tobacco or prescription drugs or almost anything else you care to mention including a junk food diet, cannabis is fairly harmless. Just because something is illegal, doesn't make it dangerous. Better she not smoke anything sure, but reality often surprises us all. Leave your neighbour alone, unless he tries to sell you something.

    So the OP should encourage his 15 year old daughter to smoke dope because otherwise she'll start drinking on the streets?!
    Seriously, the OP is concerned about his daughter getting into trouble in any way, this comment is ridiculous!


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    token56 wrote: »
    Fact of the matter is hash is illegal and dealing it is illegal, its health effects or whether or not it should be illegal, etc is not whats up for debate here.
    While he's at it maybe he should stand outside his road and write down the registrations of any cars that he thinks might be going over the speed limit. This is also illegal and causes far more deaths each year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    Zascar wrote: »
    While he's at it maybe he should stand outside his road and write down the registrations of any cars that he thinks might be going over the speed limit. This is also illegal and causes far more deaths each year.


    Perhaps he should, what would happen to crime if people started to report it to the gardai? Would it decrease? Or because we dont call the gardai over every speeder we should ignore drug dealing? I don't like the argument "You dont report speeding therefore you shouldnt report drug dealing"


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    My point is that he should forget about getting involved in others people's business and instead focus on teaching his daughter the life lessons she is going to need to realistically deal with life's challenges. What is far more important than letting the Guards know about some teenager who sorts his mates out with a bit of weed now and then, is teaching his child to be streetwise and know what to do when she gets out there in the big bad world. People often grow up to be ignorant and naive about certain things like their parents. Every parent has the responsibility to make sure their kids are smart, copped on, and clued in about what really goes on in the world around them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    OP - I'd say go and report it to the Gards. Not only are these people putting your daughter at risk, they are putting the entire community at risk. However, I will say this. These people aren't the only people with drugs that your daughter will encounter. So as others have said the main way to educate your daughter would be to talk about it yourself with her calmly and clearly to let her know how you feel about drugs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Zascar wrote: »
    My point is that he should forget about getting involved in others people's business and instead focus on teaching his daughter the life lessons she is going to need to realistically deal with life's challenges. What is far more important than letting the Guards know about some teenager who sorts his mates out with a bit of weed now and then, is teaching his child to be streetwise and know what to do when she gets out there in the big bad world. People often grow up to be ignorant and naive about certain things like their parents. Every parent has the responsibility to make sure their kids are smart, copped on, and clued in about what really goes on in the world around them.


    And the funny thing is, at 15, she could probably teach him a thing or two about life's challenges. The OP should really have faced these concerns when his daughter was much younger.


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