Poulter and Photographers

stockdam

Firstly let me say that I think Ian Poulter is a excellent player and he showed this over the weekend in France.

On the 16th (??) he hit a poor shot into the water - it wasn't far from being a good shot. He seemed to blame himself.

However when he was interviewed later he blamed it on a photographer and then said he wouldn't be back.

I found that strange as he didn't turn round and complain to the photographer or give him a stare.

It's not a thing that would put me off but then again I don't have the concentration and feel of a professional golfer.

Was he just making excuses? He certainly didn't need to and I believe him when he said he was put off.

conno16

a professional like him should not be distracted by such trivial and commonplace occurences on the golf course

grow up poulter

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stockdam wrote: »

Firstly let me say that I think Ian Poulter is a excellent player and he showed this over the weekend in France.

On the 16th (??) he hit a poor shot into the water - it wasn't far from being a good shot. He seemed to blame himself.

However when he was interviewed later he blamed it on a photographer and then said he wouldn't be back.

I found that strange as he didn't turn round and complain to the photographer or give him a stare.

It's not a thing that would put me off but then again I don't have the concentration and feel of a professional golfer.

Was he just making excuses? He certainly didn't need to and I believe him when he said he was put off.

Um, when he hit the shot he shouted "CAMERAMAN, CAMERAMAN, CAMERAMAN, what are you doing" and then started ranting. How did you not hear that?

BUACHAILL

He did look around, the piece you saw was edited.

When they showed it again you got to see it all.
He shouted as soon as he hit it without even looking around...camera man camera man camera man each getting progressively louder, then he turned and marched straight at him letting him have it.
I am not a huge Poulter fan although he is a great player but feel he was justifed. They even went on to say his chip shot was a simple one and one they never get wrong. Everyone agreed he has right to approach the guy but questioned his decision not to play again.

f22

Saw it myself and had a bit of a chuckle to be honest. I thought it was the 15th but I could be wrong. All I know is he had a scowl on his face for the remainder of his round and didn't even acknowledge the crowd, which is just plain rude.

Personally, I think he hit a poor shot while vying for contention. Maybe the photographer did snap on his downswing, but he was 25 yards away for starters (by Poulters admission).

Reminded me of Monty on many an occasion where any living thing would be blamed for a poor shot.

Get over yourself poulter, I doubt the French will miss you much anyway!

BUACHAILL

conno16 wrote: »

a professional like him should not be distracted by such trivial and commonplace occurences on the golf course

grow up poulter

Camera men are common place yes but camera men clicking as your trying to take your shot is certainly not common place nor should he have to accept it.

Glad to see our esteemed golf analyst is back...

f22

BUACHAILL wrote: »

Glad to see our esteemed golf analyst is back...

Probably after another forced "holiday" from boards!

BUACHAILL

f22 wrote: »

Probably after another forced "holiday" from boards!

it was probably badly needed, I mean it cant be easy to work your brain so hard all the time..that wealth of knowledge must take its toll:rolleyes:

PhilipMarlowe

From what I heard, the cameraman was from a local newspaper or something so not one of the usual tour guys... Also, he took 3 clicks in the swing so plenty there to put anyone off. Wasn't he just a shot off the lead at the time and about to set up a birdie chance (took bogey instead). Important stuff and every right to be angry over it... would mister Tiger be cross too? You bet he would.

conno16

BUACHAILL wrote: »

Camera men are common place yes but camera men clicking as your trying to take your shot is certainly not common place nor should he have to accept it.

hey buachaill are you suggesting that those photos included within daily papers, websites, magazines etc are all photo-shopped or perhaps, worse still, staged in back gardens etc??

i'm shocked

BUACHAILL

conno16 wrote: »

hey buachaill are you suggesting that those photos included within daily papers, websites, magazines etc are all photo-shopped or perhaps, worse still, staged in back gardens etc??

i'm shocked

Conno you never fail to amaze me with such logical thinking, your a rock

Mister Sifter

Wouldn't have happened if he'd had his sweat bands on.

stockdam

Ok I've just watched the replay and yes he did shout camerman etc. I don't know how I missed it but I thought he was shouting at himself. I think I thought he was shouting "Come on Ian" but hearing it again it is clear he said cameraman.

I guess a small distraction turns a great shot into one like mine.

I think he was right to get annoyed and looking at it again I think the camera did put him off on a shot where there was no margin for error.

He didn't need to say that he wouldn't be back though as it could have happened anywhere if it was a one-off.

It was unfortunate.

And yes it was the 15th.

f22

I had a plane blast it's engine on my backswing last Saturday, I didn't roar PILOT PILOT PILOT.:p

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f22 wrote: »

I had a plane blast it's engine on my backswing last Saturday, I didn't roar PILOT PILOT PILOT.:p

He wouldn't have heard you anyway IMO

Jasonw

I didn't see the final round so I'm not aware of the incident you are discussing.

I was watching Friday's play though and a very similar incident occured. He also said something similar. Again Cameras, cameras, cameras. No matter how many times you're told. Cameras, cameras, cameras. Or something very similar. The commentary team seemed to imply it was one of the crowd.

Never liked the guy and even less when he was interviewed about his failure to play in wentworth. Going on about he was a business and if he didn't think he could make money playing there he "wouldn't waste his time"

He dosen't realise he's in the entertainment business. Unfortunately brightly coloured clothes and highlighted hair dosen't do it for me.

conno16

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He wouldn't have heard you anyway IMO

he might if he had the windows of the cockpit open..

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conno16 wrote: »

he might if he had the windows of the cockpit open..

No I think the sound of the engines would be quite loud conno. Therefore he wouldn't have heard the shout.

maynooth_rules

Says a hell of a lot about the guys personality that he will not play again in a tournament that badly needs promotion and a good field because of one idiot with a camera. His issue should be with the photographer, not the tournament organisers

copacetic

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Says a hell of a lot about the guys personality that he will not play again in a tournament that badly needs promotion and a good field because of one idiot with a camera. His issue should be with the photographer, not the tournament organisers

I saw the interview with him afterward. He had an issue on a tee earlier in the week with cameramen and then this one happened. He said the guy took three pictures during his downswing.

Apparently he went over only to find that the guy was at his first golf tourney and didn't even know he wasn't supposed to do it. So his issue appears to be with the organisers for accrediting someone who has no idea what they are doing.

Either way he was interviewed and said he wouldn't be back straight afterward when he was clearly still pretty pissed off. Would say it was a heat of the moment thing. I've no time for him either way, everyone has to deal with the same crap from photographers.

Dublin Spur

Seems to be very cockey and arrogant, he's very unlikable, then again what do you expect from a self confessed Arsenal fanatic ??

I still gotta say, I reckon he's got a major in him, still young, he's an excellent palyer and I expect him to get better.

I've no time for him at all.

jampotjim

He was complaining about camera men in France all week on Twitter as they allow in a lot of amatures compared to how strict they are in other countries and they where snapping mid swing etc which would be very annoying...

I like Poulter and like the slightly arrogant side to him as he stands out... And as a person who follows his Twitter feeds think he was well justified as he had mentioned it a few times prior on it..

shamco

Poulter is turning into another Monty. He was interviewed before the tournament and he was moaning about the greens in Wentworth and now he's moaning about a cameraman. How come people in other sports dont moan when 50000 people are jeering at them when they are about to take a penalty or a free kick. Golfers need to stop being so precious and get on with it.They should realise that it's the spectators ,sponsors and media that pay for the large amount of prize money on offer.

Hobart

I agree, he should STFU tbh. Look at the crowds in the US Open and the (stupid) comments they made every time a shot was played, is he refusing to play in that? What about the Ryder Cup, and the sledging that goes on both from the crowds and the opposition, and did'nt Kim body-check him at one stage, is he refusing to play for Europe now?

randomer

jampotjim wrote: »

He was complaining about camera men in France all week on Twitter as they allow in a lot of amatures compared to how strict they are in other countries and they where snapping mid swing etc which would be very annoying...

I like Poulter and like the slightly arrogant side to him as he stands out... And as a person who follows his Twitter feeds think he was well justified as he had mentioned it a few times prior on it..

I agree with this. John Daly was on Sky Sports News today supporting him. He was a little over the top, but there are rules in place and the photographer broke them.

The photographer should not be taking photos beside the players when the player is in his down swing. Surely the photographers have lens that allow them to get their photos from a safe distance.

Also a fan of Poulters twitter.

PhilipMarlowe

I love it.
1. Some incompetent photographer who in truth shouldn't be allowed to be there in the first place (if he doesn't understand the done thing) puts him off.
2. Had he set up a birdie on the hole he could have seriously challenged for the title.
3. The difference in prize money alone is huge, let alone how driven these guys are to get a win.

and you think he should just "get on with it"?

Hobart

Licksy wrote: »

I love it.
1. Some incompetent photographer who in truth shouldn't be allowed to be there in the first place (if he doesn't understand the done thing) puts him off.
2. Had he set up a birdie on the hole he could have seriously challenged for the title.
3. The difference in prize money alone is huge, let alone how driven these guys are to get a win.

and you think he should just "get on with it"?

I don't think anybody disagrees with the points you have made, nor do they disagree that he has a right to be annoyed (given the situation) but his comments afterwards were childish in the extreme, and when most of the golf fans in the world are worried about whether their job will be safe in 12 months time, to here this spoilt brat say that he is not playing anymore, is a bit hard to take to be honest.

Then again, I suppose himself and Tiger are the only two players in the world worth seeing at the moment, that is, if you live in cloud Poulter land.

soundsham

jampotjim wrote: »

He was complaining about camera men in France all week on Twitter as they allow in a lot of amatures compared to how strict they are in other countries and they where snapping mid swing etc which would be very annoying...

I like Poulter and like the slightly arrogant side to him as he stands out... And as a person who follows his Twitter feeds think he was well justified as he had mentioned it a few times prior on it..

spot on follow him on twitter too and he was on about it quite a few times,shoddy cameramen all week

surely professional golfers playing for one of the biggest purses in europe should at least expect professional cameramen at the event.....

cant blaim him for not coming back either,might put some pressure on the organisers to get their house in order........

imagine if it was tiger it happened to on 16 sunday night i'd say stevie williams would be still pucking his skull in,or j.d. would be smashing his camera to bits

foxyboxer

I think he hit a poor shot and had a ready made excuse.

Remember a while back at the Arnold Palmer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9fnNmeT43A

Vijay didn't act like a petulant child did he? And this wasn't a few camera clicks but a full on taunt during his downswing.

Mister Sifter

foxyboxer wrote: »

I think he hit a poor shot and had a ready made excuse.

Remember a while back at the Arnold Palmer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9fnNmeT43A

Vijay didn't act like a petulant child did he? And this wasn't a few camera clicks but a full on taunt during his downswing.

Hardly comparable... Vijay hit the green and still had a shot at birdie. Poulter's chances were of winning were gone.

copacetic

It's also very different in that the organisers can't do much about fans until they do something wrong but can do something about who they allow in with cameras as professional photographers.

My main issue in this case with Poulter is that is must have been the same for everyone all week.

Hobart

Graeme1982 wrote: »

Hardly comparable... Vijay hit the green and still had a shot at birdie. Poulter's chances were of winning were gone.

I disagree Graeme, as the sledging from the crowd clearly started on Vijays downswing. Yes, I know where you are coming from in that "If he had missed the green, would it have been different", but I think the point is that Pro golfers have to deal with this type of distraction every single day of their working lives. It seems to me, that we only hear when the "prima donnas" have an issue with it, and not the other 150+ competitors on the course, who have to deal with the same thing.

Poulter, like Monty, is in a privileged position, in that he can pick and choose what events he wishes to go to. If a camera man can upset him to the point whereby he decides to throw the toys out of the pram, well then, good riddance to him, there are plenty more who will take his place.

soundsham

no chance its the same,surely the top ranked players attract the camera men hardly be the same for lowery and poulter in his fancy pants etc

very harsh there hobart,have to say he's one of the few players on european tour i'd pay money to see, top ryder cup player too, far superior than the kaymer like drones yawn imo

BUACHAILL

Hobart wrote: »

I disagree Graeme, as the sledging from the crowd clearly started on Vijays downswing. Yes, I know where you are coming from in that "If he had missed the green, would it have been different", but I think the point is that Pro golfers have to deal with this type of distraction every single day of their working lives. It seems to me, that we only hear when the "prima donnas" have an issue with it, and not the other 150+ competitors on the course, who have to deal with the same thing.

Poulter, like Monty, is in a privileged position, in that he can pick and choose what events he wishes to go to. If a camera man can upset him to the point whereby he decides to throw the toys out of the pram, well then, good riddance to him, there are plenty more who will take his place.

The "lesser" golfers so to speak dont get the air time so even if they did react in this way there is slim chance you would see it.

Poulter is in a privileged position because he played himself there it doesnt get handed to you. I am not a fan of his but why should we excuse the cameramans bad manners because its Poulter?? I think people want to check themselves and put yourself in his position...one shot off the lead of a huge european event with a lot of money at steak

See who is the Prima Donna then

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soundsham wrote: »

no chance its the same,surely the top ranked players attract the camera men hardly be the same for lowery and poulter in his fancy pants etc

very harsh there hobart,have to say he's one of the few players on european tour i'd pay money to see, top ryder cup player too, far superior than the kaymer like drones yawn imo

Who is Lowery?

soundsham

lowry ........;)

well spotted your truly a star

BUACHAILL

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Who is Lowery?

always one smart ass
nice input

foxyboxer

the point i was making with vijay was the difference in the reaction.
vijay took it in his stride, i can imagine how poulter would have reacted if someone shouted "GET WET!" en francais during his downswing, I'm fairly certain violence may have ensued :rolleyes:

BUACHAILL

foxyboxer wrote: »

the point i was making with vijay was the difference in the reaction.
vijay took it in his stride, i can imagine how poulter would have reacted if someone shouted "GET WET!" en francais during his downswing, I'm fairly certain violence may have ensued :rolleyes:

but the point your missing is just because Vijay didnt react it doesnt make Poulter wrong because he did. Most people would have done the same thing if not worse

Mister Sifter

foxyboxer wrote: »

the point i was making with vijay was the difference in the reaction.
vijay took it in his stride, i can imagine how poulter would have reacted if someone shouted "GET WET!" en francais during his downswing, I'm fairly certain violence may have ensued :rolleyes:

Depends, if it was a female that shouted it Vijay the sexist would probably have gave her a knuckle sandwich and told her she didn't belong on a golf course.

Hobart

BUACHAILL wrote: »

The "lesser" golfers so to speak dont get the air time so even if they did react in this way there is slim chance you would see it.

I'm young/old enough to remember Bjorn loosing it when he wasn't picked for a Ryder Cup place. It's not like the so called "lesser" golfer does not get airtime, they do, we just don't notice it as much.

Poulter is in a privileged position because he played himself there it doesnt get handed to you. I am not a fan of his but why should we excuse the cameramans bad manners because its Poulter??

I don't think anybody is excusing the camera mans behavior, I certainly did not. What I did criticise is Poulters childish reaction to it. My message would be, "Ian **** Happens, get the fook over it!!"

I think people want to check themselves and put yourself in his position...one shot off the lead of a huge european event with a lot of money at steak

I totally agree with you in terms of his position at the time, but I disagree that it's a huge European event, it's not really. It's big in terms on prize money, but only that.

Look, my bottom line is this, if these guys want to compete for mega mega bucks, and yet want to have the perfect situation whereby a bird won't tweet in their back swing, or a piece of muck won't cling to their ball on soft occasions, well then let them compete indoors. The reality is that the world is full of "get in the whooole" type fans, I don't like it, they don't but they should just get on with it and play golf in the public sphere with all it's terrible foibles.

BUACHAILL

HOBART:
I don't think anybody is excusing the camera mans behavior, I certainly did not. What I did criticise is Poulters childish reaction to it. My message would be, "Ian **** Happens, get the fook over it!!" I totally agree with you in terms of his position at the time, but I disagree that it's a huge European event, it's not really. It's big in terms on prize money, but only that.




Birds tweeting etc is part of the environment and cannot be helped, people shouting, cameraman clicking and unwanted added noise while someone is trying to concentrate fully on a shot is just bad manners and unnacceptable and is not part of the game. its bad etiquette and people need to realise that. Poulter said some silly things in the heat of the moment but he was right to have a go.

Hobart if you were playing this event you would look at it as huge given the pay day you could make, so just as its not your profession your being flippant about it IMO.

Hobart

BUACHAILL wrote: »

HOBART:
I don't think anybody is excusing the camera mans behavior, I certainly did not. What I did criticise is Poulters childish reaction to it. My message would be, "Ian **** Happens, get the fook over it!!" I totally agree with you in terms of his position at the time, but I disagree that it's a huge European event, it's not really. It's big in terms on prize money, but only that.

BUACHAILL, where did you criticise his behavior? All I've seen you criticise, in regards of Poulter, is in the post I have quoted above. In fact you have said :
I am not a huge Poulter fan although he is a great player but feel he was justifed
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Camera men are common place yes but camera men clicking as your trying to take your shot is certainly not common place nor should he have to accept it (rubbish imo)
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I am not a fan of his but why should we excuse the cameramans bad manners because its Poulter?
Where did you criticise his reaction to it? Where did you say he was out of order, 'cause I can't see it and I reckon he was justified in being annoyed (who would'nt) but wrong in saying that he was 'never playing again' (ala Sergio after the Masters).

Birds tweeting etc is part of the environment and cannot be helped, people shouting, cameraman clicking and unwanted added noise while someone is trying to concentrate fully on a shot is just bad manners and unnacceptable and is not part of the game. its bad etiquette and people need to realise that. Poulter said some silly things in the heat of the moment but he was right to have a go.

I was being glib tbh. I know that the environment has a certain noise level, and I also appreciate that professional golfers need to appreciate that there is a risk that their backswing will be interrupted by a camera clicking, a child crying or a fan shouting, but guess what, that's just one of the burdens that golfers have to carry, irrespective of their position at the time of the 'crime'.

Hobart if you were playing this event you would look at it as huge given the pay day you could make, so just as its not your profession your being flippant about it IMO.

I'm not, in fact I'm far from it, I'm being realistic about it, which is something IP was not imo.

randomer

Picture this scenario:

You are on the 18th green. You have a a four foot putt for birdie, and to win the captains prize. Just as you are middway through the putting stroke a phone rights just off the edge of the green (trigger happy tv style). Being distracted you push the putt three feet wide of the hole.

How would you react?

BUACHAILL

Hobart wrote: »

BUACHAILL, where did you criticise his behavior? All I've seen you criticise, in regards of Poulter, is in the post I have quoted above. In fact you have said :
I am not a huge Poulter fan although he is a great player but feel he was justifed
and
Camera men are common place yes but camera men clicking as your trying to take your shot is certainly not common place nor should he have to accept it (rubbish imo)
plus
I am not a fan of his but why should we excuse the cameramans bad manners because its Poulter?
Where did you criticise his reaction to it? Where did you say he was out of order, 'cause I can't see it and I reckon he was justified in being annoyed (who would'nt) but wrong in saying that he was 'never playing again' (ala Sergio after the Masters).

I was being glib tbh. I know that the environment has a certain noise level, and I also appreciate that professional golfers need to appreciate that there is a risk that their backswing will be interrupted by a camera clicking, a child crying or a fan shouting, but guess what, that's just one of the burdens that golfers have to carry, irrespective of their position at the time of the 'crime'.

I'm not, in fact I'm far from it, I'm being realistic about it, which is something IP was not imo.

can you please show me where I stated that I criticised him ?? I said in my very first post that everyone agreed he was right to have a go but he said some silly things in the heat of the moment like not playing again next year and I agree with this !!

Hobart

BUACHAILL wrote: »

can you please show me where I stated that I criticised him ?? I said in my very first post that everyone agreed he was right to have a go but he said some silly things in the heat of the moment like not playing again next year and I agree with this !!

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BUACHAILL wrote: »

HOBART:
I don't think anybody is excusing the camera mans behavior, I certainly did not. What I did criticise is Poulters childish reaction to it.

BUACHAILL

Hobart wrote: »

I agree, he should STFU tbh. Look at the crowds in the US Open and the (stupid) comments they made every time a shot was played, is he refusing to play in that? What about the Ryder Cup, and the sledging that goes on both from the crowds and the opposition, and did'nt Kim body-check him at one stage, is he refusing to play for Europe now?

This is what I am arguing with you not his over heated reaction against the competition. So dont change the subject.

He shouldnt STFU. He shouldnt have to put up with it.

Hobart

BUACHAILL wrote: »

This is what I am arguing with you not his over heated reaction against the competition. So dont change the subject.

He shouldnt STFU. He shouldnt have to put up with it.

I'm not changing any subject, you asked me a question, and I answered it.

BUACHAILL

if you look at that quote closer Hobart its what you wrote not me
My answer is under it !!

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randomer wrote: »

Picture this scenario:

You are on the 18th green. You have a a four foot putt for birdie, and to win the captains prize. Just as you are middway through the putting stroke a phone rights just off the edge of the green (trigger happy tv style). Being distracted you push the putt three feet wide of the hole.

How would you react?

I'd question why my technique was so bad that I could possibly miss a 4-foot putt 3 feet wide of the hole no matter what the circumstances. That's one hell of a push

soundsham

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