FRAZIER VS. TYSON

mufc4lfe

Two of the greatest Heavyweight Champions.Who would win and why?

cowzerp

In my opinion Tyson wins in a 1 off fight, there very similar in style but i think Tyson is a more powerful and fast version and for that reason i'd give the win to Tyson, but in saying that Frazier could be like Evander and just out bully Tyson which he did not like, it all comes down to wheter he can take Iron Mikes punch.

Interesting fight


Get in on this lads and after this we should start a new 1 and keep them going for a while, some great fantasy matches out there..

walshb

Frazier's style and size will be awkward for Tyson. Tyson likes the men a little bigger and taller and not so blocky and sturdy. Joe's chin is damn good and even George could not KO him. It took 6 knock downs from one of the hardest hitters in history
to win. Foreman's size and strength and power was all wrong for Joe.

Tyson does not possess the strength or size that George did and I feel that in close,
Joe will definitely be the boss here. Mike is not a 'boxer' with amazing skill or footwork. He meets you head on and this should suit Frazier. The longer this bout goes, the more I favor Joe's conditioning and pounding and will to win.

This is a bad match for Mike and if he cannot budge Joe, which is likely, he will not win
this bout. I also do not see Mike being able to back Frazier up.

Mike Tyson at peak was a menace, and sometimes even a menace can
be beaten. Joe's combination of "size" and power and conditioning and strength and chin and will to win and physical physique could well pose major issues for Tyson.

Over 15 rds the fight is Joe's, providing he takes the shots. I think he will and I think he wins

itouchmyself

This is a fight I always argue with people about ha, in my opinion Frazier would be to much for Tyson. Tyson was unbelievable but once someone stood up to him he wasnt the same, half the people he fought were afraid of the power were as I dont think Frazier would of taking a step back and once the first 5 6 rounds were over Frazier would start dominating.
Frazier had some heart, do you think Tyson could off got up and still trying to fight after been dropped 6 times by Foreman?

cowzerp

Bump-come on lads, give it a go!!

Kess73

Assuming both had the access to the same level of training, diet etc, and both are at their peak. I will go for Tyson by stoppage.


He had the power to stop almost anyone when at his peak, but where I think he wins the fight is in his speed.


I think history has been a little unkind to Tyson in that his outside the ring activities and his latter fights have become his legacy, more than the fighter he was in the mid 80's. While he may never have been a technician in the ring, I do think his skills were underrated, and he could take a punch too. I do think that he let way too many people influence his thinking, and that without a strong hand to guide him, his mental strength and will to win at all costs eroded. Some may say it was never there to start with and that the Holyfield losses just highlighted what the Douglas loss hinted at in terms of lacking resolve. But I think the early Tyson had resolve and heart and would go into the trenches with Frazier and be the one that came out standing.


For my money, the Tyson from 1986/87 would beat any version of Frazier. He would hit too hard and too often for Frazier.

dlofnep

Tyson would destroy him. Frazier was really a cruiserweight, he was tiny. He was 205lbs when he fought Ali the first time. 203 against Jerry Quarry. Tyson was about 15lbs of solid muscle heavier than him and would bully Frazier around. I don't think it would be close, and I'm a big fan of Frazier, but I don't think he could handle Tyson's ferocity.

itouchmyself

dlofnep wrote: »

Tyson would destroy him. Frazier was really a cruiserweight, he was tiny. He was 205lbs when he fought Ali the first time. 203 against Jerry Quarry. Tyson was about 15lbs of solid muscle heavier than him and would bully Frazier around. I don't think it would be close, and I'm a big fan of Frazier, but I don't think he could handle Tyson's ferocity.

Frazier never took a backwards step even with Forman, so no matter what the result may have been I highly doubt Tyson would have bullyed him.

Tyson loved the bigger men, but Fraziers style, size and heart would have won it for him in my opinion!

walshb

Although Joe was smaller weight wise, both were equal i height and even at 205 lbs, Joe was ultra ultra strong and I think the extra weight Tyson has will not see him automatically be stronger. In close, I back Frazier to be the boss.
This fight is not a gimme' for either man and it all boils down to Joe being able or not to take the power. I think he does, just about, and his superior
work rate and stamina will see him win this

slipss

I've got to give this one to Joe. A couple of people mentioned that they think Tysons speed would give him the edge but in my opinion Frazer was certainly the faster of the two (quick enough to slip Ali's jab and beat him to the punch consistantly), by a small margin in terms of hand speed but he was quicker when it came to his footwork and head movement. Tyson was a force of nature in his prime but a big part of his game was intimidating people, getting them to back onto the ropes, I don't think there is a chance of him being able to do that with Joe. I think Tyson has a chance of getting the knockout because lets face it he could hit hard enough to KO anyone, but I think Frazer makes Tyson miss and lands combos and counter punches bang on target all day as Mike comes forward in straight lines. I'd bet on a KO for Joe in the second half of the fight.

ocianain

walshb wrote: »

Although Joe was smaller weight wise, both were equal i height and even at 205 lbs, Joe was ultra ultra strong and I think the extra weight Tyson has will not see him automatically be stronger. In close, I back Frazier to be the boss.
This fight is not a gimme' for either man and it all boils down to Joe being able or not to take the power. I think he does, just about, and his superior
work rate and stamina will see him win this

Frazier was huge at 205! Ran into him at a disco in Philadelphia (friend of mine inadvertently threw a drink on him, but that's another story), super nice guy, him giving 10-15 pounds is no big deal. It's often unappreciated how good he was at picking off/slipping shots. His motion/ring generalship would allow him to defeat Tyson. Tyson was fragile emotionally, he lost against Douglass because, he could not intimidate him. No way Tyson intimidates, backs up Frazier

robfowler78

I agree history is unkind to Tyson anyone who thinks Tyson had no heart or hated people that stood up to him take alook at the Ruddock fights. They were both trowing bombs in those fights. The young Tyson was just a fighting machine but buy the time Holyfield came around he couldn't fight past 6 rounds his stamina and skills were eroded an unfortunately this is what alot of people remember. IMO the young Tyson would have stopped Joe late on in a war but the later Tyson would take a beaten from Joe before been stopped in 6 rounds.

hshortt

You'd have to put them on both at their physical peaks. I think it would be an incredible match, the pre-match press conferences would be comical, with Frazier taunting Tyson and calling him Tom and so on (Rumble in the Jungle!) Tyson would just stare at him with his fighting face on. - His talking would be in the ring.

Early rounds, Tyson can't get close but keeps on marching on top of Frazier, Frazier just keeps lashing out the jabs and trying to get a haymaker off. But the shorter Tyson covers, guards, and moves and avoids any serious bumps.

Middle Rounds, Tyson's getting through now, landing a few bombs of his own and shaking Frazier. Frazier is not dancing anymore and looks stunned by the raw power behind the punches.

Late rounds, it's give and take, a middle of the ring slog-fest. One for one the punches are thrown and slowly but surely the short-tempered-short man is wearing the taller talker down.

It might go the distance, (the only way we'd get a sequel) but I'd be giving it to Tyson. He was just in my time if you know what I mean. I remember watching so many of this fights. Don't know if you guys have seen the Tyson movie, but it's very good and well done in my opinion.

Anyway, thanks for the fantasy!

Cheerio

cowzerp

hshortt wrote: »

You'd have to put them on both at their physical peaks. I think it would be an incredible match, the pre-match press conferences would be comical, with Frazier taunting Tyson and calling him Tom and so on (Rumble in the Jungle!) Tyson would just stare at him with his fighting face on. - His talking would be in the ring.

Early rounds, Tyson can't get close but keeps on marching on top of Frazier, Frazier just keeps lashing out the jabs and trying to get a haymaker off. But the shorter Tyson covers, guards, and moves and avoids any serious bumps.

Middle Rounds, Tyson's getting through now, landing a few bombs of his own and shaking Frazier. Frazier is not dancing anymore and looks stunned by the raw power behind the punches.

Late rounds, it's give and take, a middle of the ring slog-fest. One for one the punches are thrown and slowly but surely the short-tempered-short man is wearing the taller talker down.

It might go the distance, (the only way we'd get a sequel) but I'd be giving it to Tyson. He was just in my time if you know what I mean. I remember watching so many of this fights. Don't know if you guys have seen the Tyson movie, but it's very good and well done in my opinion.

Anyway, thanks for the fantasy!

Cheerio

Going by your take on the fight i think your mixing frazier up with Ali or someone else, frazier dancing and been tall etc..

hshortt

Yes! Sorry for that, title said Frazier, but I just 'imagined' it as Clay. FFS! New thread to hide my embarrasment please.

Cheers

Rodgrigez

This is an interesting 1. Think it all depends on what Tyson we are talking about, Tyson during the Kevin Rooney years would have won no question, that sytle of a much lighter fighter constant head movement always throwing combinations to the head and body. However Tyson changed his sytle later on in his career he began to throw single shots and head hunt and came in round and not cut too often. Joe Frazier against this Tyson would have weathered the early rounds and got a majority decision however Tyson never lost his power even late on in his career just ask Clifford Ethiene. Either way Joe would have never have stopped Tyson. In summary Tyson that fought Trevor Berbick and Michael Spinks would win early round stoppage he be without question too fast, too powerful and would overwhelm Joe. The Tyson that fought Lewis or Holyfield, Joe could have ground out a result. Joe would have defo beat the Tyson that fought Kevin McBride or Danny Williams.

megadodge

Although it's all just a matter of opinion, I'm very surprised at some of the pro Frazier arguments here, as I think this is a disastrous matchup for Joe.

Before I go any further, in these scenarios naturally we're talking about the best version of both fighters, so talk of Tyson's later years is pointless just as it would be about Joe's or Ali's or anybody's.

I agree with those who suggest that Joe would be the better fighter inside, as Mike wasn't that good up close, the problem for Joe is getting there. Tyson was a skilful, well conditioned fighter, who was incredibly fast but more than that, was also very accurate and threw in combinations.

If Foreman could connect regularly with Frazier then surely Tyson could as he was way faster and a much more accurate and calculated puncher than George. The key punch in the Foreman fight was the uppercut and Tyson's uppercut was as good as any.

This would be an early TKO for Tyson, as the big disparity in speed, combined with Joe's average defence would see him walking into viscous combinations and going down hard, getting up, going down again and probably getting up as he had an amazing heart, but being stopped by the ref.

Rodgrigez

I agree with you the amount of posts which are pro Frazier is shocking really. Sorry.

The reason I mentioned Tyson after the wheels fell off is because the only reason I can think people are Pro Frazier is because they are looking at the Tyson that fought Holyfield or Lewis. Tyson at his best would have beaten both Lewis and Holyfield. People may argue Tyson was younger then Lewis and Holyfield but Tyson's problem was never his age, it was lack of desire and heart in his later career and he had too many personal problems inside and outside the ring. Anyway im goin off the track here.

In my opinion anybody who knows Tyson or boxing for that matter could not think Frazier (AT HIS BEST) would beat Tyson (AT HIS BEST). It is a total mismatch

Tony Broke

As great as Joe was no smaller man, beats a 18-20 year old Tyson!!! Giving away 15lbs ( sometimes 20lbs ) and beating a late teens Tyson is not going to happen, its crazy talk imo! No smaller man even came close to Tyson in his prime and there was a reason for that.Its not if he gets inside, its when and then its over for Joe.

I think Tyson would do the same as George did.Only quicker, his prime was so intense, I think at 19 he could have beaten George too.Who as funny as it sounds was maybe a bit over-rated, his defence for example in his young prime days was terribile, even a man as powerful as him needed a defence, as proven by Ali and nearly Lyle.To say a young Tyson wouldn't have landed a few on George is a bit insulting to Tyson I think, he would have scared George big time! 8 out of 10 fights Tyson would probably lose, but George would feel his tnt in one of two of them.Both had excellent chins ( Tyson could take a punch, stamina played a big part in his ko's )