Munster Hurling Final

tippguy

Just over a week to go till the munster final. should be a good one. I here the GAA have a big spread planned for liberty square on the day. it'll surley be a sell out. anyone here how ticket sales are going

Orizio

Tipp all the way I'd imagine. The only team who can beat Kilkenny.

aoa321

Orizio wrote: »

Tipp all the way I'd imagine. The only team who can beat Kilkenny.

I cannot understand why tipp are being put so far ahead of the chasing pack by the media when it comes to beating Kilkenny. I think they have a bit of a weak underbelly when the going gets really tough, I'm not saying that Cork, Waterford or Galway will or could beat the Cats but I think they are all as likely to as Tipperary are - just my tuppence worth !!

I think Waterford will beat them on Sunday week !!

AMixedBag

Tipp will beat waterford. Dunno how waterford would be able to even come within a foot length of kilkenny so im not sure why people are claiming that they would have just as much chance as tipp or galway?? Tipp arent unbeatable but dont think waterford will defeat them on this occasion.

waterford1988

Waterford in serious trouble with injuries! With a full team I would have tipped us to win by 2.

If tipp play like they did last day they will be beaten. its very worrying the way they decline in games and it has cost them for years

AMixedBag

waterford1988 wrote: »

Waterford in serious trouble with injuries! With a full team I would have tipped us to win by 2.

Injuries? Any word on what players?

dotsflan

AMixedBag wrote: »

Injuries? Any word on what players?

read in the paper that molumphy and browne are doubtful! they will be big losses.

Dubliner28

I would like to see Tipp when this and i think they'll just sneak it.
If they get ahead and Waterford come back at them it will be interesting to see how they go.

Tipp 1-21
Waterford 2-17

AMixedBag

dotsflan wrote: »

read in the paper that molumphy and browne are doubtful! they will be big losses.

Browne! Oh harsh blow. Do tipp have a full panel of players to choose from, do you know?

Dubliner28, Id say tipp will win like you say but i doubt that waterford will get 2 goals past brendan cummins. Id say that tipp will hit a goal or two inbetween the posts. I wont predict a score though because im preety brutal when it comes to predictions. :P

Mossyman

Tipperary have far more goal scoring opportunity with the likes of Lar Corbet and Kelly in the full forward line. They have showed good form so far in the league (with the exception of the final, but is no surprise with the quality of the Kilkenny team/panel) and were strong against Cork and Clare.

They have shown that they do lack the consistency in their performance for the full 70 minutes and if Waterford captialise on this on Sunday week then we may see new Munster champions.

Dubliner28

Eoin Kelly has been off the boil lately. Havent seen him have a good match since the Cork game last year.
Sure Sheedy even took him off v Clare. Thats rare enough

premierstone

Mossyman wrote: »

Tipperary have far more goal scoring opportunity with the likes of Lar Corbet and Kelly in the full forward line. They have showed good form so far in the league (with the exception of the final, but is no surprise with the quality of the Kilkenny team/panel) and were strong against Cork and Clare.

They have shown that they do lack the consistency in their performance for the full 70 minutes and if Waterford captialise on this on Sunday week then we may see new Munster champions.

The league final was far in away Tipps best performance this year.

deisedude

dotsflan wrote: »

read in the paper that molumphy and browne are doubtful! they will be big losses.

Ken McGrath and Gary Hurney are long term absentees. Noel Connors and Kevin Moran are likely to be ok for the match after minor injuries

Speckydodge

big test for Noel Conors, well at least we have Mullane on fire, and Dan is apparrently coming back to form??

AMixedBag

Speckydodge wrote: »

big test for Noel Conors, well at least we have Mullane on fire, and Dan is apparrently coming back to form??

Dan, me hole. His better days are behind him. He couldnt chase a chicken round a farm. Sure, ye have mullane... Why would you need dan??!

deisedude

AMixedBag wrote: »

Dan, me hole. His better days are behind him. He couldnt chase a chicken round a farm. Sure, ye have mullane... Why would you need dan??!

Well Dan will never replicate his 2007 form but he is showing signs of improvement. Against Limerick in the replay he looked short on confidence and hit one atrocious wide but after that instead of going for scores from then on in the game he laid off a world of ball to the other forwards and helped create a lot of scores. Dan is judged too harshly in my books, people shouldnt be expecting him to get goals every game. He is in his 30's now and has lost a yard of pace you cant be expecting miracles from him. DJ Carey in his last few years with Kilkenny was well past his peak but he didnt get half the abuse Dan seems to be getting now

AMixedBag

deisedude wrote: »

Well Dan will never replicate his 2007 form but he is showing signs of improvement. Against Limerick in the replay he looked short on confidence and hit one atrocious wide but after that instead of going for scores from then on in the game he laid off a world of ball to the other forwards and helped create a lot of scores. Dan is judged too harshly in my books, people shouldnt be expecting him to get goals every game. He is in his 30's now and has lost a yard of pace you cant be expecting miracles from him. DJ Carey in his last few years with Kilkenny was well past his peak but he didnt get half the abuse Dan seems to be getting now

i am not expecting dan to keep getting goals at all. I just think that he isnt that much of a hurler as he used to be. Bit slow and if he isnt getting scores then he aint much of a forward, is he? Yea, i know hes passing on the ball, creating sum chance but i doubt he is gaining any momentum. Retirement next year, maybe? Not meaning any of what I said harshly, just saying what I see.

deisedude

AMixedBag wrote: »

i am not expecting dan to keep getting goals at all. I just think that he isnt that much of a hurler as he used to be. Bit slow and if he isnt getting scores then he aint much of a forward, is he? Yea, i know hes passing on the ball, creating sum chance but i doubt he is gaining any momentum. Retirement next year, maybe? Not meaning any of what I said harshly, just saying what I see.

Fair enough. I meant people, Waterford fans in particular are expecting too much from him. Ideally i would have liked Dan to be used as an impact sub this year but given the injuries we now have he will definately be starting against Tipp. If he could still get a point or two from play and aslong as he wins ball and creates chances for other forwards i'd be reasonably happy. Our halforwards havent been winning a lot of ball in the air of late, hopefully Dan can rectify that. As for retirement, judging from the way Dan talks in interviews you'd get the impression he is sick of hurling. I wouldnt be surprised if this is his last season

AMixedBag

deisedude wrote: »

Fair enough. I meant people, Waterford fans in particular are expecting too much from him. Ideally i would have liked Dan to be used as an impact sub this year but given the injuries we now have he will definately be starting against Tipp. If he could still get a point or two from play and aslong as he wins ball and creates chances for other forwards i'd be reasonably happy. Our halforwards havent been winning a lot of ball in the air of late, hopefully Dan can rectify that. As for retirement, judging from the way Dan talks in interviews you'd get the impression he is sick of hurling. I wouldnt be surprised if this is his last season

ah sure, he has a family so retiring would be an option at his age. You wouldnt blame him if he did retire as Waterford dont look like winning any AI's while dans playing as Kilkenny are just taking over the championship. If he can get on the scoreboard, it could boost his confidence. Lets just hope that his confidence wont rise too high, going for chances that he would put wide (such as da one in the limerick match)

KevIRL

With our injuries I unfortunately just cant see past Tipp.

Hurney and Ken McGrath definitely gone. Molumphy and Tony Browne looking doubtful. Even at full compliment for Waterford, Tipp would be favourites rightly, but there wouldnt be much in it, with the injuries above the balance is solidly in favour of Tipp.

Should be a great day Waterford and Tipp contesting both Senior and Minor (first time in 60 yrs this has happened for Waterford) and also the special celebrations put on by the Munster Council for the 125th Anniversary. I'll be in India on saturday but have arranged that I can fly home for the game, cant't wait

Carrickbhoy

If Tipp stop brick wash sendin ball into mullane then Tipp will win, i expect Tipp to come out with all guns blazing for this one after last years All Ireland Semi final defeat. As for the Minor game Tipp will beat Waterford by a cricket score

Cake Man

It's great that we're back into a Munster Final but unfortunately the occasion seems to be ruined by injuries. Even with a full squad, we'd be going in as underdogs. I think if we can limit Tipps forwards space and ball and match their workrate and intensity, we will have a chance. However, I just can't see us outscoring Tipp and I will be going into the game more in hope then expectation. I wouldn't write us off tho....

AMixedBag

Also last night on the sunday game, fitzy didnt look all that confident. Maybe its all an act.
Fitzys a ledge though and he'll have waterford ready. He doesnt tolerate siht if anyone hasnt noticed.

Carrickbhoy

Cake Man wrote: »

It's great that we're back into a Munster Final but unfortunately the occasion seems to be ruined by injuries. Even with a full squad, we'd be going in as underdogs. I think if we can limit Tipps forwards space and ball and match their workrate and intensity, we will have a chance. However, I just can't see us outscoring Tipp and I will be going into the game more in hope then expectation. I wouldn't write us off tho....

Any word on mulumphy or is it just mind games from davy i was talkin to my family from waterford ( my oul lad is from waterford) and they said he will start

Orizio

KevIRL wrote: »

With our injuries I unfortunately just cant see past Tipp.

Hurney and Ken McGrath definitely gone. Molumphy and Tony Browne looking doubtful. Even at full compliment for Waterford, Tipp would be favourites rightly, but there wouldnt be much in it, with the injuries above the balance is solidly in favour of Tipp.

Should be a great day Waterford and Tipp contesting both Senior and Minor (first time in 60 yrs this has happened for Waterford) and also the special celebrations put on by the Munster Council for the 125th Anniversary. I'll be in India on saturday but have arranged that I can fly home for the game, cant't wait

Tipp minors are very strong - watch John O'Dwyer, yet another young Tipp star.

LeoB

Orizio wrote: »

The only team who can beat Kilkenny.

I think the Liam McCarthy cup has just a good a chance ending up in Cork as it has in Tipp. Cant understand all the hype with Tipp. Cork comiong along nicely and I think Kilkenny could be beaten in their next game.

Orizio

LeoB wrote: »

I think the Liam McCarthy cup has just a good a chance ending up in Cork as it has in Tipp. Cant understand all the hype with Tipp. Cork comiong along nicely and I think Kilkenny could be beaten in their next game.

You can't win an All-Ireland with one scoring forward. Tipp have at least four, and a vastly superior underage system.

Also Kilkenny will not be beaten for years. They are playing 'badly' right now and yet beat Dublin and Galway at a canter.

LeoB

Orizio wrote: »

You can't win an All-Ireland with one scoring forward. Tipp have at least four, and a vastly superior underage system.

Also Kilkenny will not be beaten for years. They are playing 'badly' right now and yet beat Dublin and Galway at a canter.

I think Kilkenny could be caught on the hop if thats possible and as we know anything is possible.

I think Denis Walsh is in a good position. I also think he has not shown his full hand yet and depending on the draw they get he might not need to show it the next day either. Cork are better than a lot of people will give them credit for. Its a little consistancy they might lack but if they click they will match anyone even Kilkenny. Think they need to move O'Neill out the pitch and despite what people say about Naughten his pace will be vital given the right space and ball.

overmantle

There are 4 or 5 teams that, on a good day, could pull off a surprise on All Ireland Final Day.

AMixedBag

Kilkenny are only in second gear at the moment (and they still beat teams). Wait until they play in croker. I have a feeling that they will anihalate any team they meet there.

premierstone

AMixedBag wrote: »

Kilkenny are only in second gear at the moment (and they still beat teams). Wait until they play in croker. I have a feeling that they will anihalate any team they meet there.

Pretty sure the Leinster Final was in Croke Park and they werent destroying anyone :rolleyes: anyway this thread has gone seriously off topic what have KK got to do with the Munster Final.

So back on topic, well of course as a Tipp man I feel Tipp will win, I've seen enough in the first 45 minutes against Cork and the first 25 min against Clare to suggest that when they ''click'' they can destroy any team and if they have any period like that in the Munster Final they will have a field day against what is arguably the weakest FB line of the top teams.

However, and theres always a however with Tipp, there are a lot of things to suggest that Waterford could well win this, firstly Cork and Clare both had periods of supreme dominance against Tipp but didnt have enough scoring forwards to translate it to the scoreboard and if Mullane, Kelly, Shanahan and co. are on form they can run up a huge score especially on a fine day in Thurles in a Munster Final. Also another worry has to be Tipps woeful recent record against Waterford. And finally my biggest concern is that Tipp have raced out of the blocks the last two days and built up a nice lead but then wilted, what happens if Waterford get the good start, is there enough character in the Tipp team to respond??

All in all I think Tipp do hold the advantage overall and should have enough but I wont be rushin to back them as odds on favourites thats for sure. Im looking forward to hopefully Noel McGrath marking Noel Connors I reckon thats a battle we could see quite alot of in the next few years, the two Noels are extremely talented, but I really feel that Noel McGrath is going to be that little bit special and become one of the legends of the game.

AMixedBag

premierstone wrote: »

Pretty sure the Leinster Final was in Croke Park and they werent destroying anyone :rolleyes: anyway this thread has gone seriously off topic what have KK got to do with the Munster Final.

So back on topic, well of course as a Tipp man I feel Tipp will win, I've seen enough in the first 45 minutes against Cork and the first 25 min against Clare to suggest that when they ''click'' they can destroy any team and if they have any period like that in the Munster Final they will have a field day against what is arguably the weakest FB line of the top teams.

However, and theres always a however with Tipp, there are a lot of things to suggest that Waterford could well win this, firstly Cork and Clare both had periods of supreme dominance against Tipp but didnt have enough scoring forwards to translate it to the scoreboard and if Mullane, Kelly, Shanahan and co. are on form they can run up a huge score especially on a fine day in Thurles in a Munster Final. Also another worry has to be Tipps woeful recent record against Waterford. And finally my biggest concern is that Tipp have raced out of the blocks the last two days and built up a nice lead but then wilted, what happens if Waterford get the good start, is there enough character in the Tipp team to respond??

All in all I think Tipp do hold the advantage overall and should have enough but I wont be rushin to back them as odds on favourites thats for sure. Im looking forward to hopefully Noel McGrath marking Noel Connors I reckon thats a battle we could see quite alot of in the next few years, the two Noels are extremely talented, but I really feel that Noel McGrath is going to be that little bit special and become one of the legends of the game.

sorry i didnt specify that i was talking about the knock-out rounds in croker. :P
if tipp can get a good start, stick with mullane and make sure that shane mcgrath, eoin kelly and Conor o mahoney are back in top form, i could possibly see a one-sided match. But thats a big ask.

premierstone

AMixedBag wrote: »

sorry i didnt specify that i was talking about the knock-out rounds in croker. :P
if tipp can get a good start, stick with mullane and make sure that shane mcgrath, eoin kelly and Conor o mahoney are back in top form, i could possibly see a one-sided match. But thats a big ask.

Well I think that Eoin Kelly's injury problems are far greater than we've been lead to believe and even at this stage I think god forgive me for saying this he's lucky to be on the team :eek: As for the other two they have both had th emumps in recent times and as with Cha fitzpatrick with KK it is obviously something that can take a while to get over, there cause wasnt helped by the fact that after the Cork game they majority of the Tipp squad were laid low from an e-coli infection picked up from contaminated water and while most seem to be over it perhaps their earlier illness made them more vunrable, the week after it happened Shane McGrath was so ill he had to play in goals for he's club and O'Mahoney didnt line out at all a few others were under the weather but seemed to have recovered fully now, but I do think it definitely contributed to the last 20 minute collapse against Clare.

AMixedBag

premierstone wrote: »

Well I think that Eoin Kelly's injury problems are far greater than we've been lead to believe and even at this stage I think god forgive me for saying this he's lucky to be on the team :eek: As for the other two they have both had th emumps in recent times and as with Cha fitzpatrick with KK it is obviously something that can take a while to get over, there cause wasnt helped by the fact that after the Cork game they majority of the Tipp squad were laid low from an e-coli infection picked up from contaminated water and while most seem to be over it perhaps their earlier illness made them more vunrable, the week after it happened Shane McGrath was so ill he had to play in goals for he's club and O'Mahoney didnt line out at all a few others were under the weather but seemed to have recovered fully now, but I do think it definitely contributed to the last 20 minute collapse against Clare.

It may have been a factor and I agree with the comment on kelly being lucky to be on the team at the moment. I think he was rushed back to the team abit too fast to be honest. As for the other 2, we will just have to see sunday. If noel mcgrath can pull off the performance that he had against clare, tipp are in with a strong chance. Waterford have injuries and i dont think they have a strong enough sub bench to deal with the losses. So thats why im favouring tipp. Although i still have my doubts about some tipp lads.

hawkwing

Eoin Kelly has been lucky to be on the team for the last 3 years to be honest which is sad to say.Babs was not too far wrong dropping him and Tipps best game v Cork in 2007 was without him.At this stage Paul Curran's brother or Bubbles Dwyer from the minors would be better options (at least they have pace and score from play--which Eoin is barely doing at club level now).Hopefully he will get back to form but i doubt it and not this year by the looks of things.Paul Kelly,Pa Bourke or even the Webster would have more impact i feel.(hope i am wrong of course as on his day he was up there with anyone)

premierstone

AMixedBag wrote: »

It may have been a factor and I agree with the comment on kelly being lucky to be on the team at the moment. I think he was rushed back to the team abit too fast to be honest. As for the other 2, we will just have to see sunday. If noel mcgrath can pull off the performance that he had against clare, tipp are in with a strong chance. Waterford have injuries and i dont think they have a strong enough sub bench to deal with the losses. So thats why im favouring tipp. Although i still have my doubts about some tipp lads.

What ever about been rushed back I actually fear that Eoin's better days are behind him, he has taken an incredible amount of punishemnt down through the years and even if they get the back sorted I think the legs are gone, he was never exactly a speed merchant but he had a little burst and a knack of been in front just as the ball would arrive but even this seems to be gone now, personally I feel if they are going to persist with him (and fcuk it lets be honest he deserves it) then he should be moved into FF where hes lack of speed wouldnt be as big an issue and he has always been very good in the air for a small man, I quite like the idea of a small FF tbh I think it throws alot of Full Backs, one that springs to mind was Eugene o'Neill, ok very inconsitent and never fullfilled he's potentail but when on song like in the '97 AI, when he was probably the only FF to destroy Lohan when Lohan was in he's prime, he was immense.

AMixedBag

premierstone wrote: »

What ever about been rushed back I actually fear that Eoin's better days are behind him, he has taken an incredible amount of punishemnt down through the years and even if they get the back sorted I think the legs are gone, he was never exactly a speed merchant but he had a little burst and a knack of been in front just as the ball would arrive but even this seems to be gone now, personally I feel if they are going to persist with him (and fcuk it lets be honest he deserves it) then he should be moved into FF where hes lack of speed wouldnt be as big an issue and he has always been very good in the air for a small man, I quite like the idea of a small FF tbh I think it throws alot of Full Backs, one that springs to mind was Eugene o'Neill, ok very inconsitent and never fullfilled he's potentail but when on song like in the '97 AI, when he was probably the only FF to destroy Lohan when Lohan was in he's prime, he was immense.

what age is kelly? He was on the '01 team so late twenties? It just shows how much he has given over the years to the tipp team and I agree with you, he does deserve a place. Whether he starts on sunday is questionable. He should be given some game time at least but Im not sure if starting him would be a good idea. Pa bourke would be a nice one to put in instead of kelly alright. Sure, unless any of ye know sheedy or the daughter, I dont think there is much we can change. Hopefully, he comes on boards and checks out the opinions. :P

premierstone

AMixedBag wrote: »

what age is kelly? He was on the '01 team so late twenties? It just shows how much he has given over the years to the tipp team and I agree with you, he does deserve a place. Whether he starts on sunday is questionable. He should be given some game time at least but Im not sure if starting him would be a good idea. Pa bourke would be a nice one to put in instead of kelly alright. Sure, unless any of ye know sheedy or the daughter, I dont think there is much we can change. Hopefully, he comes on boards and checks out the opinions. :P

Kelly is actually only 27 which is really amazing when you consider he's been carrying Tipp hurling for almost a decade, he was the original minor prodigy

In relation to Pa Bourke, Im afraid Pa will never make it at this level, they guy has more skill than I've ever seen in a hurler but without been too harsh he wouldnt win a 50/50 ball in an u-8 match and he's temperment/bottle is questionable too, he looked last year for the u-21's to have improved in this area but hasnt stepped up for either he's club or Tipp in the league since.

Other options include Willie Ryan, again a skillfull hurler who has a very good knack of been in the right place at the right time but shys away from physical contact and I wouldnt like to be relying on him. Then theres Webster and tbh he's a one trick pony and it aint a trick that overly fcukin impresses me either, more natural hurling ability in a sod of turf tbh. Paul Kelly has made a few cameo appearances since he's return to th epanel but its hard to know whether he retains any of hes ability at all. Daragh Egan has all the ability and skill but is too slow and not mobile enough for this level.

So all in all I think Sheedy has very little options but to persist with Eoin and hope heregains he's fitness - still not a bad passenger to have and actually in the Cork match he showed well early on, most likely would have had a goal but for the referee inexplicably calling play back, and against Clare I felt he was somewhat unlucky not to have won a penalty.

AMixedBag

Webster, I find him just confusing altogether. Has a good game once in a blue moon, he does. Other then that, *meh*. Id say pa could win a 50/50 ball in an u8 match alright just has problems adjusting to the big boy game. But sure give him some inter-county match time alot and he may improve. You have to take risks in hurling and id advise sheedy to start pa on sunday if i could as one of those risks. Call me crazy if you want but if it doesnt work out, kelly could be used as an impact sub on the day.

premierstone

AMixedBag wrote: »

Webster, I find him just confusing altogether. Has a good game once in a blue moon, he does. Other then that, *meh*. Id say pa could win a 50/50 ball in an u8 match alright just has problems adjusting to the big boy game. But sure give him some inter-county match time alot and he may improve. You have to take risks in hurling and id advise sheedy to start pa on sunday if i could as one of those risks. Call me crazy if you want but if it doesnt work out, kelly could be used as an impact sub on the day.

I know you have to take risks at times but throwing him into a Munster Final might not be the best idea in the world, barring injury I'd be pretty sure we'll line out as we started the last day, but you never know with Sheedy I mean he took off Kerwick in the semi when having the game of he's life for no apparent reason even though at least 3 of he's forward colleagues had gone missing and it was a decision that very nearly cost us the game, but in fairness to Sheedy he like the team itself are quite new to all this and are learning all the time, I think thats why he really wants Eoin there kind of as a mentor for the younger players.

tonc76

premierstone wrote: »

Well I think that Eoin Kelly's injury problems are far greater than we've been lead to believe and even at this stage I think god forgive me for saying this he's lucky to be on the team :eek: As for the other two they have both had th emumps in recent times and as with Cha fitzpatrick with KK it is obviously something that can take a while to get over, there cause wasnt helped by the fact that after the Cork game they majority of the Tipp squad were laid low from an e-coli infection picked up from contaminated water and while most seem to be over it perhaps their earlier illness made them more vunrable, the week after it happened Shane McGrath was so ill he had to play in goals for he's club and O'Mahoney didnt line out at all a few others were under the weather but seemed to have recovered fully now, but I do think it definitely contributed to the last 20 minute collapse against Clare.

While I don't doubt the any of the above how do you account for Tipps demise against Cork in the first round? Had Cork not went for the glory points from 90 yards out they could have won that game

premierstone

tonc76 wrote: »

While I don't doubt the any of the above how do you account for Tipps demise against Cork in the first round? Had Cork not went for the glory points from 90 yards out they could have won that game

I agree with you i think if Cork had have had a bit more shape and cutting edge they would have won, I would put it down to two things really, firstly Cork havent become a bad team overnight and they are still real contenders so to beat them for the 3rd time in a row in any manner was no mean feat, and secondly if you recall that day the heat was unbearable and there was no-way a team could have continued their dominance for 70 minutes as it happened Tipp got the first run and Cork finished the better but Tipp were more clinical during their period of dominance, I think the extremely high intense running style of Hurling Tipp are playing they inevitably will hit a flat spot in most matches its whether they can maximise their dominance and then ride out the storm when the opposition come back at them.

AMixedBag

tonc76 wrote: »

While I don't doubt the any of the above how do you account for Tipps demise against Cork in the first round? Had Cork not went for the glory points from 90 yards out they could have won that game

Well did Cork go for those points? No, unfortunatly. This is a thing that separates a team like tipp from cork. Tipp are no strangers when it comes to playing munster finals. They demolished a clare team that seemed to be flying it last year. And if some players can get their act together and take advantage of waterfords injuries, I dont see how they cant do it again.

I know im going off topic but does anyone know if the phase 2 qualifiers are being telivised?

tonc76

AMixedBag wrote: »

Well did Cork go for those points? No, unfortunatly. This is a thing that separates a team like tipp from cork. Tipp are no strangers when it comes to playing munster finals. They demolished a clare team that seemed to be flying it last year. And if some players can get their act together and take advantage of waterfords injuries, I dont see how they cant do it again.

I know im going off topic but does anyone know if the phase 2 qualifiers are being telivised?

I think if you watch that match again you'll see that Cork were going for the glory points from 90 with 15-20 minutes left when there was absolutely no need to.

There is no doubt that Tipp are the fancied side this Sunday but they have started well in both championship games this year and then tailed away. If Waterford can get a good start we'll see what Tipp are made of. As a Waterfordman I listened to Tipp fans for weeks leading up to last years AI semi and that it was a mere training match for Tipp. Waterford put them to the sword last August and I'll not be too surprised if Waterford come out on top this Sunday. I'm not sure of the injury worries but I don't see Ken McGrath missing as a huge factor. Brick is playing well at CB and McGrath was lost at CF for the first game against Limerick. I am worried that our midfield is a bit too light for this level. Mullane & Prendergast are in great form but Kelly, McGrath, Shanahan & A.N. Other will have to step up to the plate if we have any chance of winning.

AMixedBag

tonc76 wrote: »

I think if you watch that match again you'll see that Cork were going for the glory points from 90 with 15-20 minutes left when there was absolutely no need to.

There is no doubt that Tipp are the fancied side this Sunday but they have started well in both championship games this year and then tailed away. If Waterford can get a good start we'll see what Tipp are made of. As a Waterfordman I listened to Tipp fans for weeks leading up to last years AI semi and that it was a mere training match for Tipp. Waterford put them to the sword last August and I'll not be too surprised if Waterford come out on top this Sunday. I'm not sure of the injury worries but I don't see Ken McGrath missing as a huge factor. Brick is playing well at CB and McGrath was lost at CF for the first game against Limerick. I am worried that our midfield is a bit too light for this level. Mullane & Prendergast are in great form but Kelly, McGrath, Shanahan & A.N. Other will have to step up to the plate if we have any chance of winning.

Dont mean anything harsh to the limerick fans but ken mcgrath may have not been a huge loss during that game but against tipp, any good player lost is a loss imo. Tell those tipp supporters to go shove their heads up their hole. What do they have that they can boast about in the last couple of years? 1 NHL and a munster. Nothing amazing considering league is just a testing ground for new players and the likes. I still do think that tipp will win it but it doesnt mean that waterford cant challenge them. When the starting team for each team is out, then we will have a better picture of how the match could go.

nkay1985

As a Waterford man I'd obviously love to see us win another Munster btu I'm just not too sure it'll happen. If Mollumphy and Brown are out on top of Hurney and McGrath, I think it's too much to ask. Losing four starting players is enormous and while Hurney might not be the biggest loss, the three others are amongst our top performers. Not sure about the Ken in the forwards experiment but the team will still be weaker without him.

Tipp have their injuries too though. Was at a 30th with a load of Tipp friends the other week and they said that Eoin Kelly and Shane McGrath aren't right at all.

If Mollumphy and Brown are ok to play, it'll be a very close game. In that case, I could see either team winning by two points. Without them, I think Tipp will win by about five or six. We'll probably match them on points but will lose out on goals.

Hoping I'm wrong though

nkay1985

News about Molumphy from RTE

Not looking good unfortunately. He'll be a massive loss to us. Incredible energy and well able to knock over the odd point too.

premierstone

nkay1985 wrote: »

Tipp have their injuries too though. Was at a 30th with a load of Tipp friends the other week and they said that Eoin Kelly and Shane McGrath aren't right at all.

You can add Conor O'Mahoney to that and off course Shane Maher

nkay1985

premierstone wrote: »

You can add Conor O'Mahoney to that and off course Shane Maher

Oh yeah they mentioned O'Mahony alright. What's up with Shane Maher?

premierstone

nkay1985 wrote: »

Oh yeah they mentioned O'Mahony alright. What's up with Shane Maher?

Maher has broken down three or four times with he's hamstring at this stage both Liam Sheedy and Tony Considine (he's club manager) have both made bad calls imo and tried to rush him back a few times only for it to re-occur, he should never have played in the league final ten days after tearing he's hamstring no matter how slight a tear it was and he is paying the price for it now and then considine plays him FF for he's club and he does it twice more.