Tory MEP claims Mandelson trying to keep David Cameron at bay until Lisbon ratified

the_dark_side

European Commissioners are obsessed with the need to keep David Cameron at bay until the Lisbon Treaty is ratified

Some extracts from an article by Daniel Hanan of the Telegraph:

"Lord Mandelson is destroying Labour for the sake of the EU. He is determined to prop up Gordon Brown until after the Irish referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, whatever the cost to his party. See how they operate, these Euro-zealots. They are like Richard Dawkins's selfish genes, not caring what happens to their host organisms once they have served their purpose."

"the Conservative leader has promised a referendum on Lisbon – and, unlike the other two party leaders, he means it. He has even instructed his lawyers to draw up the Bill in advance, so that he could introduce it on his first day in office. Eurocrats are understandably determined to keep the Tory leader out until after the second Irish referendum in October. (There is a universal, if somewhat insulting, assumption in Brussels that the Irish will roll over this time.) Mandelson is their agent, their man in Westminster.

He may be a Minister of the Crown these days, but his heart is plainly in his last job. He likes to boast of his proximity to EU leaders, and recently floated the idea that Britain might join the euro. If keeping Lisbon on track means condemning his grandfather's party, he will do the necessary. "

*Impoartant Point:
Since Peter Mandelson is (or will be) in receipt of an EU pension and that EU pensions are paid on the understanding that the EU can remove this pension, if in the view of the Commission or the Luxembourg Court, the recipient "fail(s) to uphold the interests of the European Communities", does that affect Peter Mandelson's loyalty to the interests of the UK?

PopeBuckfastXVI

Interesting that the article title mentions the 'obsession' of 'european commissioners' and then doesn't go on to even mention or quote a single sitting commissioner, let alone commissioners plural.

Why this actually seems to be an article about internal UK politics dressed up as a Brussels v Blighty piece in order to cast Labour in a devious light when compared against virtuous Cameron.

Still, I expect no less from the Torygraph, I do, however, expect more of contributors to this forum.

the_dark_side

The Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson 'team' who ratified Lisbon last year without a referrendum (after promising one to the people of England), appear singularly focused on the job, publicly, but... in true Peter Mandelson style.....

Mandelson's leaked emails where he describes Brown as 'angry and insecure' follows disclosures in The Sunday Times that Mandelson “dripped pure poison” about Brown into the ear of a senior Conservative just weeks before he was recalled to the cabinet last October.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6446325.ece

the_dark_side

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Interesting that the article title mentions the 'obsession' of 'european commissioners' and then doesn't go on to even mention or quote a single sitting commissioner, let alone commissioners plural.

Why this actually seems to be an article about internal UK politics dressed up as a Brussels v Blighty piece in order to cast Labour in a devious light when compared against virtuous Cameron.

Still, I expect no less from the Torygraph, I do, however, expect more of contributors to this forum.

Pardon me your worship, I hadnt realised that we are subject to your lofty standards when we post our opinions to this forum

Scofflaw

the_dark_side wrote: »

Pardon me your worship, I hadnt realised that we are subject to your lofty standards when we post our opinions to this forum

Er, he's quite correct, though. Mandelson isn't a Commissioner, he's a Labour spin doctor. Of course, "Labour spin doctor tries to keep Cameron at bay" doesn't make much of a title, for obvious reasons...

amused,
Scofflaw

PopeBuckfastXVI

the_dark_side wrote: »

The Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson 'team' who ratified Lisbon last year without a referrendum (after promising one to the people of England), appear singularly focused on the job, publicly, but... in true Peter Mandelson style.....

Mandelson's leaked emails where he describes Brown as 'angry and insecure' follows disclosures in The Sunday Times that Mandelson “dripped pure poison” about Brown into the ear of a senior Conservative just weeks before he was recalled to the cabinet last October.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6446325.ece

And your point is?

Or are you just randomly posting newspaper articles?

Can I play?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2506255/Bear-breaks-into-house-for-chocolate.html

A SWEET-TOOTHED bear knew exactly what it wanted when it broke into a house in search of food – chocolate.

It's funny because the bear eats chocolate...

gizmo555

the_dark_side wrote: »

Some extracts from an article by Daniel Hanan of the Telegraph:

Even though I agree with some of the points in this piece, it also worth pointing out, as you will see if you scroll to the end of it, that Daniel Hannan is not "of the Telegraph" - he is a Tory MEP. Not very surprising, therefore, that he's saying nice things about Cameron and nasty ones about Mandelson . . . .

turgon

the_dark_side wrote: »

The Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson 'team' who ratified Lisbon last year without a referrendum (after promising one to the people of England)

Asfaik they promised a vote on the constitution, not Lisbon.

the_dark_side

Scofflaw wrote: »

Er, he's quite correct, though. Mandelson isn't a Commissioner, he's a Labour spin doctor. Of course, "Labour spin doctor tries to keep Cameron at bay" doesn't make much of a title, for obvious reasons...

amused,
Scofflaw

Yes, I know that Mandelson is not a commissioner, but his role as a spin doctor is vital to the existence of the present labour government.. he did manage keep Brown in office at a crucial time

Scofflaw

the_dark_side wrote: »

Yes, I know that Mandelson is not a commissioner, but his role as a spin doctor is vital to the existence of the present labour government.. he did manage keep Brown in office at a crucial time

Well, yes, exactly...what has the European Commission to do with it?

cordially,
Scofflaw

gizmo555

turgon wrote: »

Asfaik they promised a vote on the constitution, not Lisbon.

According to this opinion piece in yesterday's Sunday Times by William Rees-Mogg (who, unlike Danial Hanan, is a senior and highly respected British journalist) they did, and a desire to prevent a UK referendum on Lisbon is the major reason preventing an early general election there:

These problems all arise from Mr Brown's refusal to hold the British referendum that Labour promised; they make the timing of the British general election and the Irish referendum crucial to the ratification of the treaty. To complete the Lisbon process, the Irish referendum needs to be held as early as possible and a British general election as late as possible. If the Irish referendum and the British general election were both held in early October, there would not be time to complete the ratification of Lisbon before Britain had the opportunity to hold a referendum.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/william_rees_mogg/article6549491.ece

Scofflaw

Well, in the absence of any actual involvement by the European Commission in this, I've edited the thread title. This isn't ConservativeHome, after all.

moderately,
Scofflaw

the_dark_side

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

And your point is?

Or are you just randomly posting newspaper articles?

Can I play?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2506255/Bear-breaks-into-house-for-chocolate.html



It's funny because the bear eats chocolate...

The Sun newspaper and Buckfast, maybe your standards arent as lofty as I had originally thought...

My point is this, the impending second vote on Lisbon, is having a significant bearing on the politics of England... Gordon Brown decides when to call the next general election. And of course he doesnt intend to until after the Irish 2nd referendum, as Cameron is spearheading the next Tory campaign with an anti-Lisbon agenda.

Brown remaining in power until the Irish (expectedly) vote yes to Lisbon, is key to Lisbon being passed.

The re-emergence of Peter Mandelson as a key aid to Gordon Brown has created much suspicion, and particularly when we see Mandelsons true sentiments towards Brown (his so called political ally) in the leaked emails, does not inspire much confidence in the pro Lisbon camp in England

The lads having the craic http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/MoLsdK4ajep/Cabinet+Meeting+Held+During+Gordon+Brown+Trip/-SGwSv_3lkw/Peter+Mandelson