Waterford Nitelife on the Up???

Anon0000

Probably start off a big debate here but as well as Revolution having a big expansion, Harveys have just announced a 4million euro revamp creating an extra 50 jobs.
Is the business there in the middle of a recession for so many niteclubs/late bars in the one area? On a saturday night u will now have over 8 venues going till late all in the one area(Kazbar,EA,Masons,Muldoons,Oxygen,Rubys club and lounge,Revolution and Harveys). Competition is good for business but how long before one of these close and start losing more jobs? What changes do you think venues shud make to attract customers back into town on a weekend?

Musicman2000

One word, No:)

Professey Chin

Bring down the prices obviously

Fajitas!

Funnily enough, any time someone asked where I was from at Oxegen, and I said Waterford, they all told me it was one of the best spots for going out... I just stick to old man pubs so didn't know what they were on about, other than giving out about places charging in.

dazftw

Forum is free in before 12 and prices are somewhat cheaper with the drink.

It was very packed saturday night. I was expecting it to be empty because of oxegen.

Fajitas!

Wait - since when is the forum free before 12???

The reason I've not been to the forum in yonks is because of the tenner in. And I was living in Dublin. But lets say it was because of the tenner in.

dazftw

Fajitas! wrote: »

Wait - since when is the forum free before 12???

The reason I've not been to the forum in yonks is because of the tenner in. And I was living in Dublin. But lets say it was because of the tenner in.

Last few weeks as far as im aware...

nkay1985

Fajitas! wrote: »

Wait - since when is the forum free before 12???

The reason I've not been to the forum in yonks is because of the tenner in. And I was living in Dublin. But lets say it was because of the tenner in.

It's been that way for a good few weeks now apparently. Seemingly the idea is working and crowds are increasing again.

Any detail on the Revolution revamp?

ziedth

Anon0000 wrote: »

Harveys have just announced a 4million euro revamp creating an extra 50 jobs.

Jesus they did well over the cover charge so

Musicman2000

ziedth wrote: »

Jesus they did well over the cover charge so

lol strange the banks are lending to them, Revolution is meant to be open in Early August

AdMMM

dazftw wrote: »

Forum is free in before 12 and prices are somewhat cheaper with the drink.

It was very packed saturday night. I was expecting it to be empty because of oxegen.

Are they really cheaper though? It's still €5.25 for a pint. It's about time they did something to try bring back the masses, but it will be interesting to see how Revolution affects them when they open up their new bar. I'm pretty sick of the forum and I know of plenty of people who are just dying for an alternative!

rayc

Was talkin to a mate who did some work in Revolution during the week, said it was opening this weekend. Not sure how true that is but so he said....

rayc

>>(Kazbar,EA,Masons,Muldoons,Oxygen,Rubys club and lounge,Revolution and Harveys).


Out of the few places you mentioned what are peoples recent experiences with them?

I've been in Kazbar a few times recently and after 12 it was dead (apart from maybe a few in the top floor).

Rubys Lounge is generally always busy but might have a lot to do with the small size and layout of the place.

Oxygen.... is this place still open?

What have other people noticed? I think Harveys got quiet after they introduced the door charge, whats it like now though? (haven't been there since :mad:)

clinchy

the forum aint that good dj plays the same set nearly every weekend cant beat muldoons boy

ziedth

i can't stand ruby lounge tbh, nothing wrong with the place per se but the giys who drink there when it gets busy and it basically becomes a free for all in front of the bar with noone wanting to give an inch and let people walk by or get a drink.

merlante

Have to say, although I haven't seen any of them, the amount of gigs advertised between Twister Vics, Ruby's Lounge, Electric Avenue, etc. is quite impressive. I'd say you'd get at least one decent band any night of the week. Not that I could tell you whether they're decent or not, but there are bands playing anyway.

rayc

Agree with previous comments about rubys lounge, it really is poorly laid out and becomes a nightmare when busy. But they are very good for live music though, I'm in there regularly on thursday nights and they always have good quality bands.

larrymiller

rayc wrote: »

>>(Kazbar,EA,Masons,Muldoons,Oxygen,Rubys club and lounge,Revolution and Harveys).


Out of the few places you mentioned what are peoples recent experiences with them?

I've been in Kazbar a few times recently and after 12 it was dead (apart from maybe a few in the top floor).

Rubys Lounge is generally always busy but might have a lot to do with the small size and layout of the place.

Oxygen.... is this place still open?

What have other people noticed? I think Harveys got quiet after they introduced the door charge, whats it like now though? (haven't been there since :mad:)

since harveys started charging on the door the kazbar is staying packed till half 2..

RxQueen

dazftw wrote: »

Forum is free in before 12 and prices are somewhat cheaper with the drink.

It was very packed saturday night. I was expecting it to be empty because of oxegen.

awesome!! , havent been there in a few weeks, thats saturday night sorted now

soooo much better than down town.. ugh was dragged into p-oxygen the last few weeks, now my turn to say where to go !

Musicman2000

What kinds of music do the play in the Forum? is it all the one on thing Indie and rock?

Beeker

Musicman2000 wrote: »

What kinds of music do the play in the Forum? is it all the one on thing Indie and rock?

Yaeh indie and rock, far better than chart sh$t. The free in between 12 is working, the place is full. I noticed the drink prices are also down. Got a pint for 4:80 last saturday up there.

AdMMM

emo!! wrote: »

awesome!! , havent been there in a few weeks, thats saturday night sorted now

soooo much better than down town.. ugh was dragged into p-oxygen the last few weeks, now my turn to say where to go !

I'm not finished work until 12 so I'd actually feel offended having to pay when I got up there!

rayc

larrymiller wrote: »

since harveys started charging on the door the kazbar is staying packed till half 2..

Good to hear other places are benefiting from Harveys greed.

"Harveys have just announced a 4million euro revamp creating an extra 50 jobs."

Anyone know anymore on what they're doing for 4 million, must be going to add extra floors possibly?

ziedth

ya €4m is allot for a revamp, I'd imagine that is prety much gutting the palce. I'm surprised seeing as they only opended it up not too long ago.

rayc

ziedth wrote: »

ya €4m is allot for a revamp, I'd imagine that is prety much gutting the palce. I'm surprised seeing as they only opended it up not too long ago.

Yeah and I'd be surprised if they closed the place for any length of time, they'd lose too much money. They have a few floors above the current bar don't they? Maybe they plan on building a full night club up there? They have just opened a Harveys bar with Mantra night club in Maynooth, would make sense that they'd do the same thing here......

gscully

rayc wrote: »

Yeah and I'd be surprised if they closed the place for any length of time, they'd lose too much money. They have a few floors above the current bar don't they? Maybe they plan on building a full night club up there? They have just opened a Harveys bar with Mantra night club in Maynooth, would make sense that they'd do the same thing here......

Why though? They already exist solely as a late bar and as a viable alternative to a night-club. If they opened a club upstairs, wouldn't they only do damage to Harveys the bar?

rayc

gscully wrote: »

Why though? They already exist solely as a late bar and as a viable alternative to a night-club. If they opened a club upstairs, wouldn't they only do damage to Harveys the bar?

Well I'm just basing it on the model that seems to be used in most other places here and in other cities. Muldoons + Oxygen, Rubys + Rubys Lounge, even the newly done-up Revolutions seemingly has a night-club/dance area upstairs. Maybe they're just trying to draw in the extra night-club crowd that would go to rubys/oxygen, while still retaining the current crowd in the bar.

In a business sense, adding a night-club to the pub would probably only add value to their premises I guess, offering more to the customer. The only question would be whether it was cost-effective in terms of paying extra staff etc..

dazftw

AdMMM wrote: »

Are they really cheaper though? It's still €5.25 for a pint. It's about time they did something to try bring back the masses, but it will be interesting to see how Revolution affects them when they open up their new bar. I'm pretty sick of the forum and I know of plenty of people who are just dying for an alternative!

I think some of the drinks are! I didnt buy any drinks but a few friends were saying pints were a euro cheaper. Bottles are supposed to be the same!

abouttobebanned

Escape Nite Club opening above Revolution week after the spraoi.

Revolution Basement Bar opening Spraoi Weekend.

Harveys may have announced that they're expanding, but that just means they have the plans put together. They're knocking into houses at either side of Harveys and upstairs as well. Could be a super club. I think it's a few years away though as I'm sure they won't mind me saying that they don't have 4 million at the moment...Mantra should help raise that though.

First and foremost there's not enough customers in this town to support three clubs so one will be sacrificed...Unless Rubys get themselves a smoking area, I think that will be the one to go.

All of this does nothing about the problem about too much happening at one end of the town. We need a millionaire to go into the book centre, clear out all the books and open a kick ass bar/club. Spread out the pubs again. Every night then Michael Street could be lit up by some good lightening and some great buskers. A lot of traffic then coming between red square and John Street Village. Even turning the old cinema into a big bar/club would do that and hopefully draw people back into town.

Will people stop going on about prices...blame the brewries blame the government...but if you're paying for bands/DJs/Security/Exemptions in the centre of town, your hands are tied. Sometimes people just sound like little kids demanding cheaper drink....and then you wonder why there are so many bars and clubs closing in this country.

ziedth

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Escape Nite Club opening above Revolution week after the spraoi.

Revolution Basement Bar opening Spraoi Weekend.

Harveys may have announced that they're expanding, but that just means they have the plans put together. They're knocking into houses at either side of Harveys and upstairs as well. Could be a super club. I think it's a few years away though as I'm sure they won't mind me saying that they don't have 4 million at the moment...Mantra should help raise that though.

First and foremost there's not enough customers in this town to support three clubs so one will be sacrificed...Unless Rubys get themselves a smoking area, I think that will be the one to go.

All of this does nothing about the problem about too much happening at one end of the town. We need a millionaire to go into the book centre, clear out all the books and open a kick ass bar/club. Spread out the pubs again. Every night then Michael Street could be lit up by some good lightening and some great buskers. A lot of traffic then coming between red square and John Street Village. Even turning the old cinema into a big bar/club would do that and hopefully draw people back into town.

Will people stop going on about prices...blame the brewries blame the government...but if you're paying for bands/DJs/Security/Exemptions in the centre of town, your hands are tied. Sometimes people just sound like little kids demanding cheaper drink....and then you wonder why there are so many bars and clubs closing in this country.

With respecy mate like me after 6 pints that just doesn't hold water.

Economies of scale would suggest to me that with the amount of customers they have and amount of drink they order the they should by right be cheaper then say the nightclubs in dungarvan or new ross which are cheaper.

Now, i don't know but does anyone here know what kind of profit margins are on beer and spirits? I'd imagine spirts and bottles arw through the roof of you look at it simply like offie prices.

Anyway, i'd love to see harvey's with a massive downstairs seating and & seperate club. I wouldn't loose any sleep over ruby's going under tbh haven't been there since my college days.

RxQueen

AdMMM wrote: »

I'm not finished work until 12 so I'd actually feel offended having to pay when I got up there!

ha hate that !

abouttobebanned

ziedth wrote: »

With respecy mate like me after 6 pints that just doesn't hold water.

Economies of scale would suggest to me that with the amount of customers they have and amount of drink they order the they should by right be cheaper then say the nightclubs in dungarvan or new ross which are cheaper.

Now, i don't know but does anyone here know what kind of profit margins are on beer and spirits? I'd imagine spirts and bottles arw through the roof of you look at it simply like offie prices.

Anyway, i'd love to see harvey's with a massive downstairs seating and & seperate club. I wouldn't loose any sleep over ruby's going under tbh haven't been there since my college days.

With respect mate, you seem to be just guessing and don't really know a lot about what you're talking about.

ziedth

abouttobebanned wrote: »

With respect mate, you seem to be just guessing and don't really know a lot about what you're talking about.

Thats a tad bit uncalled for this is a discussion fourm and that's what i was doing, it should be fairly obvious from my post that i don't know seeing as I SAID so, by the by it's not big or clever to point out typos. I post from the mobile site and you can imagine that i'm not to bothered about exact spelling putting it in through a mobile

longwhitecross+

Every single bar suffers from the same problem.

2.30 close. Ain't never heard of nothing like it before coming to Ireland.

dazftw

longwhitecross+ wrote: »

Every single bar suffers from the same problem.

2.30 close. Ain't never heard of nothing like it before coming to Ireland.

Yeah 2.30 is way too early!

abouttobebanned

ziedth wrote: »

Thats a tad bit uncalled for this is a discussion fourm and that's what i was doing, it should be fairly obvious from my post that i don't know seeing as I SAID so, by the by it's not big or clever to point out typos. I post from the mobile site and you can imagine that i'm not to bothered about exact spelling putting it in through a mobile

First off, apologies, i wasn't highlighting your spelling, I was highlighting your use of the word respect and using it back at ya.

What you think of the discussion to have clubs stay open til 4am...just curious as to what you think...

TriceMarie

As someone mentioned,I think making the old cinema into a bar/club would be great.
Really,it would be awesome if there was a restaurant in it too,as I think it's fookin ridiculous how early the restaurants close at at present :mad:

seanybiker

i dunno i had great laugh in rhon mhor tonight.

ToxicPaddy

Id say Harveys will go the way of Muldoons/Oxygen, nite club upstairs and downstairs will be a late night bar midweek..

At the moment its only a weekend venue unless the students are around.

They also have plenty of room to expand as part of the purchase was 2 houses on the left as you look at it and one on the right iirc..

I could also see Oxygen possibly closing and turning into another venue like Masons, maybe one better designed for live bands etc..

Will be interesting to see, but I definitely agree with another poster, I dont think Waterford has the population to support another big niteclub in the town.. Granted on a busy Sat night, the place is hopping and they could fill it, but thats probably 1 weekend in every 4-6 weekends.. so wouldnt be economically viable especially in the current economic climate to open another one unless the competition is changing theirs..

Add to this, the fact that the owners of Harveys and Oxygen/Rubys have been doing business together for a while so I could see that being a factor and I cant see them suddenly changing all this.

Maybe if they do choose to redo Oxygen/Muldoons, then Harveys will go first, do the renovations, open and Oxygen closes for its renovations and Harveys takes the crowds..

Its all a theory but does kinda make sense.

Tox

abouttobebanned

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

Id say Harveys will go the way of Muldoons/Oxygen, nite club upstairs and downstairs will be a late night bar midweek..

At the moment its only a weekend venue unless the students are around.

They also have plenty of room to expand as part of the purchase was 2 houses on the left as you look at it and one on the right iirc..

I could also see Oxygen possibly closing and turning into another venue like Masons, maybe one better designed for live bands etc..

Will be interesting to see, but I definitely agree with another poster, I dont think Waterford has the population to support another big niteclub in the town.. Granted on a busy Sat night, the place is hopping and they could fill it, but thats probably 1 weekend in every 4-6 weekends.. so wouldnt be economically viable especially in the current economic climate to open another one unless the competition is changing theirs..

Add to this, the fact that the owners of Harveys and Oxygen/Rubys have been doing business together for a while so I could see that being a factor and I cant see them suddenly changing all this.

Maybe if they do choose to redo Oxygen/Muldoons, then Harveys will go first, do the renovations, open and Oxygen closes for its renovations and Harveys takes the crowds..

Its all a theory but does kinda make sense.

Tox

It would make sense if the owners of harveys and the owner of oxygen didn't hate each other and kept trying to out do each other. Which of course gets that bit harder when you don't have any money.

rayc

abouttobebanned wrote:

Will people stop going on about prices...blame the brewries blame the government...but if you're paying for bands/DJs/Security/Exemptions in the centre of town, your hands are tied. Sometimes people just sound like little kids demanding cheaper drink....and then you wonder why there are so many bars and clubs closing in this country.

I do understand that there are added expenses to running a late-night city centre bar (than say an urban bar), and that justifies a higher price on a pint. Added to the Govt. tax this really pushes a lot of publicans to the brink. But do you really think that justifys the prices being charged by some of the places in town? I still find that hard to believe. I recently posted the CSOs most recent figures on the average price of a pint in Dublin and the prices in some of the places here were way above those. Surely Waterford publicans cannot be subject to higher costs for bands/DJs/Secutiry etc than those in Dublin???

savic04

thank god for Elec Ave and those type bars... Otherwise Waterford would have no choice at all..

Rubys, Oxygen, Harveys are all basically the same thing.. Kids Disco's!
with the same music week in week out and overpirced drink, why on earth would pints price go up as the night goes on?

Harveys are the worst for this, no wonder they are planning 4m renovations... I wont be too sad when any of those places closes because they have conned people long enough with their crazy prices for drink.

vixenbees

I think everyone goes through phases of diff bars that they like so the pubs manage to stay in the loop. As soon as you give up on 1 place and they loose your business, there'll be other crowds who deicde they love that place...so it keeps going. Thats what I find with Waterford anyway. I think all the people who were sick of Muldoons moved onto Harveys... people who were sick of the Forum moved onto Electric Avenue... people who were sick of/grew out of Rubys moved onto the Forum.

Adyx

savic04 wrote: »

thank god for Elec Ave and those type bars... Otherwise Waterford would have no choice at all..

Rubys, Oxygen, Harveys are all basically the same thing.. Kids Disco's!
with the same music week in week out and overpirced drink, why on earth would pints price go up as the night goes on?

Harveys are the worst for this, no wonder they are planning 4m renovations... I wont be too sad when any of those places closes because they have conned people long enough with their crazy prices for drink.

Where does this happen?

vixenbees

Adyx wrote: »

Where does this happen?

Revolution increase their prices after midnight. They have a price list as you go in the door, it has 2 columns - one set of prices before 12, and another set of prices after 12.

Odats

Was in Ruby Lounge last night packed when I went in there and good band which makes it more enjoyable. Peters out when the band finishes around 1.30ish but still as previous posters said it is too small with no expansion available with the woodman beside it.
Just a tip that I do when I'm in there is buy your drink in the Woodman and not in the Lounge as:
1) You're not queuing for ages
2)Drink is nearly a euro cheaper well on a bottle of Heineken it is. 6.50 in Ruby Lounge, 5.60 in Woodman. Sure you have to go to the jacks in there so kill two birds with one stone and get drinks on way back.

AdMMM

Adyx wrote: »

Where does this happen?

Happens in Ruby Lounge, Kazbar, Electric Avenue to name but a few. I'd imagine it's in all the late bars?

Adyx

AdMMM wrote: »

Happens in Ruby Lounge, Kazbar, Electric Avenue to name but a few. I'd imagine it's in all the late bars?

I thought the other poster meant prices went up continuously (like every hour or so). Doesn't happen in Muldoon's.

RxQueen

Adyx wrote: »

Where does this happen?

harvey's do it aswell

AdMMM

Am I right in saying that they're not allowed do that? As far as I'm aware, a pub can't temporarily increase their prices unless it's for the duration of the day. So if a pub increases their prices at midnight, then the increase has to be in place until midnight the next day.

vixenbees

AdMMM wrote: »

Am I right in saying that they're not allowed do that? As far as I'm aware, a pub can't temporarily increase their prices unless it's for the duration of the day. So if a pub increases their prices at midnight, then the increase has to be in place until midnight the next day.

do you mean midnight to midday? cos midnight to midnight would be 24 hours..? if it is midnight to midday then that would probably work for most pubs as they dont open that early anyway.

i doubt its illegal if they have the pre 12am and post 12am signs on the door?