burning barmans calories

Package

hey all

im just interested, i work in a bar/restaurant and im interested to see how many calories, roughly would i burn in a shift.

im a hard worker and there is a lot of running up and down stairs to get food, id say, in an average shift, that im actually on the go, for about 5 - 5:30 hours.

if anyone could give me a ballpark figure that would be great

thanks

ragg

Dude, if you are trying to lose weight, you should take it that you burn zero cals working.

Package

how can you burn zero calories running around working? silly statement?

yanav

I think he means, that if you're serious about losing weight, you shouldn't rely on what you get done during work cause you probably don't lose a huge amount. And if you rely on it as your exercise, then you probably won't do any more.

But maybe you're not trying to lose weight? Maybe just interested to know?
Id be interested too.

I'm someone who sits at a desk all day at work. But I do plenty of exercise outside of work so I stay fit

ragg

for weightloss its not a silly statement.
you obv burn cals - but the nature of the job (I have done it myself) means that it wont add anything to your fitness.
Trying to count thoese cals just seems like a someone looking for an excuse to add more food to a diet and\or looking to avoid doing actual exercise

ntlbell

ragg wrote: »

for weightloss its not a silly statement.
you obv burn cals - but the nature of the job (I have done it myself) means that it wont add anything to your fitness.
Trying to count thoese cals just seems like a someone looking for an excuse to add more food to a diet and\or looking to avoid doing actual exercise

It should be taken into consideration

if your someone like me who sits on a chair for 8 hours and only move my fingers I will overall need a lot less calories than someone who has a very physical job lifting/moving etc

OP I have seen some guidelines on line do a search in google

pebbles21

Get a DS and get the game Walk With Me ,it comes with a little sensor that you stick in your pocket and at the end of the day it will tell you how much you have walked ,rested and what were your busiest periods moving during the shift ,afaik it doesnt give you calories burned but you could work it out with the other information

ragg

ntlbell wrote: »

It should be taken into consideration

if your someone like me who sits on a chair for 8 hours and only move my fingers I will overall need a lot less calories than someone who has a very physical job lifting/moving etc

OP I have seen some guidelines on line do a search in google

Like I said, assuming the op is trying to lose weight, taking it into consideration will only distract people from the real issues good diet, enough exercise. Like I said its a bit of a cop out, IMO.

The same can't be said for office monkeys like us though, I believe we need to be conscious that we sit on our arses all day.

Like I said, its not really a equal point of view, but i think its a fair one

ntlbell

ragg wrote: »

Like I said, assuming the op is trying to lose weight, taking it into consideration will only distract people from the real issues good diet, enough exercise. Like I said its a bit of a cop out, IMO.

The same can't be said for office monkeys like us though, I believe we need to be conscious that we sit on our arses all day.

Like I said, its not really a equal point of view, but i think its a fair one

it's not a cop out it helps you work out what your daily cal intake should be and what % of that intake you require to cut out to start losing weight

ragg

Do you really believe that?
I couldn't agree less if im honest. having worked in bars throughout uni, i only once came out of it wrecked & that was on New years eve.

Its good that the job is active, but when working out cals I don't see a point in including them.

ntlbell

ragg wrote: »

Do you really believe that?
I couldn't agree less if im honest. having worked in bars throughout uni, i only once came out of it wrecked & that was on New years eve.

Its good that the job is active, but when working out cals I don't see a point in including them.

christ.

it has nothing to do with his actual job.

but as we have all ready cleared up that someone on their feet lifting and generally moving all day requires more calories or will burn more than someone not

so in order for him to try and calculate his daily required intake he should factor it in

when he has done that. he can now slash the required by X% which will cause him to loose weight.

I would n't put it down as exercise done just used to calculate the req cal amount.

you don't have to end up wrecked by burn cal's

in fact if your ending up wrecked after training of any sort your probably over doing it.

ragg

no offense, but I don't want to debate you anymore.
I think you are taking out of your arse, not least when you actually typed this out

in fact if your ending up wrecked after training of any sort your probably over doing it.

Overtraining doesn't work like that.

I'm going to ignore you from now on - just so you know

googlehead

ragg wrote: »

Do you really believe that?
I couldn't agree less if im honest. having worked in bars throughout uni, i only once came out of it wrecked & that was on New years eve.

Its good that the job is active, but when working out cals I don't see a point in including them.

I am pretty fit I have lost 20 pounds in the last 2.5 months. I was not really that much over weight, but you have to take a physical job into consideration.
I have only started back working again in the last few weeks. The work requires some lifting up and down ladders, moving around, I am able to cycle 200+ miles a week, but since I started back at work, the training is not as easy, before as I am doing a form of exercise during the day the same as the OP. I was injured recently and out for 3 weeks but because of the work I do I still continued to lose weight. It's ok for someone working in an office to say that, the OP job requires hard work I have done it. So I totally believe he is right in his post as I have proven I have lost weight with my work and not training.

OP I think your work counts. Add some training in, post your diet get it cleaned up and you will start loosing weight.

googlehead

ragg wrote: »

no offense, but I don't want to debate you anymore.
I think you are taking out of your arse, not least when you actually typed this out



Overtraining doesn't work like that.

I'm going to ignore you from now on - just so you know

I'll debate with you. I think you are talking out off your arse. I have lost weight with an active job and no training. Strange eh!:rolleyes:

ragg

googlehead - i don't know the work you do. But I have done this kind of work. I know what its like.

To my mind, even asking this question, is the equivilet of asking can I have a pack of rolos if i walk to work.

My point as I said, for someone trying to lose weight (assuming that was the point of the post) its counter productive to include it.

yanav

ragg wrote: »

Like I said, assuming the op is trying to lose weight, taking it into consideration will only distract people from the real issues good diet, enough exercise. Like I said its a bit of a cop out, IMO.

Yeah, I agree with you there. It's definitely something alot of ppl use as a cop out. But it's still something I'd be interested in knowing- I'm not trying to lose weight- I'm happy with my weight at the moment, and do vigorous exercise 4/5 times a week.

Is OP just inquisitive or is s/he trying to lose weight?

rugbyman

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"I'm going to ignore you from now on - just so you know"

strange attitude to have in a discussion forum

regards,Rugbyman

p.s. i wonder how one knows one is being ignored ?

yanav

I'm with ragg. Alot of people spend their time trying to "Balance their Calorie Books" rather than doing anything actually productive.

And I really don't think that being wrecked after a workout is a bad thing. It's a really really good thing. Ok, the fitter you get the less easily you get wrecked, but pushing yourself a little further everyone once in a while is what makes exercise really enjoyable and keeps you motivated.

If you're just trying to constantly take the easy road, you'll never learn the true value of exercise- which isn't the result but the process IMO

googlehead

ragg wrote: »

googlehead - i don't know the work you do. But I have done this kind of work. I know what its like.

To my mind, even asking this question, is the equivilet of asking can I have a pack of rolos if i walk to work.

My point as I said, for someone trying to lose weight (assuming that was the point of the post) its counter productive to include it.

well I have done bar work/hotel work aswell. and if I was training I would consider it. how is it a cop out he did not say he was going to sit on his arse
he only asked a question about bar work and weight lose. it's all calories burned.

If I was to do bar work again compared to an office job and do the training I do now I know I would need to eat more to make up the lost calories in order not to lose weight.

Try a training schedule and add in a day or 5-6 hours off active work eat the same diet. and see how you feel around 9-10 at night.

you'll be hungry as I know I was and I needed to eat more.

ragg

rugbyman -I have been on these type of forums for a while.
I really enjoy them and I learn a lot - it has been said in 2 threads by this guy that i was talking ****e, with nothing but trite arguments to back them up.
Maybe it was a ****ty comment to make to him, but whats done is done.

ragg

googlehead wrote: »

well I have done bar work/hotel work aswell. and if I was training I would consider it. how is it a cop out he did not say he was going to sit on his arse
he only asked a question about bar work and weight lose. it's all calories burned.

If I was to do bar work again compared to an office job and do the training I do now I know I would need to eat more to make up the lost calories in order not to lose weight.

Try a training schedule and add in a day or 5-6 hours off active work eat the same diet. and see how you feel around 9-10 at night.

you'll be hungry as I know I was and I needed to eat more.

While I agree with you, that it does burn more calories.
i don't think that to lose weight its the mentality to have.
If its working for you, cool!! you obviously have the technique dow and working. for someone starting off, i wouldn't even factor it in. Not by a long chalk

--amadeus--

There is a world of difference between having an active lifestyle and exercising. Walking to an office job or doing a physical job is great from a health POV but it won't get you fit.

RacoonQueen

I'm on my feet all day in work, doing physical work and bounding up and down stairs etc all day, I've condsidered wearing my heart rate monitor in and setting my watch just to get a rough estimate via my heart rate. I'll wait till my next rotation when I'm on a busier ward though to make it look better.:D

LightningBolt

The OP said nothing about trying to gt fit in his original point so whatever you're all trying to prove is doing no good. If it's a job where you're constantly moving on the go for 5 hours or so I'd say you could use anywhere between 300-600 calories, probably even more if it's a hectic shift. Basic enough guideline is for every mile or so that you walk you'll burn between 120-160 calories. We'd an old staff member use one of those step counters and in one 5hr shift it was said he walked 10k. I'm skeptical of that although the place has rapid table turnover and if you're in the section furthest away from the kitchen/bar it would be possible I guess.

Package

Well guys thanks for all the reply, ok, let's clear some stuff up. I work out for about 2 hours, 4 days per week in the gym, as well as working 5 days per week in the bar.

So I'm not tryin to put my work into my training schedule, just tryin to figure out the calories. I have a good diet also and don't eat any ****e.

If by burning more calories than your intake, in effect losing weight,? Then I think that having a hectic job with more calorie burning promise has to be taken into account

Ie. Food - 2000 kal
Training - 1200 calorie burn
Job - 800 calorie burn

Without the job I'd fall short

floggg

Ok, how long have you been in that job?

If you are only starting, sure, it might help to factor it in for maintenace calories, but i wouldn't get too hung up on it.

If you have been doing it a while now, and still have fat to lose, it means that you were either putting on fat, or at least maintainig your current level for the last while doing the job, whatevere the number of cals you have burned are, it hasn't really helped, has it. Either fix your diet and/or up the training.

Either way, don't get too hung up on numbers. Eat healthy and train and you will lose fat. It ain't quatum physics!

rubadub

Package wrote: »

Ie. Food - 2000 kal
Training - 1200 calorie burn
Job - 800 calorie burn

Without the job I'd fall short

All calculations are estimates anyway. You have to do it empirically at the end of the day. i.e. if you are aiming to lose 1lb per week and are not doing so you obviously have to eat less or more. If you find yourself hungry all the time or lacking energy you are probably not eating enough.

I was saying before that I would like some part-time job at weekends to be paid for exercising, and paid for the work I do. e.g. bricky labourers might be paid per brick they move, the stronger and faster you work the more cash you get. Rather than the usual per hour payment which results in 5 lads standing around watching another dig a hole. I know a lad who used to work shifting around kegs for guinness, and would lift in a way to benefit strength training.

d'Oracle

I worked in bars for a few years.

I can safely say that the period I put on the most weight, was while working in bars. Some of these days I would work celler in the morning and go into busy nights.

Put simply, if it is active, it is not sustained to any intensity. You will not loose weight through working in a bar IMO.

However the last time I lost big weight I was working in a bar....
I was however in the gym doing weights and cardio during the daytime before I went in.

Edit: Looks like a dumb post now.....

Package

haha, yeah oricle,, it does look dumb, lol...

ive been in the job years .

ok, lets clear up something else, im not fat and dont NEED to lose weight, im tryin to minimise body fat if ya know what i mean,, lower the level.

i think it HAS to be taken into account. if its all about calories, and if you lose an estimate, 500 or so calories per shift, then why would it not be taken into account in your calorie watching day.

im NOT trying to add it into my daily allowance of say, ok, ill use 500 up later, i can eat this chocolate bar.. just wondering like

celestial

Package wrote: »

haha, yeah oricle,, it does look dumb, lol...

ive been in the job years .

ok, lets clear up something else, im not fat and dont NEED to lose weight, im tryin to minimise body fat if ya know what i mean,, lower the level.

i think it HAS to be taken into account. if its all about calories, and if you lose an estimate, 500 or so calories per shift, then why would it not be taken into account in your calorie watching day.

im NOT trying to add it into my daily allowance of say, ok, ill use 500 up later, i can eat this chocolate bar.. just wondering like

It basically doesn't mean squat that you work in a bar. If it did then your average overweight guy who didn't work out and who worked in a bar would be noticeably less overweight than your average overweight guy who didn't work in a bar and didn't work out!

Hopefully you've only read the above paragraph no more than a half-dozen times. Essentially what I am saying is that the work you do in a bar will have very little effect on fat levels. It will a bit - probably more so than someone who works in an office, but all else being equal, not to any extent that is significant really.

Package

celestial wrote: »

If it did then your average overweight guy who didn't work out and who worked in a bar would be noticeably less overweight than your average overweight guy who didn't work in a bar and didn't work out!

6 times and still have no clue :0

jesus lads. come the frick on, im not tryin to make my work have an affect on my weight. all i wanna know is how many calories roughly i burn.. holy crap

d'Oracle

You could wear a pedometer in work.
But you would probably need it to measure the rates too.

And that wouldn't take into account the calories burned changing kegs/ lifting stock......

Basically, its virtually impossible to estimate how much calories an average man of you age/height/weight would burn in an average night in an average bar.

Unless you want to engage in some scientific study.

floggg

Package wrote: »

celestial wrote: »

If it did then your average overweight guy who didn't work out and who worked in a bar would be noticeably less overweight than your average overweight guy who didn't work in a bar and didn't work out!

6 times and still have no clue :0

jesus lads. come the frick on, im not tryin to make my work have an affect on my weight. all i wanna know is how many calories roughly i burn.. holy crap

Approx 12 - 2678, depends on whether you are a lazy **** who sits on a stool watching the GGs or if you are one of those minxy lounge girls, who busts her ass every night for tips while caryying 3 trays and 45 drinks in each hand.

How long is a piece of string?

Roper

All of this could be estimated off a heart rate monitor if you wore it over the course of a day.

BossArky

There are many online calculators such as this one where you can get an estimation for various activities.

Check out "standing" and "mopping" on that link. There are probably entries for walking and stair climbing as well. Tot up the totals and see what the calorie burn comes to.

Often the perk of working in a bar or restaurant is a free meal --> burger, chips, etc. You may be putting on more calories than you are burning if you are eating and drinking from the kitchen/tap over the course of the shift.

Package

Roper wrote: »

All of this could be estimated off a heart rate monitor if you wore it over the course of a day.

that would have been good today at 4:55 when i was driving around finglas/glasnevin looking for the new KO gym, lol..

ill buy a pedometer/moniter and let ya all know the outcome :0

ps. im somewhere in between a lazy bolox who watches the ggs and a minxy lounge girl, :D:D

Package

havnt got the monitor yet but i did make an average weeks eating log if any of you could give me any tips to tweak my diet.

an yes. i know eating at 2:10am is not great. somethimes, due to my work hours, thats all i can do..

any help welcome, thanks



Wednesday 24/6/09

9:30 - two chicken fillets on brown bread (pan fried in 1 tablespoon of oil)

10:30 - 1 banana sandwich on white bread

3:00 - 200 grams of tinned wild pink salmon

9:15 - ten ounce sirloin steak with mash and pepper sauce and veg

Thursday 25/6/09

8:30 - 2 hard boiled eggs on brown sliced pan

10:30 - scrambled eggs on toast (2 slices of white)

2:30 - beef dinner + veg

10:30 - 100 grams of tinned salmon

11.00 - duck fillet on a wrap

Friday 26/6/09

11:00 - 2 boiled eggs on white bread

4:30 - 2 grilled chicken fillets

8 pm - 1 chocolate sweet (Cadburys rose)

2:10 - mixed meat omelette (pork, beef, chicken, prawn, peppers and onion = 20 chips)

Saturday 27/06/09

11:30 - 1 chicken fillet on brown bread

2:15 - smoked salmon on 2 slices of high fibre brown bread
1 toffee pop, 1 orange

8:15 - two cheese strings

9:00 - small caeser salad (no dressing)

9:40 - veg soup and brown bread

1:50 - meat omelette and chips



Sunday 28/06/09

12:30 - boiled egg on brown bread

1:30 - chicken fillet on brown bread

4:30 - smoked salmon on brown bread X2

9:30 - Salad plate (ham, chicken, cold pasta, peppers, onions and lettuce)



Monday 29/06/09

11:30 - bowl of rice crispies

1:30 - two boiled eggs on brown bread

3:30 - two waffles, ham and peas

9:00 - breaded plaice and veg

1:00 - toasted brown scone

Tuesday 30/06/09

12:00 - two weetabix
one banana

5:30 - salad sandwich on white

7:40 - spaghetti Bolognese

10:00 - burger 
3 chicken pieces

Wednesday 01/07/09

11:00 - omelette (3 eggs)

12:00 - one banana
one kiwi

5:30 - four breaded chicken strips
1 sausage, 4 crab claws

9:00 - beef dinner and veg

Package

any help with this lads?

mockler007

stop eating stakes, and drinken wkd and maybe you might get rid of your moobs

mockler007

you eat more than me yeh tub, hahahahaha

mockler007

steaks

mloc

mockler007 wrote: »

steaks

I think you can hold on to the steaks, they aren't the biggest problem there. Cut the carbs back if you want to lose weight.

beegirl

Package wrote: »

Ie. Food - 2000 kal
Training - 1200 calorie burn
Job - 800 calorie burn

Without the job I'd fall short

You don't have to burn off ALL the calories you eat y'know!!! Anyway, try http://www.caloriesperhour.com they have all those kind of estimates...

I know that when I did that kind of work I was dead skinny and it never even occurred to me to exercise or watch what I ate Those were the days... Then I hit 21, got a more sedentary job/lifestyle and quit smoking all in the same year and that was the end of the skinny me Well at least the skinny me that required no effort anyway...