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what film

  • 09-07-2009 2:29pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,393 ✭✭✭


    those of you that shoot 35mm film - what do you generally buy and why choose it?
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭duffarama


    My favourite films are Fuji pro400h as I like the colours and it's a fairly useful ISO for use in this country.

    For black and white I use Ilford xp2 as i haven't dared to process a roll by myself yet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Anouilh


    Portra:
    http://wwww.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59866344&postcount=1

    It seems to shine on screen in ways other film does not.

    I should do more printing and compare with fujifilm Reala which is beautifully smooth.

    There are some posts about film on my Shortsights blog, mostly from last year.

    I still prefer film to digital as the detail is so much better, I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭trishw78


    B&W Ilford, It's been awhile since I bought colour, but I used to get Kodachrome, I'll have to look into buying colour again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    trishw78 wrote: »
    B&W Ilford

    +1

    Takes ages to get it developed but well worth it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭jao


    trishw78 wrote: »
    B&W Ilford, It's been awhile since I bought colour, but I used to get Kodachrome, I'll have to look into buying colour again.


    Ilford is the best. Fuji shop RIGHT next door to me wont touch it though. :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Anouilh


    AnCatDubh wrote: »
    those of you that shoot 35mm film - what do you generally buy and why choose it?

    It would be interesting to know why you ask this. I used read a lot of reviews of film brands, just to build up a working knowledge of ISO and help my vocabulary.

    Do you have a favourite film? I've had some really nice effects with the free Fuji film I used get when having work processed.

    Velvia for slides is nice:

    http://picturethis.channel4.com/photo/18720#


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    AnCatDubh wrote: »
    those of you that shoot 35mm film - what do you generally buy and why choose it?

    tri-x for B&W mostly, although I mix and match all the time. I like seeing what different B&W films do. At the moment I have a couple of rolls of neopan 1600 to get through to see if they'll do better than delta 3200, and some pan f to try.

    Fuji for slide, Provia 400x is a godsend.

    Kodak for print film. All the Portras, with a special place in my heart for portra NC shot at about 125 or so. Also Ektar which is rapidly becoming my favouritest film of all time. Portra 800 is probably the best fast colour film, at least for scanning. I've never managed to scan the fast fuji negative films successfully. They turn baddd.
    jao wrote: »
    Ilford is the best. Fuji shop RIGHT next door to me wont touch it though. :(

    Nothing to do with it being Ilford, they wouldn't be able to develop fuji Neopan either, any proper B&W film. Try some of the C-41 B&W films and they'll be able to develop. Or start developing yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,393 ✭✭✭AnCatDubh


    Anouilh wrote: »
    It would be interesting to know why you ask this. I used read a lot of reviews of film brands, just to build up a working knowledge of ISO and help my vocabulary.

    Do you have a favourite film? I've had some really nice effects with the free Fuji film I used get when having work processed.

    Aha, the inquisitive mind :) My last experience with 35mm film was many years ago and only with a P&S film cameras of varying kinds including a really cool Yashica yoke. My first digital P&S (A Kodak 2.1MP something or other) had me hooked and never to process film again. But I bought a 50 lens a while back and it happened to have a Pentax Me Super attached to it ;)

    My curiosity has been steadily increasing and I reckon I should give it a go with the Me Super. I often look back on old pictures and marvel at the dynamic range and rich contrast but I have never shot with a film SLR and now I have one which is more than capable so I am curious, curious, very curious.

    But i've just no idea what film I would have used previously so hence I'm interested to see what others use and why they use it.

    I want to try both colour and black and white and see how I like the results.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Anouilh


    AnCatDubh wrote: »
    Aha, the inquisitive mind :

    I want to try both colour and black and white and see how I like the results.


    Also, it seemed polite to show an interest in your experience...

    Now I'm very glad I asked. Most of your success will depend on who processes your film. I had some hit and miss experiences before I found the Fuji Shop in Dundrum Shopping Centre... poor scanning to CD and, in some cases, scratched negatives.
    I was advised to always ask for negatives to be left uncut, as later on it is not so dear to get them printed.
    Also, because it can be an expensive hobby, I just get film processed and scanned and rarely ask for prints.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    Anouilh wrote: »
    Now I'm very glad I asked. Most of your success will depend on who processes your film. I had some hit and miss experiences before I found the Fuji Shop in Dundrum Shopping Centre... poor scanning to CD and, in some cases, scratched negatives.

    I eventually had to start developing all my own colour along with my B&W because of this. Cheaper too. about €1.50 a roll to do all my own development and scanning. Although of course the scanner DID cost a little over €600 when I got it. Thats a whole pile of film development right there :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    I've been using the free fuji stuff from unicare the past while. Results haven't been too bad. Have an Ilford B+W and a T-Max B+W, both 3200. T max was over €8 in Gunnes, ouch


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭Novella


    B&W, I always use Ilford HP5 :)


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,665 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    The free Fuji is200. 1. Because it's free.

    I've still got about 400 rolls of it so I'll be on it for a while.

    If I had a choice and money then Ilford for B+W and for colour I'd always be trying different ones. Liked Kodachrome a lot and didn't mind the wait. I was always surprised at how quick it was in retuning. I mostly used Kodachrome living in Israel and it'd be back in just over a week. Took a little longer here someyimes but sure it's only waiting which I've never found hard work. Now immediacey I get a headache from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    humberklog wrote: »
    I've still got about 400 rolls of it so I'll be on it for a while.

    :D


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,665 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    :D

    I know:o.
    People just started picking it up for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,319 ✭✭✭sineadw


    HP5 400 is really lovely for low contrast stuff, but if you want something with a bit more punch you could try the FP4? The 125 is lovely for portraits if you get the light. I exposed a roll of PanF plus 50 a while ago by accident :(

    Actually, you've just reminded me - gonna bring the film camera and some nice film into a studio shoot I have on Saturday :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Slidinginfinity


    humberklog wrote: »
    The free Fuji is200. 1. Because it's free.

    I've still got about 400 rolls of it so I'll be on it for a while.

    If I had a choice and money then Ilford for B+W and for colour I'd always be trying different ones. Liked Kodachrome a lot and didn't mind the wait. I was always surprised at how quick it was in retuning. I mostly used Kodachrome living in Israel and it'd be back in just over a week. Took a little longer here someyimes but sure it's only waiting which I've never found hard work. Now immediacey I get a headache from.

    If ya don't mind my asking, what is the deal with this free film? Seen Humberklog post his? stuff with the free film listed for awhile now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Panhour


    I pick film because of the texture and colour tone and this varies on what my mood is!!
    At the moment its Fujifilm NPS 160 for colour, Velvia for slide and Ilford HP4 or 5. I have some Ilford PanF plus 50 that I'm looking forward to trying....

    There is a plug in for photoshop that will give you different film effects, Its Dxo about 80 euro to buy, but a free trial available here if you want to see what different films do!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    Panhour wrote: »
    There is a plug in for photoshop that will give you different film effects, Its Dxo about 80 euro to buy, but a free trial available here if you want to see what different films do!

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭ThOnda


    I am personally torn between home processing (that I don't want to do, but love the final product) and lab processing of standard films. Got my old camera back into my hands and I just cannot wait to load some film into it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭trishw78


    Tallon wrote: »
    +1

    Takes ages to get it developed but well worth it

    I develop it myself it only takes a max of 30 mins, from loading the film in the tank to drying.
    jao wrote: »
    Ilford is the best. Fuji shop RIGHT next door to me wont touch it though. :(

    You should learn to develop it yourself it's dead easy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    Material wise, how much money are we talking to get a devolpement kit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Anouilh


    Panhour wrote: »
    I pick film because of the texture and colour tone and this varies on what my mood is!!
    At the moment its Fujifilm NPS 160 for colour, Velvia for slide and Ilford HP4 or 5. I have some Ilford PanF plus 50 that I'm looking forward to trying....

    There is a plug in for photoshop that will give you different film effects, Its Dxo about 80 euro to buy, but a free trial available here if you want to see what different films do!

    Those plugins are fun to use.

    I've just tagged some of the threads from the past with "film, analog" and names of film used, for example "velvia". If others here do the same, we will have a quick link to all the threads already on Boards.ie.

    There are many film groups on Flickr, including ones that give tips for recipes for developing.

    I like this group as the discussion is varied:

    http://www.flickr.com/groups/film_is_not_dead/discuss/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭thefizz


    Tallon wrote: »
    Material wise, how much money are we talking to get a devolpement kit

    €100 max should get you all you need. Some goood info here on what required:

    http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/200629163442455.pdf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    I eventually had to start developing all my own colour along with my B&W because of this. Cheaper too. about €1.50 a roll to do all my own development and scanning. Although of course the scanner DID cost a little over €600 when I got it. Thats a whole pile of film development right there :rolleyes:

    What type of scanner did you get Daire?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,217 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    If ya don't mind my asking, what is the deal with this free film? Seen Humberklog post his? stuff with the free film listed for awhile now.

    A lot of Unicare pharmacys are giving away free Fuji 200 36exp film. Some of them are out of it at the moment. I picked up 700 rolls myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    FX Meister wrote: »
    What type of scanner did you get Daire?

    Nikon Coolscan V


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    Panhour wrote: »

    There is a plug in for photoshop that will give you different film effects, Its Dxo about 80 euro to buy, but a free trial available here if you want to see what different films do!

    3308136424_d924017446.jpg

    the plug in is ok, doesnt really represent real film tho... something just cant be replicated digitally with film...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Anouilh


    With film, learning about how exposure is more critical than with digital. This might help:

    http://www.flickr.com/groups/49058515@N00/discuss/72157617912898395/

    I think I mentioned this before, but it's very worthwhile writing down the ev and tv values, recording the number of stops on the exposure scale when taking photos. Then look at the photos closely and see what the differences are. It sets up a subconscious body of information that becomes easier in time.

    http://www.photokaboom.com/photography/learn/tips/054a_exposure_sunny_16.htm

    This site mentions that Kodachrome can be "unforgiving"

    http://dgrin.smugmug.com/gallery/3762805_fpgXr


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    anyone know where i can source some cheap colour slide film ... like Ektachrome in largish batches, maybe 10 rolls. out of date is grand, and anyone know where ya can get neg film xproed in e6 locally?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    anyone know where i can source some cheap colour slide film ... like Ektachrome in largish batches, maybe 10 rolls. out of date is grand, and anyone know where ya can get neg film xproed in e6 locally?

    Try 7dayshop, they occasionally have short dated and out dated film for cheap. Otherwise ebay is probably your best bet. Anywhere that does E6 development (abbey street place & merrion square ) will probably do your xpro for you, but bear in mind that the results are pretty uninspiring , low contrast & grainy. plus its more expensive than doing slide in C-41.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    anyone used this??

    prod_104922.jpg


    Its suposed to be the worlds finest grain colour film, sooo it should be good for landscapes. Or should i go with velvia 50?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,624 ✭✭✭✭Fajitas!


    Well you'll get two quite different results from a colour negative and colour positive!!

    If you're looking for the ease of negs, go for Ektar!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    landyman wrote: »
    anyone used this??

    prod_104922.jpg


    Its suposed to be the worlds finest grain colour film, sooo it should be good for landscapes. Or should i go with velvia 50?

    I've used it quite a bit. Tag search for 'ektar' on my flickr stream for some examples. I love it, and its fast replacing slide film for me. It has some of the look of slide, and I can develop it myself for about 1/5th the cost of a roll of slide.

    That said, it's hard to beat Velvia ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭thefizz


    anyone know where i can source some cheap colour slide film ... like Ektachrome in largish batches, maybe 10 rolls. out of date is grand, and anyone know where ya can get neg film xproed in e6 locally?

    Repro35 will do your negs in E6.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    I've used it quite a bit. Tag search for 'ektar' on my flickr stream for some examples. I love it, and its fast replacing slide film for me. It has some of the look of slide, and I can develop it myself for about 1/5th the cost of a roll of slide.

    That said, it's hard to beat Velvia ...

    Ta daire, i might pick up some in town next week so

    EDIT now that i think of it, where in dublin will i get it? Gunns?
    and what price am i looking at?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    i only shoot provia 100f now. bought a scanner and got my dslr back. iso200 and over will be with my digital.
    slide film is beautiful. the bokeh seems smoother somehow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Anouilh


    The thread I started about colour casts in Velvia did not do this slide film justice. In sunny conditions, it is sharp and clear. Those with more experience probably know how to get the best out of it in less than ideal conditions.

    [IMG][/img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3518/3224259515_0ea5796160.jpg3224259515_0ea5796160.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/anouilh/3224259515/

    This was desaturated a bit, as far as I can remember, to highlight the structural details.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Anouilh


    This might be of interest to anybody who is nostalgic for old (and now obsolete) film types:

    http://www.flickr.com/groups/boards_ie/discuss/72157603724489687/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,393 ✭✭✭AnCatDubh


    Update:

    Well, I shot my first roll of film on a SLR at the weekend (wooo hoooo). I had great plans of picking some of the wild and exotic film mentioned on this thread but when I got to a mini lab store the only thing they had was a 2+1 special of some fuji superia. Time didn't allow for a change of plan so that's what I shot.

    My setup was a Pentax Me Super SLR and a lovely manual 50mm f1.7 takumar prime. It was bought originally for the lens and happened to have the body attached. I've never used it as a camera body since buying it (shame on me)

    Impressions - well I loved it overall.

    It wouldn't have me jettison digital and I doubt if it ever would but is was a whole lot of fun.

    I was shooting manual-ish - obviously iso fixed which was at 400, aperture via the aperture ring, manual focus which I found much easier than the same lens on the digital body, and shutter speed determined by the in camera meter.

    So picked up developed images today -

    Firstly - I was so impressed that anything at all turned out. I had visions of being told that nothing was on the film :)

    I didn't get a wow factor off the images but that's ok - my expectations weren't that high.

    About 50-60% turned out quite ok and reasonably respectable but it has shown me some basic flaws in my photography that I can work on correcting. This is good.

    The results varied from deep and rich colour to washed out bright images.

    The rich deep colours are quite beautiful and aesthetically pleasing.

    I'm wondering about the washed out shots. Very little in terms of contrast and saturation. I'm suspecting it was bordering on overexposure but I followed the metering on the camera and at no stage did it tell me it was bordering on overexposure. Perhaps it lied or perhaps i'm stoopid :D

    I hadn't used any exposure compensation which was an option on the camera so perhaps I need to pay more attention to bright scenes and learn when to ignore the internal meter.

    At the other end of the scale, I have noticed that the images with the rich and deep colour also has some wonderful strong contrast but as a result the eyes of some of the subjects are more black than blue so it looks a little like one big pupil - not in a freakish way but if looking for it then you'd know.

    All in all, it was great fun, I enjoyed the irony of my 12 year old daughter walking around with about a grand worth of DSLR on her neck while I sported a €40 dinosaur. I need to work on my understanding of the film and the camera to reduce the instances of the washed out look and the overly saturated and contrasty images. I think overall it will improve my photography understanding, correct some flaws with the basics which i'm naturally correcting on digital pp rather than in camera, and hopefully I'll get some nice images along the way.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    CW meter on the camera I presume ? Generally you have to be more aware of what you're shooting, it's more prone to error than a fancy pants matrix meter (or multi segment or whatever canon calls them). Typically about maybe a quarter of shots I take using a CW meter I'll end up metering off something else and locking the exposure before re-composing and taking the shot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    AnCatDubh wrote: »
    Update:

    Well, I shot my first roll of film on a SLR at the weekend (wooo hoooo). I had great plans of picking some of the wild and exotic film mentioned on this thread but when I got to a mini lab store the only thing they had was a 2+1 special of some fuji superia. Time didn't allow for a change of plan so that's what I shot.

    My setup was a Pentax Me Super SLR and a lovely manual 50mm f1.7 takumar prime. It was bought originally for the lens and happened to have the body attached. I've never used it as a camera body since buying it (shame on me)

    Impressions - well I loved it overall.

    It wouldn't have me jettison digital and I doubt if it ever would but is was a whole lot of fun.

    I was shooting manual-ish - obviously iso fixed which was at 400, aperture via the aperture ring, manual focus which I found much easier than the same lens on the digital body, and shutter speed determined by the in camera meter.

    So picked up developed images today -

    Firstly - I was so impressed that anything at all turned out. I had visions of being told that nothing was on the film :)

    I didn't get a wow factor off the images but that's ok - my expectations weren't that high.

    About 50-60% turned out quite ok and reasonably respectable but it has shown me some basic flaws in my photography that I can work on correcting. This is good.

    The results varied from deep and rich colour to washed out bright images.

    The rich deep colours are quite beautiful and aesthetically pleasing.

    I'm wondering about the washed out shots. Very little in terms of contrast and saturation. I'm suspecting it was bordering on overexposure but I followed the metering on the camera and at no stage did it tell me it was bordering on overexposure. Perhaps it lied or perhaps i'm stoopid :D

    I hadn't used any exposure compensation which was an option on the camera so perhaps I need to pay more attention to bright scenes and learn when to ignore the internal meter.

    At the other end of the scale, I have noticed that the images with the rich and deep colour also has some wonderful strong contrast but as a result the eyes of some of the subjects are more black than blue so it looks a little like one big pupil - not in a freakish way but if looking for it then you'd know.

    All in all, it was great fun, I enjoyed the irony of my 12 year old daughter walking around with about a grand worth of DSLR on her neck while I sported a €40 dinosaur. I need to work on my understanding of the film and the camera to reduce the instances of the washed out look and the overly saturated and contrasty images. I think overall it will improve my photography understanding, correct some flaws with the basics which i'm naturally correcting on digital pp rather than in camera, and hopefully I'll get some nice images along the way.

    Older film slrs had a center weighted exposure which can get fooled by subjects that have a huge variation in light levels

    My minolta 7000 has a center weighted meter and in some situations, that has a strong difference in light levels you have to use the AEL lock and meter for the midtones to get a correct exposure.

    You could also test the light meter against your digital slr to determin how accurate it is.

    That said, its fairly hard to over expose colour negative film, it has a huge exposure latitude compared to digital sensors.


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