A hairy little matter!!

LegacyUser

Need some male opinions here.

On saturday night I stayed over with a guy I've recently started seeing for the first time. It was unplanned...so I didn't have myself groomed! Without going into too much detail...it has been a few months since i got waxed so I have a forrest situation going on (which will be sorted out this week)!!! He didn't seem to mind but I'm embarrassed about it!

In a world of making good first impressions, is it something that could really turn you off someone?

tbh

no.

StopNotWorking

God no.

Gone Drinking

I'm not going to lie to you, while it mightened put me off the person, its certainly something i'd notice and think about after.

Thats just my feeling on it, sorry!

davmol

Unless it looks like you have chewbakka from star wars in a leg lock it wouldnt bother me.just get a good wax job done for your next encounter and show him that was a once off

LegacyUser

God yes it would. Bad grooming (for either sex) is not acceptable in this day and age. Massive turn off

aoibhebree

It's a simple matter of individual taste! Some guys would be absolutely turned off by it. Others mightn't even notice, and may even prefer it that way. Your guy seems to be one of the latter. It doesn't seem to have put him off at all, so I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

John Mason

LOL - hair is completely natural and anyone who is turn off by it isnt worth your time getting to know IMHO

LegacyUser

No dont be silly no guy would prefer it. They might turn a blind eye to it though. And if your groomed next time he probably won't be bothered over it

Rabies

pink fluffy bunny wrote: »

LOL - hair is completely natural and anyone who is turn off by it isnt worth your time getting to know IMHO

but its not the 70s anymore.
A couple of months of growth is a lot.

Most people prefer at least trimmed.

Wouldn't be bothered if it was a one nighter, but if I was going back again then I'd be having second thoughts.

aoibhebree

Unregistered wrote: »

No dont be silly no guy would prefer it.

Really? :rolleyes:

Have a read of this and you might realise that there are a lot stranger things out there than men who prefer their women with the natural (as opposed to prepubescent) look!

LegacyUser

aoibhebree wrote: »

Really? :rolleyes:

Have a read of this and you might realise that there are a lot stranger things out there than men who prefer their women with the natural (as opposed to prepubescent) look!

OP here again. Still blushing but that certainly puts my starwars creature and big knickers into perspective. But I'm soooooooooo embarrassed!

LegacyUser

aoibhebree wrote: »

Really? :rolleyes:

Have a read of this and you might realise that there are a lot stranger things out there than men who prefer their women with the natural (as opposed to prepubescent) look!

Yeah there's also people in the world who like to have sex with goats but we're talking in general terms here and generally speaking men prefer well groomed women, end of

Terodil

Contact him, see if you two can get back together, and then groom yourself well before you do, case closed.

We can all speculate here what 'he' prefers but nobody will be able to tell you except him. Our preferences have absolutely no bearing on the situation.

banquo

I'd think that it was an unexpected thing and that you hadn't expected to need to 'groom'. But, since it wasn't 6 months growth I'd have known that you did shave there with at least some regularity and thus I'd put it down to a once-off. If you stay over again and you're smooth as silk down there then not only will he understand but he'll also be counting the hours until he sees you again

Floppybits

To the OP, it wouldnt put me off but let me ask you this was he groomed below?

There are a lot of double standards and guys that like the women groomed should also do the same but is this the case?

LegacyUser

Floppybits wrote: »

To the OP, it wouldnt put me off but let me ask you this was he groomed below?

There are a lot of double standards and guys that like the women groomed should also do the same but is this the case?

He didn't appear to be. I would have known if he was shaven or that. he was just natural.

Floppybits

Unregistered wrote: »

He didn't appear to be. I would have known if he was shaven or that. he was just natural.

So OP, if he isnt grooming below why should you be worried about it? From what you said in your original post he isnt worried about so I dont you should.

HPT

Unregistered wrote: »

OP here again. Still blushing but that certainly puts my starwars creature and big knickers into perspective. But I'm soooooooooo embarrassed!

OP, tbh I'd be kinda surprised but it wouldn't bother me at all.

I can't help wondering though, how if you're THAT embarrassed by it you didn't just wait until the timing was better.

I've heard women tell me that on any given night out that they know in advance how far things will go. They're usually referring to unshaven legs though. :rolleyes:

LegacyUser

As long as your clean i don't see what the issue is. I'm a guy and when i hear other guys saying "i couldn't be with a girl who doesn't trim down there", i have to wonder whats going on in their head. Its perfectly natural and normal to have pubic hair. Drop the guy like a hot potato if he brings it up. Hes not worth your attention if he makes an issue of it. You've nothing to be embarrassed about.

BKtje

The first time my girlfriend stayed over it was unplanned as well (bad weather and no taxi's) and she was ina similar situation to you. Didn't bother me in the slightest though i could tell she was embaressed about it and kind of nervous.

We are still together 8 months later and i'm leaving the country with her. To answer your question, it depends on the guy but if he really didn't seem to care about it then i really wouldn't worry. Hope it all works out for you

LegacyUser

davmol wrote: »

Unless it looks like you have chewbakka from star wars in a leg lock it wouldnt bother me.just get a good wax job done for your next encounter and show him that was a once off

OMFG!!

Same thing happened to me after having been single for over a year, I didn't bother with it, didn't put him off as such as we are together 2 years on but it did give him a bit of a fright and often sings welcome to the jungle to take the pee out of me. It has been sorted now!

partyguinness

No...he might not even have noticed.

You can always make a joke about it later when the relationship develops....although he may bring a strimmer with him next time.

But as Roy Keane said "Fail to prepare prepare to failure"...dont let it happen again...:)

Porkpie

Would it turn me off someone? Yes, it would, tbh. On the up side, no deforestation would indicate to me that your sex life hasn't been very active, thus less chance of contracting std's . Seriously though, I really don't see what the big deal is as long as you get it trimmed for the next time. When you're with him next make sure to give him a good 'ta-da!'

the_syco

If it were a date, it may look bad, but an unexpected rumble in the jungle, meh, once the forest doesn't block access to the cave, all is good.

topper75

aoibhebree wrote: »

Really? :rolleyes:

Have a read of this and you might realise that there are a lot stranger things out there than men who prefer their women with the natural (as opposed to prepubescent) look!

A certain influential industry (how's it going Hugh!) seems to be pushing that prepubescent look. I'm into women, and am happy to leave teenage girls to teenage boys .

What have you to be embarrassed about? Some deluded posters are virtually equating it with body odour. It's not bad grooming. There is no obligation for girls to shave there.

Karen_*

Don't let it happen again OP, the sky might fall in. Is it really such a big deal that you offend someones preferences? He's dating you the person and not your talent with a razor blade or waxing strip.

Eve_Dublin

banquo wrote: »

I'd think that it was an unexpected thing and that you hadn't expected to need to 'groom'. But, since it wasn't 6 months growth I'd have known that you did shave there with at least some regularity and thus I'd put it down to a once-off. If you stay over again and you're smooth as silk down there then not only will he understand but he'll also be counting the hours until he sees you again

Shaven?? Really? Last time I'd absolutely no hair down there was when I was 12. If I came across a guy with a preference for hairless women, I'd find THAT a major turn off personally. Call me crazy but I definitely wouldn't SHAVE that area with any regularity. Jaysus...could you imagine shaving your own public hair, banquo? Not pleasant...itchy, stubbly...ugh.

The demand for hairless women is going a bit mad now...I know a girl who has very fair light hairs on her arms and she gets them waxed!! I've met a few girls doing the same! When will it end?? We'll be shaving our eyebrows off next and resemble hairless moon-monkeys.

As someone else said, men don't realise they need tame themselves down there as well, particularly if they're expecting oral sex...sorry to be graphic here but it's as unpleasant for us to get a mouth full of hair as it is for you.

We've all been caught out though, OP. Nothing to feel embarassed about, it's just a bit of hair and not some contagious STD. I'd say cleanliness matters to more men than a bit of hair. If he avoid you for this reason, then feck him.

partyguinness

I cant wait for the day that Irish women embrace the concept of professional waxing as opposed to shaving.

Stubbly pubes is worse than a hairy one IMO.

shellyboo

partyguinness wrote: »

I cant wait for the day that Irish women embrace the concept of professional waxing as opposed to shaving.

That day's just one lottery win away for me. Any idea how much it costs?


OP, seriously, it's not a big deal. If he's that immature that he can't cope with a bit of entirely natural hair, then he's not worth bothering about, really. It's one thing to express a preference for hairless once he's in a relationship with you, but aside from serous bfs, nobody gets to have any input on how you keep your pubic hair except for you.

So chill

Eve_Dublin

partyguinness wrote: »

I cant wait for the day that Irish women embrace the concept of professional waxing as opposed to shaving.

Stubbly pubes is worse than a hairy one IMO.

I think a lot of Irish women have already partyguinness but are you talking thw whole lot off or just a tidy up?

I would love to see any man handle the pain of a wax on one of the most sensitive parts of their bodies. As a woman, I'm not diggin' this concept of "beauty is pain". NO man is worth pain to fit their idea of beauty. Feck that!

Yep and as shellyboo said above, waxing is expensive. I can think of a lot more exciting things to spend my hard-earned cash on.

LegacyUser

Hey, thank you all for your replies! I feel much better about it all now! Waxing is very expensive but the results are great - no spots or itchiness. And it lasts almost a month for me. Brazillians don't always mean you remove everything - you can keep them very womanly but at the same time you feel free and tidy and can wear any type of underwear :-) I personally would not like hollywoods where everything is removed.

Any man who expects me to be shaven/waxed all the time can feck right off. I already spend ages every week shaving my legs, underarms, plucking my eyebrows and now I have to shave down there all the time as well? It takes ages because you have to be so careful and it's very awkward to do. Waxing costs upwards of 50 euro a time - I certainly don't have that kind of money to be throwing away on beauty treatments. Since when do Irish women seem to think this is the OC? I like to be groomed down there but will never accept being made to feel like it HAS to be perfect or that there's something wrong with being natural. I don't see many men getting waxed.

partyguinness

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

I think a lot of Irish women have already partyguinness but are you talking thw whole lot off or just a tidy up?

I would love to see any man handle the pain of a wax on one of the most sensitive parts of their bodies. As a woman, I'm not diggin' this concept of "beauty is pain". NO man is worth pain to fit their idea of beauty. Feck that!

Yep and as shellyboo said above, waxing is expensive. I can think of a lot more exciting things to spend my hard-earned cash on.

You should only get a treatment (waxing etec whatever) for you and not for a man...

I would prefer a women au natural rather than stubbly which can cut (blood) the sensitive ends of the penis if too much friction...believe me it has happened...:o..stubbly pubes is just nasty..IMO

Waxing every 6 weeks or so...is it any more expensive than a ladies haircut?

By the way, I do get some waxing in that special region..not pleasant...my OH is a beautican..;)

LegacyUser

My first proper BF loved the natural look. I was just 18 when we met and never groomed at all so it was nice and neat (not some crazy chewbakka!) Anyway he was the first guy I slept with and I remember being worried about the grooming thing and when I suggested waxing he was totally against it. He said that he thought there was something perverse about it like looking at pre pubescent kids.

Anyway we broke up after a few years (due to life getting in the way) and one of the guys I was with after my ex insisted I shave… worst thing I ever did! It’s was so uncomfortable most of the time, and no amount of exfoliating made it smooth. I wax now which isn’t so bad but I hate the waiting time between waxing… course that was the last time I ever hooked up with that guy. Wasn’t worth it in my opinion.

Op, as other’s have said don’t worry about it. If it was an issue/ deal breaker for him then he isn’t worth it.

And you men out there can be so shallow, I’m surprised that no girl here has mentioned yet how they over look things like carpet chest hair and back hair in their men!

Eve_Dublin

partyguinness wrote: »

You should only get a treatment (waxing etec whatever) for you and not for a man...

I would prefer a women au natural rather than stubbly which can cut (blood) the sensitive ends of the penis if too much friction...believe me it has happened...:o..stubbly pubes is just nasty..IMO

Waxing every 6 weeks or so...is it any more expensive than a ladies haircut?

By the way, I do get some waxing in that special region..not pleasant...my OH is a beautican..;)

It's as expensive as a ladies haircut but we also have to get that ladies haircut (you're talking 80 Euro for a hairstyle here) plus we're expected to buy expensive makeup, perfume, clothes, nails done, toe nails done blah blah blah zzzzzz!! I like to look well, don't get me wrong but my idea of looking well is not taken out of a Playboy/Vogue magazine and really, the amount of time women are expected to spend on themselves is just plain ridiculous. I've got a full-time job, bills to pay and I'd prefer to save my money for travelling or hobbies.

I'd prefer to have other hobbies than just grooming myself, which seems to be a hobby to some women nowadays. I like to think I'm a bit less vacuous than that. Shopping is NOT a hobby...putting your makeup on is NOT a hobby....having your hair done is not a hobby. If some men could understand that women want to "let things go" now and then for financial reasons or because they might want to go and see a gig or just because we're human and not robots, for example, then that would a big help.

This

think about it if he really cared and was that turned off he would have made his excuses and left.

just keep your slef well groomed incase there is any more surprises

partyguinness

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

It's as expensive as a ladies haircut but we also have to get that ladies haircut (you're talking 80 Euro for a hairstyle here) plus we're expected to buy expensive makeup, perfume, clothes, nails done, toe nails done blah blah blah zzzzzz!! I like to look well, don't get me wrong but my idea of looking well is not taken out of a Playboy/Vogue magazine and really, the amount of time women are expected to spend on themselves is just plain ridiculous. I've got a full-time job, bills to pay and I'd prefer to save my money for travelling or hobbies.

I'd prefer to have other hobbies than just grooming myself, which seems to be a hobby to some women nowadays. I like to think I'm a bit less vacuous than that. Shopping is NOT a hobby...putting your makeup on is NOT a hobby....having your hair done is not a hobby. If men could understand that women want to "let things go" now and then for financial reasons or because they might want to go and see a gig or just because we're human and not robots, for example, then that would a big help.

I think you are generalising and being unfair to women who like shopping, like going for treatments, like to get a waxing (for themselves even when single), like going for a haircut etc.

Women should not feel expected to have any of the above carried out. They should do it for themselves and 99.9% of women I have talked to about this do it because they like to look well and feel good about themselves. And who expects women to look like this?

Magazines which are written by women and bought by....women...:eek: Newsagents are covered from wall to wall with 'girly' magazines..and at the back they usually have 20 pages advertising cosmetic surgery...go figure.

Dont blame men for this. Thats a cop out.

Wanting to look good and feel good is hardly vacuous. It's normal. Yes there may be too much pressure and conditioning on women but there is clearly a market for it.

Sure you see it is as more of a chore but each to their own...:)

shellyboo

partyguinness wrote: »

And who expects women to look like this?

Dont blame men for this. Thats a cop out.

Sorry, what?

Gone Drinking wrote: »

I'm not going to lie to you, while it mightened put me off the person, its certainly something i'd notice and think about after.

davmol wrote: »

Unless it looks like you have chewbakka from star wars in a leg lock it wouldnt bother me.just get a good wax job done for your next encounter and show him that was a once off

Unregistered wrote: »

God yes it would. Bad grooming (for either sex) is not acceptable in this day and age. Massive turn off

Unregistered wrote: »

No dont be silly no guy would prefer it. They might turn a blind eye to it though. And if your groomed next time he probably won't be bothered over it

Rabies wrote: »

Wouldn't be bothered if it was a one nighter, but if I was going back again then I'd be having second thoughts.

Unregistered wrote: »

Yeah there's also people in the world who like to have sex with goats but we're talking in general terms here and generally speaking men prefer well groomed women, end of

banquo wrote: »

I'd think that it was an unexpected thing and that you hadn't expected to need to 'groom'. But, since it wasn't 6 months growth I'd have known that you did shave there with at least some regularity and thus I'd put it down to a once-off. If you stay over again and you're smooth as silk down there then not only will he understand but he'll also be counting the hours until he sees you again

partyguinness wrote: »

You can always make a joke about it later when the relationship develops....although he may bring a strimmer with him next time.

But as Roy Keane said "Fail to prepare prepare to failure"...dont let it happen again...

Porkpie wrote: »

Would it turn me off someone? Yes, it would, tbh. On the up side, no deforestation would indicate to me that your sex life hasn't been very active, thus less chance of contracting std's . Seriously though, I really don't see what the big deal is as long as you get it trimmed for the next time. When you're with him next make sure to give him a good 'ta-da!'

partyguinness wrote: »

I cant wait for the day that Irish women embrace the concept of professional waxing as opposed to shaving.

Yeah, definitely nothing to do with male expectations at all.

Eve_Dublin

partyguinness wrote: »

I think you are generalising and being unfair to women who like shopping, like going for treatments, like to get a waxing (for themselves even when single), like going for a haircut etc.

Women should not feel expected to have any of the above carried out. They should do it for themselves and 99.9% of women I have talked to about this do it because they like to look well and feel good about themselves. And who expects women to look like this?

Magazines which are written by women and bought by....women...:eek: Newsagents are covered from wall to wall with 'girly' magazines..and at the back they usually have 20 pages advertising cosmetic surgery...go figure.

Dont blame men for this. Thats a cop out.

Wanting to look good and feel good is hardly vacuous. It's normal. Yes there may be too much pressure and conditioning on women but there is clearly a market for it.

Sure you see it is as more of a chore but each to their own...:)

I don't buy any of those magazines...a magazine with nothing but beauty and fashion advice with the ocassional token article on female circumcision in Nigeria does nothing for me and I think they do more damage than good to a woman's self-esteem. Anyway, doesn't matter who writes them or reads them (Playboy, Nuts etc are edited by men and bought by men), a lot woman see this as the ideal..... This is another ideal pushed at women so women have a warped version of beauty...a pornstar in Prada...or something. Sad but true.

And anyway, the media is controlled by only a hand full of people but is sold to millions worldwide...there's a market for it because the marketing for the fashion industry is aggressive and they sell this as the ideal to women, it's EVERYWHERE and it's getting worse. Women are being told this is what men want (doesn't matter if it's by other women) and they're believing it. How far will it all go? It's pretty hideous.

Anyway, I'm not attacking or being unfair to women who take care of themselves (I like to think I do) but I'm talking about those who do it obsessively to the point where they've no time for anything else. I don't think I'm being unfair by calling this vacuous...this is the DEFINITION of vacuous. I'm not some hideous, hairy beast from hell...I take care of myself but I can live without spending all my spare time on getting treatments and shopping...soem women can't and it's those I'm talking about. I don't see a need for it and if I'm a bit hairy down there on ocassion, then shoot me for being human. That's all I'm saying.

My point is that SOME men (see my post above) demand these standards from women at all times and it's those men that I've no time for(you need to wax more than every 6 weeks if you want to keep it maintained, by the way). I'm guessing they're the minority though but this could change with the way the world is going.

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partyguinness

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

I don't buy any of those magazines...a magazine with nothing but beauty and fashion advice with the ocassional token article on female circumcision in Nigeria does nothing for me and I think they do more damage than good to a woman's self-esteem. Anyway, doesn't matter who writes them or reads them (Playboy, Nuts etc are edited by men and bought by men), a lot woman see this as the ideal..... This is another ideal pushed at women so women have a warped version of beauty...a pornstar in Prada...or something. Sad but true.

And anyway, the media is controlled by only a hand full of people but is sold to millions worldwide...there's a market for it because the marketing for the fashion industry is aggressive and they sell this as the ideal to women, it's EVERYWHERE and it's getting worse. Women are being told this is what men want (doesn't matter if it's by other women) and they're believing it. How far will it all go? It's pretty hideous.

Anyway, I'm not attacking or being unfair to women who take care of themselves (I like to think I do) but I'm talking about those who do it obsessively to the point where they've no time for anything else. I don't think I'm being unfair by calling this vacuous...this is the DEFINITION of vacuous. I'm not some hideous, hairy beast from hell...I take care of myself but I can live without spending all my spare time on getting treatments and shopping...soem women can't and it's those I'm talking about. I don't see a need for it and if I'm a bit hairy down there on ocassion, then shoot me for being human. That's all I'm saying.

My point is that SOME men (see my post above) demand these standards from women at all times and it's those men that I've no time for(you need to wax more than every 6 weeks if you want to keep it maintained, by the way). I'm guessing they're the minority though but this could change with the way the world is going.

Yes they are a significant minority. Not sure what type of man would "demand" such standards, they should be given a hard kicking and women who give it those these demands have clearly got their own self esteem issues.

The only reason I mentioned waxing was because IMO...if you are going to do something- do it properly and waxing is much better than a stubbly pubic region. And women should have particular treatments done for themselves and not because of some belief that is what men want.

My OH (in England) has single/divorced/widowed women in their 60s and 70s..who get waxing done...not a man in sight..it for their own pleasure..they like it..god forbid.....are they vacuous in your opinion?

Not sure what type of women you hang around with but I dont know any like tthe women you describe personally and that is not my understanding of the word vacuous.


ps Sorry I dont know how to multi quote...:o

partyguinness

donegalfella wrote: »

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and by women too weak to say No?

Of course not, many women I know like to have a clean/waxed look for themsleves personally. I think that fact is being ignored. That it is all to do with male expectations.

shellyboo

partyguinness wrote: »

and by women too weak to say No?

Of course not, many women I know like to have a clean/waxed look for themsleves personally. I think that fact is being ignored. That it is all to do with male expectations.

By women who are being told BY MEN that if they are not waxed/shaved they are not attractive. See quotes above.


And as a woman who does LIKE to be waxed for herself personally, I sure as hell wouldn't be going out and spending money on it for myself personally. I'd do without it for myself personally.

However, men - the men in this thread - are saying they won't accept women who do without it.

partyguinness

shellyboo wrote: »

By women who are being told BY MEN that if they are not waxed/shaved they are not attractive. See quotes above.


And as a woman who does LIKE to be waxed for herself personally, I sure as hell wouldn't be going out and spending money on it for myself personally. I'd do without it for myself personally.

However, men - the men in this thread - are saying they won't accept women who do without it.

More power to you sister....;)

Any man who tells women that they are not attractive without waxing/shaving should be told to piss off and the women should have the will power to do whatever the hell they want for themselves and nobody else.

I personally do not care whether a women is bald/trimed/au natural (and I have seen them all). I treat all women and their bodies as individuals. I have never or never will suggest/ask a woman to have a particular treatment done because I certainly would not like anyone trying to dictate to me. But thats just me.

LegacyUser

partyguinness wrote: »

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My OH (in England) has single/divorced/widowed women in their 60s and 70s..who get waxing done...not a man in sight..it for their own pleasure..they like it..god forbid.....are they vacuous in your opinion?

No female gets waxing done "for their own pleasure" - it's never a pleasant experience!!

partyguinness

Unregistered wrote: »

partyguinness wrote: »

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My OH (in England) has single/divorced/widowed women in their 60s and 70s..who get waxing done...not a man in sight..it for their own pleasure..they like it..god forbid.....are they vacuous in your opinion?

No female gets waxing done "for their own pleasure" - it's never a pleasant experience!!

They are clearly big fat liars then...:rolleyes:

LegacyUser

I am a lad, and I shave my junk, it doesn't hurt at all. It just looks better. I also ask the ladies to do the same. It's down to personal preference, like anything else.

LegacyUser

A guy asked me to trim or wax because it chafed him and hurt him??? Is this true?

Eve_Dublin

partyguinness wrote: »

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Yes they are a significant minority. Not sure what type of man would "demand" such standards, they should be given a hard kicking and women who give it those these demands have clearly got their own self esteem issues.

The only reason I mentioned waxing was because IMO...if you are going to do something- do it properly and waxing is much better than a stubbly pubic region. And women should have particular treatments done for themselves and not because of some belief that is what men want.

My OH (in England) has single/divorced/widowed women in their 60s and 70s..who get waxing done...not a man in sight..it for their own pleasure..they like it..god forbid.....are they vacuous in your opinion?

Not sure what type of women you hang around with but I dont know any like tthe women you describe personally and that is not my understanding of the word vacuous.


ps Sorry I dont know how to multi quote...:o

No. I said women who do it obsessively (read post, I think we might be singing from the same hymn sheet partyguinness) and they're certainly not friends of mine but they do exist as are the men who demand it from them. They're in the minority but they exist alright. This kind of carry on IS superficial and vacuous. There's certainly no substance to a woman who has no interest in anything beyond grooming herself. Women who like to treat themselves now and then are within the norms though, like the women you mentioned above.

prinz

partyguinness wrote: »

I cant wait for the day that Irish women embrace the concept of professional waxing as opposed to shaving.
Stubbly pubes is worse than a hairy one IMO.

partyguinness wrote: »

I personally do not care whether a women is bald/trimed/au natural (and I have seen them all). I treat all women and their bodies as individuals. I have never or never will suggest/ask a woman to have a particular treatment done because I certainly would not like anyone trying to dictate to me. But thats just me.

Careful, with all that backtracking you might trip yourself...