Whole Milk Vs. Skimmed Milk

mloc

Which do you prefer?

From a nutritional standpoint, skimmed has a bit more protein and sugar, but obviously less fat. How do you find either works given your fat loss/lean muscle gain goals?

tribulus

Personally I don't really like milk in general and the only times I used it was when I was just trying to stuff as many cals in as possible. Unsurprsingly at those times I wasn't hugely concerned with fat gain so flavour won over and I went with whole milk.

Right now as I'm leaning up and playing football I avoid it entirely except with cereal in the morning. Don't eat any other dairy products either at the moment.

all_smilz

i prefer anything but whole milk- skimmed, hi/low or low fat, i find the fat of whole milk makes me feel very phlegmy ( i tend to be a bit allergic of dairy).... cheese doesnt really have same effect however....

rubadub

mloc wrote: »

skimmed has a bit more protein and sugar, but obviously less fat.

Just a note on this, the milk is mainly protein, sugar (lactose) and fat. So when you take the fat out then the others will rise in % in accordance.

I do not think they add any additional sugars it just goes up in % naturally. They often do add in more proteins though to make it taste less watery, the protein will thicken it up. I remember drinking skimmed milk in the 80's and it was far more watery tasting than today.

If drinking just milk I like whole, on anything else I do not notice much difference.

callig

I don't know why but when I eat porridge made with whole milk it makes me feel queasy, but skimmed is fine.

Tar.Aldarion

Preferably neither. Whenever I have drank it it has been low fat or the fortified ones cos it sounded good. :pac:


As for taste, if I don't have a type of milk for a long time, it tastes horrible when you drink it again for the first time. I then become accustomed to the taste. It's like if you switch from whole to low, and think low is not as good. Drink low alone and it will taste the same to me.

joanbrent

choosing skim milk over whole or even 2% milk makes the most sense from a fat and calorie perspective.

dudara

I grew up on a farm drinking full-fat, unpasteurised milk. You'd have to shake or stir the milk to mix the cream back in before drinking it. When I started college and starting drinking regular pasteurised milk, I was amazed at how thin it tasted - don't get me started on skimmed milk

Long and short, it has to be full-fat for me. I don't drink a lot of milk these days (only in tea/coffee) so I don't give one hoot about calories and fat.

Beks

mloc wrote: »

Which do you prefer?

From a nutritional standpoint, skimmed has a bit more protein and sugar, but obviously less fat. How do you find either works given your fat loss/lean muscle gain goals?

Since giving up dairy in my diet I really find I'm not fond of either any more. It now makes me feel ill if I have too much. I use mainly rice milk or light soya milk. Also, after reading that we're the only species that uses milk from another species (i.e. it's WRONG!) and that milk is meant for BABIES, not grown adults and doesn't have as much nutritional value as we're led to believe... I've actually not ever wanted to drink it again

itsallaboutheL

Beks wrote: »

doesn't have as much nutritional value as we're led to believe...

Linky Link???

Beks

If I had my books with me I'd cite a lot of direct references, but I'm at work so I don't have them. Quick internet search:

http://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html

From what I remember one of my books made the good point that milk is only for people/animals when they are growing up. Why do you think calves stop sulking at a certain age and us humans don't need our mother's milk into adulthood? It is because you don't NEED milk beyond a certain age as your body has had all the nutrients it needs from it to grow and you don't need it any more as you can get calcium from so many other sources of food. Also, we are the only species of mammal that drinks the milk from another kind of animal... our stomachs weren't made to cope with that kind of milk (a cow has a different kind of stomach, would you believe) and can't digest it properly. Our stomachs were only made to take human milk. But you don't see bottled human milk in supermarkets, oh no, that would be too disgusting and what self respecting adult thinks he/she still needs to drink his or her mother's milk?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a self righteous vegan or anything, I'm just confused over the whole milk issue. The dairy industry does NOT tell us the truth about milk... and they PAY for most of the research that is done on it, so naturally they bias the results! I've stopped drinking it now - I used to drink it quite a bit and I often had very bad stomach cramps which I can now associate with it and realise why it was so bad for me.

the_syco

I drink whole milk, or low-fat milk for cereal. Low-fat at home, full-fat at work. Prefer full-fat: it's nicer. Also like drinking super-milk, but wouldn't really use it with cereal.

itsallaboutheL

Why do you think calves stop sulking at a certain age and us humans don't need our mother's milk into adulthood?

Because they are weaned off it by farmers.....

It is because you don't NEED milk beyond a certain age as your body has had all the nutrients it needs from it to grow and you don't need it any more as you can get calcium from so many other sources of food.

What do you magically stop burning calories at this age??

And if it's for calcium then why should we eat the other sources and give up milk??

Also, we are the only species of mammal that drinks the milk from another kind of animal...

We are the only species of mammal with the knowhow to extract the milk from another animal

our stomachs weren't made to cope with that kind of milk (a cow has a different kind of stomach, would you believe)

They have four compartments to their stomach, has nothing to do with digesting milk tho.

and can't digest it properly. Our stomachs were only made to take human milk. But you don't see bottled human milk in supermarkets, oh no, that would be too disgusting and what self respecting adult thinks he/she still needs to drink his or her mother's milk?

Have you a list of what our stomachs were "made" to digest properly and efficiently... i seem to have lost my users manual.

I've stopped drinking it now - I used to drink it quite a bit and I often had very bad stomach cramps which I can now associate with it and realise why it was so bad for me.

So you're lactose intolerant, fair enough[/quote]

metamorphosis

Beks wrote: »

If I had my books with me I'd cite a lot of direct references, but I'm at work so I don't have them. Quick internet search:

http://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html

From what I remember one of my books made the good point that milk is only for people/animals when they are growing up. Why do you think calves stop sulking at a certain age and us humans don't need our mother's milk into adulthood? It is because you don't NEED milk beyond a certain age as your body has had all the nutrients it needs from it to grow and you don't need it any more as you can get calcium from so many other sources of food. Also, we are the only species of mammal that drinks the milk from another kind of animal... our stomachs weren't made to cope with that kind of milk (a cow has a different kind of stomach, would you believe) and can't digest it properly. Our stomachs were only made to take human milk. But you don't see bottled human milk in supermarkets, oh no, that would be too disgusting and what self respecting adult thinks he/she still needs to drink his or her mother's milk?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a self righteous vegan or anything, I'm just confused over the whole milk issue. The dairy industry does NOT tell us the truth about milk... and they PAY for most of the research that is done on it, so naturally they bias the results! I've stopped drinking it now - I used to drink it quite a bit and I often had very bad stomach cramps which I can now associate with it and realise why it was so bad for me.

If you are having cramping when you drink milk then your body is unable to digest lactose , the primrary sugar in milk. You can get lactose free milk that tastes the same you know so you do not have to not drink milk

--Kaiser--

Beks wrote: »

Also, after reading that we're the only species that uses milk from another species (i.e. it's WRONG!)

Some questionable reasoning right there. We're also the only species that farm food too, that wrong also?

g_dog

Beks wrote: »

reading that we're the only species that uses milk from another species (i.e. it's WRONG!)

Not exactly true. When a bear eats a lactating ewe they will eat the udders first. Pretty disgusting but I would imagine this would be down to the milk. Also most of our digestion problems with milk are due to pasteurisation. Unpasteurised milk is nutritionally very close to human milk. There are health risks associated with drinking unpasteurised milk but this is generally down to bacteria in the environment in which the milk is produced rather than the milk itself.

SeekUp

the_syco wrote: »

I drink whole milk, or low-fat milk for cereal. Low-fat at home, full-fat at work. Prefer full-fat: it's nicer. Also like drinking super-milk, but wouldn't really use it with cereal.

What's super-milk?

the_syco

Beks wrote: »

I used to drink it quite a bit and I often had very bad stomach cramps which I can now associate with it and realise why it was so bad for me.

Some people cannot drink their own mothers milk. Does that mean it's bad and none of us should drink it?

[url=http://www.kidspot.com.au/Baby-Baby-feeding-Lactose-intolerance-in-babies+251+41+article.htm]kidspot.com.au[/url] wrote:

There is consistently 7% lactose in your breast milk, which cannot be altered regardless of dietary restrictions - reducing dairy from your diet will have no affect on the amount of lactose in your breast milk.

You see, you are born without any lactase enzymes, and so you have no ability to break down lactose. This is the cause of your problem.

SeekUp wrote: »

What's super-milk?

It has added stuff, me thinks. If you see the milk cartoons in the Supermarket, it's usually in a red cartoon.

Tar.Aldarion

It is the milk fortified with vitamins. Like the hi-lo milk, fortified low fat milk that I used to drink.

El_Dangeroso

I avoid dairy for the reasons that I seem to be casein intolerant.

I follow a paleo diet so don't consume anything that we haven't been eating for 40,000 years or more, this rules out dairy, legumes, grains and refined sugar.

There's a dearth of studies on the possible damage that casein (the most common protein in cows milk) can can cause to intestinal villi, and you can't overlook that casein allergy is one of the widespread allergies in the world.

Having said that, there are traditional populations untouched by the western diet that do well on dairy, the masai for example, they mix it with blood :P

But they consume in a much different way than we do. The milk is from 'unimproved' cows, that have a higher percentage of A2 casein. Western cows have higher amounts of A1, which is far more allergenic and damaging to the intestine along with being implicated in the development of type II diabetes. They also drink the milk raw with all the attendant digestive enzymes that are absent from homogenised and pasteurised milk.

Goats milk is naturally higher in A2 so can be a good substitute for people who find they have issues with normal cows milk, I unfortunately react badly to both.

The last thing I would do is buy soya milk, one of the most genetically modified frankenfoods, often with added sugar to make it palatable. It's 'healthy' image is a shining example of shrewd marketing triumphing over science.