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Ned O'Keefe, TD - indefensible

  • 03-07-2009 11:47AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭


    this is truly shocking

    FF arrogance in all its glory


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭turgon


    Evening Echo?

    Wouldnt be my definition of a "reputable" source.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭El Stuntman


    turgon wrote: »
    Evening Echo?

    Wouldnt be my definition of a "reputable" source.

    no sign of him denying it ;)

    it's also being discussed on politics.ie and locals are verifying it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,136 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Just one of many things thats going to happen in the coming months. priorities priorities...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 104 ✭✭sparklepants


    Ned O'Keeffe was always a bit of a maverick - so it doesn't surprise me.

    If fairness, I think that schools shouldn't have to lobby local politicians for upgrades. It seems absurd that a school would be prioritised for an upgrade just because the local TD was able to bend the minister's ear. If O'Keeffe lobbied for no schools in particular and concentrated on his job as legislator then his position might be defensible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Loveless


    He's happens to have said in public what every other politician does in private.

    A friend of mine was told by her local Labour councillor that her VEC application would be 'looked after' if her family looked after him- 'cos there were five votes in the house at recent local elections.

    Bell X1 "Reacharound"

    "Cute hoors in the corridors of power
    Throwin' shapes, atin' grapes
    The wink and elbow language of delight.."


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,125 ✭✭✭eigrod


    turgon wrote: »
    Evening Echo?

    Wouldnt be my definition of a "reputable" source.

    Why ?


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Loveless is spot on. The only real story is that a TD admitted it. The implication in the OP that this is unique to FF is laughable, and shows a lovely and almost touching naivety about Irish politics.

    Does anyone here really think this country would have paid millions for a windmill (yes, you read it right, a windmill), a steam train, an Acquadome and of course the world's most expensive famine ship in North Kerry if it wasn't for Labour leader Dick Spring? What happened in that part of his own county where he didn't get votes in that time? Did South Kerry get anything like that? Not a bean. A few years later, John O'Donoghue and Jackie Healy Rae hold more power than anyone in North Kerry, and we get all the handouts. Are people really contributing to an Irish political board and saying this is news to them? That beggers belief.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭solice


    I was contacted by a representative for the parents’ council and told her straight out my position. Des O’Malley used to do the same. All things being equal, I asked her why I should look after the people of Rathcormac if they didn’t look after me? I told her there was no funding available.

    If he did indeed say this then im sickened!

    He wont represent an area in his constituency because they didnt vote for him?

    I didnt vote for Brian Cowen but unfortunately he still represents me!!!


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    solice wrote: »
    If he did indeed say this then im sickened!

    This honesty from an Irish politician is indeed worrying. Though not sick, I am kinda anxious myself too. This could be serious...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭solice


    This honesty from an Irish politician is indeed worrying. Though not sick, I am kinda anxious myself too. This could be serious...

    LOL! Finally an Irish politician is saying what he really thinks and being honest!

    Im not so much sickened by his honesty, more his thought process and selfishness


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  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But it's realpolitik. They all do it. Only one is 'honest' (though I will concede, more probably 'stupid') enough to shout it out. But that's Ned for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭Het-Field


    Ned O'Keeffe was always a bit of a maverick - so it doesn't surprise me.

    If fairness, I think that schools shouldn't have to lobby local politicians for upgrades. It seems absurd that a school would be prioritised for an upgrade just because the local TD was able to bend the minister's ear. If O'Keeffe lobbied for no schools in particular and concentrated on his job as legislator then his position might be defensible.

    He is no maverick. He is a dye in the wool FFer, who epitomises the worst things about Irish politics. Remember that time he grandstanded over Harney ? That was nothing to do with him being a maverick, or a loose cannon. It was a chance to get back at the PDs for 1985-1987.

    A gombeen farmer, up to his neck in CAP subsidies (the largest recipient in Dail Eireann). He has never legislated for the benefit of anybody. He is a waste of space, who needs ousting from the Dail ASAP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭the_dark_side


    eigrod wrote: »
    Why ?

    why? you ask... its because Turgon is displaying the same arrogance as Ned O'Keffe, 'questioning the credability of the local press...

    Hers a good corruption watchdog website, leave the likes of Turgon to his rants

    http://www.publicinquiry.eu/2009/07/02/ned-okeeffe-let-them-eat-cake/


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Het-Field wrote: »
    up to his neck in CAP subsidies (the largest recipient in Dail Eireann).

    Having a large farm is no big crime. I bet the land wouldn't be as good as either of the two owned by Richard Bruton, nor does he rent out his farm unlike Pat Rabbitte etc. etc.

    Agree he's no maverick though. Tbh, though I am in FF, I just couldn't vote for him in the recent euro election.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,034 ✭✭✭deadhead13


    turgon wrote: »
    Evening Echo?

    Wouldnt be my definition of a "reputable" source.

    And what would you consider to be a "reputable" source?....lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭shoegirl


    Het-Field wrote: »
    A gombeen farmer, up to his neck in CAP subsidies (the largest recipient in Dail Eireann). He has never legislated for the benefit of anybody. He is a waste of space, who needs ousting from the Dail ASAP.

    Quite.

    And he conveniently "forgets" about his wealthy cronies (party members I believe) who worked out the contortions to turn this once small hamlet of 500 people into the most pathetic urban miserypit of 2500 people, minus any sort of useful infrastructure. Those people couldn't have voted for him, as they simply were not living there!

    I hope they will remember what he said if he indeed does have the barefaced cheek to stand in the next election, and other Cork villages that were raped and pillaged by his cronies in the construction industry take note.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    He repeated his stance on Morning Ireland this am.

    He really should be kicked out for this blatant admission of partiality. He should represent everyone in his constituency - not just those who voted for him. Sounds like they have a more than reasonable case too.

    Of course the workings of the Irish political system will mean he will carry on with barely a slap on the wrist. Just not good enough


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    greendom wrote: »
    He should represent everyone in his constituency - not just those who voted for him.

    Sure.

    Now will someone ever ask Joe Higgins to do more for farmers, bankers and developers in Leinster? They are people too you know Joe!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Drakmord


    He's really awful. I'm from his constituency and he has done absolutely nothing for the local area. If he wants my vote he'll have to put in a local swimming pool into the town or perhaps some basic amenities.
    The only reason he's still here is because there are so many idiots in the area who will vote FF even if the sky was about to fall.
    Don't get me started on his stupid statements; a nuclear power plant outside Mitchelstown, or not helping constituents just because they won't vote for him. By my logic it should be the other way around. Help the constituents and earn votes that way.
    Sorry for the rant, I just think he epitomises everything wrong with Irish politics today!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Sure.

    Now will someone ever ask Joe Higgins to do more for farmers, bankers and developers in Leinster? They are people too you know Joe!

    well, while I get your point, the issue at hand is that a local community wants to get its school sorted.

    Its not an issue that is against FF policy or what they (should) represent. Should Ned not be doing his best now in order to gain their support in future.

    ...as oppossed to developers looking for rezoning visiting Joe Higgins or something:)


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  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Drakmord wrote: »
    If he wants my vote he'll have to put in a local swimming pool into the town or perhaps some basic amenities.

    :eek:

    That's putting it up to the politicians in your area!

    Want my vote? Gizza a swimming pool at a time when the country is broke!
    Riskymove wrote: »
    Should Ned not be doing his best now in order to gain their support in future.

    Of course he should. And of course his comments are stupid.

    But he is just articulating what we all know politicians do all the time up and down the country in every party. They are just more clever than Ned when it comes to shouting it from the rooftops...they don't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Drakmord


    :eek:

    That's putting it up to the politicians in your area!

    Want my vote? Gizza a swimming pool at a time when the country is broke!


    We should have got one years ago. He was an elected representative during to 10 or so years of the Celtic tiger! Our town has nothing because of these clowns.


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Drakmord wrote: »
    We should have got one years ago.

    You'll forgive me for being cynical about the need for swimming pools in towns around the country, even during the so called tiger years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭solice


    You'll forgive me for being cynical about the need for swimming pools in towns around the country, even during the so called tiger years.

    I know that you are referencing what was said but your attempt to focus the thread on the lack of a swimming pool is a cheap stunt. Have you ever driven through the town of Rathcormack? Have you seen the badly planned housing developments that line the road? Have you seen the state of the road as you drive through the town? Have you seen the amenities been built to support the population explosion? I am not talking about a swimming pool, I am talking about amenities that would support a community and allow it to grow and develop.

    There are still the same level of amenities in Rathcormack today as there was 10 years ago, a GAA pitch and ....... oh wait there is a toll bridge nearby! I forgot about that. Well done Ned, you did us all proud!!!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    While shocking, its only what the public deserve in some respect.
    A lot of us like too complacent muppets are letting others get away with this crap so what do we expect!

    We get the politicians we deserve for sitting on our collective arses and doing nothing to make a change!


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    solice wrote: »
    I know that you are referencing what was said but your attempt to focus the thread on the lack of a swimming pool is a cheap stunt.

    Well if you are not clear about my position read any of the other posts I have made on this thread rather than concentrating all your attack on one of them.

    The suggestion that I have focussed on the swimming pool in nonsense. I can only make my argument that in the real world, politicians only work for those who vote for them so many times, forgive me if one post didn't repeat that point for Nth time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭solice


    The suggestion that I have focussed on the swimming pool in nonsense. I can only make my argument that in the real world, politicians only work for those who vote for them so many times, forgive me if one post didn't repeat that point for Nth time

    And ill repeat what everyone else is saying the Nth+1 time, regardless of who votes for you, you are elected to represent all the people of a constituency!


  • Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    solice wrote: »
    And ill repeat what everyone else is saying the Nth+1 time, regardless of who votes for you, you are elected to represent all the people of a constituency!

    So again, what has Joe Higgins done for developers and bankers lately?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    So again, what has Joe Higgins done for developers and bankers lately?

    have they sought his assitance?

    like these local people did?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭solice


    So again, what has Joe Higgins done for developers and bankers lately?

    Give him a chance, he just got elected! How many years has Ned been in? But I accept your point.

    Can you please clarify - Do you agree with the sentiments expressed by Ned?


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