The ride on Drumbeat in Gowran

Kauto

That was the blantant attempt at stopping a horse i have ever seen. He should be banned for a month. Didnt back the horse(Too short for me) but i would be fuming if i did. Made no attempt to win the race. Heffernan u crook

decies

Not the worse that i have seen to be honest,johnny murtagh at chester a few months ago looked much worse.

rubayat

S P Mccann in punchestown!!

Kauto

Just read there that he got a four day ban. Should have been a four month ban. A total crook. Look at the poor fellas in england getting half year bans for the same thing and everyone is at it!

kingofcastle

Bye bye Seamie...shocking stuff!!

rubayat

Just watched the replay,

I think a 4 day ban is harsh!

Seamie went for a gap a couple of furlongs out between two horses and the door closed on him (happens all the time) , by the time he pulled back to go around them it was too late, these things happen and I wouldnt blame seamie.

I wouldnt be surprised if he appeals and gets let off.

Thats just racing!

applehunter

That is not racing.

Watched it there on the website. Very suspect ride.:mad:

smartaform

There was some interference but this is a daily occurence!!!

I'd say at least 5-6 cases a day of the so called 'NON TRIER' rule is broken! It is just another example of how useless stewards actually are, they bring in rules yet seem to forget about them until the media pipes up.

The BHA and HRI stewards need to go on a training camp in Hong Kong and Australia and be taught by some proper stewards.

Kauto

Heffernan is well known for it. He also have a loud mouth. Not to be trusted. The gap was never going to open. He had plenty of time to move out. Decided to do it with 150yrds left when 10 lenghts down. Id say some of the stable had a few euro on the winner. Heffernan one of the biggest mouths in irish racing. The way to make money in irish racing is to lay all O'Brien horses that there is money for because very few win.

Fromvert

Kauto wrote: »

Heffernan is well known for it. He also have a loud mouth. Not to be trusted. The gap was never going to open. He had plenty of time to move out. Decided to do it with 150yrds left when 10 lenghts down. Id say some of the stable had a few euro on the winner. Heffernan one of the biggest mouths in irish racing. The way to make money in irish racing is to lay all O'Brien horses that there is money for because very few win.

I tend to think that it is the opposite, money for AOB horses tends to be a good sign.
Thought it was a pretty shocking ride by Heffernan.

Kauto

Fromvert, well i can tell u the opposite is true. Watch the next few times (Excluding the g 1 races) when the money comes and see how many win. Layers dream!

Fromvert

I read your post a little wrong:o, the minute I read it I was just thinking of the Grp 1s.

I'll have a look over the next few weeks.

Whyno

rubayat wrote: »

Just watched the replay,

I think a 4 day ban is harsh!

Seamie went for a gap a couple of furlongs out between two horses and the door closed on him (happens all the time) , by the time he pulled back to go around them it was too late, these things happen and I wouldnt blame seamie.

I wouldnt be surprised if he appeals and gets let off.

Thats just racing!

Gap my ase...This was blatant imo..No gap was ever der. He hid the horse in behind the 2 in front of him from over 2 furlongs out. He had more than enough time to switch the horse out and go about winning the race but he chose not to which was criminal for anyone who punted on him.
A 4 day ban is a let off for him and it shouldve been a lot more severe imo.
This happens a lot with AOB`s horses that we see the outsider of the two winning and whenever the outsider does win its heavily punted more often than not.
Lol at someone sayin lay the horses ders money for. This is d road to the poorhouse imo. These guys are the best in the wold and know der horses better than anythin and when they say der horse will win well itll win and they will back it.

Bluetonic

Importance Of Perception

July 13, 2009 by Brian O'Connor

Seamus Heffernan got a four day suspension at Gowran Park on Friday night for what the stewards described as an ‘injudicious’ on Drumbeat. The jockey in turn called their decision ‘a joke.’ The curious thing is that while neither side might be totally right, they very definitely aren’t totally wrong either.

That isn’t meant to be yet another slide-rule, down-the-middle cop out. It’s just a reflection of the realities of a case that illustrates perfectly the subtleties of what can happen out on the track any day of the week, especially when dealing with a horse like Drumbeat.

Possessed of no small measure of talent, but also a disinclination to use it, he is, to use the racing vernacular, something of a hound - And a sizable one at that.

Heffernan’s task in persuading him to win a race that was well within his grasp on overall form was unenviable. Watching the race unfold, it became even more so.

When Hail Caesar took off into a long lead, Heffernan was always going to need something to give him a tow in pursuit. Drumbeat’s psychological quirks mean he might be able to tank, but his resolution once off the bridle can make Frankie Howerd look like a panzer commander.

So when the two other horses in front of him couldn’t get next or near to Hail Caesar, Drumbeat’s habit of chucking the towel in left his jockey in no-man’s-land. From the point of view of connections, Heffernan gambled tactically and lost: end of story.

But from any other point of view it looked bad: the favourite’s stable companion is allowed a long, easy solo in front while Drumbeat is kept hidden in behind.

No doubt Heffernan’s reasons for doing what he did are completely valid. But from a perception point of view, if the stewards hadn’t acted, then they could have catapulted their credibility into the air, grabbed some shotguns and shouted ‘pull!’

And in racing, possibly more than any other sport, perception is of huge importance.

That doesn’t mean that ultimately it is the substance of what happens that matters most, something that Heffernan hopes will win him his appeal against the suspension. But Friday night’s race will have looked terrible to an awful lot of people who don’t have Heffernan’s familiarity with Drumbeat’s neuroses.

“I don’t ride for punters, I ride for Aidan O’Brien,” fumed the jockey, which is fair enough, albeit in a pretty blinkered way.

But he is also riding for excellent levels of prizemoney which is largely the result of punters spending their cash in betting shops up and down the country. A pretty sceptical breed at the best of times, it is surely of supreme interest to all racing professionals to make sure that that scepticism doesn’t turn into disillusionment.

Clearly that doesn’t give punters omniscient insights into the intricacies of what is happening in front of their eyes on the television screen. But the Drumbeat case definitely looked bad enough for the stewards to look at it and their description of Heffernan’s ride as injudicious was as fair a summary in the circumstances as they could reasonably be expected to come up with.

In fact instead of giving out about how ridiculous the four day ban is, Heffernan could alternatively thank his lucky stars that the stewards on duty knew the context of what they were looking at, just as much as the actual evidence of their eyes.

On the face of it they could have reached for a much more severe sentence but clearly the stewards recognised the unpromising material Heffernan was working with. So on balance, it’s a thumbs-up for the Gowran stewards.

It’s hardly an exact science though. The following day at the Curragh contained a performance that, to use some more racing vernacular, could be described as ‘eye-catching’: glaringly so, in fact. However there wasn’t so much as a chirp from the stewards room about it. Now that was a wrong call.

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Dan Chipowski

4 days well deserved in my opinion. Anyone who says the ride can be put down to interference needs their eyes testing, it was a small field race and he had loads of room to pull him out earlier.

Fact is he pulled the horse out and made an effort way, way too late..even if he thought the leader might tire. At best it was injudicious, at worst it was blatant skullduggery.

You can't prove the latter, so the 4 days is about the right call imo.

Kauto

Whyno u are taking complete rubbish. I am tellng u look at the horses that are backed and the Majority of them lose. One did win on sun in curragh but that was an exception.

Whyno

Kauto wrote: »

Whyno u are taking complete rubbish. I am tellng u look at the horses that are backed and the Majority of them lose. One did win on sun in curragh but that was an exception.

Dont think i am Kauto...When the guys in coolmore put the money down they win.End of story.
Just cos an AOB horse gets backed off the boards doesnt mean its der money.
If you think you will make a living from laying his horses well fair play.
examples of some of the gambles i know of orchestrated by the stable are
Septimus winning his maiden, footstepsinthesand winning his maiden
Soldieroffortune winnin the coronation, dylan thomas`s first champion stakes
& when he won irish derby(They just failed at epsom)
Most of Duke of Marmalades wins he was punted heavily by them.
Again i will say that sometimes gambles do go astray but imo they collect more often than not.

Goldcupfav

Drumbeat goin tonight at naas!! 11/4 into 5/2 with powers ! Johnny on board !! Any takers lol !!